mayakovsky’s team in 1929, amazingly, mayakovsky’s team, which organized his last exhibition, let us remember that the last exhibition was called 20 years of work, it worked literally a few weeks before mayakovsky’s suicide in 1930 in early april, in 1929 it was all alive , and it was alive in the late fifties, it was a gay park in moscow, such a park, they not only read poetry, there were conversations going on, which was my first name day there, that i heard politicians. and so on, it was absolutely freely, then it was all covered up, but it was a year or even more, i remember bukovsky, there we argued with him in this square, i didn’t know what he would become, that there were many, many people there, it was also such a phenomenon it’s amazing, i ’ve never gone on a single personal date in my life with such excitement as on mayakovsky square, my debut was there before my debut, that is, it was as if there was already recognition, although my first publication was in the spring.

look, this is okay, okay, but it comes out in the fall, one day of ivan denisovich comes out in eleventh issue in november in the new world, yes in the new world, my first selection is published in october, by the way, it’s also interesting, it was like october, new world two, let us remind you that these are two magazines, one conventionally progressive, the other conventional conservative, alexander tvordovsky and kochitov, yes, being naive and not knowing this confrontation at all, in the spring i took the poems to...

non-traditional, which is usually, of course, you remember that in the middle of our every episode, our podcast there is an author's section, and the presenter is there or reading a poem, comments, or shows an old book, and today i’m giving it to a guest, because my guest is igor volgin, who is reading himself, but more on that later, now i’ll just pick up some books, well, here’s yevtushenko’s book the promise, for example , here is yevtushenko’s book of tenderness, it is very important that i have. a foreign book, a great success, this is also important, remember what happened a little earlier with dr. zhivvaga, when the book was transferred abroad, what, well, even a tragedy, yes we remember, the nobel prize, here is the book of andrei voznesensky, my love

a diary, also published abroad, there is such a selection of, well, erotic poems, but most have been published, that is, there are no barriers, but i remember when my first book of poems came out. it was called excitement, i was wildly indignant, because it was called night cities, in the young guard it came out in 1965, i saw when it came out excitement was written off, they just took night cities, what excitement, well, i i’ll tell you another thing, we said the role, which means literature, sixty-second year, i’m 20 years old, it comes out in january sixty-three, i’m 20 years old, not 20 years old, yes, by the way, yes, the first issue of the new newspaper literature and life, literature is coming out.

65 years old, here is a small book of parabola, a book of mandeshtam is just as small, voznesensk, take the circulation, take the first book from me, the first book was 10,000 copies, the second book was 20,000 copies, now everything is instant, but here there is a gigantic circulation, i think too some look, this is a book that is a triangular pear, but we see by layout, how lovingly it was made, yes, yes, medvedev did, in my opinion, medvedev in a soviet writer is an artist, yes...

i love my country, on saturday first, the snow is still white in the fields, and in the spring the waters are noisy, running and waking up the sleepy breg, they run, shine and say, carry in all directions, spring is coming, spring is coming, we are the young messengers of spring, she sent us ahead, what, where, when, spring series of games, on sunday on the first, so, podcast, let them

not say , let them read, we are talking with the poet igor volgin. still, igor, you know, of course, these are my reasonings, i the seventies, this is no longer one of the oldest, of course, well, under the forest of the seventies, so i heard a lot later, but such views are quite skeptical now, well, we all know them, yes, that is, not everyone went for with this appeal,

he says, and you know, they arrested him there or the trial is going on now in st. petersburg is wonderful, brodsky, yes, and brodsky, whom he later accused of treating him badly there, so he says, we must, we must release him , i need to write a letter and...

the uniform of his older brother, he was on leave, he was in the military, he was wearing a jacket, my

hands were sticking out of it, this jacket was too big for me, i walked around in this jacket in the cold, i saw such a dry, ruddy, mustachioed, retired man it was 20, and then he read parasitic poems, which were like prose, i was a political worker for 3 years and then, this is a parasitic poet, his debut was also in the late fifties, strange lines were a political worker, but... can you imagine, yes, what , what a mood, the work is difficult work, we worked it this way, that is it would seem that such prose, such prose, and such poetry arose from this, well, that is , it is such a crucible, a melting pot, yes, where all kinds of people, cosmonauts, poets, translators, outcasts, officialdom, everything is fused, well, khrushchev himself style of behavior, with changing moods, then he publishes, allows solzhenitsyn to be published, then he destroys the exhibition. yes, well, he was a man of great mood, well, it’s probably also worth saying about the leningrad path

, the leningrad note, we really mentioned dmitry bobushev, anatoly naiman, evgeniy rein and brodsky, these are akhmatov’s orphans, but there were other poets, there was alexander kushner, for example, wonderful, god bless him, who also made his debut during these years, i performed with him, i remember in 1967 . in st. petersburg, well, in leningrad then, and it was a great honor for me to perform together with kushner, because he is an amazing poet, this is a special leningrad school of attention to detail, this is like acmeism after acmeism, remember what acmeism is, he even told me to wear a garter today she will perfume, moreover, it’s interesting that he even mentioned names that were almost forbidden at that time, he had poems by kushner, like a chicken, a polish teacher goes with boys with jews, goes to the gas chamber, and there he had this stanza: where was your beloved god, or what he thinks berdyaev, he is

the weakest scoundrel, weaker for the cloudy house, berdyaev, on this verse it is. and well, it’s time from general discussions to finally move on to the poet igor volgin, i would like igor volgin to read poetry from his early days , or maybe from his early days.

and who read wonderfully, better than me, i read tushenko a lot, he liked them very much, here is the following epigraph: per, the former city of molotov, now per again from the encyclopedia, and there is a mention of the gudok newspaper here, my father was a war correspondent for the gudok newspaper, during the war, so here i mention this newspaper . i was born in the city of perm, i don’t remember perm, damn it, the railway hospital, the obstetrics department. i still dream of it, without leaving oblivion, a war year, naked, frank, looking at life and death point-blank, implying a frank sentence pronounced on the name. enemy stands from the volga to the english channel, and the road is long for my father, which will console my mother, a debutant, a military corsair, with a crust of gutka, and the evacuation

is abandoned, the ural, belly up with tanks, i am premature, a mockery to the germans. damn them , i am a nameless light, overshadowed by a mortal blizzard, not particularly desired in general, but kept by a secret hand, in a city where everything is unfamiliar to me, where the hotel, named after the people's commissar, is packed with ballet dancers, like an anti-tank cocktail, on the edge life untouched, i survive with other children, i am a muscovite conceived under bombs, and born in the city of perm, where i sleep blissfully, one of the judges of that country, who did not surrender in battle, whose fronts from all their guns play me battle tales, well, these are the poems associated with a lot of things, and with a lot of everything, and from the early ones, that means poems, well, these are also, by the way, related to the war, everyone thought that the war with hitler would last not years, but a week, sitting at the darkened window with hope

, they looked into the loudspeakers, as if levetan could announce that he had amassed troops. along our side we carried out a furious ramming and broke through the vistula was on the door, and that the fascists’ hours were numbered, the proletarians in the rur rebelled, but we had already left the ramps to kharkov and retreated fighting, and my mother, pregnant with me, not expecting help from europe, dug steep, full-profile trenches near moscow on weekends. well, these are the poems, well, here’s another story, the fact is that i had... an incident in my life, i was riding a bicycle along the minsk highway, i was hit by a car, i was severe, there were all sorts of injuries, here are the poems related to this physical and moral shock: you persecuted, destroyer my dear, you didn’t even slow down, immediately the heavenly light dimmed, the evening light shone through, i took off without visible marks, among

the gasoline fumes, already virtually immortal, still practically healthy. and an angel in a crimson cloud was already bending over me, there on the highway beyond odintsovo, at the turn into another world, i left you without sadness, in unconsciousness, not remembering evil, but they held my weak soul, father and mother by two wings, they clung , as best they could, without understanding what was why, and thus the soul stayed in the body, nothing more, it seems, even if without looking back, she went there, then the trace of this death grip would never be erased from her . even what was published in october, in my youth, in the new world, i would not refuse a single line, they are sincere, i don’t know, there are good or bad, but i wrote them as i felt then. podcast, let them not

talk, let them read, i’m dmitry bak, my guest today is a wonderful poet, my friend, igor volgin. then a completely different era came, it was this era that led to the fact that you know something different about volgin, after. happened, well, it’s hard to explain, because maybe i felt at some point that i could express myself more fully,

realize myself like i don’t know, like a person, like i don’t know like someone, well, it’s strange, because about no one of the poets, i’m not the one who stopped writing, but i haven’t written for almost 30 years, this is important, but i’ll tell you, poetry doesn’t forgive betrayals even with dostoevsky, in general, it doesn’t forgive betrayals, but the fact is that for me... i wanted to write a phd thesis on the diary of a writer in the vast world literature about dostoevsky at all. there was not a single work about the writer’s diary, this is a unique phenomenon, then, of course, what is the life of a writer, it is scripted, at the end the secret thought of the script is triggered, because if you take the deaths of... tolstoy, dostoevsky, pushkin, there is an iron law , it is difficult to imagine their ending to others, so death attracted me very much last year, i

began to write a book last year, which stalled for many years, but it was published only in the eighty-sixth year only because dmitry sergeevich likhachev wrote the preface to it, wrote a preface, onatanya delman wrote a very good review, it came out with great difficulty in a soviet writer, it was my first big one. a book about dostoevsky, well then followed by books about the procession of the petrosevtsevs, well, here out of five books, giving a plot, childhood, about youth, the last year i was born in russia, by the way, i had, if you take the name of the books, they are quotes, to be born in russia, he guessed me, the devil guessed me, will be born in russia, with money and talent, said pushkin, or let’s say, i call it the missing conspiracy, dostoevsky, when he read the western book, he said, the whole conspiracy has disappeared. now a seven-volume book is coming out, six volumes have already been published, five of them are dedicated to dostoevsky, this volume that i showed is poetry about poetry, and there should be another volume, i hope, catherine’s canal. you

have been present in a different capacity all these years, well, in the arena, so to speak, yes, you haven’t published poems, i don’t know if you’ve written either, tell me about that, but there’s the luch studio, 55, i think we’re 55 years old, yes, we are the oldest literary studio in the world, i hope i it seems that he was no older.

in recent years, we have been with him all our lives, in general, we have somehow been so friendly, and in recent years we have gotten along very well, well, he generally performed my poems better, better than me, friends, this man’s poems were read by evgeny yevtushenko for a minute , yes, these are the things and of course the poems caused some kind of well, as they say... public outcry, i received a lot of reviews, books appeared, and now i am still, as they say, and it is unknown, because this is may stop at any time, we don’t know when distilleries there were notices on him as he sat down, i don’t remember by heart, and he was drawing a poet, drawing devils in the margins, suddenly nothing, suddenly this is the last thing, no one knows anything about him, well , maybe nabokov has a novel the gift, where gadunov cherdyn reads his poems and

feels it too. his father had not gotten up for 3 years, his relatives, as usual, faded away, and his mother, dragging herself like a feller, was changing his diapers with effort, they were 90. three wars, god had mercy, sitting on bunks, a trip to the crimea, fire from the country, the delirium of perestroika, dacha in cotoires, and the mother spun this thread for so long, only in order not to get involved with the bitch, in order to bury her father herself, but it turned out that she was called first, leaving for that unspeakable land, where there are no benefits, no time, no rules, she whispered, lenya, catch up, and my father didn’t

make me wait. “they left in 2002, and i live, and nothing like that, and the world didn’t collapse, and thunder didn’t strike, they just called vostryakov with a peg, here’s a poem, and i want more in memory of yevtushenko, the poems that i wrote were 40 days from the day of his death, snow fell in moscow, it was in the month of may, i’ll read two more, one and another, we, of course, are not to blame for this, it’s just in may on a certain date, exactly on your forties.” the capital was covered in snow, like fleeing angels, illegally visited by a guest. from the stush, the flakes swirled over the graveyard to receive one more of the souls. the blessed ones will enter heaven, the archangels will sound the all-clear, only the white snows are still falling, as you said, forever closing your eyelids, over the country there is no knowing, the snow is falling late. , like the first, purest snow, well

the last thing i want to read is the recent one: the whole point of the poems is that i’m a late father, i still have a daughter, well, now she’s just turned 6 years old, she was born when i was already in this, we love zhenya, i know, yes, zhenya, so this poem is dedicated to her, it was recently published in the new world, my daughter, she sometimes cries, sometimes she laughs, it worked out, sometimes it didn’t work out, it’s sad, you and i will have to live with the future again, let my grave be overgrown with the past , but also... i burned incense, i will know that you have not forgiven me for giving birth to you so late, i i leave your questions unanswered, knowing at the same time that i am not destined to read my beloved poets to you, but perhaps, as if for fun, i feel your palm in my fist, i will have time to take you to a compulsory school, i will have only one retribution left, on the other shore to pray , so that you can at least get into... gu, and in

the morning, son of lulls, don’t chase my shadow, it’s just a pity that i can’t see my long-awaited grandchildren like my ears, but by the way, do what you need to do , listen, honor your father, daughter my last joy, life without end. well, these are the poems. this, i think, is a very important poem, leading up to our conversation today, because we are talking here about the connection of times, about how everything strangely comes together. i am very glad that igor volgin was our guest today. igor, thank you very much. and i am sure that we will meet more than once, including here in our podcast, for you. dear interlocutors, as always, i speak with emphasis, with emphasis, with passion, consider it with pleasure, dear friends,

hello, this is a podcast deception of substances, with you olesya nosova, editor-in-chief of komsomol. that’s why we talk so much about obesity, because we can’t cope with it, the number of people is increasing, i

read here in komsomol pravda, not on the vos website yet, that we have a billion obese people, not yet so long ago, two or three weeks ago, at lectures on obesity, i said there are more than 700 million people with obesity, that’s a billion, and this despite the fact that there are more and more ways to combat obesity, and yes, there are entire governments they are taking great measures, doctors, scientists, there is a huge amount of information propaganda in the media in a good sense, and they provide opportunities to independently balance their diet, increase physical activity, and at the same time , the number of people with obesity is progressively increasing, unfortunately, among children, previously, we knew for sure that the children's... part is the most slender part, people, well, they are active, they eat only when they want, like mothers don't try, yes, yes, it was like that, now many children are overweight obesity, and that's it

a big problem, because the earlier obesity begins, the more difficult it will be in adult life, and it will be more difficult to cope with it, but we have data that clearly demonstrates how the number is progressively increasing. people with obesity, and the most interesting thing is that not many years have passed, let’s say, from the year seventy-five to 2014, and in less than half a century the number of people among women among men increased two or three times, and pay attention, in the year seventy-five obese men are practically not it was, one might say, yes, yes, it is, there is such an interesting picture floating around on the internet, a beach, a lot of people, people on the beach naked in swimsuits, and it says find the gender

for the twenty-fifth year, the forecast, i will say that it has already come true in the twenty-fourth year, according to the boss, men in our country will be 33% obese, this is in our country or in the world, in ours in russia, in our country, in the world, there are general data, but the data varies greatly by country, here for example, north american, and american in general, south america, there much more people, unfortunately. and overweight than is acceptable in southeast asia, that is - i don’t know, vietnam, laos, japan, in this regard, people are more structured, less overweight than africa or america. we

are not in first place on this list, thank god, but there are such interesting statistics for post-soviet countries, and there we differ: women are in second place after one of the baltic countries, and men are in sixth. in last place, in my opinion, i don’t remember, among women among men is tajikistan, but one may get the impression that the more... obese people are taller, this is this, this is because of

what, this is not because women, well, in principle, walk more, but because there are also hormonal characteristics, we have more estrogens, and estrogens inherently contribute more to the accumulation of adipose tissue, although it all depends on age, on the initial state, of course on genetic factors, but with all this, if you pay attention to a woman of reproductive age ... figure guitar, yes then it is just a woman with such good hips, with good mammary glands, that is , the subcutaneous fat layer predominates over the visceral one, over the one in the abdomen, or on the abdomen, and this is a healthier condition, therefore a woman of reproductive age with a certain excess of adipose tissue mainly in the subcutaneous layer, this is a healthy woman who is reproductive, nature is very puzzled by the fact that... everything was fine with her, because the most important thing for nature is reproduction. zukhra, you

said that there will be men in the thirtieth year 30%, unfortunately, 33% are submitted like this. what is their dynamic? unfortunately, it’s the same, there will be more of them, because there are already about that many of them now. and we have dynamics, i also really like this information on our districts, we won’t present it here, it’s quite difficult to figure it out, but the point is that in our different federal districts it’s very different... you can’t go skiing or you can’t walk there at -30 or -20, well, frankly speaking, you’re

practically in hibernation in front of the tv, yes practically, that’s why this is also one of factors that need to be taken into account, there are interesting scientific observations that people who began to engage in sports intensively, well, as i understand it, these are those people who have never exercised before, after some time, and maybe even very quickly they stop doing household chores very intensively, at least on the same day, because they... apparently latently believe that since i tensed up in the gym, then at home, if i wash the floor there, i will already fulfill my quota physical activity and so on, that’s what scientists did an interesting conclusion is that it turns out that this is absolutely not true, you can’t replace household chores with physical activity, i agree, if the question arises that you need to lose weight, then it means you need to add, not replace.

because you need to warm up, well, it’s cold, this is not the most important thing, but this also has its place, you and i talked about timosha, by the way, patients sometimes come and say: i’m timosha, timosha’s pallas’s cat, let me remind you that in the fall, timosha’s pallas’s cat gained, went to fatten up, he gained twice as much weight in order to it’s like it’s normal to spend the winter, but by the way, now timosha has lost weight, lost weight, and yes, he spent everything he saved up over the winter, and he’s ready for the thing. and in the summer they dump,

they dump very actively, and often this is associated with dachas, with vegetable gardens, but this is bad in general or acceptable, it’s almost such a natural move, unless it’s plus or minus 2-3 kg, when it comes to some big races, this is of course bad, there is nothing good about it. and i often noted earlier in the clinic that in the summer almost patients with second-degree diabetes like they just disappear, they almost never exist, they prescribed more medications for themselves in advance. to go to the dacha in the summer, and it’s not just that they were far from the clinic, they were much less worried about the problems with sugar there, because at this dacha there is constant activity, there’s no time for sugar, and sugar doesn’t bother them, he knows that the person is busy, he is active, everything is fine with weight gain, and accordingly

everything is fine with sugars, if all other recommendations are followed, it would be good to say here, probably, when we talk about obesity, here i would very much like to say... i would like to say about what in general is the main mechanism for the accumulation of adipose tissue, if we take it quite literally, simply, then remembering our great compatriot lomanosov, who, together with the word of asia, discovered the law of conservation of mass, how much comes, there is so much left, well , in a simple way, then obesity is just about this, if a person eats 2.0 calories, spends only together with physical... for the operation of the mechanism 1,500, then 500 kilocalories will not go anywhere, they will be stored in adipose tissue, this is how our physiology works, because a person did not always have the opportunity to have a sufficient amount of food, well , by the way, yes zukhra, here i would like to emphasize, let’s still call it

some kind of favorable factor, in fact it is this is cool, this is great, this is what saves us, this is what our body always saves, yes this is it. this must be taken into account, it will be very difficult to retrain him, because there is no need, lord, cold winter, well, now the climate seems to be warmer, yes, yes, again climate change, but despite all this , we still have real frosts, and i would really like there to be a balance, that is, this is how much we spend, this is how much we should consume, and what is happening here, firstly, food has become everything is very accessible, even in my childhood. a little differently, now it is absolutely everywhere, not just at home at your table, but just at every step, it changes a little in its balance, more fat, more simple carbohydrates, all this refined stuff, to unfortunately

, such a phenomenon as sarcopine is actively spreading in our country. sarcopine is when muscle tissue is replaced by fatty tissue and a person is a little bit like that. figurative, he seems to be well-built, but he does not have a sufficient amount of muscle mass, and this is, well , practically the basis of our health, well -functioning and sufficient in volume, not only fat, but also muscle, first of all, probably, muscle tissue, although we also need to emphasize when there is little adipose tissue, it is not enough, it is in short supply, problems there will be no less, about the same amount, they will be a little different, but it will also be a rather sick organism. with a lot of high all sorts of unfavorable risks, just like when a person has a lot of adipose tissue, so the balance has changed, the regulations have changed, now very often people eat at night and late in the evening, because they go to bed in the morning, but this factor makes its own changes, and we are all hypodynamic, we

are sitting here, we are going up in the elevator, we are driving in a car, we are in a horizontal position in front of tv when we go to bed, activity has greatly decreased, even something as simple as walking. so, despite the fact that such a basic mechanism is associated with a greater influx of energy resources than consumption, there are a lot of features, we have such a classification, we will not go into its subtleties, it is quite professionally complex, but so that it was clear to everyone that there are two big divisions, primary, elemental. so-called obesity or exogenous-constitutional, it’s more complicated, therefore primary nutritional and symptomatic. here is the primary one, most often people come across such pictures, obesity in the shape of an apple; obesity in the shape of a pear. like a pear - this is when

our lower part is so dense, it is typical for women, obesity, which is abdominal, is more typical for men, but this does not mean that a woman cannot have abdominal obesity, it is just more for men characteristic. but is there a mixed one, abdominal and pear-shaped? it happens when it’s already very large kilograms, yes 200-300, there’s already everything everywhere a lot, it’s difficult to separate, and there, of course, it ’s called by another word, morbid obesity, where no one counts any degrees anymore, i once wrote, by the way, not so long ago, the eighth degree, but that’s not how it’s done, that’s just me. i wanted to show the patient how we would walk with him, just like on steps, yes, remove these degrees, and after the fourth degree, morbid obesity, no one writes anything anymore, so this is it... one division is elemental and symptomatic, there may be endocrine, we often hear a patient say: i have something with my hormones, sometimes something with

hormones really contributes to the development of obesity, and the endocrinologist here must remove the main cause to help the person get rid of it, but there will still be overeating, or we often hear such a statement: after covid or during covid, they gave me injections with some kind of hormone, and after that i gained a lot. yes, most often this hormone is a glucorticoid hormone, dexomethasone, which actually saved a person’s life, yes they saved the person, there was no time for any subsequent endocrine disorders, it was necessary to save the person, they saved him, but what do the same glucocorticoids do, they increase the level of the main hunger hormone, they often talk about it now, grilin, it even has the same name one feels that it is very powerful , this grillin and it... causes an increase in receptors for hormones that stimulate our appetite, and a person really wants to eat uncontrollably, it is very difficult for him

to explain that he does not need to eat, he will not hear, will not understand, all his activities are all thoughts are about food, against this background it is easy to gain excess weight, so yes, there are such options, but there are also medicinal features, sometimes we take some kind of drug and notice that we have become constantly hungry. this has never happened before, yes, when we prescribe certain medications and we know that such a situation will happen, and without these medications there is no way, some special important story that needs to be overcome with the help of these medications, we say, you know , your appetite will increase, please try to limit such and such high-calorie foods so that this set is smaller than it can be, and in this way we will help the patient for the period required by...

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in case of danger you do not show yourself, we are investigating a criminal offense, we urgently need the cases of these people. grigory ivanovich, where are you going with you, where is he here? egor was always there, never went anywhere, didn’t try to talk to anyone, so that you wouldn’t i didn’t see, you suspect what you’re doing, according to the laws of war, the story continues from april 22, on the first. this is a podcast deception of substances, we are talking about obesity, with me is zukhra pavlova, a famous endocrinologist and me. olesya nosova, editor-in-chief of komsomolskaya pravda. another such, such a frequent statement that we hear from.