so i'll just say what is most i last available in your favorites apps to just set for it and type download the new app from out to 0 new at you think is it on the move in 200 days have passed since israel launched it's war i'm calling in response to the attack by him. us points has killed over a 1000 is radius on october. the 2nd the number of casualties keeps rising molded, 13 full 1000 palestinians have been killed. most of them women and children, another $77000.00 wounded. thousands more of missing believed to be buried under the rubble of homes, businesses, hospitals, and schools. the us has a child in guns that is killed or wounded every 10 minutes. and 60 percent of all houses are being damaged or destroyed and is the will quite for

a c spot on an end. the violence question arises. what will the day off to look like for garza once the war is over? to him, so this united nations appointed for with dutch deputy prime minister secret colleague, a senior humanitarian and reconstruction coordinator for goza. permission to spearhead humanitarian relief and reconstruction efforts and the strip in her 1st and long format interview, the u. n. senior humanitarian and reconstruction coordinate to secret cog talks about the secret cog senior humanitarian and reconstruction coordinator for gaza, for the united nations. thank you for talking to alex. is there another last time you run this program was 15 months ago. then you were the deputy prime minister, the netherlands, you served as your country is foreign minister and finance minister. now you have all complete one of the 2 office jobs in the world. the person you worked for is

the you inspector general antonio terrace. but some diplomats on the security council told me the person who was really pushing for the job was the united states . and the us secretary of state and he blinked and he wanted you to have this job. does that help you in your task having his backing? well, i think in general you need to have the support of the counsel. um, it's always important to have obviously the key players, in this case a country such as united states be from your rallying behind the purpose of the resolution to have the support of but ultimately it's also my role to make sure that there's unity of purpose that the voice and the members of the council are behind the resolution and our mission. and then it's up on us with that strong backing to try to deliver under quite difficult and complex circumstances. let's look at your job because it's mandated by un security council. resolution is got 2 parts, humanitarian and reconstruction of the goal is to strip. let's start with the humanitarian

part because the humanitarian situation, i think you would agree, could not be more graham. we have the brutal bombardment of gauze that going on now for almost 7 months. and we also have a problem and to, oh the, the, the situation and also when you visit the guys are itself. and obviously, i'm hoping i hope the journalist will be allowed to go to go to gallons or international jonas sooner or later when you see the situation on the ground. it is near upper politic old areas where, you know, houses were standing before or destroyed. we know the health facilities more than 84 percent from damage to totally destroyed every way you turn everywhere you go, you see destruction. and above all, i think more importantly, there's human despair. people are huddled together and very dehumanizing conditions, no water. and the garbage is collected is, is collecting industry 3 is a long list,

you know, where to low g 0 is reporting that constantly. so it is, it is more than green. on top of that, of course the, the number of people amongst the civilian population that our food is secure or, and living in near family like conditions, particularly in the north. or of course, not only deeply troubling. it also calls upon us to trying to do more to reach them . busy to do as much as we can because if you have been malnourished either as a child or your afflicted conditions of malnutrition, this is like a lifetime of fiction. we've seen this in other countries settings, but not like this. i keep trying to remember each time i go to gaza. um if i saw a similar images of this level of destruction, for instance in syria i'm, it's very hard and one has to be very careful to compare one country situation or setting with another. so if i just focus on the gaza strip alone, um i find it very uh, personally,

also very troubling to see that uh that houses are no longer there. and when you drive through, when we go with this, you and convoys on top of the bubble or in between the totally destroyed houses and streets filled with the 3 people pop up. and you wonder, are they there to look for something in there? or, you know, place of dwelling, are they staying around? are they trying to pick up, attend? if it makes it even more easy, i would say, but ultimately, what are people looking for safety protection roof over their heads will attend the water. they want to pick up their lives and it's, it's a very, very disturbing side, so to speak. but again, i'm a visitor, we're trying to help. ultimately, we have to place the civilians of guys at the center of all our efforts. so about us, some of them, your colleagues, the commission to general of under a fleet. lots of really has describes the aspect of this, which is the famine as

a man made from and tightening its grip. is starvation and your view being used as a weapon full. i don't think i'm i could to, i'm in the, in a position to, to state it in that way. but we need to see, and that's the, that's the main stay of my task is to see that actually volume diversity, the right level of goods from foods to medicine, health equipment, you name it, goes in and keeps going in, is allowed in, can be distributed and it reaches the people, of course, the, the recent, the months until the 5th of april, when there was very little supply going in, left it on reaching people. the due to all the conditions on the ground has left serious serious marks on the building of people. and as i just mentioned, children who been malnourished, not only do they need to refute,

exceeding that he's special support. but what i understand from the medically qualified people, this leaves marks for a much longer time. it's still just a matter of, you know, eating up a little bit where you do a little bit extra and you'll be fine. these are very serious afflictions. so our task and i think that's also the imperative behind resolution 27. 20 which i have to implement is to scale up. and my focus is to achieve a paradigm shift significant number of people in gaza or between food as secure as well as a living in situations of near like simon, we need to tackle that because indeed this is a little natural disaster. and we have the means and we need to achieve it. let me ask you about the city of rafa. the very southern end, because this trip on the border with egypt, normal population $270000.00 people. now more than 5 times that number living there

about 1500000 palestinians. what are the conditions that like to now a well overcrowding thought of people daytime either looking for food trying to find water or perhaps go to the sea to wash themselves or their clothes. um, every week you go or every 2 weeks i've been you see an increased number of tents. the roads are as a result also blocked. people are just desperately trying to get by. you know, i, i, i imagine at the moment, if you're in garza as many policies and guys have told me when a living, we feel like zombies were just trying to get through the day and the day is spent on trying to get the food queuing for water, and if you're very lucky, maybe once a week or once a month starting to get a very low line to get a very limited amount of cash that you actually need to buy anything else. so life has been up and it and prospects are very,

very green. and many of these people have come from different parts of the gaza strip. they've moved several times. this is the last place of refuge. and yet, this is the place where israel says, despite protests from all around the world, including from the us that is going to carry out an offensive. what is your reaction to that? what, what, what, what does it mean for rafa if that were to happen as well? i think from the inside, not only are we are we stating very clearly and pleading for this operation, not to take place because it would compound and already profound humanitarian crisis into a, into a catastrophe. people have no place to go. they also weak the very vulnerable i, i, i personally can't see a number of people even having the, the mental strength or the physical strength to pick up their belongings and move one more time. they've been told on a number of occasions to move. um,

i'm not quite sure if they have the yeah, as i said, the stamina to undergo to undergo this for us also. we don't even know if we're off a hope ration were to happen. if we could reach people, if we actually are in a position to support them, so the strong political play remains don't. yeah. despite that the, the is right. the prime minister benjamin netanyahu says the bible plans are all confirmed. he says that the even being a date set for this operation, as you know, prime minister netanyahu doesn't pick up the phone to your boss, antonio gutierrez. he's not spoken to him once since all of this stuff, it's 7 months ago. he does talk to you though, and you've mentioned a number of times including a few days ago. is he listening at least to the us concerns about the rough operation as well. i mean, i, i, i've, i've had indeed a number of 12 meetings with the time it was an engine, joe, and other members of his work cabinet. also separately. i like to think that

a arbor, it's an, an our orientation of what we, what we see. and what we, what we cannot support are very clearly heard, but i believe also that is very of work cabinet is making its own decisions. have they shared with you any proposals or how they plan to evacuate the people from rafa. i have not seen the plan. uh, i know that uh in, in, in jerusalem a number of my colleagues had been invited. i don't know if they've met already to sort of to be a praise, so to speak of the, of what's of this very government would call a humanitarian plan when it comes to the evacuation of civilians. but the u. n of course is not enabling a war effort. so these are different conversations. um i, i don't know the details of what is in the humanitarian plan, but you only have to look at that off. and the density of the guys are stripped,

the levels of destruction, the fact that civilians have actually nowhere to go to know what i said before, that this is compounding over the very profound and deep humanitarian crisis. throughout the war on garza israel has continually targeted hospitals including up to the biggest hospitals, the i'll ship a hospital in kansas city, the national hospital in con eunice wet mass graves of even being uncovered. how worried are you about the hospitals in rafa, given that they are probably some of the only medical facilities still operating and they can also stress? well, let's take room for family, read whatever is still left standing or semi functioning, or partial partially functioning. only a few hospitals or medical facilities lifts to function. if these are also a input cost it or for the damaged, this immediately affects the ability to actually meet the most basic needs in terms of health care of the civilian population. now,

if there's an operation and are further civilian casualties, you also need to trauma care. you need to have a place to go safely and be treated. there's a whole chain on folding, which of course will be performed to be effected. it'd be seen the number of fees, fuel hospitals, when i wasn't guys last week or, or a few days before that. i visited francis c o m c field hospital. but we have familial trauma care under very difficult circumstances. but of course you don't want to go there. you do not want to be in a position where you have additional casualties. additional children being wounded, the there caretakers, their parents or others. that's why i've, as you know, the humans position is very clearly to, to improve or to not undertake, but off of operation and strongly, i think supported by most of the international actors and countries alongside are cool. let's talk about the delivery of humanitarian aid into gaza. in almost 7

months, only a trickle of the much needed food medicine and other supplies has gone in. i know perhaps they've been some recent slight improvements, but tell me why is this aid not guessing? and i've been covering this daily and i really can come to no other conclusion than israel is deliberately not less than get in. this way the government has taken a number of measures adopted the commitments from opening of crossings, diversification extended, working hours, repairs of, of, of, of water over in the halls of water pipelines. this i think is a start, but it needs to be sustained and it needs to be expanded the period before that indeed, we were all asking for an increase in the number of trucks asking for some of the measures actually that had been a that on the 5th of april, and we need much more. did you say that there was a change on april the 5th that followed a phone call between president biden and problem this the nest in yahoo!

on april, the 4th, apparently a pretty tense 5 and cool. israel has now promised that it will, it will allow way to go through areas in the north, for example, and use ash told port, which is just the, the 34 kilometers from errors. but the us officials that talked about flooding the zone that's not happening, is it? yeah, well, you can put it on the verb flooding the zone, i understand. but unless you benchmark it or you give a qualifying a indicator to it. i think it's, it's, it's hard to say what we're saying is we need a lot more and we need a variety of goods, not just flower, for basic medicine. these to be across the range and it needs to be all over the gaza strip in a consistent manner. and whether we can then call it flooding or no clothing. i myself, i've used that for before. i think what i'd like to get to is a metric. what do people need on a daily basis to actually have the essential elements they need for human dignity

to live? what do you need for protection? what do you need and health care? what do you need and food and more, and that's where we're trying to put the metrics around. and then we can work our way back and say, okay, that's interesting. this is what's going in every day. i want to move everybody away from counting trucks. country trucks is a full symmetric, some trucks or half empty. others don't get to distribute properly or get looted. we need to see what reaches people. if it reaches civilians, they receive it. they can consume it. they can use it, that's when we can start to measure about impact. that's what this is all about. so do we have the meet you safe and on him, the delivery of humanitarian assistance at scale? why am i choosing that quote, because it's from the resolution 2720, the one that sets up up your job. israel is not complying with that resolution or 2 of the security council resolutions o. 2 professional meshes ordered by the international court of justice the,

the world stopped, but to use it, we spent a number of months trying to get to the point. i would say of an increase in volume inconsistency as a stand ability. and it hasn't been easy and ultimately it's still been easy 1st and foremost and only for the civilians in gaza. they have barely survived. and we see that in the levels of malnutrition, we see that in the injuries that they've sustained receives in the absence of treatment to what we need to see and working towards is indeed to get to a place of safe and secure delivery. some of these measures that were adopted or very important for that, but much more as needed, which is why i'm calling for a paradigm shift and we can qualify that, which isn't this cute why. in the security council, i listed a number of the measures that are either under implementation, but need acceleration, or whether we still need a lot of work and action. i will give you a very simple example. we may have filled trucks, but if they can't pass over the do to bad roads,

they can't reach people. so we might have the volume. but unless you can reach people, you need all these elements to be fixed and this requires acceleration and immediate follow up. continuous follow up by these very authorities, and in this case, by the idea of the us military love, the acronym is this one. he had j lot. so the joint logistics over the show all that's the. yeah. but they're planning to build. why is it necessary to bring a didn't by ship, isn't this a totally inefficient way of doing things? well, perhaps in other, other settings. wonderful build immediately think of it. however, before we set that a full ropes, a can lead to diversification increase of the type of assistance that can enter gaza. i've always considered the merits on core to when it was 1st being discussed as a potentially a pool as a potential avenue actually for recovery and reconstruction materials in the period

. the past, however, and with food is security levels being so high and fears of thumb and particularly affecting northern guys are the civilians. there the discussions acceleration then, you know, present vitamin announced that in the state of the union, the us would engage on building disappear. now the peer provides for an additional additional route to get a into gaza across across the strip can be beneficial. it's certainly not cheap, absolutely tensile so the push will always remain to focus really on long, long. but the additional avenue of american quarter can be helpful. that's why the united nations also already from february, has as confirmed its willingness to be part of this endeavor under certain conditions. and if certain parameters would be met, we have to, we have to sort of maximize all efforts and explore 11 use to reach people. that's what this is all about. same for francis, the air drops on wouldn't necessarily think of it under any other circumstance. but

it has happened, it's a response to despair and inability to reach people. i'm just telling me about those conditions that the u. n. has, i'm told, is the world food program that's going to be distributing this aid. not on the u. n . agency that has the most capacity in gaza to distribute aid and isn't it a breach of the you ends, neutrality and impartiality principles to be involved in an operation that so closely tied to the us and is rightly military's, well, this is precisely why we've engaged in the extended discussions a to ensure the parameters are obviously in terms of our neutrality, impartiality, and also safety and security are met a and i'm not going to go, but i've all true the details we're, i think we're, we're nearly there. we hope so. but there are also other partners that are willing to be part of the effort to receive and distribute potentially a number of and deals that have the same concerns. and united states is,

is very aware of these concerns and takes them very seriously. this is also why it's taking longer to sort of, to step forward and say, okay, yes, we are part of this in terms of the distribution. um, but it's, it's, it's a critical element and hopefully it will be resolved because it will be addressed over $200.00 humanitarian workers. have died in gaza sofa in the will. that's the highest number in any recent conflicts that seems to be totally unacceptable. the majority of those who died a palestinian, but on april the 1st a group of international aid workers in the world, central kitchen with targeted and killed all 77, died in the attack. this must be particularly shocking for you, because you are in gauze around the time. and you met some of them hours before they died. yes, i. and maybe every innocent live that has lost a is a tragedy,

especially in war. um, it feels very senseless and uh, having met the, the, the 2 young professionals uh at the pier because i went on the sort of 1st visit 1st encounter. i was so struck by their pride, their sense of purpose. and i would say the very humble joy they took being able and be in a position to actually what they would say is feed families in gaza. and it is very strange to then wake up a number of hours later um to, to here actually that they, that they passed a and it's, yeah, and we've seen also the international reaction and the outrage and the subsequent steps that have been taken. but my condolences in my hearts are with the their friends and families, as with oh, you minute here and workers. let's talk about the reconstruction part of your job because there was a recent report. it's called an interim damage assessment. note from the will bank

and the u. n. says 62 percent of old homes and costs are being destroyed or damaged and that puts the estimated cost of a total of $13300000000.00. the scale of reconstruction is going to be massive. how long is it gonna take, and who's going to pay for it as well? how long it will take? it all depends on the conditions on excess, on the permissive environment. on the return of the policy and authority on the political framework. as you know, many countries, right, the say, the investment required really needs to be based on the premise of the 2 state solution and the clarity of on the political framework that needs to be in place. at the same time. i think it is uncomfortable to us civilians in dallas a to wait for an outcome of a process that may take secret, perhaps much longer than they actually should be asked to wait till they need to go to school. they need to be school. they need to be learning the early recovery and

be able to taishan of hospitals and health care centers needs to happen. you calls people to wait 5 years for the rehabilitation of their hospital. so these are also pressing needs. no. um, but obviously a lot of depends on the environment and where their goods are allowed. and if the investors are willing to be forthcoming, the policy and business leaders, there are large investors that also want to see how goes it can be reconstructed. but of course, is always tied to the political framework, but i think it's incumbent upon the international community, be it with the studies with the expertise. and of course also the when being on the ground that we push that agenda and you fav. otherwise you're telling the civilians and goes with the public opinions. no, there's no hope for you. that cannot be an outcome of this conflict. you favor the policy, you saw her, she's coming back. that's the stated position of yourself. and the secretary general. israel opposes that. what do you do about it?

well, i'm not quite sure of this is the moment in this interview to say what, what one does about it is requires, of course, because it is sustained a political pressure of negotiations. i believe most countries have expressed an underlined the importance of the return of the policy and authority, revitalized, or reformed, or whichever of the ours you want to put as an adjective. and it's very important that governance is assumed with a view to tackling lawlessness to provide for stabilization, as well as the ability and to allow for the investments to start coming. otherwise, i feel that we are condemning the policy as in gaza to um, to a continuation of, of, of a life and very, very dire circumstances. you have visited, as we said, garza 4 times. you'll now planning to establish an office in gaza and we're currently based in amman. jordan, you're planning to be based in gaza. that must be

a pretty daunting prospect. if you are, if you assume the title and the role of scene, or humanitarian and reconstruction coordinator, i don't think you can do it from new york. not even a mon, i think what needs to be in gaza. very, very open. and then also use the experience and the discussions and the reality check from the ground to both influence to advocate and also propose and bring the different partners together. that to my mind and in my experience is the only way to do this credibly and be informed. finally, you've had a long career, as we've mentioned, as an international civil servant in the mid 19 ninety's and one of your roles you worked for under the u. n agency that deals with palestinians in jerusalem that was at the time of the oslo accords. like you to reflect on where we are now compared with that time with considerable hope. yeah. from the it's

a just in question james. i often think about that because on the one hand, one has to be careful, one doesn't sound like an aging person that says oh, in, in the old days. but if we look at 2024, of course, one shouldn't forget that at the moment is really families are deeply worried about the fate of their loved ones. the hostages inside gaza, it was, we tried to tackle the urgent to military needs of the policy civilian population. we need a cease fire, immediate release of the hostages and to cease fire. so we'll, so i can reflect on the last through to years. my task at the moment is to work with these parameters and to keep echoing the importance of a cease for the immediate unconditional release of the hostages. so we can do our job, we can reach people, we can provide prospect and perhaps also pump the seats again of what will be a better era for the next generation secret colleagues, senior humanitarian and reconstruction coordinator for gaza,

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