is around the world with us to go see to the lake and climate policies. we speak to the mexican agriculture minister about how it grows in mexico, of coping. plus inflation is slowing down. will central buttons put interest rates soon? counting the cost on all just there. the the, the in the world with short food and governmental and international responses to global challenges. a glaring, non governmental organizations step in to bridge the gap. providing critical services and support. these organizations which the most vulnerable often overlooked populations, free not just age, but hope at the full front of this humanitarian efforts as the international rescue committee, led by david middleton founded at the behest of albert einstein and 1933 c i o. c

has become a beacon of relief and recovery. so those costs and the cost was a conflict. and as often as well focuses on the go on gaza identified 5 the i'll see as well, did vs pays for civilians. the dangers also extend to those trying to help garza ranks as the most dangerous place to aid work is presenting significant challenges for organizations like the i'll see to reach those in desperate need. navigating the intricate dynamics of global politics involves critical questions. the engagement with how much but this huge of piece and then at least on the role of major powers in conflict resolution. on this episode with joined by david miller. as a former u. k. foreign secretary leads the aisle and the insights of a road not understanding the necessary actions to address the crises and garza and also in other regions to dump the democratic republic of congo, ukraine,

and beyond. david middleman. president of the international rescue committee talks to out of the era, the david miller vans president of the international rescue committee. thank you for talking to alex, is there around? let's start with casa, it's a will be covered extensively on this channel. the i'll see is in bold is trying to deliver aid. what are the challenges it's facing? well, 1st of all, i think it's important to say that the coverage that i'll just say or is giving to the gaza crisis is well narrative. and it's very, very important because it's vital that the facts and the reality and the agony of the situation on the ground in gaza is broad cost accurately to a wide audience. the international rescue committee is

a global humanitarian organization and we've been absolutely committed to doing everything we can on the ground in gaza without local partners to make sure there's some relief from the war without ever forgetting that the only way to give absolute protection to civilians in gauze and to ensure the aid is delivered to the injured or treated is for the fighting to stop. now while the fighting goes on, we're still committed to the humanitarian imperative. and you use the phrase deliver aid. that's true in the sense of procuring medical goods, delivering medical goods, trying to support hospitals and other health facilities, also try to support civilians with economic support. but as well as delivering aid, we are delivering people. we now have the, the emergency medical team sponsored,

supported by the international rescue committee and partner the medical aid for palestinians. house, the emergency medical team made up of international doctors, surgeons, orthopedics specialists, and his anesthesiologist. they are in a gauze or at the moment, looking at one of the hospitals, as i say, is the 3rd medical team that working on the extraordinarily difficult condition. so, and you asked about the difficulties, and of course, the biggest difficulty is that the war is on going up, but access, getting them in, getting them safe, getting the operating is a massive challenge as well. and it's also the deadliest place in the world for a while. cuz isn't that more than a 150 un work cuz have been killed since the starts of this war as the i r c suffered casualties. we have not suff website tyler to use. thank goodness, amongst our own stuff, but the we did have injuries from a missile strike on a guest house and obviously the danger to

a work cause is shed with the danger to civilians you rightly flags the terrible number now 29000. uh, i would, i would say a minimum of $29000.00 because of course, tragically we fear that there are many more under rubble and elsewhere as yet from discovery. i think it's important to say as well, while your, your absolutely right to flag that guns are, is the most dangerous place in the world to be a civilian and to be an aide? well, i've just come from sounds to don and what's happening in gauze a while terrible is not the only place in the world where it's dangerous to be an aide. well, because how saddam, you use the figure a 150, and that's why i just want to make a global points, a 158. well, because it'd be lost in south saddam as well. it goes. yeah. so this is a global phenomenon as well. as a local phenomenon, and it's terrible on old friends. absolutely. i mean, yeah, i see is,

is present in more than 50 countries where there is quite sees that we will touch on a number of those. in the course of this interview, i just want to focus on cause or for a little bit longer faster because you said the only thing that really needs to happen and goes is for the role to stop for a ceasefire, an immediate humanitarian sci fi window of course that the us has just veto his baths at the un security council view k. a stained in that vote. so how do you get the seats fund and goes well you your right to, to, to highlight the needs to stop the fighting. as humanitarians as the humanitarian agency, we can to relieve the suffering. but in the end to end the suffering, we need politics to come into play and at the moment, politics is getting in the way. rather than facilitating the end of the suffering. you mentioned successive attendance at the united nations to bring relief. that is

at the moment, gridlocked. and obviously our greatest judging out, urging every day, urging in every meeting are urging and every statement is yes. to respect the humanitarian imperative and to remind you to respect, humanitarian law, humanitarian law says that civilians have a right to protection from violence and civilian and internationally. montana little also says that civilians have a right. do you mind sharing aid as well as assessing that we argue at every opportunity that the conduct of the fighting means that the only way to offer proper protection to civilian is the only way to guarantee not just the flow of aid, but the restoration of basic infrastructure is for the fighting to stop, and that's a plea on a gene, a dom on that we make continually because we can do so on the basis of what we see . we're not a political agency, but we do have the opportunity to bear witness to what we're seeing and the

testimony of doctors the testimony about stop the testimony of upon those, the testimony of our clients. and i would say the testimony of our stop in the region who have friends and relatives in gaza is that the fighting has to stop. i, i'm speaking to you from a mom where i am here for a couple of days. i had the opportunity to meet with some of our staff who have lost relatives in gaza. they lost friends in gauze or their links that tightly link asked off to the situation in gauze, went to people in gauze. and part of my job is to relay the as i get an e to a global audience, but also to decision because because the suffering is absolutely intense and the rights of the civilians in gauze are,

i'm not being respected and that's something that we uphold. you've said in the past that when americans want to put the squeeze on, they can put the squeeze on you. they said that if they want something they can make your life tough. and of course you've been in that unique position where you can see that. but the relation seen the us and the u. k. so my question is, why are they not now doing that on israel to? well, i think that the best on that is the you have to ask the americans about how the discussions are ongoing. as you know, there is a simple pot to this and a complicated part to this. the simple part that i speak to is that the identity and the suffering and the loss of life in gaza is unconscionable that of the scale of the loss. and it is, is that there's a simple humanitarian principle,

just as it's important to say, there was a simple humanitarian principle. what happened on october, the 7th is unconscionable that as a humanitarian agency, we stand full square behind the idea that the suffering of civilians is never justified. that's the simple part. the complicated part, as you know extremely well from the region, is that history and politics is bound up with the suffering of the palestinian people. and the political solution is, has a matter of complexities to it. i think that if you ask the american, the american negotiators, if you ask the american diplomats, if you ask the american politicians, but also frankly, if you ask category politicians, if you ask and there are auntie politicians, if you all sound the politicians, they'd say that there are many layers to the political solution and my point would be from the humanitarian perspective,

is that we have to be able to do 2 things at the same time. somebody monetary and perspective that has to be a fulfillment of the imperative to stop the violence. but there also has to be a plan for the future. and that's a double imperative that exists. ok, i it, most of the welto agrees that enough is enough. that needs to be in the media to humanitarian seized by the us is very much standing out on that side and on this and the u. k. is standing behind it. what does this do to the u. k. standing in the world in the us? well, obviously we're living in a not just the dividing world, but of the world. it is becoming more divided and it's become more divided since october the 7th. so in, in very direct on such a you'll question the consequences off of the global division at the time when the world can ill afford this division. i mean, the middle east can look forward to this global division, and frankly, the wide world can ill afford this division because there are so many global risks

at the moment, and those global risk. so being exacerbated by the geo political division, we're seeing it's been on display this week. what i can do is speak to you from the current position i had not from the former position i have. but what i can offer is urgency as an imperative because every day that the war in gauze it goes on, it exacerbates those divisions. it makes the po, the politics more difficult, not less difficult a day. but if you'll let me, i just wanted to take you back to when you were a foreign secretary of the u. k, you came to the post in 2007. should you have engaged with him us off to that one? the election in goal? so in 2006. uh well, i think the, the uh, the situation by 2007 had moved on. uh, quite false. and obviously the um, the 1st one of the only things that i was dealing with was a 20089 gauze,

a conflict to the cx. 5 was broken in december, 2008. and it was my role to negotiate very hard and urgently to bring the ceasefire resolution that was eventually passed in the 1st week of january, 2009 to a conclusion. now the, the conflict carried on for 10 days. a whole range of people led by the norwegians, i think of the time, was speaking to a mouse. the fact that the war wasn't finished for 10 days off to the conclusion of those negation negotiations cost lives. but it wasn't the lack of engagement that was a failure to follow the resolution on both sides. it to a number of lessons about the need to address the root cause of the conflict. it took lessons about the way in which diplomacy can, can help, because that was

a very significant arab presence and engagement. but that was also very sustained western engagement us u. k. funds on the security council at the time. and the imperative that i explained to the house of commons off to that vote was to make sure that those lessons were alone. the trouble is they want none by wednesday because the root cause is when never are dressed completely. you're absolutely right to say that the, it would be wrong to say that there was a byron period of diplomacy off the 2009, but that was extremely limited diplomacy off to 2009. uh, president obama a pointed george mitchell is a special envoy the it his 2nd time he aust, don't carry to undertake next size. but really the period since 2009 has shown much small, limited political effort,

especially in the last few years. and the last 5 of 6 years to address those root cause is compared to the previous period. i mean, the obvious point to make to you that i made many times, i think including on your channel is that the 2002 or a piece initiative was a very, very significant piece of diplomacy. and it had urgency and energy and engagement behind it. really for the 7 or 8 years off to that, but the last 10 years have had extremely limited. so where did it go wrong and the crunch it is that there are tons of that to what i mean. i'm a great believer in diplomacy. i'm a great believer in tackling difficult problems and so you'll, you'll, you'll rights to points out the costs of that failure of diplomacy when i

and my organization are doing at the moment is having to try to minimize the damage on the ground. and that's what we do not just in gaza, we have a programs in, in jordan and lebanon in syria and iraq, and in yemen. and that's the humanitarian enterprise to which i'm a decades of the moment. but obviously, the worst, the politics, the greater the humanitarian button and it's not a button. we can, we can have a, we can never substitute for politics. we can mitigate and minimize and limit the consequences of failure politics. but we depend on politics to you and just as the industrial rescue committee now advocate for how much to be engaged as we are looking to the future to the end of the war and goes into the future of a state of palestine. well, we're a humanitarian organization. we advocate for the rights of the civilians who we serve, then we advocate for that rights when that caught up and conflict a we also,

in the most general terms, ways on do that, that the whatever, the heroism and the effectiveness of what we can do in will it's nothing compared to what people the way people can live in, in peace. and when i said earlier that it's desperate for the people of, of the middle east. that there is a viable political plan on speaking to a moral imperative that we don't get into with we're not saying organization that can go into the details of peace, make a peace making is something that's both skilled and the essence of politics and diplomacy. what we can, uh, is the piece make us go about that business with urgency, not just in this region, but elsewhere. because i think you've covered on your show, there are 50 full conflicts going on around the world. this is one of the most acute,

and it's desperate that the piece make cars get working. let's move on to tom. this is the world's largest displacement crisis. moving to the population that needs support and protection. and the i'll see is wanting that 7000000 people could face extreme hung up by june. besides me as a story that has slipped out of the headlines kinda catastrophe via vetch as well. yes, it gets us to be can be of us. and so thank you. for recognizing the importance of the issue while without in any way diminishing the cause of the urgency in gauze as to don is, as you know, a country of 25000000 people and the fact that they should be 7000000 people facing famine is a catastrophic reality seats, but it is also inevitable, etc. suzanne has been consumed by civil conflict, led by the government and the rebel group, the recess,

the rapid support force. since last april, i was in south dawn, which is a country with its own enormous challenges south to donna's number 3 on the policies. emergency watch list full this. yeah. but 500000 people have fled to south, sued on despite its own problems, one and a half 1000000 people have fled to chad and obviously large numbers i caught up in the fighting inside. so that now, so don also suffers from a deficit of diplomacy. there is a very limited process to try to stop the fighting lead by this, the government of saudi arabia, the kingdom of saudi arabia, about the people in suit on paying the price for the failure of diplomacy and of the limits of diplomacy. you are kind of catastrophe be of a tenant. yes, it certainly can. how can that happen festival? that the policies to the conflict fulfilled the legal and moral obligations to

allow a to flow. secondly, about the funding for the world food program as well as for organizations like the international rescue committee. is that because at the moment the funding is not that he said there's a lack of funding the you and emergency a chief loss in griffith last year said that their appeal was less than half funded . how do you get those funds in these situations because they just say it diplomacy and it's funding. and if you don't have the funding that catastrophe is not going to be, as i said, well, there's a very stock message here and it's not just the message to the traditional donors in the western world. it's a message to donors, frankly, in the gulf as well. because when we talk about the responsibilities that come with wells, that doesn't just apply to those who story actually rich countries in applies to those newly rich countries. and the u. n. 8 architecture comp just depend

on the traditional donors in the western world. i think i'm right in saying that for the united nations high commission on refugees, they depend for about half of their income on the u. s. government. that is not a sustainable long term solution. it needs those newly wealthy countries to fulfill their responsibilities. and i would all you, the best fulfilled not just by, by latrell support from child support organizations in the gulf to child support organizations on the ground. for example, read precedent, have a good look. it's vital that the newly wealthy countries are part of the multilateral system. i know in massive conflict that is getting under post. it is eastern democratic republic of congo. a correspondent in government says, hundreds of thousands of people once again on the move, trying to escape a intense fight saying that's already killed. extraordinary fake, as have 6000000 people on a root of 6000000 people. is,

does he get conflict in saying that b i l c has been on the ground for the entirety of this conflict? can you give us an idea of why it has gone on for so long to? well, thank you for raising that, and there's obviously a danger that your view is just they're exhausted by the conflict in gaza when we start talking south saddam, when we talk about the democratic republic of congo, there's a danger for organizations like mine that people just say off i can't cope with more of these, let me just speak to the democratic over republic of congo issue and make a global point in our emergency watch list, which is the watch list of the top 20 countries facing humanitarian crisis. those countries which include the democratic republic of congo, they constitute more than 80 percent of total humanitarian need. and i would argue that's a more manageable way of thinking about the humanitarian burden that exists around

the world. in the d all see what we see. we see 1st of all the splintering of governing authority. that's true, not just in d. c is true elsewhere. secondly, we see external support for civil conflict. there are intended what's called into nationalized civil conflict. certainly we see the duration of conflict extended and falsely. we see acute but bone by women and goals because the emergency fits them. honda and you know that from the middle east conflict as well. now the roots of this speak to a very deadly combination. puppets, a miss governance and conflict going together and feeding off each other and the challenges in the all see show the when humanitarian issues and also addressed that exacerbates the political instability. and that's the cycle that we've seen.

we have the international rescue committee. i've seen in the d. c. over the last 30 years. i would want to talk more about d. c, but as you say, there was so many crises going on in the well, the deals i want to bring up, you crane. and this all the time that we have ukraine is just the quote, secure significant funding from the you. but of course, the us is now looking, say, came 5 and struggling to get an aide package to congress present a formal present. donald trump, possibly the next president, indicating that he would attach conditions to an aid package for ukraine. 10, the west, a 4 to give off on this country. well, i'll, i think about this from the perspective of the civilians on the ground in ukraine and the civilians who are refugees in europe. they come to for the will to give up on the rights to choose their own government and to have the solvency and territorial integrity of the country defended an i think this is a global issue, not just a western issue. if the world becomes

a place where the borders of countries are just decided by c at. and i say this consists of the of this region the, the. busy then becomes ungovernable, and ukraine is not just a european problem, it's a global problem. those around the world are right to say that europe should have a principled stand on global issues, not just on the ukraine issue, but i think it's vital that we don't end up in a situation where the rights of civilians and ukraine are traded off against the rights of civilians from other in the middle east or in africa that you've been discussing to and the fact that the ukraine issue and the goals are, as you have divided the world, rob the united it behind the imperatives of living up to international law, seems to me to be a tragedy when you look at ukraine, the global south, sol, how quickly the us, the west, the u. u. k. mobilize to help a fight against russia to take him refugees, and they of course, competitive it's too complex in their own neighborhoods. do you feel that the west,

when i say that, i mean the, you, us and we okay. they know some moral standing that in the world to well, i wrote about this last year in the southern us as because i said the ukraine has united the west, but divided the world. and the allegation that the west was getting better treatment to refugees in the u from ukraine, that it was the refugees. altima is one that has stopped the units. see that i think is important if you monetary and crisis is to properly be addressed. and so i think there's a very stock warning for politicians and citizens across the western world that they need to live up to their responsibilities. and that is a very challenging global agenda is one that reflects a different global balance of power, but it's one where principles of social justice and international law are absolutely vital. the warning for the western world is very,

very clear. and the principles that they need to live up to a ones that they have and not in c aged, but they need to live up to them. but all the doing that to be more looking now at the climate prices, again being a title divider of the world. the record of the west since 1990 is the dominant powers of the global system as involves some achievements. but it hasn't been good enough. and that has a corroded confidence. the west needs to make sure that his own house is in order, but that its contribution to the global system is also in order. that's partly financial is also political, but it's also geo political is also about how it conceives a fat shattering of the. busy wells responsibilities were living at the time of growing global risk. so there's a health risk conflict risk and you mentioned that climate risk. so those with the greatest results is have the greatest responsibility. and i am a passionately committed to the idea that the western world, the democratic world, if you like, needs to do better, say,

admitted on presence of the instructional rescue committee. thank you for talking 1000. thank you very much. the, the salvation is being used as a what the only way to stop cutting costs ation is to allow you then people are surrounding it. sparks goes with the flower just hard to break it and show us the level of difficulty because of the shortage of humanitarian aid. we have no blankets, no food, and no rule to. i prefer the desk to this humiliation. war is not killed us yet. it seems that we will die of hunger and can't find food. people say that they're stuck between death, star bases and displacement. the

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