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us until recently, the professions most likely to be replaced by a i have included office workers accountants, and even journalists, now hundreds of leading musicians are defending their work. as rob reynolds reports, some of the brightest stars in the music world are sounding the alarm from billy. i wish all the good good school to nicky me. no more. we found that does that? yes, it's night in jon bon jovi, smokey robinson say advanced artificial intelligence poses a threat to their artistic integrity and their livelihood in all more than $200.00 living artists, as well as the estates of frank sinatra and reggae legend bob marley, signed an online opened letter titled stopped evaluating music
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the artist say that while a has enormous potential to create exciting experiences for music lovers, when used irresponsibly a, i pauses. enormous threats concluding this assault on human creativity must be stopped. we're risk a really replacing the replacement of human creators and human artists by this a. i generated music and that has far reaching impacts both for the musicians and how much they get paid and their livelihoods and their careers. but also for society and our culture. sheryl crow also signed the letter, summed up the artist fears it terrifies me that i can sing to you a song that i had absolutely nothing to do with. an you believe it's,
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it's happened already last year, a completely a i generated that is to say totally fake song by drake and the weekend went viral . it even appeared briefly on apple music in spite of 5. it's not the 1st time artist took a stand against the joint entertainment companies using ai to make big profits without compensation. a i restrictions were a major sticking point in the last years, months long strikes by movies and tv actors and writers that have strong industry for months. rob reynolds, l g 0, los angeles. next analysis 0 is the bottom line and i'll be back in the top of the hour with more world news. thanks for watching. the latest news as it breaks around on a given across the street,
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but it does come out in large numbers. your guys are not as popular to the board with detailed coverage, but the reason prices and the realization that things are likely to get much worse before they get better is driving some residents to the brain from around the world . people have told us the circumstances, it even more important than usual to come together to share what they feel they have a hi, i'm steve clements and i have a question as hunger spreads in gaza and is really ignores a security council resolution calling for a ceasefire where is this we're heading. let's get to the bottom line. the for months is really has been threatening to destroy the last palestinian city in the gaza strip. still standing and that's rasa is really prime minister benjamin netanyahu did a u turn after initially cancelling his delegations visit to washington. and then we scheduling those meetings to discuss his plans for ortho. the reason for the
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cancellation is real, was angered when the by the administration didn't veto a un security council resolution calling for a cease fire during the month of ramadan, which is almost over. and immediately after the resolution passed, the us said it wasn't binding anyway. so when israel still talking about total victory, the daily killing continues and starvation of palestinians is widespread and with only vague prospects for temporary ceasefire. where is the war in gaza heading today? we're talking with kenneth rock, the former head of human rights watch, and now visiting professor at princeton university. can. it's great to see you. you've long been at the helm of i would call the contents of at least america and much of the world when it comes to looking at human rights violations and pointing the mountain shining a spotlight on them. what do you see in gaza today? well, it's a devastating situation, i think, as we all know, and you know, sadly this is not just and the unfortunate consequence of war. this is
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a deliberate strategy on the part of the issue that we go. and what everybody's focusing on for months now. he's natania, who's starvation strategy on that was the subject of the international court of justice is on new ruling this week. and, you know, what we seeing is that these really, governments get what's in dribs and drabs. today, i'm is trying to prevent large scale data. but it's not letting in anywhere near enough a, to prevent large scale. songbird starvation, and as a new un report is just found imminent stomach. and so, you know, that's of immediate concern. but of course, that's part of a larger strategy, which these really government seems to be collective to be punishing the civilian population of casa for the horrible time. so from us on our side, and we've seen this in the industry and at bump outlet, the, you know, destination of broad neighborhoods in gaza on the disproportionate attacks going
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after, you know, what might be military targets, but using things like 2000 pound bonds. that just utterly destroy neighborhoods and so many civilians. so this has been you know, have how don't really work fine powder on that is what gave rise to the initial international court justices going that they are possibly is genocide here. and order is to these really governments to take steps to prevent that. and we're not seeing the kind of positive response to that link that would be more helpful to have in your lifetime. can have you ever seen anything like this in which so many members of a population have been dislodged since nearly the entire country? you have the entire northern part of guys are destroyed and flattened. much of the rest uh is underway. you've had the swelling of the population of ross. i go from about 300000 people to over 1400000 people right now. and it's now very much in the,
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in the, in the gun here is if you will, of, uh, both is really and i need to add because i want to ask you about it later. but american military planners that may become a part of that action in rafa. uh and so i'm just wondering, have you seen something like this happen with cameras going with media reporting it and the world watching. i'm just it's, it's astounding me yes or no. i think we have to recognize that there are other militaries that have deliberately targeted. so don't you see that that's what the syrian and russian military did in syria. that's what proven did in chechnya. so we do have examples like badly, of course, you know, have the genocide or you know for that the genocide for wanda. what i think makes deposit exceptional and you were leading to this is both the speed of what has happened and the percentage of the population effect. because, you know, we, i would say what is that
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a quarter of 3 quarters of the population has been forcibly displaced. um, there is about a 3rd to say 35 percent of the buildings that have been damaged or destroyed. i mean, the magnitude and speed of what has happened here, i think, is our president. it's difficult to think back to, you know, any times in a recent history or something comparable. it's taking place. the international court of justice has now ordered is real to unblock the pathways for food and medical supplies. do you think is real will in any way and then to that order and what are the implications if it doesn't? well 1st let's look at what the court did because he's really saying was, we're not blocking a, you know, we're letting the aid and what are you talking about? and the court said, you know, you've got to be kidding. and they cited un reports showing both the extent of discrimination and sense of purpose of the putting people are just not getting what they need to eat. but they also cited reports, obviously,
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management groups that describe, you know, these blockades on the gas and border with egypt. and when we saw this recall, and this has been, you know, why can be reported in the media where, you know, it gets real using these understaffed, slow inspection processing force trucks to wait, you know, 3 weeks before they can enter gossen. they often, you know, find some tiny little item, the claims to use to get the scissors it can be, you know, whatever they find, which forces the truck to go back and start all over again. so you put this kind of bureaucratic obstruction together with this enormous need, and yes, you know, they're letting it bits and pieces of a, but nowhere near what steve. and so the initial part of justice that we get an order. we reject your defense israel. we find that you are, you know, flogging original and type genocide worker. you're not reading the geometry and 80 and a half scale as the un security council i have heard um,
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we're gonna order you to do this again. now, you know, to the dressing, right. question, what happens if they don't, and anybody's real it already shoes? south africa. exploiting the core explaining genocide which you know if there's any expectation taking quite serious these really government, exploding palestinian civilians as a war crime method to try to fight for months on. so israel's given no indication that it's going to comply, even though in the international part of justice ruling is legally binding it back to the question who's going enforced? and they are, is, you know, an official and unofficial answer at the very, the answer is, the one security council for the border enforcement metrics impose sanctions and like that requires getting past the u. s. veto by it and has shown no indication of i'm allowing that they really allowed earlier in the week i'm with the resolution, i think and security council was not a sanctions resolution. it was a state between
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a sense and so on that route to the security council is probably going to be blocked even though it has the security council or to act it really big is all going to come down to one person job. i and joe biden does have the leverage to force that 10. yahoo stop the starvation to stop the bombing of civilians. and that leverage comes through the massive us military aid, $3800000000.00 annually. and the massive ongoing arms sales that permit is really military to continue bombing. this is william population and continue in forcing the blockade and binding has shown 0 inclination to use that leverage. gee, you know, speaks of the game. he says, all the right things. he says, you know, stop the start ration um, take better care and it protects civilians. but he never enforces. and indeed the state of harbor just recently ruled, but his real is not committing work products,
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which is crazy. i mean, you know, nobody believes that, but it said that because that was a legal prerequisite to allow the arms sales to continue. so, you know, sadly it does come back to joe biden. and joe biden is willing to do the report the right thing. but he's not willing to take action to enforce the national part just it's rolling and forcing that security council resolutions. anything that would stop the killing and the stop ation about the streets. so what's going on with president fight? and recently there was a fundraiser in new york that fundraiser had been refreshing until bama, a former president clinton and joe biden. they are, they raised about $26000000.00. the democrats who was disrupted several times by pro palestine protesters. but during his talk there, he said, israel's very existence is at stake. i pay a lot of attention to president biden's comments, and it wasn't until a meeting with the king of jordan here in washington dc. king abdullah, the joe biden ever talked at length about palestinian victims,
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but here he's talking about is real, a superpower, and wondering about its very existence. what are your thoughts? well, you know, it's hard to cycle have a lies job. i mean, as far as the noting that is one of these instances not at stake, it's incredibly powerful. october 7th, was from act because it's rarely students think that's from us, had the capacity, even a breach of support or a sort of we did get an enormous damage, but it was one days worth of damage. it never threatened the user of the state, but i think was by then there are 2 things. one is personal. i think you very much identifies with his, you know, he still thinks the misery all from the early days. you know, this is where his age shows that when he, when he is, you know, why is really david against the client that the combined or of nations. and that's just not the current situation of the superpower israel. that continues, you know, for decades to occupy balustrade, to our drive. but your, i think there also has been a political population in biden's part. you know, he's always been focused on the movable middle of
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a handful of independence that will likely decide november's presidential election . and i think you kind of took for granted his base, and that's a progressive side of the democratic party figuring, you know, they're not gonna go for trump. i don't have to worry about them. i'm just going to focus on that. then we'll go ahead and what he clearly didn't count on. and i, i think the michigan primary, the uncommitted both there demonstrates this is that, you know, some progressive democrats are just so upset by, by the screen lighting of i've got time. yeah. who's killing and start patient and doesn't that they may just abstain. you know, they're not gonna vote for trump, but they may just not vote which is an effective vote for trump. and so in a bind is beginning to focus on that more, i think that's why she allows the un security council resolution to pass earlier this week. but he then, you know, under cut himself and, and, you know, immediately isn't bassett or at the un. i'm devices have spokesperson said, oh, this is a non binding message. now, that's legally true. but it's the real point is political. she's singling
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immediately during that time. yeah. who don't worry about this, you know, we, we had to do this for political reasons, but keep doing what you're doing. and you know, that's, i really said, i think the hope that you know that his constituents, the progressives wouldn't really notice this technicality about whether a security council resolution is binding or now people just focus on the resolution . but people are not that stupid. they see that, yeah, this is just, you know, purchase signaling, but in fact, the reality is biting is still green lighting and worse, really eating and a penny. these were primes by continuing to provide the military aid in the arms. and in one sense, the question i have is whether or not america will have standing in the future to weigh in on human rights to weigh in on values to look at china and send john, look at various abuses it or is it? and it's a parent complicity with some of the arrangements now in this is real clients in costa has it lost standing to be a human rights commentator versus other nations in the future?
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well, i think, you know, frankly, even before october 7th bite is human rights policy was just filled with the exceptions. and that is because even though you know, early in his term, he said, i'm going to be guided by human rights and democratic principles. in fact, you know, for the last year, year and a half or more, she's been focused foremost and building global coalitions against china and rush. and in the process he's been willing to just so it was his eyes to try to address that. so yeah, he's going to embraces this. i lead on prints, even though you know, she's our only one person now, jim braces, egypt, president cc, even though he's presiding over the most repressive state. and he just modern history embraces, embody, even though he's shutting down and democracy in india. and so, you know, we've already seen elements. so i think that, you know, you kind of take it just in jerry and reimbursed approach. you know,
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one possible way to get screwed abide is that if the continues, which i think you guys to care about, the, the competition with china and russia, they can get used to care about ukraine. she is hurting himself by this unequivocal embrace of israel as opposed to other because you know, governments of the global south, but he needs for things like united nations file sir to enforce sanctions. they're saying i but nothing to do with this. and if this has nothing to do with values, nothing do with principles that it's just, it's, you know, political competition. i gotta sit this one out, you know, why is it so important to, to defend you train? if you know the principles that are in the state there, you're just just sending them when it comes to gus. and so i think that there is a get a via list argument for why these values matter. because you know the nations of the world and i've done, they see through this a policy and of the lack of any principle, any even adherence to the so called will based order when it comes to israel is
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going to help us credibility on all those things that washington cares about, as you know, the un special rapid tour on human rights in the occupied palestinian territories. francesca albany has recently told the un human rights council that there were reasonable grounds to believe that israel is committing genocide with intent. very, very powerful statement from her. and it was a remarkable statement from the state. this book, department spokesman, matthew miller, let's listen to it. we have longs for longstanding i, for a long standing period of time to pose the mandate of this special rubber tour, which we believe is not productive. and when it comes to the individual who holds that position, i can't help but note history that i submitted comments that she has made. but with respect to the report itself, we have made clear that we believe that allegations of genocide are unfounded. but at the same time,
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we have are deeply concerned by this number of civilian casualties in gaza. and that's why we have a press the, the government of israel on multiple occasions do everything it can to minimize those civilian casualties. kind of, i would love to hear your reactions to matthew miller statement in your view and this kind of tension over classifying what we're seeing on fold on our tv screens as genocide or not as well. i think this is classic by the administration. double talk, you know, the why and they say all were concerned about spinning casting fees. and the other hand, they try to under caught any serious pressure on israel to stop on and, and the special regulatory statement. it's just the widest example of this. now, you know, there's a big debate about, you know, is this genocide or not? i should say 1st that i think this is a bit of a slide show because while you know, genocide is all horrible concepts the terrible crime um, you know, many people think of it as the worst crime. but what crimes, a horrible problems against dramatic or horrible, and they are, it's pretty clear those are taking place. so given the one problem with this focus
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on genocide is the tentative exculpate israel for the other times that it clearly is committed. now you don't use this genocide or not. um, it's really got to come down to a fairly technical argument type, intent, and others are 2 elements to the crime of genocide is defined by the convention. but the inner i for treaty, i'm one or a series of acts including i'm showing putting rendering conditions of life unbearable, intolerable, of the magnitude of what's happening and gaza, pretty clearly meets at act part of the standard. so it all comes down to intent to israel, acting with the intention to destroy in whole, or in part a national ethnic, racial or images. and in the interest report, adjuster said there's a plausible change to be made here. citing, you know, a series of statements by senior israeli officials. you know, president hertzog, who said there are no on involved civilians or defense minister. don't want to
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refer just human animal. so you know, not just from us, but anybody affected by this, each. in other words, the entire civilian population of i have cause. so there are statements like that. and the other hand, you know, some of the generals are smart enough to say, you know, no, we're just trying to enforce matter and law. a lot of this intent argument is going to come down to their reading content from the actions, you know, from the indiscriminate bombardment from the district part detached from the, the start of ation strategy. and, you know, does this add up to intention on your part is going to come down to how the court in trowbridge set. if you look at genocide as a means to an end, that is to say, it'll just show off enough palestinians so that you chase them out of golf, which is what some of the far right ministers like ben to be here. and so rich explicitly asked or, um, that's one view just that was sort of what the myanmar army did to chase ro changed into bangladesh. another g that was to say that, you know,
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genocide has to be only and that can be a means to an end. it has to be just the final solution. so anybody can get your hands off. and that, of course, you know, this is not what's going on and drops it right now. so a lot is going to come down to really how does the current view that says that a not just see the intent as one of 2 or more or does it have to be the soul intact and, and the parts just if you decide this has been fairly conservative, if you look back at the probation for sort of the case, it seemed to apply that the intent has to be sold, in which case it's not gonna find you on a side. but if israel continues to piss off the cord, is it's doing now by just loading it's orders. the court may feel comfortable what i think would be a more sensible interpretation of all the, which is to say, you've got multiple attempts. one of them can be genocide, and if that's the standard israel is going to be down. you can or you heartened it all, by the ambivalence that young democrats and younger americans have about this conflict. and you can see it in the following poll numbers of joe biden with
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a lot of use you are, i'm going to just be honest with you. you were, i'm on for a fellowship at harvard that that fellowship was rescinded. a lot of people look at it and worried it was your 4th right. comments on this kind of crisis in some of this real sections that may have led to the rescission of that invitation to be at harvard. but i'm just watching within the political realm in the united states. young people don't have the same mindset towards this as president biden. we also see the black community softening and support for joe biden, because they look at this as a social and racial justice issue as well. and so i'm just interested, as you kind of look at the us political scene, are you heartened by some of the trends that we see today? the 1st has to go back to the appropriate thing just to kind of fill out the picture. i mean, i was explicitly rejected because of my criticism of israel, and then when there was the how ordering of protest, the dean reversed it. so i'm going to need, i'm speaking to today from her. so the fellowship was reinstated and i continue to
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hold it. now, as for your question, you know, there is a real shift among the younger generation which, you know, doesn't remember entitled israel all they've ever, natalie is the israel, of the occupation, israel of apartheid. these are a lot of, you know, periodic designation of, of, of, of the awesome. and so these are people who are becoming the democratic party and are clearly challenging this presumption that the democrats just let us know, do whatever they want. and i think that, you know, even within the american jewish community, we're seeing, you know, real shift, you still have, you know, a pack which you know, represents do whatever you, nothing now wants. you know, that's the kind of conservative part of the american jewish community. and that's what we open already, and what we're seeing is more and more americans use saying, this is not what my religion stands for. this is what i was, what i was brought up to value. and they recognize that there was a distinction between this far right is really government and israel, that's
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a distinction he doesn't want you to talk about. but that is a distinction that many democrats and many americans now make. now, interesting way, you know, net time yahoo is basically given up on the american journey. he's still, you know, embrace has a pack. but when he looks to who his constituents are, their christian evangelicals, it's republican party. and i think he understands that the democratic party is not going to put up with the kind the far right policies. but he needs to pursue in order to stay in power because, you know, he's not a matter of just, you know, him having a handful of our right ministers. those far right ministers, sold 11 boats and the can assets, you know much more then then the margin of natural gas with majority. so she needs to apply to the start right. in order to stay in power and avoid the corruption prosecution. that is underway. and so that is a, you know, a recipe for losing that democratic party and losing it. you know, a good part of america is proceeding to pull shot. so, you know,
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i suppose you can face hardening, but i think that this, you know, blank check. but that's and yet who has tended to receive from the us government. that is not a view that is shared by the american people. joe biden hasn't come around well, and they're kind of thank you so much. princeton university visiting professor and senior fellow at harvard university and former president human rights watch. kenneth ross, thank you so much for joining us today. thanks for having me. so what's the bottom line? gaza is in the depths of an ongoing nightmare. and even more palestinians are going to starve and die if there is no change soon in the politics and direction of this conflict, the world watches is one of the world's most important courts, monitoring human rights violations order. it is real to address the famine it is costing gaza. but let's face it is real, can ignore pressure because it has been us running defense us. the extension of the un security council might have been meant as a message, but we should all remain pretty skeptical with israel's leadership. can we be
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softball signals, stopping israel's war is going to take something bolder than an order from the world court, or a resolution from the you. when the u. s. has to say it will not be part of a genocide. an order is we'll just stand down full stop only that will really end this chapter of this conflict. and that's the bottom line, the, the devastating strikes followed by her weak rescue. because that's 1st responders. no, the new mission could be their last. but until then, the humanity drives one day with because the civil defense witness rescue mission because i want to just as this one sits in the village of i boot in the occupied
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with bang. the bit of multi family is getting the dinner table ready to break their dainty fast. but the buzz around the table is missing, the woman who used to put it all together in that. but lucy was the rest of the week before the start. this is really officials have not given their reason yet for detaining her during, at 8 of the home. if you could on that, there's a way in the look at the house. one is not missing 12, or even see members of his property 5 in the occupied west bank, at least 9000 listed in families are missing. at least one loves one at the start table. system. a little boat is a mechanic or even that self driving train. the vehicle that androids today can be really human. only robots like me, will be everywhere else is 0 documentary, which to lead on the weird and wonderful world of global loan thing for you. and
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even trust, i feel like i'm alive, but i know i am a machine. origin of this is of the
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grief in southern gaza. he is really military strikes the city of rough, again as the number of palestinians killed since october passes. $0.33 the spencer of any age. good to have you with us. this is elsa 0 life from the also coming up, beating and boucher. we hear accounts of torture from a palace.

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