an artist who used his talents to encourage unity and equality for me to millet caught up with him. i don't know if a double cross x rays or in reach and with an important track, simply titled, nelson, montana was it was written by musicians. people hot stakes my booster in support of the freedom fighter who had been imprisoned for 27 years. it was just natural, as a musician you, you feel the importance, the contribution that one could make in writing a song like that. the song itself was a contribution, a reading, calling for nelson mandela's release.

this is one of dozens of songs linked to solve africa's fight for freedom, which a no performed by musicians locally and abroad. medusa worked with global stones like maria mckayla, and you must have kayla between the bringing awareness to the struggle of millions of south africans quoting for into a part to south africa held its 1st and aquatic election in 1994 and helped me god . oh, how can i go? and then i was elected president. the city is on civil presidents and administrations later. critics say south africa struggling with a poor economy and governance corruption and crime. it is important for us to see some of the good things that happened with them, of course, and of course, we have not dealt with poetry. we have not dealt with those who came up to us were homeless. we have no doubt with a, a, our have issues them any challenges that will fit the youth, the young people, what i am unemployed. but it doesn't mean that nothing has been done,

but boost this is despite the challenges many young filled africans today. one of them, his daughter, a former opportunities and before music and arts played a significant role in south africa's fight for democracy. and so what so and other places songs quoting for freedom pins decades ago, still sung today when people want to express and go with this content. and often people here have a lot to complain about a while democracy bowed, significant change and freedoms for many here, the government is not fulfilled. some of its promises while sold africa remains one of the most unequal societies in the world. to meet him a little older 0, so we 2 and that's it for now, generation changes next on else is 0. the communities with santa, when he's one of the world's most expensive tibits in the black box to try his

destination for one on one a investigates. the spot to capture can be assigned to wood. king, one out the very low carnes and public confrontation, young people across the u. k. of putting their bodies on the line to force the attention of the issues that might so to them. meanwhile, t u. k. government is coming down approaches. it considered as disruptive and anti social with new rules and hostile consequences. welcome to generation change a global series attempt to understand and challenge the ideas that might provides you around. well, today we meet 2 active s p 's different methods to push and nobody's to change. whether it's direct action or engaging with a political system. they come pain or issues ranging from the crime emergency to migrant light and the play belong straight.

the says that to me you born in canada to somebody parents that you grew up here in london. what prompted to see the doctors and see what and so the said for me was growing up in the early 2, thousands of the backdrop of the rock floor everywhere you loved me, was talking about most firms and talking with people that looked like me. and i think that sold me with a lot of anger and kind of confusion and i became quite upset to politics if i didn't engage in that politics was definitely engaged with me in my identity and setting the terms of ident, about topic i think people are familiar with the time climate crisis. so climate imagine feed,

you've spoken about climate justice. what do you mean when you to find that for a long time we've talked about climate change as an environmental issue, right? but climate change is a symptom of a system not breaking down and not working and responsible for a lot of other injustices. so whether we're talking about racial injustice, whether we're talking about the housing crisis, or inequality at the heart of it is an economy that prioritize is profit and profit for the few. and then is pondering people on time. so we have the same companies who are responsible for the vast majority of emissions are also responsible for poor working conditions and low wages. those are responsible for not paying taxes and who has to pick up the bill people. so when we talk about climate justice, we talk about building a hopeful vision of the future. that means we can tackle other social injustices

and the pursuit of timeframe pharmacists. the people would say that there are many sign it movements of the name that we find a against the climate crisis. say, where did you see a got a new organization green you do rising in june, the rising. we have invited an analysis of things that the climate move in hasn't necessarily gotten right. one of them is my time limit for a long time has been white and middle time us. and we will know in order to be something as big as climate change. we need everyone as a how do we include everyone's? what if we've built an economy that's the only priority was to serve people in panic. we would have an economy that invested in communities that don't wealth for communities that live within planetary boundaries because we're investing in renewables and public transport. and that's what we're doing. i'll bring it to a rising as we're talking about the green deal, which is an economic transformation that allows us to thrive in the future and

tackle climate change. the other thing for different about what we're doing is for political or main tack, it take us to find them keys and hold them accountable in terms of challenge and to film them so that we have them on record. and when we put them on line, you know, it's up to the electorate to decide whether these people are for us and against us . there's not much traces, i like to go, that's right. for she, one of our most part popular challenges is when we challenge pretty fatality, the former home secretary who's passing upon to kind of offshore refugees and migrants to lawanda for processing. and we went to a fundraising dinner. she was hosting an disruptive that, that engaged in the and actually it wasn't buyer or i think a lot of people looked at it and ask themselves why it's time to this. talking about migration seems like the rwanda times are just a distraction to get us to be angry at migrants. people who just want better lives

in opportunities. instead of being angry at a political class that is just taking more and more from working people and giving us less than return or the it or your dad is published in your mom is a rock a. so you were born and bred in the u. k. how did your family story and background check your what would be? well, for my family, we were actually the only ones from both sides of the family to have her come to a western country. so i have most of my thoughts how many living in georgia, and on the next style, i don't all of my mom's family, we live in, get it right. so when you go past, prove that kind of background, it's very difficult to not be political your way

as a young person. what was your 1st kind of experience of activism in doing the type of work that you do? so i was researching into my university and i said, of course i have estimate of sanctions campaign. i've got many students and academics and thoughts and then later went on to replicate. there's some other universities and this really laid the foundations for, for what like to respond as part of sign action. the . can you tell me a little bit about palestine action? well, let's each one to start to. so how do i sound action? is there a direct talk soon that what on our main focus on our main target is out, but systems which is as low as largest dom spend as specifically it was thought is because all of the i've been used to bring in alms and ball go between bricks and is where i've had failed and clear things through the political process through

labor specifically which i was involved in. and when every other route fails, then tie with action was to be left open for us. so we started off by initially storming into that headquarters in london, stay forensic across the offices, and kept going back again and again. and eventually mom, while people joined our, our network. so one of that and must have factories and old them was boss too. so i must have lost and they were false to binds and that one that has cost is so for us, we want to continue to grow with this movement until all of our big sites will shut down in this country. can you explain why is chosen speak, some elvis systems may produce the vast majority of as well as military drone plates. and we've seen how this is used on the cops of population of gauze uh, routinely. they market them as possible tested or compact proof and, and then use that to sell onto, or that rate james across the wells. they can use it against the people of

customers. for example, iraq, afghanistan, and many other places also against refugees here who were trying to seek safety in this country. they also build electronics for the apartheid wall. the same system is being used between us and mexico, so we can see how it starts off in palestine, and it is used against other people across the wells. can you explain exactly what risks you run yourself in order to carry this out? we were quite heavily targeted, i think at the start of palestine action, we saw that followed up by res. i'm on our homes, but the co found is, is include thing arresting. richard bonnet, it's another co found for black mound. and this was asked that he said that he would go in hunger strike if the landlord did not fixed out but. and they did continue to charge several of the squares that so were facing towards the black mile advocates thursday to collect from the damage. and since thursday to bug on

guessing the rest is kind of positive, the plan is not the end of the process. but it's, i'd say in the call process in itself is an extension of the action. and is why we can try and force his complaints to basically give out information that they would not normally give out. but you are running a real risk ask and you know, status games presents. if this continues to operate in a mall, more lives are going to be taken, and so i'm more than willing to accept the prison. as a consequence, i will still be a lot better off than most people who have to you at the end of these weapons to kick things off, i just want to ask and then you can always gone through so many big changes. do you think that young people are disillusioned or do you think they all politically engaged? active, what's your opinion of them? i mean, i think both, i think young people are, does this illusion that i'm one of them,

but we are also political. i think we're in this period, we're actually social activism and social movement. i've never been more active and imaginative, but it's the political elite. and you know, i look toral politics, but i think is what's the solution in young people because we have a electronical system in a voting system, not a is not representative it but also push people with bold action. they want their economy to work for them in their communities. they want action on climate change. they want investment in our public services. the only reason we survived the pandemic were pete because of front line service workers. i thought we all agreed during the time that back that those are the people that should be at the heart of our communities. they are the people that we should be investing in. and the only reason that and bold action is because we still have in place political leaders who somehow haven't caught up with a consensus. the fact is that many young people are the summation with a political system. but i think a way more political than, than ever before because the political system,

i mean like told politics has failed. so many people, and i think a situation of call been and leave as well on a lot of young people into poly politics. and they felt like that was a very cool change. and when that didn't work for myself, at least it opened my ours to realizing that we cannot afford to invest our time into a system that wasn't designed for us. but that doesn't mean that there isn't ways that we can be politically active and change our society from the grassroots rather than through, appealing to the powers that be to create those changes for us. i mean, i would say that i don't see social movements being successful unless they have a political weight and so it's not about whole. so giving up on like toral, of them are politics. it's about trying to use the power of social movements from the grass roots to kind of course that change and we, we see it happening around the world actually enlighten america. we're seeing the hopes of that sort of political wing of progress,

the politics starting to take power. you know, if you look at your life, for example, and while we had that defeat in 2019 with carbon sleeper, i do see, you know, i'm probably not a good enough to see that there is another way into power. we just need to build stronger movements. i think for climate change it may be slightly different and you're right, you do needs a complete overhaul of the system which will require the state and the government to get behind it. but i think when it comes to see imperialism and politics and support of the policy and people, then jeremy colbin was an exception. i believe what we've had for the past 100 years of successive governments, and no politician in this country has ever shut down an alms back today. whereas people have faith, if you'll nathan's all quite young. and they were founded around 2019, which was just the full of the bible pandemic. and then, you know, we've had the war in ukraine when you look at one of those issues on the outside. how do you think they impacted your what i'm,

what you were trying to achieve. so we started at an interesting time in 2019. um, it was a time when it was kind of the kind of activism around climate change. i don't think i've ever seen before. you had, you know, extinction rebellion we had to time of strikers. you have the u. k. announcing the 1st sort of net 0 target by 2050 in the world. and then early in 2020, a pandemic came, people were suddenly talking about government intervention. we're talking about investment instead of austerity. we're talking about building back a better and not going back to the economy pre pandemic. and coming out of the pandemic, we have the claim war, which put stressors across europe, particularly on energy supply. and what we saw was the u. k announced new north sea oil and gas. and that's put us in a really difficult position because investing in new fossil fuel infrastructure doesn't help us meet our me, our energy needs now. and it doesn't lower energy bills, but also just puts us in perpetual crisis because the climate crisis is not going

anywhere. who the id feel about all of the big events that happened recently is and how that directly impacts what you're doing. yes sir, for some context we launched at the end of july 2020. and then in may 2021. this has when we saw a fruit and installed the people of gaza, people being forced out the homes and and jerusalem. and we saw must it increase and people following and joining public time option and supporting the cause. during that time, there was a factory and full activities has climbed onto the top of the reef, all set fox 3 in less the and move in a couple of hours. hundreds from the local community came out support those acts today. and then we saw the fire service pull out and says, and refusing states, the place that we will not meet these protesters. so for us, it was about go straight to these arms companies,

specifically out but systems and bypassing the political process. and that strategy also expose the fact that this company exists here because many alms companies, they kind of hides in plain sight in these factories and industrial towns that you wouldn't know if this is as well as between that one. and the one next, all which bills tories for children. and we found it to be extremely successful where it was before we had never seen that type of success and forcing the closure of is really arms factories in this country. 2022. so people across the u. k facing flooring in place and, and a rapidly rising cost of living prices that plus prices and strikes in $1.00 industry after another from pedestal and transport work has fidel cuz annoyed so i want to know what break if you think about how far it is that you should be able to go to, in terms of getting your points across and i think it's destined for different

movements. so for the change strikes on is the bread and butter. so in order for them to gain the right to mass salary and they divide, so basically i have as well cuz then it's necessary for them to disrupt the tray line. i think paula said action is quite different though to was extinct rebellions tactics. mainly because expansion volume is more focused on disrupting at the public as a whole, as a way of posting pressure on the government in order to enact that they, they radical change. it needs on the climate, whereas for us we are more focused on directly disrupting the companies we talk with using weapons. so that was less impact on the public. i was, i was just, i just had the are usually about his inaction goes a step further, then extinction. rebellion smashing up. yeah. conference rooms causing damage to the property. so how do you justify that?

well, when that smashing off an honest company west of pink, that ability to produce weapons. and i think many people with a gray that you kind of put a price on one human life. you can put a price on a window or a fax or a, a reef, for example. i'm not sure never come at the cost of human life if you saw a child with as a human being about to be high. and you had to knock down at all in order to help them, you know, cut all it all down without hesitation. and that's exactly the same principle. do you have anything that you would add? yeah, absolutely. i am a student of social movements and we often are to a white washed version of whether it's martin luther king or gandhi, or the women's rights movements. huge parts of those movements took direct action that really did stop daily life going on for people are politicians. and so we're going to need movement set, take

a variety of different actions. and the fact that we're in a day and age where we think striking workers removing their labor as being extreme . well, who said we have a right over their labor, right? if we're not creating a conditions that are fair for them to work and why should they not down their tools? and so i've been really inspired to see the union leaders that have been on our television articulating the fears and hopes of ordinary working people in 2020 to k government, 14 legislation to come back with you as disruptive person now in the public or the bill. coming through parliament wants to introduce even hoster will. we will also increase a maximum penalty to disrupt and remote away criminalize into fairness which she infrastructure such as roast railway and our free press on here's the please. i'm the quote new power. it's not a human rights design device prophecy. don't mind freedom of expression to protest

by the police. no, you just stop right. well, glue yourself to the road and get away with it. critics who these messages to threaten the long standing democratic freedom. the government says they are needed because recent protest by minority of actually they have been dangerous training public funds. and so i bet he's linked resources. what do you think about these new knows and bills and they affect they'll have and do you think it will impact the way you move forward? i think people embrace them for a long time is to thank the author are terry and is in was the domain of certain country as well. actually, you know, britain has exercised it around the world for a long time. and now it's here at home and trying to curtail protests on one side. it shows that we're being impactful because actually the, the government is needing to legislate on specific types of protests. on the other hand, i think a lot of people are worried. i've just seen in spaces when we're talking about protests and thinking about the type of actions that we are planning these bills

package are written they factor into who's willing to take these action. it is an incredibly hostile moment for our movements, but this is the moment we can let them when, because it becomes the new norm. and then therefore we're unable to sort of closed back and you're right. so if we left, that becomes something that's accepted that are you running, those are still ready or running the risk of things and to present and how do you feel about all of this happening? because i'm all attack 6 already based on direct action. i'm over the criminalized . the new bills don't affect toes that much, but actually the more they try and repress, i'm put on new laws and new bells. i think the more people actually move towards more radical types of options. we saw recently at the end to monica, a protest, people coming investors for just starting slogans like who elected them. you can face the rest for that. then one of the rest is for shutting down an honest company

. i think that what they are, what they've done is go to and by clashing and help movements, what the government says that these bills are necessary. because guerrilla tactics used by small minority of protest is of course, disproportionate impact on the hardware. actually majority seeking to go about that everyday lives. what do you make the argument we looked at for the breakdown, the climate and, and in order to get the message across that forced into a situation where that falls into blocking the general public, then it's for the great to got by thing. when people take more drastic action in response and wrong, and i'm blaming those activists, we have to plan the government who didn't act fast. just to be kind of illuminate a bit more we did. we did an action over the summer where we disrupted the hot springs of the conservative party who were trying to choose their new leader. and i disrupted the speech of less trustworthy.

the her reaction in that moment as i was being dragged away, was like show that militant act to this, such as extinction, rebellion, no stable to disrupt ordinary people. what caused do the right thing, a guarantee what they want to create a situation where the government of the day decides what they think is fair, what they like. who are the good guys, who are the bad guys? democratic societies don't work like that. democratic societies are wanting to allow for there to be debate that allows for people to have different opinions for people to organize and help determine that their future. and we're slowly sort of looking away from that kind of society, them into one that's governed by a few. if you could take a step back and imagine the world that you want to see, what is it that you want to see the future lecture, my m a u k i one a,

a future where we have we're sort of democratic renee, so some people are able to be involved in decision making and that decisions as a society are based on what benefit people and benefit planner over process. you know, with the timeline of climate change wants to gary. i think we have opportunity in this window to make sure that the way that we tackle the climate crisis is one that has just to set its heart. but there is a risk, right? i think governments will find a way to tackle climate change, but it's not secure that they're going to do it in a way that's fair. i think everyone now believes climate change exists and the main street and the fight is over, how we tackle it. and we want to make sure we tackle it in a way that protects our communities. what by you had, i mean your future might involve time in prison and but if you would kind of imagine that the seats that we're going to pay off, how would it look? well, i think the of the 1st one would be and i'm to as well as arms chase and dress. and i bought for many people or rather brothers, one of the walls,

largest export of arms. i'm a tiny island, as are so much roots back to here. so if it has a must have overhauled of that whole industry for that kind of thinking and tactics to be transported to other countries. and then i believe, you know, hopefully within a lifetime we can see if we palestine before that to happen, we need sanctions and the government's own. going to do it so the people have to do it themselves. and fatima, thank you so much for speaking with me today. this

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