in order to keep the secret a secret, we also looked at my dad, who worked at the tushinsky machine-building plant, and they were given a fragment of a burano spaceship part , they didn’t know what they were doing, they were just given a drawing, they made the part according to the drawing and sent, which means it was sent to the address where it was required, only then did they find out that it turned out to be a fragment of buran, so we work using the same technology, we order one part from one workshop, roughly speaking, from another workshop the second part, the third, the third, then we assemble it all at our secret base, and from this we get an illusionary device that has no analogues in the world, how much does it cost to create such an illusionary device? listen, well, you and i know that an illusion device can cost 1.00 rubles, or it can cost as much as a good expensive foreign car, so getting back to that, we remember before, when we were just starting, we thought how an artist gets inspired in general, it doesn’t matter what genre he works in, whether it’s illusionary or simple.

some kind of circus, original genre, no matter how he is inspired by new ideas, he can read a book there, yes, go outside, into the garden, go to nature, climb the mountains, he can just watch some movie and learn something from there -an idea, yeah, but in reality, i’ll tell you that it’s all romance and it all works very poorly, so for it to work well, you need to lock yourself in the room, remove everything, lock yourself in the room, remove all phones, all kinds of ... who also worked on his own scripts we looked at this principle in charlie chaplin's films, he rented a hotel room, asked that all the sofa beds be taken out, there was only one desk and chair, where he locked himself in this room until he came up with the plot of his film or, as for the pennyr, until they make it up.

that mechanism that is that magic, that magic that brings everything, magic is the most expensive, a high-quality illusionary device costs about several million rubles, you forget, you will remember how long it took us to make our first version of the passage of one one person to another, we rebuilt the device four times, but that’s all, it’s trial and error, it’s all money, okay, but looking at this, well, now people are sitting there watching ours on tv. from the fact

that it’s not just to go on stage, but we ’ve come a long way for this, we’ve come a long way, we’ve graduated, we all graduated from circus school together, or i graduated from the shchepkinsky higher theater school, i received a director’s education, yes, that is, we all great education, but in general became interested in magic tricks, but personally, as far as i remember, i became interested in magic tricks from the age of 9 magic tricks, ilya was the first to start practicing magic tricks. then we got involved and , by and large, we were infected with this art of this mezlo, well, yes, we were still quite young, but i remember, i didn’t really want to do magic, i just didn’t want to do all this with my hands it’s all a long time to rehearse, this is what it should be like, what patience, fruitfulness should be, this is honing, manipulation, so as for the large illusion, i like this, i waved my hand, because of you i did everything , both technology, magic and of course we are a team we must not forget that to select a competent professional... team, which, i

call them invisible gnomes, which for the audience they do not exist, but they carry out this huge chain, sequence of actions that is created behind the scenes somewhere in space, but the result is real magic on stage, well , you see, but on the contrary, since childhood i loved some complex tricks, the more complex, the more interesting it was, i remember, i honed some tricks, well, in reality there are several months for me to succeed there, there is a whole genre, the so-called manipulators, people who, not only for several months, they perfect the same trick for years, these are the same athletes who are preparing for the olympics, that is, a person ready to spend 5, 10 years on him, because he knows that in such and such a year there will be a fism or some other competition, and he will definitely go there - she will definitely take gold, and these people, they are just fans, if we have about 300 illusions in our arsenal, yes, then these people have in their entire lives maybe one. two, but a maximum of three numbers,

but what is more difficult, a manipulation to work or a major illusion, the everyday opinion of the ordinary viewer that there is an illusion - it was just rolling out the device, pressing the button, everything was done, in reality, of course not, so... a little later i i’ll teach our viewers, and a little later, let’s start now, since you’ve already talked about the fact that you’ve been painstaking since childhood, like to do things with your hands, manipulation is your strong point, and i know, let’s tell everyone, that you have millions of views, you even recently posted a trick that was viewed by 25 million people, well, from words to action, it will be a simple but very effective trick, look, i have two glasses, one contains white beads, the other red, we mix these beads with each other, you see, they everything is mixed up, now in one second i will separate the red beads from the white ones, 1, 2, 3, fantastic, everything is ingenious and simple,

i have the red beads tied to the glass in this way, then we do this, add white beads, the white beads are mixed with... the reds, and behind you you just turn it over like this, everything works automatically, i specially select tricks that are spectacular and at the same time anyone can do it without preparation, even though, roughly speaking, they can surprise their friends tonight, listen, well, i know that you have a huge number subscribers, do you have some kind of reverse reaction from your viewers, are they able to do the tricks you teach them, and do they have the patience to rehearse like this? perfect everything and it’s easy to show how you do it, but this is not a difficult trick, so anyone who has the desire, everyone can repeat it, if someone does not repeat fox, but just watches out of curiosity how it is done, and there are those who, of course, repeat it, lay it out, well, that is, this trick is easy to learn, yourself this prop is for sale somewhere, or you

made it yourself, you can do it yourself, well, take a piece of wood, well, you can buy beads, this is the section crazy hands, this is where you need that same patience to create this one. so, friends, our school of tricks continues, the school of magic, we will call it that, and for the next trick andrey will need a very ordinary red paper bag, yes, look, there is nothing in this bag, you see, it is completely empty, but as soon as i click, a glass of delicious apple juice appears in this bag, oh well , you’re just killing us on the spot, like you - i’m telling you, in fact, look, i have bags in the back, there’s a slot like this, we do it like this, we put the bag, we put a glass in the bag like this, everyone can see, yes,

we turn it over , shake, a complete one is created the illusion that there is nothing in the bag, you see, then we turn it over again, once and... we take out the glass, you see, everything, everything , you can get out of there anything you want, anything you want, whatever you have the imagination to work on, you can surprise even a girl on a date with some trick, that yes, you can, by the way, you can get candy from there, for example, there will be a ring inside for the girl, cool, give me this bag, in general anything you want, you can, well, andrey says used it for my own purposes, so you talked about candy with a wedding ring, this is probably from life experience, this is from life experience, yes, when i just started, i was like that... listen, well, this looks like deception, they never

said that magicians are deceivers who made a hole in the bag like that, just say that this is a hoax, or we won’t talk about it in other places. the very name illusionist already says that we create an illusion, and the audience who come to our concerts, they know that they will be deceived, they come and are ready to be deceived, they want to be deceived, they want to see the illusion of a miracle, a real one magic and so on, this is a fundamental difference, that is, it turns out that we deceive the audience with their consent, with their grateful consent, grateful consent, okay, you know how the audience surprises? sometimes, uh, i remember, a year ago we were in some city and gave a small closed performance, and after the performance we found ourselves in a small room that separated andrey and i from the audience, there was such a small thin partition, we heard every word

of these people, that is, the audience, when they were they were surprised or shocked, they retell what they saw, always exaggerating it, but you saw, and one of the stories... the other, the second did not see what was happening on the scene, and he just came up, then he tells him, and there it was such a trick, and then like this, and then you imagine, he took off like this, like 20'. egyptian papyrus, which means it dates back to approximately the second millennium bc, but it generally talks about the third millennium. there is a mention of a certain magician, a certain magician, then there was no word magician, it was

a certain magician, a sorcerer, maybe a fakir, and a certain jidi who showed the pharaoh his skills, and a trick is described there, that is , the pharaoh invited him to his place, knowing him, having heard about his some incredible abilities, he invites him to to himself and says that we heard that you can, like , cut off a head, cut off a head... some animal, a bird, for example, they give him a goose, which means he cuts off the head of the goose, shows, in one hand he has the head, in the other a bird in his hand, and he grows this head back. we know this trick really exists, and he, moreover, from ancient times he went through the entire middle ages, worked in the squares.

hides her head, tucks the bird's head under the secret of the trick is that the magician holds it there in advance with the wing in this way, that is, the goose has such a flexible neck that it can, moreover, even with its head you can demonstrate this trick, in its second hand the muulage is hidden in ancient times in the role. and today they actually make such little ones that you simply can’t tell the difference, and so, tearing off that very head during this trick not a single bird was harmed, then the bird is covered, for example, with a cloth or placed in some kind of box, then its neck is freed , in general, the trick took place, but the papyrus indicates - it says that in addition to this. with the goose, he also did the same with the bull, that is, you can imagine

that how much i can’t even imagine the bull, we are illusionists, we understand that at that time, at that time, without using any kind of or an illusionary device, well, it is impossible to hide the head of a bull, that is, this indicates that the narrator, who entered this data into this papyrus, he himself fantasized, in his head this picture about... turned into some simply enormous scale, that is, in addition to the goose, he also made a bull’s head there, he could come up with something else to weave, this is how the viewer’s head works when he sees something, as david copperfield said, sometimes all the magic happens not on stage, in the audience’s heads, that is , therefore we only give some impetus to the imagination of our viewers, who, seeing the trick, already in their heads they fantasize about what is there is actually happening and what could happen, but there are still debates about what is most important? in an illusionist’s act, that the main thing is either a trick, that’s what the techies say,

i’m so convinced that the main thing is still a trick, some more creative individuals say that the main thing is the person who demonstrates, most likely it will be the most successful and this and that, yes, absolutely true, the golden mean, when the trick works, and the personality is presented, the staging of the act itself, by the way, is the same one, this same garatius goldin, who did the second a more... perfect version of sawing a man, his performance began like this, that is, as they say, the theater begins with a hanger, his performance began on the street in front of the theater, the audience came to the theater, and in front of the theater there was already a medical aid carriage, on which it was written that the carriage was installed here in case of death of the illusionist or his assistant, that is, the viewer already understood that something was about to happen. which there was a sign hanging,

and where it was written that in the event of any there was shock or some other kind of fainting, you can always turn to the nurses who will definitely help you, imagine what kind of intrigue hung in the atmosphere, nothing had started yet, and people were already thinking, yes this is... i think that the latter nowadays there really is a trend towards, let's say, more shocking stunts, so they want more

realism, right? they made the same lady trailer that we remembered today. sawing added blood and guts, we do combustion in our shows, do you remember, i burned 27 times in 9 days, this is one of the most dangerous stunt tricks that are used in cinema, and we do this on stage in front of a live audience, that is, if in a film you can do a double, you can draw computer graphics and so on, then here everything happens in real time on stage without duplicates, without editing, you see my whole body is engulfed in fire and this realism, this spectacle is mesmerizing and captivating. today's sophisticated viewer is even more interested, i'll show you the trick now, and then i'll tell you how it it’s done, agreed, great, come on, where did i go, otherwise we have a table with a cylinder on stage and the audience asks why it’s standing here, i’ll move it a little closer to me, so i’ll work on this camera, no , i don’t need help, everything will

happen right before your eyes, the trick is called the disappearance of the red handkerchief, and so i have a red handkerchief in my hands. now it will disappear, but we all need to say the magic words together. what magic spells do we know? abracadabra. abracadabra. well done guys, what would i do without you? oops, the handkerchief disappeared, but what did we have? egg. attention, where is the scarf, oh, and it’s already in the top hat. we have those of our young viewers who did not understand how i did it, who have not yet found the beacon of the spear. yes, so now i'll tell you how i did it. in fact, i have two identical red scarves. i put the first handkerchief in the cylinder in advance, the second handkerchief is hidden in my little testicle, you see, it’s empty plastic, bought in a joke shop, when you go on stage, you need to discreetly hold the testicle in your palm, like this apparently, yeah, then we start hiding the handkerchief right in the hole, hide, hide, hide, hide, this is the first handkerchief, the second one is where we have it, here in the cylinder, everything is correct, in the cylinder,

here is the most important thing, when you hid the handkerchief, the testicle you can’t show this hole, it needs to be quickly turned around and hidden from the viewer, but there will always be attentive spectators in the hall who will say: yes, we know the handkerchief in the egg, in this case, what do we do, we tear off the hole, throw it away, oops, oh what's wrong with the egg? what are you talking about, it's there we are real, comments are already coming from the audience, from the auditorium, and are you going to expose this? of course, we just did it, but we still have cards on the table, probably we also want to show something with them, right? by the way, with these cards the video got 25 million views, i don’t know, in about two weeks, and today you are ready to expose it, but there is nothing to expose, look, i can just show you, this is the only number in andrey’s arsenal, in which there is no secret, it works here

pure magic, so, you see, there are five different cards in front of you, choose any one , remember it, so i... for our viewers, remember, yes, great, think about your card, and i’ll find it now, i think, so, so, so, so, so, so, yeah, here's your card, i'll put it aside now, so, look, among the remaining cards your card is not there, yes, my card is not there, great, this trick has scored 25 million , you see, everyone understood how it was done, but 25 million did not understand, they admired it, i can hear the audience now screaming through screen: reveal the secret! and by the way, you can watch it again and maybe then you will understand that today the viewer is very sophisticated, he watches blockbusters, where there are a huge number of special effects, computer graphics and

so on, when we were just starting to engage in the illusion genre, we also set ourselves the task of the scene : well, do something similar to what viewers see in the movies, for which today illusionists use all this know-how, because the viewer demands action, because today the viewer gets a huge amount of this light, fast dopamine, all social networks give the viewer the opportunity to squeeze out this, that is, all the most spectacular things quickly. from all over the globe and there is a fall and some super tricks and some super technologies, all this quickly, quickly you scroll through it, you get it, you are surprised, you are happy there. one of the tools to influence

the audience, absolutely true, but i am still convinced that the main evolutionary genre, of course, is mr. trick, the trick comes first, then the special effect, this is all secondary, this needs to be done, we are doing everything right, but in the first place it is a trick, there will be no trick, just watching the special effects, of course, it is interesting, but this is a different show. this is a different genre, yes, yes, well , now you’re talking about tricks, i understand that today, again, everyone is fascinated by those same levitations, teleportations, but if you ask our viewers there, i remember we did such a survey, asked , and what superpower would you like to have, that's what you would like to be there, the invisible man, pass through walls, fly through the air or teleport, and a huge number of viewers chose teleportation, but there are viewers who like, for example, comic magic, so he came to laugh, we have comic magic. comic tricks, there are spectators who came, they really like romance, melodrama, we have beautiful romantic tricks with levitation, there are people who love extreme sports, for this we set ourselves on fire, make explosions, pyrotechnics

and so on, and there are dreamers, which are here dream of a teleportation machine, and for them this trick makes them think that in the illusion genre nothing is impossible, that if you dream about something, keep your dream in your heart, strive for your dream, then you will definitely you will achieve it and... it will not be in real life, on stage, we will show the audience our new invention, a teleportation machine, you look, so we will be happy to meet you after some time in this studio, and i promise you, we will continue stories and stories about new tricks, about new technologies, about new achievements in illusion genres, about new illusionists, we were with you, illusionists, brothers safronov and andrey ilya and sergey, this is a podcast of tricks, and as they say, believe in miracles, they are sure to happen. will happen to you, well , let's go, in front of you is our new invention - a teleportation machine, watch andrey carefully. the illusionist

will remain on this chair until the very end of the trick. now i will reach my hands through this fabric, and you will see me until the very end of the trick. from now on everything will be shot in one shot. without installation, look carefully, pay attention, there are no secrets around the table, neither below nor above, so i won’t be able to run away unnoticed. so, it’s time to be surprised, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, come on, look there, look, great, everything is filmed, yes, we can’t do that yet,

i greet you, this is a podcast chronicling the end of times, and i, eugene dodolev will tell you about how i and my colleagues were manipulated in this way. the so-called security forces, that is, people from the special services, i, of course, must let me say right away that this is not some specific local phenomenon, this is generally happening on a global scale, has happened, and will apparently continue to happen as long as my profession exists, and the profession of intelligence and counterintelligence exists. previously, in the soviet union, well, in the pre-perestroika era, let’s say, before i entered the profession. that year, of course, people were recruited there, but they were not recruited in order to manipulate their pen, the topics of publications, the choice

of stories, but just like people were recruited from any other branch of the industry, because journalists wrote what needed to be written, there was the line of the government party, the so -called, there was a very powerful institution of ageprop everything. developed, in general, according to verified algorithms, so there was no need for the people of slubyanka to recruit journalists precisely as journalists, they were recruited in an obvious way, simply so that they would inform about the conversations that colleagues were having, but this was not directly related to the profession , i remember that my colleague, vladimir... mukusev, who was releasing the look and presenting glance, when i was working on my memoirs, he brought me some declassified

documents from... the state security committee, because in ninety- three he was a deputy of the supreme council, in my opinion, that’s what it was called, then and or already it was duma, it doesn’t matter, that is, he was a parliamentarian, as a parliamentarian, so he raised documents and papers related to the youth editorial office of the ussr state radio with a project called a look, and he showed me transcripts of the broadcasts there, including ...

which in principle it's like a working moment, it's it’s not a denunciation that this person did something like that, he needs to be punished for it, this kind of cooperation is absolutely not what i’m going to talk about, but what i’m going to talk about is about manipulation, when journalists are manipulated, they think that they are doing their job and often highly professional work, in fact serving... the interests of one or another service, one or another department, in order to somehow not focus exclusively on the late soviet union , i have to tell about the charismatic story that became the basis of the film green zone, green zone, in my opinion, in our distribution it was called a hollywood film, don’t take it alive or something like that, mat damon plays the main role in it, this

film was shot. according to the real story, it actually tells how the war in iraq began, the war in iraq began with the submission of the wall street journal to a certain extent, that is, with a series of publications in the most respectable overseas newspaper, i’ll tell you this diagram, which is universal for any country and for any period, how it works, an employee of the department, either openly presenting. such or in the dark meet a journalist, in that story it was a very famous journalist from the wall street journal, and she leaks this or that information, reliable information, not necessarily sensational, but certainly reliable, over a fairly long period, not even weeks, not months, we are talking about years, during this period

trust in this source is formed. and this is a very long game, that is work with a journalist in order to at one wonderful or terrible moment throw in information that can change the course of history, as was the case with the wall street journal, it was information about the presence of saddam hussein, well, he personally, of course, and iraq weapons of mass destruction, then

the decision was actually made that it was necessary... firstly, he was the youngest general in the kgb system, he became a general when he was 40 years old, neither before nor after him anyone in this structure had become so early general in the soviet union, i don’t even say, i don’t know, what about the fsb and about modern times, at that time he was the youngest general, the most promising, he saw himself, as he told me, in the future. head

of the state security committee, because in general everything turned out more than successfully in his biography, he went to america for... undercover as a journalist, he went as a journalist who accompanied nikita sergeevich khrushchev, the then leader of the country, on his visit for ocean, and witnessed the famous demarche of khrushchevsky, about which

songs are composed, when i say songs are composed, i don’t mean it in a figurative sense, but there , in reality, songs are written about it, which is like on the podium of the united nations. the leader of the soviet union pounded on the podium with his boots and said that he would show you kuska’s mother, as interpreted by western journalists, he allegedly threatened to bury everyone there, literally, that is, translation. in fact, the son of nikita sergeevich khrushchev, sergei nikitovich khrushchev, who, by the way, lives in america, said that his father did not take off this shoe, that he... dropped this the shoe, when he walked to the podium, he took it in his hand, somehow it was very uncomfortable, he is such a smart, large person, it was awkward to somehow put this shoe back on his heel, so the shoe remained in his

hand when he entered in the enemy, he began to knock on the podium, it was a very noisy story, we still remember it, it did not have the best effect on the image of the country, not to mention the image of nikita sergeevich khrushchev himself, all this was observed directly by oleg danilovich kolugin, then officer, senior lieutenant, of the state security committee, who, i repeat, worked under the roof of journalists, this is a very common practice, because in general , god himself works under the guise of journalists for both intelligence officers and counterintelligence officers. ordered, because what is our profession? i’m just on duty as a journalist, i can come to almost any place to ask any questions, well, because i’m working on this material, i’m interested in this person, this object, this industry, that is

, all this does not seem to raise questions , why do i ask questions, because this is my profession, asking questions and preparing material, collecting material, and what is an intelligence officer, this is a person who collects materials, so intelligence officers and... from time immemorial have used this roof and recruited journalists who have already made it with reputation, with connections, that’s also why, because there was actually no need to reinvent the wheel, everything in general was already spelled out simply in all the textbooks in the books. this is a podcast of the chronicle of the end times and i, evgenia dodolev, tell you about how intelligence agencies have worked and are working with us.

such a kgb general who can tell something about the kgb, it may sound somewhat banal now, but at that time, in the late eighties, it was something, in general, given the status and scale of this organization and, in fact, the figure

of kolugin himself was already known to me, because this man organized the st. petersburg rock club, or rather the leningrad rock club, he... at one time headed some kind of administration there in leningrad, where he was exiled, and as he told me, well... it means that the security officers are running around all these communal apartments in st. petersburg, in the gateways, almost every single rock group or some kind of community, that a decision was made in the state security committee, just to gather them in one place everything, that is, to organize a leningrad rock club, where they would all make music; in general , they could be looked after compactly, so this legendary organization actually appeared, which gave us... the best people of the rock movement, naturally, they, no one

of the musicians, i just think it’s necessary to say this, i had no idea how this idea was born, in fact, like us working in the vzglya program, i didn’t work for the vzglya program, i was never invited, but i was involved, so, like us, who are related to the look program, and who work there too, my colleagues had no idea that the look program, well, at that stage they had no idea, was... organized as an alternative to the friday edition on the bbc of sev novgorod, because the committee state security wrote in the central committee of the party notes that young people are advanced, listen every friday to these hostile broadcasts, listen to music, and at the same time they are poisoned by the wrong ideology, that it is necessary to create on soviet television at this time on friday evening a television product that young people would watch, ignoring seva novgorodtseva.

kolugin also told me about this, but much later. so, at that moment, when nasetkin, the owner of these apartments in the rossiya hotel, suggested that i make a story with a kgb general. of course, i happily jumped on it, we made a story, it was on air, programs. after that. a line of western journalists lined up for kolugin, and he became a very prominent figure. as far as i understand, in the interpretation of kalugin’s opponents, and he understood that he was being watched, he was suspected of being recruited by the american intelligence services, and he simply played ahead of the curve, that is, he became a prominent figure, later, he became a deputy of the supreme council in the krasnodar region, i remember what happened to him

alexander politkovsky went, the host of the program made his look the plot, well, that is, in the eyes of, let’s say, a democratically minded public, he was such a hero, but as it turned out much later, many years later, he was actually a traitor, when i went this is already a movement, many... many years later i asked one of my friends from the fsb why you somehow, i don’t know, didn’t immediately tell me that the person was a spy or suspected of it, and they explained to me that because he was in very good close relations with alexander nikolayevich yakovlev, in the year fifty-nine they were together in america, perhaps they were recruited together, it was impossible to disclose this information, because... well , ideology, and just sign that at

some period when he dealt with us, well, the highest leadership is suspected, it was completely unacceptable that this is not done, is never done, in any country, that these things are always solved somehow differently, well, for me it was, in general, another discovery, a little at once so as not to forget, i’ll step aside, when in the early nineties i went with yulyan semyonovich semenov to kryuchkov, who headed the state security committee at that time, he just reproached me, he said that’s why you ’re promoting there traitor, i had eyes like these, that is, for me it was a complete discovery, and kryuchkov, who was his opponent and competitor with whom they had been fighting throughout their entire biography, as it turned out from this conversation. believed that what was known to him should be

known to yulian semenovich semyonov, and therefore, should be known to some of his employees, one of whom was me, well, okay, that’s not what the song is about at all, so, as i understand it , that, naturally, oleg danilovich manipulated me, because he invited me to his home, met his wife, his grandson, there, i... this story means the war in the hawaii region,

when the japanese attacked the united states, and from films, oddly enough, one of the oldest... this means casablanca, this is a film just about the intrigues of german and western spies in general in north africa at the beginning of the world war. this is just one of those films that i really like. well , not to mention that once in my childhood i was a great admirer of deanna durbin. and then there was this janet macdonald, a wonderful singer, she had a partner, uh. edin nelson, in my opinion, if i’m not mistaken, is an excellent singer, they, of course, left a big mark on our culture in general, especially those of our older generation who after the war we saw a huge number of western films, including trophy ones, and where there were a lot of good things, very, when he was in school, he even had

small notebooks, one notebook, what is happening in the country, who is the president, who is doing what , minister, it was the eighth-ninth grade, the other notebook was music. what he likes, what he listened to, the third notebook, what he read and what movies and we really went to the cinema very often, but three times a month, always to the theaters. but that's all for in recent years, everything has gone somewhere, especially when he became a deputy, it’s all a mass of letters, a mass of untheater, he said that during this year he lived as if for 10 years, because the load was, of course, terrible, on him and somewhere... then ricochet at me, because naturally.

i can’t listen, i’m starting to twitch the same way they twitch, and the old music is all so beautiful, well, it’s good that at least there is something that calms us down, yes, this calms us down, in one of the conversations we did a few more newspaper interviews with him, he told me about this system of working with journalists, both the special services, well, in particular the first directorate, the first head of the kgb, and intelligence. worked with western journalists, or some small publication was bought, some small provincial newspaper, well , private, it was bought with a person who either worked for the kgb or was a sleeper agent himself,

the necessary article appeared in this newspaper, completely unknown , some kind of provincial, urban, if not even rural. newspaper. and, uh, tas, the telegraph agency of the soviet union, that is, the largest news agency in our country, with reference to a western publication, has already replicated this information. and already at the instigation of slen tas, this could already become the property of the world community, relatively speaking, they have already talked about it overseas, in europe, that is, this is how it worked. and this is actually the mechanism that i told you about from the film green zone, this is the scheme he also told me that he worked, in particular, not by himself personally, but by some of his wards...