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is referring to congress, we're screwed. that's what they don't understand with their. we're already a minority at home. and your japanese whaling ship has set sail on its maiden voyage. fueling the controversy over tokyo has continued support for the hunting of wales. japan is one of only 3 countries in the world that allows commercial wailing and this new ocean going mother ship is the 1st of its kind to be built in 70 years from abroad reports. a highly controversial vessel for many, most people in the japanese whaling ports of shame on the 2nd, the kind of getting the root is a source of civic pride or supple. it's great because it's a big also, it's a quickly design processing facility. we the mate can be refrigerated. it's like a factory. in 2019 and the face of international opposition depend allowed the resumption of wailing and it's her waters to meet continue to the cookie mind. but with a crew of 100,
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under range of 13000 kilometers the ships arrival has raised the possibility of japan resuming its fun to wales in the antarctic ocean. eh, gabriel, do not show quails or unimportant food results, unlike other marine living results. so as they should be used sustainably, based on scientific evidence, i believe it is important to inherit traditional food coach in japan. japan recently added another species to the list of whales that are allowed to be hunted . by then 50. this will be 14. well meet is part of japanese people's identity. it's similar to how indigenous people in alaska it goes on and the australians eat kangaroos in pursuing tradition. this vessel brings molten sophistication. it plans to catch $200.00 wales on its 1st voyage equipped with a long range drone to help to do so. covering fast expenses of the furthest oceans,
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rub mcbride out, just air officials and the japanese town. of course, eco was chico, a finished building, a 20 meter long barrier to obstruct one of the nation's most famous views. here it is, the view of mount fuji, people there say that they are tired of the huge numbers of taurus crowding into their town to take pictures and refusing to obey rules on littering. and on parking . the decision is a symptom of the tensions across the country has depend wrestles with the consequences of a force involved that does it for me, several venue for this hour. there's more information on our website down here in our com as always use continues here on else 0 after it's judy will be scripted to stay with the israel's war on gossip be coming in forever and walk across the united states. why
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are the student protests for palestine being met with military style track down wide is by to insist on 0 consequences for israel in its war on gaza. the quizzical look of us politics, the bottom line. the tragedy from me, of a democratic south africa is enough, typically worse than anywhere else. it's how quickly we sort of adopted the very told re global knowns of the into twining of money and politics. my name is andrew find steve, and i'm a south african right to campaign a politician. we have to ensure that as much unvarnished truth gets out into the world as possible. if that makes people resent us, so be it. what is happening today is happening on our watch. the news from now there will be people asking, how did you let it happen? yeah. when way you. my name is srahi delilah and i'm
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a southern journalist from bi minish. the name politics is not cynthia trusting us from good sense of how it's a question, a social movements and the lives of everyday people. join us and talk to a studio would be unsuspected. the, you know, for me, a very important thing and we were talking earlier about that of how we got to do the work that we do from a truly was the notion of my mom talking about the idea of never again. and by the time she arrived in south africa, which was in fact long off to the 2nd world war, and the hardest of it shoot, understood immediately the never again,
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wasn't just about jews. it wasn't just about your peons. it was about or humanity. i mean, my understanding is you, you faced imprisonment in your own country for speaking out understand you've also had problems in gemini and maybe we should just sort of talk about that a little bit and what it means in the world we live in as well in germany is a very specific example, the being all the way it was meant to do was cancelled because apparently i'm anti semitic because i question what's happening in israel. but the idea about german. ready should be sentenced by palestinian blood, is something i simply cannot accept, but that's in the creation that goes, not just in germany, britain here the united states, all these nations, which i completed when you have the united nations. and so many countries together saying one thing and then being run roughshod,
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what's happening in terms of a being given or not given is, is ridiculous yet. they getting away with it. and i think we need to ask ourselves as questions, how come i will adjustments can get away with what they are doing. but it's interesting you say, you know, supposedly you are 90. some of the extraordinary thing is that, you know, despite my mom's history, despite the fact that i've actually lectured at alfred some genocide prevention, i found myself being called a self hating 2 and an anti semite by all sorts of people who are very supportive of israel or very supportive of the so to of, of what our governments are doing in relation to israel. i'm the thing that really strikes me and i'd be interested in your thoughts on this. it's a sort of notion of you have freedom of speech
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so long as we're comfortable with what you're saying. we sort of seem to be living in a moment. but often i think to myself, hang on the races are actually describing the lifelong anti racist as racist which is insane. and that's yeah, to, you know, it's, it's the moment we're in, and i'm shocked at the extent to which governments and the so called west point in the global know, if you will, pad to undermine their own. democracies prepared to effectively destroy any vestige of international level. we have israel committing genocide before our eyes, and none of our mainstream politicians across the board seem to have a problem with it. have you experienced a time like this before? would you can remember. well, you know, i'm from bangladesh being flipped through,
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genocide, you know, as a nation that's been through genocide. we should have been out there speaking. i'm at the end of the day in old countries. it is leaders who how we would like legitimacy, who require these mechanisms to stay in power because the people of mama things countries yeah, i've actually supported it. and yet all these countries that talk about democracy have thrown it out of the window. not a few proof, i'm sure protested in the streets, have been supported by your own government to call themselves democratic. so in fact, there's people who have been protesting and they've been millions of us around the world. i mean, we're the ones who are being called the extremists, we are the ones who are being called hate. so and then you think a yes is did children we're having to see or know screens every day. the dead health for us is dead journalists,
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just ordinary men and women whose lives have been terminated. because i'm afraid to say, i'd be interested to see what you think of this because of what is really a form in my opinion of white supremacy, which is new different. you know, if we look at the situation in russia and ukraine, i think that our governments responded appropriately. now is that because these are white, you were pm's who are being killed. blue didn't blonde, blue eyed and drawn terrifying the. is it because it's not one of their allies who is actually involved in the invasion of the atrocities on civilians. whereas if it isn't allied fine, they can do what they want. it's, it is an extraordinary state of affairs. but if you look at it, if you look at the allies, they're all set to colonialists,
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a free country that has supported it, have themselves. you know, whether it's a strain the a, whether it's brittany, whether it's the united states, they've exterminated their own populations. the native population has been taken over and now it's set to colonialist who is supporting another safely colonialist. the one that's left, you know, as the son of a holocaust survivor. i can understand why many jews off to the 2nd world war for the jewish state would somehow be a safe haven for them. and it's tragic. the israel has turned into almost exactly the opposite of that. but if you give it back to a separate colonial roots, you know, it's really honest. they, oh, should i say scientists? because a lot of is really don't actually have this narrative at all. would say we were the people with all the land and we found the land without people, which of course,
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the 2nd part of that is the terrible lie. and that one cannot see the creation of the state of israel without understanding the macbook and to sing, given that history, that all governments will simply raise all of that. but the tragic events, the 7th of october, are seen as unprovoked. now we live in this age where everybody makes up their own trace. i think the most important skills that people need or to be able to verify the information that they are reading or seeing or get to. but i don't quite know how that works in terms of images. well, i can give you a specific example here in bottom of the steering shop. there was censorship. so it started with sections being redacted. and then newspapers started printing blank pages. rather than printing crude active,
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but then they went further to actually stopped publishing altogether. they refused to be sensitive enough manner and we continued to work, taking pictures. at one stage we thought we would climb this time, man. i put pictures on the wall of the press stop knowing that they'd be taken down, but that briefly would be seen within the general actually went be we but successful. yeah. so then we put up in a very major shift manner. with 0 budget, we put up an exhibition, and 3 and a half days we had 400000 people coming to you. so we have near riots. why? because people wanted to see these pictures. this was the story being told about this stuff is the hung go for images that really fired us up. but how did we get from that in both countries? how did we get from that to the situation where effectively our liberal rate is as
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a now the problem, i mean, you've experienced very directly with your government actually jailing you. but i also, what i mean, i recently i q rated a show at the united nations in geneva. i'm part of that was a scroll off all the officially recognized john list who had been killed in the last 30 years and was 1602 people that was over 30 years. look at what's happening in the class that today. the number of journalists to a being not just the journalist themselves, the entire family is being killed targeted. yeah, i'm not many. i'm that is how they hope they will prevent us from knowing what the real story is. but there's a slip side of that, which talks to the importance of bearing witness. the importance of all of us. making sure that we all convey is of information and of
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images. because if we don't do that, then the more asked just gets worse and worse and worse there. and i think i'll go beyond, but each one of us is a with this today. yeah, here now, and this is upon us as with this is to be able to validate for the seeing around us. and i think i repeat what i said earlier, generations from now, we'll ask us those questions. it happened on your watch. what were you doing? town and i think each one of us has to answer that question. yeah. the one thing that occurred to me is you're saying this is, you know, that the roots of a lot of this, of cost is id, ology because global politics is also greed. and a must, all of this, the levels of corruption and you know, the work that i've done for years. it has been on the arms trade corruption,
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conflict, and they will soon should have been to twined the way in which political parties land up getting funded by the very companies the benefit from the conflict. so is that we need permanent conflict forever. was yeah, but it's not surprising. i mean, you have the security council made up of the biggest manufacturers in the world. it's like, you know, giving your kids to a pdf file for protection. yeah. yeah. well, i'm sure everybody will be shocked to hear that the country that produces the vast majority of the world's weapons is also the country that has been involved in more conflict since the 2nd world war. then english or other countries combined, the political system in the united states of america is a system that i describe is legalized bribery. but i have the sense of one of all political systems corrupted in one way or another. and that leads me to
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a different soul, which is, is this notion of sort of liberal representative democracy? has it to habits day? i wonder? and do we actually need to say to ourselves, how do we want to govern now selves? and how can we govern now, selves in the most effective manner? is it to have political policies? cuz, you know, if i look at the major policies in the united kingdom, for instance, the conservatives and labor. i mean, you can barely squeeze a piece of tracing paper between their offers if you will. and then south africa, we have the sort of edifice of my own policy, v a n c. and they're going to be over a 100 other policies contesting against it. none of whom that i'm aware of actually embody what the country really needs as i say,
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we assume. but here's an we team that is doing what it's doing and replacing that bridge team with another one. they'll solve it. i think unless there is accountability and transparency, unless if the person who does something wrong is held to account, i don't care who's that. they will still behave exactly the same. but yeah, so i think the onus is up on us as individuals to ensure that it and 3 point questions are asked that i think that is where we failed because we give them up to about space. but i think if you did not cost questions, her mind the generate them and i think by not doing so by not constantly pushing, mentally intellectually means actually a give up space but also lost our own ability to resist. and that's something we need to change. so let's get the audience to express their imagination and creativity in a round of questions. hi. so as a young person,
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it can sometimes really feel like all of these terrible things that were written. this thing in the world today has been in place forever will be there forever, or if anything under getting worse. so i was wondering if you could both tell like a story from your life, but make you hopeful that we as ordinary people can change things and how they are after i got picked up i, you know, it was torture, picked up, spend time in jail, and it was released, obviously i was by government standards, a toxic bus and we lost all our clients, a c o rodney on the line line to say, sorry, sorry, sure. who the one i think personally, but it's too dangerous for me to answer your phone call. but as i'm leaving my office, there's a young woman cymbalta by the looks of it. she had a little baby and she comes up to me and says, to me, bless my child. i want him to grow up to be as brave as you know. and that is the
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power that the average person still has. i think so many of us because of what he got. because about sounds of comfort. i'm no longer prepared to take those risks, but the some bolton, the youth i still prepared to bush and i brought gives me hope i had to leave south africa for the 1st time in the mid 19 eighties. because i refused to serve in the a potted military. and i remember the night before i was leaving, being on a hill is looking cape town and thinking. i'll never see the city of my bath again . i never see the country have my bath again. because there was no prospect of a pottage ending then. but 4 years later, the amc it'd been on band on daylight had been released and far less significant than any of that i was able to go home and further 4 years later, my dad was our 1st ever
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a democratically elected president. and with the law problems since 1994. that's an extraordinary thing to have happened and it makes me feel even in the most awful of situations palestine would be the obvious example. now we should never lose hope. i think leadership is also something that we need to look at because it just, the leadership is something to me learnt as well. and i'll use the men de la example. you remember jonathan shapiro? of course here. yes. so this is costume and the size of african cotton is an old lead is make mistakes. and mandela also did. and he drew this call tune of mandela's halo slipping. so he gets his phone calls hello shapiro. to recognize that the mr. president cartoon advocate for that thing. right? yes, mister president. well done,
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mister president. i critique. that's your job. well that he puts the fund and that is leadership. that's supposed to be a lot. so andrew, you mentioned how the 2 political parties and britain are sort of having the same ideology. and you could say the same thing about the political parties in america. do you have any ways in which we can attempt to dismantle the power of the 2 ruling political parties? i think we need to look at our electoral systems and again to say, and i don't have the brains to say this intelligently but surely with all the technological advances that we've made, most of which i don't understand. there have to be ways in which we can have elements of all democracies that i'm more direct. so i think we really need a period of extraordinary political, creative energy in which we read design, the ways in which we gover now,
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selves and in which we govern our countries in the world. and the 2nd thing is, you know, in power level, while we're doing this creative thinking, what that is so important in power low. we need to make sure that our representatives understand that a huge number of people are deeply dissatisfied with them. and the way to do that, wherever we are in the world where we are lucky enough to live in our faltering liberal democracies is. if we have no one representing us in our local area, is, is to find someone from the local community to stand up with community support and take on of the sort of hedge a monic political forces at the moment and they may not win. but that's not what's important. what's important is giving people choice and actually breaking the mold . but i would like to extend that in the sense that while you're talking within this nation state boundary, both across across the globe following the same. and they are actually supporting
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one another. so we to, as people need to be able to bridge the gap this for, to entity only a few here today have to be part of the global community. and we need to tell autocrats they can't get away with it because we all strong i want to raise something that you touched on and really are on the moral compass seems to have disappeared from public view. and certainly it's not a spouse as a question or a pharmacy by any of opposite to delete has. how do you believe a moral compass might be developed? and is it necessary for it to be centered around a set of beliefs that are accepted by least approximate was published? a question that's often enough to me. i mean, ethics obviously is a very important part of the footage and listening gen. listen generally, and a question that is often asked of me is, is it right to take that picture?
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would you do that? is it ethically correct? and the way i look at it is if that were being done to me, would i be comfortable? i think that's something we very rarely do, very rarely termed the lens around and question whether my behavior towards another person is that behavior that i would expect or accept being done to me when i was investigating this corrupt tom's deal. so there was a point at which the amc hierarchy called me in and basically said to me, here's what you're going to say. and i had a whole lot of my colleagues from my committee that i was supposed to be leading, saying to me, andrew, you've got to do this. you've got to do this is not just your political career, it's sort of a political career. and i went into this media conference after months of speaking out against this corruption and then investigating it. and i read the statement
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and the media will incredibly confused because i've been working with them for all these months. i walked out, i wouldn't take questions and i got into my car. and as i was driving i heard myself on the call radio reading the states and i just burst into tears. and i have no idea what made me best into tears. but i realized in that moment that i couldn't do this, and this something about each one of us, that we have a line in the sand. and with that, when that line in the sand is crossed, we should not go any further. and the problem that you and your question has enunciated is in most instances the lines in the sand have been raised and it now seems acceptable to do anything we want to do in pursuit of paula of
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money, of privilege, of advantage of others. so i think we have to stop that and we have to rewrite the history books by saying actually, greed is awful. and what is good is exactly what you say is the mutual respect that we all need to have for each of the i would extend up to talk about the fact that you're never really on your own. i will again refer to it best of example, after i was picked up, i was tortured the following morning. the police actually offered me a deal of all controls delete everything, still go from new back, go back home. no one will bother you. nothing on the records. you stay quiet. i might just gone through the night of torture. i knew what might be a head and they told me of what might be had. but i remembered that i was not alone
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. i was part of a bigger community, hans and me to accept that would also be to sell out the other people around me. and i think that is something that needs to be women, but it's not simply by by really pushing that moral compass. you're not really selling a just yourself, you're selling out to your entire community and that's too big of price to pay. that's one for the final thoughts. and it reminds me why i feel so privilege to have had this conversation. because you've had a display, physical courage, optis moral courage, but physical courage as well. in awful circumstances in a way i don't think i would be able to do it really has been a privilege it and on having this conversation with you and with all of you. so
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thank you very much. and i'm showing you surprise yourself the i want people to look closer at the august side of this. i point my camera where all those prefer not to look. i'm right about what it means to be american and about the ordinary people who get caught up us worse to make a round, peck, and also viet turn when on the power of political ok. what i'll just story is retail sales about also. and how do we base our past to change our future studio? be unscripted upon one on i will just sierra the
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