breaking news around the world, this is bbc news. hello and welcome for the result of the hamilton west by election. iam marching i am marching in tonight, iam marching in tonight, we're looking at the very latest on this crucial by election night right up the results of what we expect at some point around one in the morning. the first major electoral

test since i'm the use of became the leader in the first minister. and he says that his foot will be challenging for his party and will it mean for his leadership and the independence movement. —— humza yousaf. the result could have a seismic impact on the party across the uk and a not so humble break or is it overconfidence. we will find out soon. let's forget the scottish conservatives because other parties not expected to win this year, the big question is with its core vote holed up and this is a scottish by election with the general election woman, westminster will be all over it. helping me to assess how tonight my play across scotland and is to the uk, the countries top pulling expertjohn curtis and leslie, tony

blair plus plus former adviser and spectators lucy done. and know by election would be complete without politicians and tonight, we have the scottish national party keith brown, jackie bayley and the conservative party. welcome to you all. first, the account is been taking place in hamilton and let us go there now and speak to a political correspondent and david, what are you hearing this evening. find and david, what are you hearing this evenina. �* ., . �*, ., evening. and the council, it's about which parties _ evening. and the council, it's about which parties are _ evening. and the council, it's about which parties are going _ evening. and the council, it's about which parties are going to _ evening. and the council, it's about which parties are going to win - evening. and the council, it's about which parties are going to win this | which parties are going to win this by election that seems to be acceptance year in labour have managed to get over the line and on top now, it's about the scale of labour�*s victory. when parties system stormy and slick and comfortable, talking about majorities in the seven or 8% range potentially if things go very well

into the double figures. for context, when labour lasted this seat underjeremy corbyn, they wanted very narrowly at 0.5% of the vote and it should be aware that historically, liberties to win this seat very comfortably. there is saying this is a very uphill battle for them and that the backdrop to this by election being that there former mp margaret ferrier lost after taking a train journey from london to glasgow back in 2020 after testing positive for covid—19 and the police investigation into the party finances is still ongoing in all of the combined made this a difficult challenge for them. m50 difficult challenge for them. also talked about _ difficult challenge for them. also talked about the _ difficult challenge for them. also talked about the scottish conservatives who in recent years have done sometimes pretty well and not necessarily going to win it but there's talk that he could be losing their deposit and getting less than

5% of the vote which should get a result at 1:30am and by that point, we should know who the next mp is both highly unlikely that it's going to be michael from scottish labour and the thing to look at various witnesses mean mean for a general election. how does that translate into others, carbon seats, that is going to look out for tonight. will come back to david and the account regularly but even that is spent so much to talk about them or both of political panel and the pundits and john curtis, let us turn to her positions have been furiously on their phones since they walked into their phones since they walked into the studio. i have to say, you came in with a broad grin on your face. the studio. i have to say, you came

in with a broad grin on yourface. i in with a broad grin on your face. i always am a happy person by instinct and i am an optimist. but i think what is being suggested as it does look like a labour victory but until we know that for certain, i'm not going to prejudge the event that we have fought extremely hard for long period of time and speaking to 30,000 people and we've not on 80,000 doors in mentor toured around 80,000 doors in mentor toured around 80,000 doors in mentor toured around 80,000 doors there and we have knocked on them two or three times and people are now quite sick of seeing politicians on their doorstep however, i would say that people responded really warmly to a message of change because to be frank with you, on the ground and brother —— rutherglen, and power in the

tories for 13 years and people in the constituency are very disappointed and disillusioned and they voted for change tonight. you been livin: they voted for change tonight. you been living there since july and the been living there sincejuly and the grass needs could harm your stuff to do this is all overcome which are not of expected a better turnout in the single digits especially what's happened in the constituency in the scottish national party? the margaret ferrier majority was over 5000 and rutherglen in hamilton west, we need to see what's going on here and humza yousaf lead from the front. ., , , , , ., front. your site highly visible and clearl , front. your site highly visible and clearly. the _ front. your site highly visible and clearly, the result _ front. your site highly visible and clearly, the result for _ front. your site highly visible and clearly, the result for him - front. your site highly visible and clearly, the result for him and . front. your site highly visible and clearly, the result for him and i l front. your site highly visible and i clearly, the result for him and i am taking nothing for granted and mood swings to the results of the discussion.— swings to the results of the discussion. keith brown, by contrast. — discussion. keith brown, by contrast, you're _ discussion. keith brown, by

contrast, you're pushing - discussion. keith brown, by. contrast, you're pushing your discussion. keith brown, by- contrast, you're pushing your staff forward for this campaign and delivering leaflets. did you give up on this early? fin delivering leaflets. did you give up on this early?— on this early? on 12 occasions, a da “ob on this early? on 12 occasions, a day job in _ on this early? on 12 occasions, a day job in the — on this early? on 12 occasions, a day job in the scottish _ on this early? on 12 occasions, a | day job in the scottish parliament dayjob in the scottish parliament but mentioning the fact that we had a challenging set of circumstances and both— a challenging set of circumstances and both in the circumstances the by election_ and both in the circumstances the by election and the circumstances in which _ election and the circumstances in which the — election and the circumstances in which the party leadership contest and so _ which the party leadership contest and so on. — which the party leadership contest and so on, it is quite clear they were _ and so on, it is quite clear they were doing _ and so on, it is quite clear they were doing that we prop up the proper— were doing that we prop up the proper prolabor candidates and make sure that _ proper prolabor candidates and make sure that all comes across in the tory— sure that all comes across in the tory vote — sure that all comes across in the tory vote more or less collapsed and the labour_ tory vote more or less collapsed and the labour party and indistinguishable policies and keir starmeh — indistinguishable policies and keir starmeh |— indistinguishable policies and keir starmer. ., �* ., ., , starmer. i don't mean to interrupt. let me come _ starmer. i don't mean to interrupt. let me come to — starmer. i don't mean to interrupt. let me come to you _ starmer. i don't mean to interrupt. let me come to you when - starmer. i don't mean to interrupt. let me come to you when he - starmer. i don't mean to interrupt. l let me come to you when he finishes his point. let me come to you when he finishes his oint. ,, ., let me come to you when he finishes his oint. ,, . ., , ., his point. keir starmer does not feature in _ his point. keir starmer does not feature in any — his point. keir starmer does not feature in any of _ his point. keir starmer does not feature in any of the _ his point. keir starmer does not feature in any of the leaflets - his point. keir starmer does not| feature in any of the leaflets but says labour had been following for two years — says labour had been following for two years the same as the tories,

the merging of labourand two years the same as the tories, the merging of labour and tory is a background to this but it was labour seat in _ background to this but it was labour seat in the — background to this but it was labour seat in the last election and going back to _ seat in the last election and going back to labour tonight and i don't think— back to labour tonight and i don't think people will be too surprised by that _ think people will be too surprised b that. , , ., ., by that. this is going to be a bad niuht if by that. this is going to be a bad night if they _ by that. this is going to be a bad night if they do _ by that. this is going to be a bad night if they do this, _ by that. this is going to be a bad night if they do this, isn't - by that. this is going to be a bad night if they do this, isn't it? - night if they do this, isn't it? less demos in a panel like this, murphy— less demos in a panel like this, murphy was telling us how easy it was to— murphy was telling us how easy it was to beat the snp and we watched labour— was to beat the snp and we watched labour seat of the labour seat go and they— labour seat of the labour seat go and they will have more and i think we should — and they will have more and i think we should keep that in perspective and one _ we should keep that in perspective and one crucial point in terms of the general polling, the snp is 11 points— the general polling, the snp is 11 points ahead of the labour party in terms _ points ahead of the labour party in terms of— points ahead of the labour party in terms of westminster and i think that is— terms of westminster and i think that is the — terms of westminster and i think that is the contest and difficult by election — that is the contest and difficult by election. we that is the contest and difficult by election. ~ , ., , that is the contest and difficult by

election. ~ , . , ., ., election. we shall see what part and jackie, election. we shall see what part and jackie. quickly _ election. we shall see what part and jackie. quickly step _ election. we shall see what part and jackie, quickly stop you _ election. we shall see what part and jackie, quickly stop you like think. jackie, quickly stop you like think it is insulting the voters that somehow it is tory vote and i was on the porches and i was meeting ijust snp voters but snp members who cannot bring themselves to vote for the snp were making the switch to labour. please, do not insult the voters by simply saying it was all tory. it's not right neck where they going to screen our vote would be squeezed and this was a labour seat with a labour vote. thea;r squeezed and this was a labour seat with a labour vote.— with a labour vote. they won under jeremy corbyn _ with a labour vote. they won under jeremy corbyn in — with a labour vote. they won under jeremy corbyn in 2017 _ with a labour vote. they won under jeremy corbyn in 2017 an _ with a labour vote. they won under jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article - with a labour vote. they won under jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in | jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front— jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of— jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of them _ jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of them and _ jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of them and a _ jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of them and a big _ jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of them and a big shot- jeremy corbyn in 2017 an article in front of them and a big shot if- front of them and a big shot if they did manage — front of them and a big shot if they did manage to— front of them and a big shot if they did manage to land _ front of them and a big shot if they did manage to land the _ front of them and a big shot if they did manage to land the ball- front of them and a big shot if they did manage to land the ball in - front of them and a big shot if they did manage to land the ball in the i did manage to land the ball in the back of— did manage to land the ball in the back of the — did manage to land the ball in the back of the net _ did manage to land the ball in the back of the net but _ did manage to land the ball in the back of the net but this _ did manage to land the ball in the back of the net but this just one l back of the net but this just one seed _ back of the net but this just one seed out — back of the net but this just one seed out of— back of the net but this just one seed out of many _ back of the net but this just one seed out of many i _ back of the net but this just one seed out of many i think- back of the net but this just one seed out of many i think what . back of the net but this just one l seed out of many i think what you seed out of many i think what you see here — seed out of many i think what you see here is — seed out of many i think what you see here is a _ seed out of many i think what you see here is a cross, _ seed out of many i think what you see here is a cross, under- seed out of many i think what you see here is a cross, under the - see here is a cross, under the conservatives, _ see here is a cross, under the conservatives, second - see here is a cross, under the conservatives, second to - see here is a cross, under the conservatives, second to thel

see here is a cross, under the - conservatives, second to the snp and people _ conservatives, second to the snp and people will_ conservatives, second to the snp and people will vote — conservatives, second to the snp and people will vote scottish _ people will vote scottish conservatives _ people will vote scottish conservatives we've - people will vote scottishl conservatives we've seen people will vote scottish i conservatives we've seen in people will vote scottish - conservatives we've seen in the other— conservatives we've seen in the other week— conservatives we've seen in the other week in _ conservatives we've seen in the other week in the _ conservatives we've seen in the other week in the by— conservatives we've seen in the other week in the by election i conservatives we've seen in the - other week in the by election where our vote _ other week in the by election where our vote was— other week in the by election where our vote was up— other week in the by election where our vote was up 20% _ other week in the by election where our vote was up 20% of _ other week in the by election where our vote was up 20% of receive - other week in the by election where| our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight— our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight is— our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight is an — our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight is an example _ our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight is an example of— our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight is an example of what - our vote was up 20% of receive your tonight is an example of what is- tonight is an example of what is happening — tonight is an example of what is happening and _ tonight is an example of what is happening and more _ tonight is an example of what is happening and more seats- tonight is an example of what is happening and more seats in. tonight is an example of what is- happening and more seats in scotland were scottish — happening and more seats in scotland were scottish conservative _ happening and more seats in scotland were scottish conservative union - happening and more seats in scotland were scottish conservative union and i were scottish conservative union and the scottish— were scottish conservative union and the scottish national— were scottish conservative union and the scottish national party. - were scottish conservative union and the scottish national party. infill- were scottish conservative union and the scottish national party.— the scottish national party. will be ok and then. _ the scottish national party. will be ok and then, using _ the scottish national party. will be ok and then, using the _ the scottish national party. will be ok and then, using the david - the scottish national party. will be ok and then, using the david is - 0k and then, using the david is hearing that you are likely to lose the deposit seat. but hearing that you are likely to lose the deposit seat.— the deposit seat. but i did expect at the result _ the deposit seat. but i did expect at the result is _ the deposit seat. but i did expect at the result is that _ the deposit seat. but i did expect at the result is that it _ the deposit seat. but i did expect at the result is that it would - the deposit seat. but i did expect at the result is that it would be i at the result is that it would be squeezed — at the result is that it would be squeezed and _ at the result is that it would be squeezed and i— at the result is that it would be squeezed and i will— at the result is that it would be squeezed and i will not - at the result is that it would be squeezed and i will not be - squeezed and i will not be replicated _ squeezed and i will not be replicated in— squeezed and i will not be replicated in seats - squeezed and i will not be replicated in seats acrossl squeezed and i will not be - replicated in seats across scotland. the figures — replicated in seats across scotland. the figures are _ replicated in seats across scotland. the figures are nine _ replicated in seats across scotland. the figures are nine minutes - replicated in seats across scotland. the figures are nine minutes to - the figures are nine minutes to midnight and the figures are nine minutes to midnightand we the figures are nine minutes to midnight and we expect something around one o'clock and i do speak to sirjohn curtis and when it comes to the numbers, what are we looking at. will be asking yourself how well of labour— will be asking yourself how well of labour when the seats. but we ask that question, we'll see that it is

a relatively marginal seat and was remembering and referred to and 2017 under— remembering and referred to and 2017 underjeremy corbyn and they really did need _ underjeremy corbyn and they really did need the constituency but the average _ did need the constituency but the average opinion polls conducted across— average opinion polls conducted across scotland, we know in this constituency, the swing from this is apparently— constituency, the swing from this is apparently around 11% on average. in this constituency, all labour needs is a 5% _ this constituency, all labour needs is a 5% swing and therefore, if this by election— is a 5% swing and therefore, if this by election is going to fulfil the promise — by election is going to fulfil the promise of the opinion polls, then we should — promise of the opinion polls, then we should be looking at a pretty comfortable run if labour were to -et comfortable run if labour were to get ten _ comfortable run if labour were to get ten points and get the lead of

the satisfaction and significantly below— the satisfaction and significantly below that and will be asking ourselves, our labour doing the most recent— ourselves, our labour doing the most recent poll— ourselves, our labour doing the most recent poll in particular and raising _ recent poll in particular and raising but we have to remember is that relatively small changes in the scottish— that relatively small changes in the scottish national party leader labour— scottish national party leader labour to make quite a big difference to the number of seats labour— difference to the number of seats labour can — difference to the number of seats labour can pick up and given but the opinion— labour can pick up and given but the opinion polls are saying, every seat in scotland — opinion polls are saying, every seat in scotland is going to be marginal over labour— in scotland is going to be marginal over labour in the scottish national party— over labour in the scottish national party and _ over labour in the scottish national party and because the books are marginal— party and because the books are marginal and they can make quite a bil marginal and they can make quite a big difference were going to be looking — big difference were going to be looking particularly hard edges of labour— looking particularly hard edges of labour is— looking particularly hard edges of labour is doing this.— labour is doing this. shorthand answers, labour is doing this. shorthand answers. and _ labour is doing this. shorthand answers, and a _ labour is doing this. shorthand answers, and a very _

labour is doing this. shorthand answers, and a very shorthand j labour is doing this. shorthand - answers, and a very shorthand way, double figure lead good for labour, single figure lead not so good? double figure lead is a good night for labour— double figure lead is a good night for labour and if it's a little bit below— for labour and if it's a little bit below that, that is ok. but if it is less below that, that is 0k. but if it is less than— below that, that is ok. but if it is less than five point lead and i think— less than five point lead and i think they'll be disappointed. for ou think they'll be disappointed. fr?" you suppressed your suggestion? think they'll be disappointed. for - you suppressed your suggestion? no, the conservative party in scotland and the _ the conservative party in scotland and the rest of the uk is more popular— and the rest of the uk is more popular than it was in second reason is undoubtedly that those conservative voters are concerned with the _ conservative voters are concerned with the future of the union, to vote _ with the future of the union, to vote against them had every reason to want— vote against them had every reason to want to _ vote against them had every reason to want to do so in the circumstances particularly. will to want to do so in the circumstances particularly. will be back to you _ circumstances particularly. will be back to you in _ circumstances particularly. will be back to you in a _ circumstances particularly. will be back to you in a minute _ circumstances particularly. will be back to you in a minute and - circumstances particularly. will be back to you in a minute and let. circumstances particularly. will be back to you in a minute and let us| back to you in a minute and let us turn to our pundits.

laboursnp labour snp slugfest, anything less them is something from the snp push a little probably, yeah. and i was astonished to see that theyr a little probably, yeah. and i was astonished to see that they never lost a westminster _ astonished to see that they never lost a westminster by _ astonished to see that they never lost a westminster by election, i astonished to see that they neverj lost a westminster by election, is that right? lost a westminster by election, is that ri . ht? , lost a westminster by election, is that riuht? , , ., , lost a westminster by election, is thatriuht? , ,., , , that right? this is only the second by election _ that right? this is only the second by election and — that right? this is only the second by election and the _ that right? this is only the second by election and the only _ that right? this is only the second by election and the only one - that right? this is only the second by election and the only one was i by election and the only one was very soon — by election and the only one was very soon-— by election and the only one was ve soon. ., ., ., ~ , very soon. you have taken the shine ofthat very soon. you have taken the shine of that one- — very soon. you have taken the shine of that one. but _ very soon. you have taken the shine of that one. but you _ very soon. you have taken the shine of that one. but you did _ very soon. you have taken the shine of that one. but you did lose - very soon. you have taken the shine of that one. but you did lose the - of that one. but you did lose the scottish parliament _ of that one. but you did lose the scottish parliament in _ of that one. but you did lose the scottish parliament in 2013. - of that one. but you did lose the i scottish parliament in 2013. though i am not in scottish parliament in 2013. though i am not in the _ scottish parliament in 2013. though i am not in the snp. _ scottish parliament in 2013. though i am not in the snp. but— scottish parliament in 2013. though i am not in the snp. but still, - i am not in the snp. but still, there is a narrative of invincibility about the snp and it is grown up with the extraordinary times we have lived through anything labour have 41 and peace in 2010 and five years later they had one. those extra and everything where i don't know if we can really digest it the change and that came eight months

after losing an independence referendum to the snp in the just thought they could defy political gravity and they could just get the victory against all in a general election and we have benchmarked the snp of that pretty heady height and 0k, snp of that pretty heady height and ok, 16 years snp of that pretty heady height and 0k,16 years in office and problems than the party, scandals looking in the background and also sorts of difficulties in leadership on an election those very cantankerous you be astonished if any party, any governing party would be astonished if any party, any governing party appeared to come to a seat like this in the fifth most likely labour target in the 36 for the scottish national party and this is going to a tricky one stop whatever it's going to extrapolate from one result of the way to the door of number ten and will get to that later on. band

and will get to that later on. and in 2019, is _ and will get to that later on. and in 2019, is that _ and will get to that later on. and in 2019, is that there was keir starmer's leadership is better leadership by elections because i was a _ leadership by elections because i was a turning point and and it sounds — was a turning point and and it sounds like a turning point for labour— sounds like a turning point for labour in— sounds like a turning point for labour in scotland which is a massive _ labour in scotland which is a massive turning point because it's more _ massive turning point because it's more important for the conservatives to be _ more important for the conservatives to be a _ more important for the conservatives to be a party of the whole country and the _ to be a party of the whole country and the whole of great britain and a part of— and the whole of great britain and a part of wales and a part of england and a _ part of wales and a part of england and a party— part of wales and a part of england and a party of scotland and if labour— and a party of scotland and if labour can come back in to talk about— labour can come back in to talk about the — labour can come back in to talk about the polls and you can see a bunch _ about the polls and you can see a bunch of — about the polls and you can see a bunch of seats in the central belt and it's— bunch of seats in the central belt and it's a — bunch of seats in the central belt and it's a very good labour candidate and it feels as though, politics— candidate and it feels as though, politics or— candidate and it feels as though, politics or returning a political gravity — politics or returning a political gravity is _ politics or returning a political gravity is returning and punished for public— gravity is returning and punished for public services and the normal rules— for public services and the normal rules of— for public services and the normal rules of politics starting to apply

and everything is been topsy—turvy since _ and everything is been topsy—turvy since the _ and everything is been topsy—turvy since the referendum. and everything is been topsy-turvy since the referendum.— and everything is been topsy-turvy since the referendum. looking very ha - and since the referendum. looking very happy and we _ since the referendum. looking very happy and we will _ since the referendum. looking very happy and we will see _ since the referendum. looking very happy and we will see what - since the referendum. looking very happy and we will see what reason | happy and we will see what reason she has and listen, you are saying it's a big night and his face was no longer close to this end the leader of the party, and longer close to this end the leader of the party. and— of the party, and trying to have it two ways. _ of the party, and trying to have it two ways. keir— of the party, and trying to have it two ways, keir starmer— of the party, and trying to have it two ways, keir starmer facing - of the party, and trying to have it two ways, keir starmer facing a l two ways, keir starmer facing a leaflet and average is being held by the labour party. the labour party is electing as a government across the uk and living scottish voters are turning to labour because labour can form a government. if labour in 2015, there was no chance they're going to form a government of that election, no chance in their getting

killed in 2019 and they turned to labour. ., . ., , killed in 2019 and they turned to labour. .. ., , , labour. here in uk, actually, sir keir starmer, _ labour. here in uk, actually, sir keir starmer, it _ labour. here in uk, actually, sir keir starmer, it is _ labour. here in uk, actually, sir keir starmer, it is put _ labour. here in uk, actually, sir keir starmer, it is put on - keir starmer, it is put on public opinion of conservative party at the moment in our big night is this for humza yousaf if this goes badly? brute humza yousaf if this goes badly? we have not gotten to a point of this is a seismic— have not gotten to a point of this is a seismic night for labour. whatever— is a seismic night for labour. whatever the result comes through, there _ whatever the result comes through, there is— whatever the result comes through, there is really a long road to go to -et there is really a long road to go to get to— there is really a long road to go to get to the — there is really a long road to go to get to the stage where independent supporters like me who avoided labour— supporters like me who avoided labour all— supporters like me who avoided labour all my life until about 2007 going _ labour all my life until about 2007 going to _ labour all my life until about 2007 going to consider the labour party and on _ going to consider the labour party and on a _ going to consider the labour party and on a big core democratic issues, the reason _ and on a big core democratic issues, the reason why many people may be turning _ the reason why many people may be turning from the snp is that both mainstream parties of tonight the scots— mainstream parties of tonight the scots the — mainstream parties of tonight the scots the right to self—determination and that doesn't seem _ self—determination and that doesn't seem to _ self—determination and that doesn't

seem to be. poses for as we go, who are you. _ seem to be. poses for as we go, who are you. john — seem to be. poses for as we go, who are you, john was mikel seem to be. poses for as we go, who are you, john was mike i do realise that _ are you, john was mike i do realise that 0h. _ are you, john was mike i do realise that. oh, 0k. are you, john was mike i do realise that. oh, ok. that is the kind of arrogance — that. oh, ok. that is the kind of arrogance of not allowing the scottish _ arrogance of not allowing the scottish public. and the issue of this election result is that many feel hopeless and well done because of that— feel hopeless and well done because of that is— feel hopeless and well done because of that is what you wanted to achieve, _ of that is what you wanted to achieve, maybe you've gotten there. the leader— achieve, maybe you've gotten there. the leader of that, i would feel so. i will come back to you amber after flyer 20. we'll come back to this but let's go back to hamilton and david wallace, david, what do you say? david wallace, david, what do you sa ? �* , ., david wallace, david, what do you sa ? . , ., ., ., say? and updating the turnout for this by election _ say? and updating the turnout for this by election and _ say? and updating the turnout for this by election and 37.19% - say? and updating the turnout for this by election and 37.19% and i this by election and 37.19% and that is fairly run—of—the—mill trip

election, 37 point 19% is interesting because you could see from the party, the narrative in the talk is looking beyond the declaration of this result and it's becoming about what this means when you're sharing from labour is that this template seats across the central belts, and that ultimately, this could contribute to a majority labour government and the next general election which is what they want to see and i suspect we will see them putting a message for that the other way to get the conservatives out is to try to get a majority labour government and. of course, the snp would make that argument that they may also be of the good result in the general election them having some influence to a minority labour government. but we are also hearing a lot from the snp about what this conservative votes of gone and not only are they

saying that that's the unionist vote going to the scottish labour party and they're also making the point that they think sir keir starmer and some of his policies, such as the two child cap which caused a bit of controversy, they're going to argue that his new flavour to the right of the conservative voters are comfortable in voting for the labour party at the moment in scotland. what does this all mean for the makeup of parliament after a general election? after a member there are 80,000 odd people in this constituency who have had this by election hanging over them for some time, who are facing difficult economic situations and actually perhaps they are not so concerned with who is up or who is down, they simply want someone who is going to represent them in what is a

different difficult time. hamilton west, and when you speak to voters, as i found out in this report, one thing that comes up time and time again isn't political parties, it's the cost of living.— again isn't political parties, it's the cost of living. caitlin shields is aaivin the cost of living. caitlin shields is giving me _ the cost of living. caitlin shields is giving me a — the cost of living. caitlin shields is giving me a tour, _ the cost of living. caitlin shields is giving me a tour, the - the cost of living. caitlin shields| is giving me a tour, the products stay frozen, their costs have not, their energy costs have jumped from 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. me’ee 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also not 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also got stuff — 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also got stuff in — 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also got stuff in vats _ 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also got stuff in vats as _ 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also got stuff in vats as well, _ 9000 to 19,000 pounds a month. we've also got stuff in vats as well, so - also got stuff in vats as well, so they require electricity to get charged up. it’s they require electricity to get charged up— they require electricity to get charged up. it's not 'ust tough times for business, _ charged up. it's notjust tough times for business, a - charged up. it's notjust tough times for business, a short . charged up. it's notjust tough l times for business, a short time away is the clear immunity centre where it is time to work off some ice cream. luke fulton runs a fitness class with a gym membership.

as i'm finding out, its high intensity. luke runs his fitness business with help from his girlfriend abby.— business with help from his uirlfriend abb . ., , ., , girlfriend abby. people are being su ueezed, girlfriend abby. people are being squeezed. your _ girlfriend abby. people are being squeezed, your background, - girlfriend abby. people are being i squeezed, your background, people walking, _ squeezed, your background, people walking, walk in pool, that's where the squeeze is the biggest. abby has had to switch — the squeeze is the biggest. abby has had to switch to _ the squeeze is the biggest. abby has had to switch to a _ the squeeze is the biggest. abby has had to switch to a cheaper _ the squeeze is the biggest. abby has had to switch to a cheaper gym - had to switch to a cheaper gym membership. it’s had to switch to a cheaper gym membership-— had to switch to a cheaper gym membership. had to switch to a cheaper gym membershi -. �*, ., ., ':: ., ., membership. it's another £10 to go an here membership. it's another £10 to go anywhere you _ membership. it's another £10 to go anywhere you want. _ membership. it's another £10 to go anywhere you want. i _ membership. it's another £10 to go anywhere you want. i have - membership. it's another £10 to go anywhere you want. i have to - membership. it's another £10 to go anywhere you want. i have to go i membership. it's another £10 to go | anywhere you want. i have to go for the lower— anywhere you want. i have to go for the lower option. _ anywhere you want. i have to go for the lower option.— the lower option. luke isn't convinced _ the lower option. luke isn't convinced that _ the lower option. luke isn't convinced that any - the lower option. luke isn't| convinced that any politician the lower option. luke isn't - convinced that any politician will address the cost of living. fin convinced that any politician will address the cost of living. on the olitical address the cost of living. on the political stage — address the cost of living. on the political stage that _ address the cost of living. on the political stage that has _ address the cost of living. on the political stage that has any - address the cost of living. on the political stage that has any kind l address the cost of living. on the | political stage that has any kind of real plan— political stage that has any kind of real plan to deal with it. and i think— real plan to deal with it. and i think a — real plan to deal with it. and i think a lot _ real plan to deal with it. and i think a lot of people are quite apathetic, in the area, about the political— apathetic, in the area, about the political process because i think, you know. — political process because i think, you know, it's one of those where the ship _ you know, it's one of those where the ship is — you know, it's one of those where the ship is sinking and we are arguing— the ship is sinking and we are arguing about whether to paint it white _ arguing about whether to paint it white or— arguing about whether to paint it white or black. gne

arguing about whether to paint it white or black.— white or black. one attendee, elizabeth. _ white or black. one attendee, elizabeth, works _ white or black. one attendee, elizabeth, works in _ white or black. one attendee, elizabeth, works in the - white or black. one attendee, - elizabeth, works in the community centre where there is also a feedback. centre where there is also a feedback-— centre where there is also a feedback. ~ ., ., , ., , feedback. we have to provide energy vouchers, feedback. we have to provide energy vouchers. they _ feedback. we have to provide energy vouchers, they keep _ feedback. we have to provide energy vouchers, they keep coming - feedback. we have to provide energy vouchers, they keep coming back- feedback. we have to provide energy vouchers, they keep coming back to | vouchers, they keep coming back to us, i can't keep it up because we can't afford the electricity. there are affluent _ can't afford the electricity. there are affluent parts _ can't afford the electricity. there are affluent parts in _ can't afford the electricity. there are affluent parts in this - are affluent parts in this constituency, most deprived areas in scotland, it simply feels like the cost of living is a huge issue here. that's echoed by school cleaner margaret. she tells me she may not even vote in the by election. do you think when it comes to the by election there is anyone to sort the issues? the result of this by election will be a significant event on the path to this by election. simile concerned with making ends meet. that was david wallace locher who spent a lot of time in the last few weeks in brother glenn and hamilton west, as you were watching

that report i'm told that the snp candidate, kitty lowden, has arrived at the count. i don't know what we can read into that, a lot of meeting and greeting and she's there. as we would hope, and expect. anyway, that's what's happening out there, let's turn to the studio now and our political panel. that was a fairly stark reminder of the reality out there when politics kind of collides with real people's lives. and i think we can assess from that, in one respect at least rishi sunak was right in his party conference, they don't like any of you. they are fairly set up, one guy saying the ship is sinking and they're just arguing over the colour of the paint, what you think of that. in my experience — paint, what you think of that. in my experience in _ paint, what you think of that. in my experience in the _ paint, what you think of that. in my experience in the by _ paint, what you think of that. in my experience in the by election - paint, what you think of that. in my experience in the by election as - experience in the by election as well, the people you can identify from your point of view, was not

discouraging but getting people to commit to voting to feeling it was really something that's going to change their lives was difficult for all the parties, whether it's energy costs, whether it's inflation, biggest drop of living standards in a generation, people really feel there is a sense of hopelessness. your party of government. i think it does mean that whoever is going to win a general election in scotland, they are going to have to inspire people, i don't think you can do that if the tory party with record you've got, or the labour who bankrupted it before. the snp have to be the ones to offer an inspirational chance to break that deadlock. you can't have a situation where you agree with the smith commission, you can't stop the people moving forward to independence if they want to do, there are no circumstances under which there would be a referendum on independence of scotland. i didn't get the right to say, and look at the turn out, it's nearly half of

what it was at the last election, it tells its own story, we have to listen to people are saying there, they are not happy. it is listen to people are saying there, they are not happy.— listen to people are saying there, they are not happy. it is smaller by election, they are not happy. it is smaller by election. people — they are not happy. it is smaller by election, people weren't _ they are not happy. it is smaller by election, people weren't talking i election, people weren't talking about the constitution on the doorstep, everybody kind of believes in that. ~ . . doorstep, everybody kind of believes in that. ~ , , . ., ., in that. westminster election and i think, in that. westminster election and i think. your — in that. westminster election and i think. your own — in that. westminster election and i think, your own reporter— in that. westminster election and i think, your own reporterjust - in that. westminster election and i think, your own reporterjust said i think, your own reporterjust said theissue think, your own reporterjust said the issue that came up more than anything else was the cost of living. people are really struggling. i was in a bank yesterday myself in brother glenn and people were talking about the cost of energy, the cost, the austerity for the best fuses beating people down. the ones who offer an inspirational way to move on from that. g ., . ~ 1. , inspirational way to move on from that. jackie bailey, your... in a coule that. jackie bailey, your... in a couple of _ that. jackie bailey, your... in a couple of days. _ that. jackie bailey, your... in a couple of days, is _ that. jackie bailey, your... in a couple of days, is keira - that. jackie bailey, your... in a| couple of days, is keira starmer going to find some meaningful policies? going to find some meaningful olicies? ~ �* .

going to find some meaningful olicies? ~ �* , ., ., policies? we've been doing that, we've had natural national, let me return to the issue — natural national, let me return to the issue that is actually the one being _ the issue that is actually the one being discussed on the doorsteps, because _ being discussed on the doorsteps, because david was right. it is the cost of— because david was right. it is the cost of living crisis and what people _ cost of living crisis and what people were telling us is that they have been— people were telling us is that they have been failed by both governments, so we had the economically illiterate tory government, we've had borisjohnson, liz government, we've had borisjohnson, liz truss. _ government, we've had borisjohnson, liz truss. now— government, we've had borisjohnson, liz truss, now rishi sunak, inflation _ liz truss, now rishi sunak, inflation is _ liz truss, now rishi sunak, inflation is going through the roof, people _ inflation is going through the roof, people are — inflation is going through the roof, people are struggling with their mortgages, would price inflation is up, everything is costing more. but people _ up, everything is costing more. but people are — up, everything is costing more. but people are being paid less, and to be frank— people are being paid less, and to be frank with you, they are sick of the division — be frank with you, they are sick of the division and the chaos. at the heart _ the division and the chaos. at the heart of— the division and the chaos. at the heart of both governments. instead of governments working together which _ of governments working together which is _ of governments working together which is what people want, to help alleviate _ which is what people want, to help alleviate the challenges they are facing. _ alleviate the challenges they are facing, we have two governments that fi-ht facing, we have two governments that fight with _ facing, we have two governments that fight with each other all the time and that— fight with each other all the time and that doesn't make a real difference to people on the ground. 10 one _ difference to people on the ground. 10 one has — difference to people on the ground. 10 one has been about change, has

been _ 10 one has been about change, has been about— 10 one has been about change, has been about saying, we are the change. — been about saying, we are the change, that will put money into people's— change, that will put money into people's pockets. we recognise the difficulties people are in and we want _ difficulties people are in and we want to— difficulties people are in and we want to help. difficulties people are in and we want to help-— difficulties people are in and we want to help. look, i thinkjackie is sa int want to help. look, i thinkjackie is saying labour— want to help. look, i thinkjackie is saying labour has _ want to help. look, i thinkjackie is saying labour has a _ want to help. look, i thinkjackie is saying labour has a plan, - is saying labour has a plan, there is saying labour has a plan, there is no _ is saying labour has a plan, there is no substance _ is saying labour has a plan, there is no substance to _ is saying labour has a plan, there is no substance to the _ is saying labour has a plan, there is no substance to the plan, - is saying labour has a plan, there is no substance to the plan, the i is no substance to the plan, the only— is no substance to the plan, the only person _ is no substance to the plan, the only person who _ is no substance to the plan, the only person who has _ is no substance to the plan, the only person who has a - is no substance to the plan, the only person who has a plan - is no substance to the plan, the only person who has a plan to l only person who has a plan to tackle the underlying — only person who has a plan to tackle the underlying factors _ only person who has a plan to tackle the underlying factors of— only person who has a plan to tackle the underlying factors of the - only person who has a plan to tackle the underlying factors of the cost. the underlying factors of the cost of living — the underlying factors of the cost of living crisis _ the underlying factors of the cost of living crisis is— the underlying factors of the cost of living crisis is rishi _ the underlying factors of the cost of living crisis is rishi sunak. - the underlying factors of the cost of living crisis is rishi sunak. hel of living crisis is rishi sunak. he wants— of living crisis is rishi sunak. he wants to — of living crisis is rishi sunak. he wants to bring _ of living crisis is rishi sunak. he wants to bring down _ of living crisis is rishi sunak. he wants to bring down inflation . of living crisis is rishi sunak. hel wants to bring down inflation and reduce _ wants to bring down inflation and reduce interest— wants to bring down inflation and reduce interest rates, _ wants to bring down inflation and reduce interest rates, in- wants to bring down inflation and reduce interest rates, in so- wants to bring down inflation andj reduce interest rates, in so doing getting _ reduce interest rates, in so doing getting people _ reduce interest rates, in so doing getting people in _ reduce interest rates, in so doing getting people in rutherglen- reduce interest rates, in so doing getting people in rutherglen and| getting people in rutherglen and throughout— getting people in rutherglen and throughout scotland _ getting people in rutherglen and throughout scotland through - getting people in rutherglen and throughout scotland through this cost of— throughout scotland through this cost of living _ throughout scotland through this cost of living crisis. _ throughout scotland through this cost of living crisis. he _ throughout scotland through this cost of living crisis. he has- throughout scotland through this cost of living crisis. he has a - cost of living crisis. he has a plan. — cost of living crisis. he has a plan. he's _ cost of living crisis. he has a plan, he's implementing - cost of living crisis. he has a| plan, he's implementing that cost of living crisis. he has a - plan, he's implementing that plan, and its— plan, he's implementing that plan, and it's quite — plan, he's implementing that plan, and it's quite clear— plan, he's implementing that plan, and it's quite clear that— plan, he's implementing that plan, and it's quite clear that plan- plan, he's implementing that plan, and it's quite clear that plan is- and it's quite clear that plan is working — and it's quite clear that plan is working because _ and it's quite clear that plan is working because inflation - and it's quite clear that plan is working because inflation is i working because inflation is falling _ working because inflation is fallin: . �* . working because inflation is fallina. . , ., ~ working because inflation is fallina. . , . ,, ~ falling. all his talk last week about rail — falling. all his talk last week about rail lines, _ falling. all his talk last week about rail lines, taxes, - falling. all his talk last week| about rail lines, taxes, speed limits, net zero. he about rail lines, taxes, speed limits, net zero.— about rail lines, taxes, speed limits, net zero. he said the best tax cut we _ limits, net zero. he said the best tax cut we could _ limits, net zero. he said the best tax cut we could give _ limits, net zero. he said the best tax cut we could give the - limits, net zero. he said the best tax cut we could give the people | limits, net zero. he said the best. tax cut we could give the people in scotland _ tax cut we could give the people in scotland and — tax cut we could give the people in scotland and the _ tax cut we could give the people in scotland and the rest _ tax cut we could give the people in scotland and the rest of the - tax cut we could give the people in scotland and the rest of the uk - tax cut we could give the people in scotland and the rest of the uk isl scotland and the rest of the uk is to bring _ scotland and the rest of the uk is to bring down— scotland and the rest of the uk is to bring down inflation— scotland and the rest of the uk is to bring down inflation and - scotland and the rest of the uk is to bring down inflation and for. to bring down inflation and for interest— to bring down inflation and for interest rates— to bring down inflation and for interest rates to _ to bring down inflation and for interest rates to fall. - to bring down inflation and for interest rates to fall. but - to bring down inflation and for interest rates to fall. but the i interest rates to fall. but the interest. _ interest rates to fall. but the interest, it's _ interest rates to fall. but the interest, it's a _ interest rates to fall. but the interest, it's a global- interest rates to fall. but the l interest, it's a global problem, jackie — interest, it's a global problem, jackie li2— interest, it's a global problem, jackie. liz trust, _

interest, it's a global problem, jackie. liz trust, you... - interest, it's a global problem, jackie. liz trust, you... to - interest, it's a global problem, jackie. liz trust, you... to go i jackie. liz trust, you... to go back. — jackie. liz trust, you... to go back. to _ jackie. liz trust, you... to go back. to go _ jackie. liz trust, you... to go back, to go back— jackie. liz trust, you... to go back, to go back to _ jackie. liz trust, you... to go back, to go back to keith's. jackie. liz trust, you... to go - back, to go back to keith's point. energy— back, to go back to keith's point. energy costs. _ back, to go back to keith's point. energy costs, the _ back, to go back to keith's point. energy costs, the cost _ back, to go back to keith's point. energy costs, the cost of - dek. to go back to keith's point. energy costs, the cost of living, i energy costs, the cost of living, public _ energy costs, the cost of living, public services _ energy costs, the cost of living, public services in _ energy costs, the cost of living, public services in scotland - energy costs, the cost of living, i public services in scotland under the snp. — public services in scotland under the snp. why— public services in scotland under the snp, why is— public services in scotland under the snp, why is the _ public services in scotland under the snp, why is the first - public services in scotland under. the snp, why is the first sentence, why is— the snp, why is the first sentence, why is the — the snp, why is the first sentence, why is the first _ the snp, why is the first sentence, why is the first sentence _ the snp, why is the first sentence, why is the first sentence of - why is the first sentence of the smp's — why is the first sentence of the smp's manifesto _ why is the first sentence of the smp's manifesto about - why is the first sentence of the - smp's manifesto about independence and not _ smp's manifesto about independence and not the _ smp's manifesto about independence and not the cost _ smp's manifesto about independence and not the cost of _ smp's manifesto about independence and not the cost of living _ smp's manifesto about independence and not the cost of living crisis? - and not the cost of living crisis? again. — and not the cost of living crisis? again. hold _ and not the cost of living crisis? again, hold that _ and not the cost of living crisis? again, hold that thought, - and not the cost of living crisis? again, hold that thought, we've and not the cost of living crisis? - again, hold that thought, we've got plenty more time this evening to get into the all the rest of it and we certainly want to. no though, there are six across scotland which are likely to be much more tightly contested as they have been in recent years, scotland as a whole is marginal right now. how much could tonight tell us about how the parties are doing and what is it going to mean for the race for number ten? going to mean for the race for numberten? let's going to mean for the race for number ten? let's take a look at the political map of scotland that we've become accustomed to over the last ten years or so. the snp one in

2019, the conservatives got six seats, the lib dems for, and labour just the one. 22 of those 59 seats have a margin of less than 10%, a reasonable swing in the vote could see them change hands, there is everything to play for at the next election. in the polls suggest labour support in scotland is on the rise, with the snp falling back from their highs in the last few years, that gap has disappeared and labour starts to move within touching distance. so where does roth or glenn —— 10 two: of this? it was snp's turn, it goes back to 10 one, there is another election in 2019 and it swings back to the snp. margaret ferrier one with a margin of votes that year, need a swing under 5% to change hands, so labour win tonight might not single a big

change in the electoral map, but a big labour when might raise some interesting questions about the next election. let's take a look at the other seats that are marginal. there are a few scottish went up here, eastern berkshire is there, joe swinson the former dem leader lost that seat to callahan last time around, it's the third most marginal seatin around, it's the third most marginal seat in the uk, the other one is murray, currently held by the conservative leader douglas ross, he is standing now but the snp art second and targeting being that seat. what are we noticing here? none of these wafer thin marginal�*s are actually fights between the labour and the smp. aside from rutherglen there are only five other seats they can target, so a swing for example of 6% to labour from the snp, it will only deliver it keira starmer a half a dozen seats. what

labour are hoping for tonight is a swing that puts far more seats in play if it's radical replicated in an election. could prounion voters pick whatever party has a better chance of winning? pull votes away from the smp core? so why do these scottish seats matter to who gets into number ten? well this was the map last time that labour where in government. keira starmer has been clear that if he is beaten to become prime minister he needs to have a sizeable group of scottish mps behind him. voting for the smpjust increases the chances of a conservative victory. enjoying the influences of being kingmakers, there mps are not going to back a tory administration. but the politics and the perception matter. if labour is to demonstrate political legitimacy across the uk, they need to recover at least some ground in scotland, and downing street might not be the only thing

on the line. the smp have put a lot of their political capital behind the idea that the outcome similar to this and the next election push their independence on the table. for conservatives they need to demonstrate they are not a feeding force in scotland, they are the second—largest party and they face a real fight to stay there. the result tonight isn't going to make spell changes, ahead of a nationwide contest it could have a significant impact. wright, philsent him contest it could have a significant impact. wright, phil sent him there with a big context, let's go to a man who lives and breathes these kind of stats and figures. want to ask you very specifically about the constitutional independence, is it still a great gain across scotland? it is still a very very important issue, shaping who party people vote for. at the time of the holyrood

parliament. voting for the smp less than 10% of those people were opposed to independence for the snp. that was relatively new, if you go back to 2011 when the snp got the majority at holyrood, that was on the back of nearly 40% of people who at that stage were opposed to dependence voting for the snp. politics in scotland were beginning to look like politics and northern island, the constitutional question was crucial. what is happened in... have stopped voting for the snp. much more from you from our pundits and our politicians as the night goes on, we could just be well half an hour away from a declaration, i don't know, but now it is time to bid a warm welcome to bbc one viewers who have justjoined bid a warm welcome to bbc one viewers who havejustjoined us viewers who have justjoined us from right across the rest of the uk, welcome to our coverages of the hamilton west by election result. if you are justjoining hamilton west by election result. if you arejustjoining us here is the,

the whispers we are getting from inside the hall in hamilton are that labour look like they are on for a good night. it looks like labour victory suggestions may seven, 8% victory, sirjohn curtis who you will all be familiar with, certainly a double digits lead would be a really good night for 10 one, the lower it gets into single figures the less legitimate their claims that it's a fantastic evening start to become the other headline of the night perhaps is the suggestion that the conservatives may have lost their deposit, they may have returned less than 5% of the vote, it only cost them 500 quid of course, in financial terms, it only cost them 500 quid of course, infinancialterms, but it only cost them 500 quid of course, in financial terms, but in terms of the political landscape of scotland and in terms of their wettability it would be really, really very bruising. let's get you straight back to that hall in hamilton, anotherface straight back to that hall in hamilton, another face you will be familiar to you, james cook. the

bbc�*s scotland editor can join us. james, give us the benefit of urinalysis and what you've been picking up there, too. —— your analysis. picking up there, too. -- your analysis-— picking up there, too. -- your analysis. picking up there, too. -- your anal sis. ., ., ., analysis. good morning to you and eve hint analysis. good morning to you and everything else. — analysis. good morning to you and everything else, one _ analysis. good morning to you and everything else, one very - analysis. good morning to you and everything else, one very senior . analysis. good morning to you and i everything else, one very senior snp source sent me a message not that long ago which said from their perspective i don't think anybody is expecting a win. and that pretty much sums up the mood here in this hall as well, among snp supporters and also among the labour party, they don't want to jinx it but they are quietly, somewhat quietly confident about victory here in this constituency and of course for the labour party they would regard that as a very important step forward. let's consider what we used to be, what we used to deal with here, this seat has flipped backward and forward in recent years between labour and the scottish national

party, but going back in history, this area what was for a long time solid red labour. indeed, the party's founder's down here, first time he stood here was nearby in a different part of this constituency as it is today, so that's a history in terms of 10 one, and one crucial factor in terms of that, between 1964 and 2010, there was not one general election when labour returned fewer than 40 scottish members of parliament to westminster, how many does the party right now, the answer is one, and we know that sir kier starmer is opening to double that tonight. he said that would be a milestone in what he described as 10 1's hard road back to power. he knows if he is to succeed in winning the keys to

downing street, winning some more seats in the general election in scotland will be extremely important for him, so this is a local matter in the snp will point out they say, look, turnout is low, the weather has been bad, they said that margaret farrier and the b havey or of margaret farrior, the previous snp incumbent who took a train after having tested positive for covert, they can see that the police investigation to the funding and finances of the party plus their status as an incumbent government also just that one would expect them as someone put it, get it kicking in a by election like this, they should be smooching us out of the park, putting all that to one side will be looking and we know we will be talking about this with your guests and not least with sirjohn for the margin of labor's victory and whether we can read across to the general election about that suggest

how well the labour party will do and whether or not it will ease sir kier starmer�*s past two number 10 downing street. i’m kier starmer's past two number 10 downing street.— kier starmer's past two number 10 downing street. i'm sure, let's get some more — downing street. i'm sure, let's get some more thoughts _ downing street. i'm sure, let's get some more thoughts than - downing street. i'm sure, let's get some more thoughts than from - downing street. i'm sure, let's get| some more thoughts than from our panel of pundits. from this perspective, welcome back, leslie let me ask you something, the pro—independence vote in scotland doesn't seem to change, it still whatever you make of it. within margin of error, 50%, 40, mid 40. where are those missing voters going? where are those missing voters atoin ? ~ where are those missing voters ttoin ? ~ ., �* where are those missing voters totin? . �* ., , where are those missing voters ttoin?. ., �* ., , ., going? well we haven't actually had enouth going? well we haven't actually had enough elections _ going? well we haven't actually had enough elections to _ going? well we haven't actually had enough elections to see _ going? well we haven't actually had enough elections to see them - going? well we haven't actually had enough elections to see them go i enough elections to see them go anywhere, they are sitting, waiting. and per earlier comments, we are waiting because what an independent supporter wants is the chance to have a second referendum on the changed circumstances that followed brexit and everything else. and when you can't have that, you need to

sort of decide how you will reallocate your vote if it comes to that. 50 reallocate your vote if it comes to that, ,, ., ., , , reallocate your vote if it comes to that. ., , , ., , reallocate your vote if it comes to that. . , , ., that. so have they given up hope on that. so have they given up hope on that and gone _ that. so have they given up hope on that and gone back _ that. so have they given up hope on that and gone back to _ that. so have they given up hope on that and gone back to labour- that. so have they given up hope on that and gone back to labour who i that and gone back to labour who represent their traditional left — right values? to represent their traditional left - right values?— right values? to me there is no going back- _ right values? to me there is no going back. when _ right values? to me there is no going back. when you - right values? to me there is no going back. when you have i going back. when you have re—envision scotland, where you've begun to realise all the things we've been talking about, the cost of living crisis, the ridiculous situation that an andrew g rich country has got the worst poverty in europe, there is no going back to just tweedledee and tweedledum, five years of labour, five years of the tories, ongoing for another generation, i wouldn't wish that on anybody. so maybe not unusual, we'll never know until there's another election to see whether the yes voters stick with the snp or not. tbs, voters stick with the snp or not. a lot of them are just sitting not voting for anybody. if lot of them are just sitting not voting for anybody.— lot of them are just sitting not voting for anybody. if you have no wa to voting for anybody. if you have no way to move _ voting for anybody. if you have no way to move towards _ voting for anybody. if you have no way to move towards an - voting for anybody. if you have no i way to move towards an independent referendum that is a bit of a

setback. that's where keith is absolutely right, the thing that has to come out of the october conference for the snp isn't absolutely invigorating strategy that begins to pull together what are currently seen as opposites which is the cost of living or independence. forthose which is the cost of living or independence. for those of us who are yes, they are the same thing. you have been a fair bit of time in the constituency as well, what were you hearing on the doorsteps out there, in terms of voter apathy, voter anger, what was the temperature?— voter anger, what was the temperature? voter anger, what was the tem terature? ., ., ., temperature? there were a lot of voters today _ temperature? there were a lot of voters today who _ temperature? there were a lot of voters today who are _ temperature? there were a lot of voters today who are turning i temperature? there were a lot of voters today who are turning up i temperature? there were a lot of| voters today who are turning up to the pull— voters today who are turning up to the pull stations but didn't feel like they— the pull stations but didn't feel like they were driven by anything positive — like they were driven by anything positive or inspiring. a lot of them are turning — positive or inspiring. a lot of them are turning up quite dejected, and the ones _ are turning up quite dejected, and the ones saying they were going to vote labour, not saying that they were _ vote labour, not saying that they were inspired by kyr starmer, it's more _ were inspired by kyr starmer, it's more because they are fed up with the snp. _ more because they are fed up with the snp, they are annoyed at that margaret— the snp, they are annoyed at that margaret ferrier situation but more so over— margaret ferrier situation but more so over the — margaret ferrier situation but more so over the last couple of months they felt— so over the last couple of months they felt very let down by what's been _

they felt very let down by what's been going on within the snp party. if been going on within the snp party. if you _ been going on within the snp party. if you look— been going on within the snp party. if you look at the opposites, they are saying — if you look at the opposites, they are saying well, i have confident labour _ are saying well, i have confident labour i'm — are saying well, i have confident labour i'm going to be sticking with the snp _ labour i'm going to be sticking with the snp not because i feel particularly inspired by government i’ili'it particularly inspired by government right now— particularly inspired by government right now but i don't really find any inspiration from any of the older— any inspiration from any of the older term but generally a sense of irritation— older term but generally a sense of irritation all around, no great appetite _ irritation all around, no great appetite or enthusiasm for politics generally — appetite or enthusiasm for politics generally. kier starmer has not managed — generally. kier starmer has not managed to capture their hearts. we were managed to capture their hearts. were talking managed to capture their hearts. - were talking about the party and the union in scotland, there was a... 10 one are inheriting that mantle now, is that how you see it. i one are inheriting that mantle now, is that how you see it.— is that how you see it. i think particular— is that how you see it. i think particular with _ is that how you see it. i think particular with the _ is that how you see it. i think particular with the by - is that how you see it. i think| particular with the by election is that how you see it. i think. particular with the by election it wouldn't — particular with the by election it wouldn't surprise me if the tory vote _ wouldn't surprise me if the tory vote was— wouldn't surprise me if the tory vote was inspected to collapse, people — vote was inspected to collapse, people would think, well, if i want to protect — people would think, well, if i want to protect the union night you would want to— to protect the union night you would want to choose 10 one in this, and i think— want to choose 10 one in this, and i think across — want to choose 10 one in this, and i think across the country there is that frustration about the past

years — that frustration about the past years of — that frustration about the past years of the tory government as well. and — years of the tory government as well, and people that don't want to ensure _ well, and people that don't want to ensure that scotland and england remain _ ensure that scotland and england remain as — ensure that scotland and england remain as one, that labour is going to be~~ _ remain as one, that labour is going to be... ., �* , remain as one, that labour is going tobe... ., �* , ., to be... you can't be looking for a soft and snp _ to be... you can't be looking for a soft and snp moat _ to be... you can't be looking for a soft and snp moat voters -- i to be... you can't be looking for a i soft and snp moat voters -- voters. soft and snp moat voters —— voters. on the vote of actual independence then you can do what you want, so right now we've got this ludicrous situation where people are voting for proxies, second—best, looks most likely to be the union, the face of the union, and actually that is not how democracy should work. westminster election and its first past the post, the only other people using that in europe are belarus, thatis using that in europe are belarus, that is on proportion or and weird this election that we are going towards will be, and out of all of that people have to make the best of it what they can. i that people have to make the best of

it what they can-— it what they can. i think also are tteole it what they can. i think also are people saying _ it what they can. i think also are people saying i _ it what they can. i think also are people saying i was _ it what they can. i think also are people saying i was once - it what they can. i think also are people saying i was once an i people saying i was once an independent supporter, i probably still with— independent supporter, i probably still with her that way, but it doesn't _ still with her that way, but it doesn't feel like it's within reach, and i_ doesn't feel like it's within reach, and i think— doesn't feel like it's within reach, and i think right now we've got this cost of— and i think right now we've got this cost of living crisis, we got the nhs _ cost of living crisis, we got the nhs difficulties, people want to see their day—to—day lives changing and that is— their day—to—day lives changing and that is not— their day—to—day lives changing and that is not something to be felt with the — that is not something to be felt with the scottish government so far. so the _ with the scottish government so far. so the conservatives for example, and labour had again whether the accusations, by denying a referendum because here's the evidence, seems to be working for them. itrefoil because here's the evidence, seems to be working for them.— to be working for them. well yes, terha ts to be working for them. well yes, perhaps people — to be working for them. well yes, perhaps people you _ to be working for them. well yes, perhaps people you know, - to be working for them. well yes, perhaps people you know, when i perhaps people you know, when they... get punch—drunk, it feels a little bit like that, what has to happen is a regrouping, come to use as a difficult time to start with, i was at that dundee convention, he did a good speech, he surprised everybody by how he handled the interruption, he's managed to steady the boat although he's still got internal challenges. the chance for him to really push the boat out and stepped out from behind the shadow is that conference in aberdeen and

really all eyes will be on that. if they don't do well, they get a sizeable. .. they don't do well, they get a sizeable... in they don't do well, they get a sizeable. . ._ they don't do well, they get a sizeable. .. they don't do well, they get a sizeable... . ., ,, sizeable. .. in a way that looks like it's been priced _ sizeable. .. in a way that looks like it's been priced in. _ sizeable. .. in a way that looks like it's been priced in. i _ sizeable. .. in a way that looks like it's been priced in. i don't - sizeable. .. in a way that looks like it's been priced in. i don't know, i it's been priced in. i don't know, ou tell it's been priced in. i don't know, you tell me- _ it's been priced in. i don't know, you tell me- i— it's been priced in. i don't know, you tell me. i think— it's been priced in. i don't know, you tell me. i think it _ it's been priced in. i don't know, you tell me. i think it has, i it's been priced in. i don't know, you tell me. i think it has, the i you tell me. i think it has, the comments _ you tell me. i think it has, the comments that _ you tell me. i think it has, the comments that were - you tell me. i think it has, the comments that were coming i you tell me. i think it has, the i comments that were coming from you tell me. i think it has, the - comments that were coming from the snp after today, you mentioned at the very start about difficult election and so on, although he has been here a lot, he has put the sot time in. irate been here a lot, he has put the sot time in. ~ ., been here a lot, he has put the sot time in. ~ . , , , ., time in. we are seeing this unusual dissent within _ time in. we are seeing this unusual dissent within the _ time in. we are seeing this unusual dissent within the snp _ time in. we are seeing this unusual dissent within the snp ranks, i dissent within the snp ranks, well—known figures openly speaking out, dissent didn't happen before and you know when fergus ewing was discipline, subtended from the party last week, kate forbes across the country were a members stood against him so for the leadership membership vote was literally and metaphorically by his side. is there a problem just bubbling brewing simmering away of the background? absolutely, and i think the problem currently— absolutely, and i think the problem currently facing the snp is they forget — currently facing the snp is they forget that there are a lot of scottish— forget that there are a lot of scottish voters who are not so far

along _ scottish voters who are not so far along this — scottish voters who are not so far along this progressive agenda, that the snp _ along this progressive agenda, that the snp are pushing. there are a lot of people _ the snp are pushing. there are a lot of people i_ the snp are pushing. there are a lot of people i spoke to today for example _ of people i spoke to today for example in hamilton, saying in many ways they— example in hamilton, saying in many ways they actually completely agree with many of the policy is that the labour— with many of the policy is that the labour intended has been pushing, but its— labour intended has been pushing, but it's one — labour intended has been pushing, but it's one of those that's quite difficult — but it's one of those that's quite difficult for them to switch from the snp — difficult for them to switch from the snp to labour because there's no trust there _ the snp to labour because there's no trust there either. the problem with the snp _ trust there either. the problem with the snpjust now as trust there either. the problem with the snp just now as they are not really— the snp just now as they are not really opening themselves up to having _ really opening themselves up to having hard debates, conversations between _ having hard debates, conversations between the two different sides of their membership, and as a result this infighting is bubbling up, getting — this infighting is bubbling up, getting ruth's, and really undermined their credibility. you've t iven undermined their credibility. you've tiven me undermined their credibility. you've given me plenty _ undermined their credibility. you've given me plenty of _ undermined their credibility. you've given me plenty of ammunition i undermined their credibility. you've given me plenty of ammunition to i given me plenty of ammunition to take across to the other side of this studio to put to our politicians. we are to start without. fractures, fissures, cracks, splinters appearing within your party. it's a problem isn't it? you're going to tell me perhaps it's not all is rosy, it's a wash. i

think to be perfectly honest if you look at what leslie has just said, about the prospects for democratic referendum then those frustrations are going to be in the snp is welcome and that's partly to do with the different views being expressed. it didn't happen under previous leaderships though has it? the sink incredible situation _ leaderships though has it? the sink incredible situation with _ leaderships though has it? the sink incredible situation with the - incredible situation with the democracy of the two parties under no circumstances will... despite the fact they signed up to that in 2015 it's a very extraordinary situation and it is producing pressure, maybe this is what the intention is. maybe that's the intention but i think because of how bad things are and we are going back to the track record of the snp and government 16 years almost the entirety of the which public budgets have been cut, first by labour then by the conservatives, that of course increases pressures. first by election for the snp in 16 years a government labour had five

in the last four years of government. so it's of course going to reduce those pressures and did you come back to the point, party political stuff is the fact that people notjust in rutherglen and hamilton, but across the country are getting beaten down by wage depression, by cost of living, by inflation, by energy costs, why is that the case that we are one of the richest energy countries in the world and yet we have the highest energy costs? i'm just going to say, they're not listening. but i was going to say was, they're going to have somebody here is to provide the tory party is saying that there is something that they need spending plans and read across the country we have just seen the tory vote slosh over to the labour party in unionist block and i

don't think you're going to get anything of change from the labour party and that is what is needed. you cannot expect to nick this snp support and people were largely in favour of independence and have other priorities from you position yourself as a party of union are positioned as the party of the union. ., ., . positioned as the party of the union. . .,, ., ,, ., union. that was not the issue on the doorste . , union. that was not the issue on the doorstep. the _ union. that was not the issue on the doorstep, the issue _ union. that was not the issue on the doorstep, the issue was the - union. that was not the issue on the doorstep, the issue was the cost i union. that was not the issue on the doorstep, the issue was the cost of i doorstep, the issue was the cost of living _ doorstep, the issue was the cost of living crisis— doorstep, the issue was the cost of living crisis and secondly, making work— living crisis and secondly, making work pay— living crisis and secondly, making work pay in — living crisis and secondly, making work pay in the crisis and the nhs. we have _ work pay in the crisis and the nhs. we have one in seven.— work pay in the crisis and the nhs. we have one in seven. party leader in scotland — we have one in seven. party leader in scotland with _ we have one in seven. party leader in scotland with the _ we have one in seven. party leader in scotland with the candidate i in scotland with the candidate arriving and everyone looks very happy and how long can they keep up this position on the constitution thatis this position on the constitution that is owed since 2014? unfortunately, the snp have been all over the _ unfortunately, the snp have been all over the place and it wasn't like long _ over the place and it wasn't like

long ago— over the place and it wasn't like long ago when nicola sturgeon. suggesting 50% plus one would deliver independence and then, we had a situation where it's not even the majority of seats it was just the majority of seats it was just the most seats, people do not see a clear route independence and the snp are struggling to protect one. i have to say that is not the priority for people — have to say that is not the priority for people on the doorsteps. judging b the for people on the doorsteps. judging by the greens _ for people on the doorsteps. judging by the greens in _ for people on the doorsteps. judging by the greens in the _ for people on the doorsteps. judging by the greens in the feasts, - for people on the doorsteps. judging by the greens in the feasts, you i for people on the doorsteps. judging by the greens in the feasts, you may be right and it seems like a good night for labour and certainly very happy for michael who will be the new mp and perhaps for a few months until the next election, who knows, there is one looming. what are you making of this?— making of this? challenging the notion that _ making of this? challenging the notion that there _ making of this? challenging the notion that there are _ making of this? challenging the notion that there are a - making of this? challenging the | notion that there are a challenge making of this? challenging the i notion that there are a challenge to the snp. _ notion that there are a challenge to the snp. that— notion that there are a challenge to the snp. that is— notion that there are a challenge to the snp, that is not— notion that there are a challenge to the snp, that is not the case, - the snp, that is not the case, looking — the snp, that is not the case, looking at— the snp, that is not the case, looking at the _ the snp, that is not the case, looking at the northeast, i the snp, that is not the case, j looking at the northeast, keir starmer— looking at the northeast, keir starmer has _ looking at the northeast, keir starmer has been _ looking at the northeast, keir starmer has been to -

looking at the northeast, keiri starmer has been to rutherglen looking at the northeast, keir- starmer has been to rutherglen more so than _ starmer has been to rutherglen more so than the _ starmer has been to rutherglen more so than the northeast _ starmer has been to rutherglen more so than the northeast because - starmer has been to rutherglen more so than the northeast because he i so than the northeast because he wants— so than the northeast because he wants show— so than the northeast because he wants show his _ so than the northeast because he wants show his face _ so than the northeast because he wants show his face there - so than the northeast because he wants show his face there due i so than the northeast because he wants show his face there due toi so than the northeast because he i wants show his face there due to the policy _ wants show his face there due to the policy but— wants show his face there due to the policy but there _ wants show his face there due to the policy. but there are _ wants show his face there due to the policy. but there are many reasons i policy. but there are many reasons why it's _ policy. but there are many reasons why it's a _ policy. but there are many reasons why it's a choice _ policy. but there are many reasons why it's a choice between - policy. but there are many reasons why it's a choice between the i why it's a choice between the scottish— why it's a choice between the scottish conservatives - why it's a choice between the scottish conservatives and i why it's a choice between the | scottish conservatives and the why it's a choice between the - scottish conservatives and the snp in the _ scottish conservatives and the snp in the east — scottish conservatives and the snp in the east and _ scottish conservatives and the snp in the east and an— scottish conservatives and the snp in the east and an angus _ scottish conservatives and the snp in the east and an angus and - scottish conservatives and the snp in the east and an angus and in - in the east and an angus and in those _ in the east and an angus and in those seats, _ in the east and an angus and in those seats, will— in the east and an angus and in those seats, will be _ in the east and an angus and in . those seats, will be history choice between _ those seats, will be history choice between them _ those seats, will be history choice between them and _ those seats, will be history choice between them and vitally- those seats, will be history choice i between them and vitally important that we _ between them and vitally important that we stress— between them and vitally important that we stress that _ between them and vitally important that we stress that are _ between them and vitally important that we stress that are focused - between them and vitally important that we stress that are focused on i that we stress that are focused on the peoples — that we stress that are focused on the peoples priorities— that we stress that are focused on the peoples priorities and - that we stress that are focused on the peoples priorities and they - that we stress that are focused on| the peoples priorities and they will happily— the peoples priorities and they will happily follow _ the peoples priorities and they will happily follow here _ the peoples priorities and they will happily follow here but _ the peoples priorities and they will happily follow here but the - the peoples priorities and they willi happily follow here but the problem is they keep on putting with the snp. and the _ they keep on putting with the snp. and the thing — they keep on putting with the snp. and the thing is. _ they keep on putting with the snp. and the thing is. you _ they keep on putting with the snp. and the thing is.— and the thing is. you put a cigarette — and the thing is. you put a cigarette paper _ and the thing is. you put a cigarette paper between i and the thing is. you put a l cigarette paper between the and the thing is. you put a - cigarette paper between the two of these _ cigarette paper between the two of these on _ cigarette paper between the two of these on gender recognition and between — these on gender recognition and between the snp and the tories in the front— between the snp and the tories in the front of the death run every single _ the front of the death run every single issue. the front of the death run every single issue-— the front of the death run every sinale issue. ~ , .,

single issue. wherever you gender recognition — single issue. wherever you gender recognition reform _ single issue. wherever you gender recognition reform does _ single issue. wherever you gender recognition reform does put - single issue. wherever you gender recognition reform does put in - recognition reform does put in jeopardy _ recognition reform does put in “eo ard . . recognition reform does put in “eoard . . ., . , recognition reform does put in “eoard. . ., but jeopardy. that was not raised. but ou were jeopardy. that was not raised. but you were flirting _ jeopardy. that was not raised. but you were flirting with _ jeopardy. that was not raised. but you were flirting with the - jeopardy. that was not raised. but you were flirting with the snp. - you were flirting with the snp. where — you were flirting with the snp. where you _ you were flirting with the snp. where you are _ you were flirting with the snp. where you are in _ you were flirting with the snp. where you are in hate - you were flirting with the snp. where you are in hate crimes. you were flirting with the snp. - where you are in hate crimes which restrict— where you are in hate crimes which restrict the — where you are in hate crimes which restrict the freedom _ where you are in hate crimes which restrict the freedom of _ where you are in hate crimes which restrict the freedom of speech - where you are in hate crimes which restrict the freedom of speech in i restrict the freedom of speech in this country _ restrict the freedom of speech in this country. you _ restrict the freedom of speech in this country. you were _ restrict the freedom of speech in this country. you were standingi restrict the freedom of speech in - this country. you were standing with an footing _ this country. you were standing with an footing but — this country. you were standing with an footing but the _ this country. you were standing with an footing but the snp. _ this country. you were standing with an footing but the snp. let - this country. you were standing with an footing but the snp.— this country. you were standing with an footing but the snp. let me touch on that. an footing but the snp. let me touch on that- we're _ an footing but the snp. let me touch on that. we're talking _ an footing but the snp. let me touch on that. we're talking about - an footing but the snp. let me touch on that. we're talking about culture | on that. we're talking about culture wars that seems to be the direction your party is going for. i wars that seems to be the direction your party is going for.— your party is going for. i said yesterday. — your party is going for. i said yesterday, but _ your party is going for. i said yesterday, but i _ your party is going for. i said yesterday, but i would - your party is going for. i said yesterday, but i would not i your party is going for. i said i yesterday, but i would not have chosen — yesterday, but i would not have chosen that _ yesterday, but i would not have chosen that language. - yesterday, but i would not have chosen that language. i - yesterday, but i would not have chosen that language. i do - yesterday, but i would not have| chosen that language. i do think that there — chosen that language. i do think that there are _ chosen that language. i do think that there are some _ chosen that language. i do think that there are some legitimate i that there are some legitimate questions _ that there are some legitimate questions to _ that there are some legitimate questions to be _ that there are some legitimate questions to be asked - that there are some legitimate questions to be asked but - that there are some legitimate questions to be asked but we i that there are some legitimate i questions to be asked but we will choose _ questions to be asked but we will choose our— questions to be asked but we will choose our language _ questions to be asked but we will choose our language differently. questions to be asked but we will| choose our language differently in scotland~ — choose our language differently in scotland~ he _ choose our language differently in scotland. he and _ choose our language differently in scotland. he and division. - choose our language differently in scotland. he and division.- scotland. he and division. putting ou off on scotland. he and division. putting you off on that — scotland. he and division. putting you off on that and _ scotland. he and division. putting you off on that and focus - scotland. he and division. putting you off on that and focus on the i you off on that and focus on the home secretary putting of the speech that was included by number ten and just our language, that is her, that is the language of the government

and the tone of your government. referred he is writing a journal article with the prime minister of italy saying to the rest of europe, come on guys, take the tougher stance on immigration as we have stopped with fundamentally. talking here. stopped with fundamentally. talking here- people — stopped with fundamentally. talking here. people are _ stopped with fundamentally. talking here. people are demanding - stopped with fundamentally. talking here. people are demanding change | here. people are demanding change and the only — here. people are demanding change and the only vehicle _ here. people are demanding change and the only vehicle for _ here. people are demanding change and the only vehicle for change - here. people are demanding change and the only vehicle for change is i and the only vehicle for change is now this party. you and the only vehicle for change is now this party-— and the only vehicle for change is now this party. you sound confident of victo . now this party. you sound confident of victory- have _ now this party. you sound confident of victory. have to _ now this party. you sound confident of victory. have to wait _ now this party. you sound confident of victory. have to wait for - now this party. you sound confident of victory. have to wait for the - of victory. have to wait for the results but _ of victory. have to wait for the results but i _ of victory. have to wait for the results but i think _ of victory. have to wait for the results but i think we're - of victory. have to wait for the results but i think we're really| results but i think we're really confident of having a strong showing in getting strong results in the springboard into the next election and people across scotland, when i take on this job two years ago, i did with humility in recognising their long journey to go to work for

every vote to earn people trust and deserve to win again, this is just one further step in this journey and thatis one further step in this journey and that is still far away from completion and everyone who has voted for us this constituency, thank you will not let you down but this is not the end, this does the start of rebuilding something special in building something really special in building something really special and involving the change that scotland needs. s are people enthusiastic? a couple years ago, of course, many people as possible will come out and vote in every election regardless of support because democracy and i honestly believe the next general election, the be even stronger than the spy election and people sending message and demand change and general election is an opportunity to vote for change and there is no rival to the scottish labour party and we are not the

vehicle for change for people across the country. thank you.— the country. thank you. asking the ruestions the country. thank you. asking the questions and _ the country. thank you. asking the questions and the _ the country. thank you. asking the questions and the leader— the country. thank you. asking the questions and the leader of - the country. thank you. asking the questions and the leader of the - questions and the leader of the scottish labour. he sounds confident and i think. everyone has been involved for a period of time, and the candidates involved and labour candidate for the snp who is absolutely fantastic candidate in the work she has put in and the people i've spoken to a be impressed by her at i like to record my thanks. she impressed by her at i like to record my thanks-— my thanks. she did not get back up from our my thanks. she did not get back up from your party. —

my thanks. she did not get back up from your party. did _ my thanks. she did not get back up from your party, did she? - my thanks. she did not get back up from your party, did she? she - my thanks. she did not get back up. from your party, did she? she would sa that, from your party, did she? she would say that. going _ from your party, did she? she would say that, going back— from your party, did she? she would say that, going back to _ from your party, did she? she would say that, going back to the punch i from your party, did she? she would | say that, going back to the punch me before, and suggesting the labouring conservatives working together in the difference she made was immigration, labour or cheek to cheek with the party and the british jobs in british workers, not proposing anything different on immigration and across the country, tories and labour have been a coalition then counsels they have no problem working together and that seem with tory votes switching across. i seem with tory votes switching across. , seem with tory votes switching across. . . ., . ~ seem with tory votes switching across. . .~ . ~ 1_ , seem with tory votes switching across. . , , across. i believe jackie bayley is auoin to across. i believe jackie bayley is going to take — across. i believe jackie bayley is going to take you _ across. i believe jackie bayley is going to take you to _ across. i believe jackie bayley is going to take you to task - across. i believe jackie bayley is going to take you to task on - across. i believe jackie bayley is l going to take you to task on that. across. i believe jackie bayley is i going to take you to task on that. i will say to you, what voters say that _ will say to you, what voters say that in — will say to you, what voters say that in constituencies, they are said to — that in constituencies, they are said to us — that in constituencies, they are said to us that they've had enough of 13 years — said to us that they've had enough of 13 years of the tories, they've had enough of 16 years of the scottish— had enough of 16 years of the scottish national party and they feel failed by both governments and they want— feel failed by both governments and they want to change and they voted

positively _ they want to change and they voted positively for change and our issues and or— positively for change and our issues and or leaflets are about the issues in the _ and or leaflets are about the issues in the 5&p — and or leaflets are about the issues in the s&p leaflets were all attacked on labour. there was no positive _ attacked on labour. there was no positive agenda coming forward from the snp _ positive agenda coming forward from the snp it— positive agenda coming forward from the snp. it is really depressing to see and _ the snp. it is really depressing to see and i— the snp. it is really depressing to see and i hope scottish politics was tletter— see and i hope scottish politics was better than that.— better than that. they also said 'ust better than that. they also said just before _ better than that. they also said just before we _ better than that. they also said just before we cut _ better than that. they also said just before we cut our- better than that. they also said | just before we cut our interview, this is the seismic night and they certainly want to create that impression. look, if this is in labour can pick up seats like the similar across this part of central scotland, that is a worry for your party, isn't it shall be brought out the seats in 2017 these get 60% of the seats in 2017 these get 60% of the votes and seats. but i'm talking about the next election in the fight for westminster. about the next election in the fight forwestminster. in about the next election in the fight for westminster. in these conditions for westminster. in these conditions for the doorsteps, can i pay tribute to our candidates who really showed how to do this because they were

necessarily the doorsteps he would went on but. he necessarily the doorsteps he would went on but-— went on but. he was very strong candidate who _ went on but. he was very strong candidate who stands _ went on but. he was very strong candidate who stands up - went on but. he was very strong candidate who stands up for - candidate who stands up for local people. but fundamentally, if you look at the selection, this is one seat of many and jackie can say safely but she can go to the seeds we are very much in contention with the s&p because of the end of the day, counseled by elections and the people who vote for this can move the s&p because people are rightly very angry this constituency and also very angry about the divided snp. ., , ., also very angry about the divided snp. ., , ,, ., snp. people on the doorsteps are makin: snp. people on the doorsteps are making their _ snp. people on the doorsteps are making their views _ snp. people on the doorsteps are making their views known - snp. people on the doorsteps are making their views known and - snp. people on the doorsteps are. making their views known and their footing _ making their views known and their footing and increasing numbers for labour— footing and increasing numbers for labour trut— footing and increasing numbers for labour but this is significant not 'ust labour but this is significant not just in— labour but this is significant not just in scotland but for the whole of the _ just in scotland but for the whole of the uk — just in scotland but for the whole of the uk we've always said there is no route _ of the uk we've always said there is no route back for the majority labour— no route back for the majority labour government that doesn't run through— labour government that doesn't run through scotland and we are showing that route _

through scotland and we are showing that route exists. you through scotland and we are showing that route exists.— that route exists. you will have to net that route exists. you will have to get crafting _ that route exists. you will have to get crafting and — that route exists. you will have to get crafting and dispelled - that route exists. you will have to get crafting and dispelled across i get crafting and dispelled across scotland. it get crafting and dispelled across scotland. . . get crafting and dispelled across scotland. , , ., get crafting and dispelled across scotland. , ., , scotland. it is based on the points the the idea _ scotland. it is based on the points the the idea that _ scotland. it is based on the points the the idea that if _ scotland. it is based on the points the the idea that if i _ scotland. it is based on the points the the idea that if i was - scotland. it is based on the points the the idea that if i was to - scotland. it is based on the points the the idea that if i was to hoard | the the idea that if i was to hoard any logic, — the the idea that if i was to hoard any logic, the _ the the idea that if i was to hoard any logic, the whole _ the the idea that if i was to hoard any logic, the whole country- the the idea that if i was to hoard any logic, the whole country of. the the idea that if i was to hoard i any logic, the whole country of the liberal— any logic, the whole country of the liberal democrats _ any logic, the whole country of the liberal democrats and _ any logic, the whole country of the liberal democrats and the - any logic, the whole country of the liberal democrats and the results i liberal democrats and the results they've _ liberal democrats and the results they've had — liberal democrats and the results they've had south _ liberal democrats and the results they've had south of _ liberal democrats and the results they've had south of the - liberal democrats and the results they've had south of the border. liberal democrats and the results| they've had south of the border is not a _ they've had south of the border is not a suggested _ they've had south of the border is not a suggested stop _ they've had south of the border is not a suggested stop right - they've had south of the border isi not a suggested stop right they're saying _ not a suggested stop right they're saying we're — not a suggested stop right they're saying we're back. _ not a suggested stop right they're saying we're back. if _ not a suggested stop right they're saying we're back. if labour - not a suggested stop right they're saying we're back. if labour party| saying we're back. if labour party managed — saying we're back. if labour party managed to — saying we're back. if labour party managed to win _ saying we're back. if labour party managed to win back— saying we're back. if labour party managed to win back the - saying we're back. if labour party managed to win back the seats i saying we're back. if labour party. managed to win back the seats out saying we're back. if labour party- managed to win back the seats out of the last— managed to win back the seats out of the last election _ managed to win back the seats out of the last election and _ managed to win back the seats out of the last election and that means - the last election and that means they can — the last election and that means they can win— the last election and that means they can win seats _ the last election and that means they can win seats across - the last election and that means l they can win seats across scotland and i _ they can win seats across scotland and i do _ they can win seats across scotland and i do not — they can win seats across scotland and i do not think— they can win seats across scotland and i do not think so— they can win seats across scotland and i do not think so that - they can win seats across scotland and i do not think so that is - and i do not think so that is complete _ and i do not think so that is complete nonsense - and i do not think so that is complete nonsense to - and i do not think so that is complete nonsense to say. and i do not think so that is i complete nonsense to say that and i do not think so that is - complete nonsense to say that for labour— complete nonsense to say that for labour to — complete nonsense to say that for labour to get _ complete nonsense to say that for labour to get a _ complete nonsense to say that for labour to get a majority, - complete nonsense to say that for labour to get a majority, they- complete nonsense to say that for| labour to get a majority, they have to get _ labour to get a majority, they have to get so _ labour to get a majority, they have to get so many, _ labour to get a majority, they have to get so many, they— labour to get a majority, they have to get so many, they can— labour to get a majority, they have to get so many, they can lose - labour to get a majority, they have l to get so many, they can lose every single _ to get so many, they can lose every single vote — to get so many, they can lose every single vote in — to get so many, they can lose every single vote in scotland _ to get so many, they can lose every single vote in scotland is to - to get so many, they can lose every single vote in scotland is to have i single vote in scotland is to have majority — single vote in scotland is to have ma'ori . ~ . ., .. single vote in scotland is to have ma'ori . ~ . ., ., majority. much more to chew over we have the results. _ majority. much more to chew over we have the results. that's _ majority. much more to chew over we have the results. that's quebec - have the results. that's quebec to hamilton from where we will get the result at some point in the next half hour, who knows, perhaps i can shed some light and give us more

details. we are working on the assumption that will be approaching 1am and getting a result there and i think you saw the footage of the labour candidates arriving here and ifear labour candidates arriving here and i fear the reception that you got was one for someone who has had a good result in the by election to becoming the next mp and for a bit of context, that will mean scotland scottish labour left is making peace and will be two labour mps from scotland and westminster and think back to 2010 when they were used to dominate scotland. and a reminder of the context and i think with the activists in the party officials are thinking is that they called it as seismic moment and this is the party turning things around in scotland

for perhaps some might suggest that the party can recover and if you wouldn't see her tonight, which looks like you will, if he wins big, it will be seen as a massive boost to labour and many in the snp because many seats across the sanctuary in scotland and others where there is that labour snp had to have come all of a sudden, labour starts making progress in the seats in the context of a general election, that can be very difficult for the snp. thank you very much indeed and right, at my right hand side, john curtis, very pleased, let's have a look at the figures the margins of victories and percentages.— margins of victories and percentages. would get the declaration _ percentages. would get the declaration of _ percentages. would get the declaration of a _ percentages. would get the declaration of a few - percentages. would get the l declaration of a few numbers percentages. would get the - declaration of a few numbers ready to listen out for because we know

the turnout in a pretty good idea as to what kinds of majorities unlikely to what kinds of majorities unlikely to mean and roughly what 50% and by the way in the party gets much more of 2050 votes, they got over half the votes, what are two suggestions that some think maybe they'll do that some think maybe they'll do that but i have to wait and see. but the 10% majorities are the benchmark that labour would like to receive. labour are going to be roughly 3000 votes ahead of the snp. it will become of labour leaders on get one half thousand, only 5% lead with a 10% lead that's about 2000 majority in 3000 probably a 10% leave in 2003

to 7% lead in 1500 minutes about 500 and yes, for doing really well, and 15,000 votes there will be able to claim a majority of the constituency and they'll be very much the higher end of expectations. tastes and they'll be very much the higher end of expectations.— and they'll be very much the higher end of expectations. was present in the hole and — end of expectations. was present in the hole and a _ end of expectations. was present in the hole and a word _ end of expectations. was present in the hole and a word from _ end of expectations. was present in the hole and a word from labour- the hole and a word from labour sources as they particularly happy because some of the big photos come from areas that are very safely snp. the honest truth is there's always going to be two foundations for labour party to win this and one was by squeezing the conservative vote because indeed, everyone tends to forget this, the initialfoundation of the revival of the labour party in scotland is exactly the same foundation of the revival of the labour party across the uk as a whole and its borisjohnson and party gate which is when they

overtook the border for second party gate which is when they overtook the borderfor second place in the second, liz truss, the event is where labour party was beginning to get 30% and that is the initial foundation but then, to be able to challenge the snp has been the decline in the snp vote frankly since nicola sturgeon announced she was going to resign in the period of the snp leadership contest and the divisions within the snp is when it went down and also that means they began to pick up some people who were here for two. that began to pick up some people who were here for two.— were here for two. that will turn back to my _ were here for two. that will turn back to my panel _ were here for two. that will turn back to my panel now _ were here for two. that will turn back to my panel now and - were here for two. that will turn back to my panel now and from | were here for two. that will turn i back to my panel now and from the spectator, thank you very much again forjoining us an interesting stuff that those looking to do with labour, this is other people feeling and doing your hard work for you. the conference starts in liverpool and it's a big moment for keir

starmer. some would place back in day and charlie, various others of come out and said, he's going to jump come out and said, he's going to jump to it and stomach and policy. expand. excellent news. it is jump to it and stomach and policy. expand. excellent news. it is really imortant expand. excellent news. it is really important conference _ expand. excellent news. it is really important conference for— expand. excellent news. it is really important conference for labour i expand. excellent news. it is really| important conference for labour and proposition— important conference for labour and proposition to dominate the news waves _ proposition to dominate the news waves and — proposition to dominate the news waves and you can dominate coverage and your— waves and you can dominate coverage and your people get hurt. and marie qoinq _ and your people get hurt. and marie going to _ and your people get hurt. and marie going to see, we are going to see patriotism — going to see, we are going to see patriotism again, country first, country— patriotism again, country first, country first and not party first we've — country first and not party first we've had _ country first and not party first we've had a conference it's all about— we've had a conference it's all about keir— we've had a conference it's all about keir starmerand we've had a conference it's all about keir starmer and the team speaking — about keir starmer and the team speaking to britain and you will see more _ speaking to britain and you will see more of _ speaking to britain and you will see more of. ., ., , .., , speaking to britain and you will see more of. ., ., , , , more of. patriotism, country first, union jack — more of. patriotism, country first, union jack and _ more of. patriotism, country first, union jack and all _ more of. patriotism, country first, union jack and all of _ more of. patriotism, country first, union jack and all of that. - more of. patriotism, country first,

union jack and all of that. it - more of. patriotism, country first, union jack and all of that. it works because real _ union jack and all of that. it works because real patriots, _ union jack and all of that. it works because real patriots, were - union jack and all of that. it works because real patriots, were not i because real patriots, were not nationalists, patriots.— because real patriots, were not nationalists, patriots. there's a constituency — nationalists, patriots. there's a constituency that _ nationalists, patriots. there's a constituency that you're - nationalists, patriots. there's a constituency that you're after i nationalists, patriots. there's a l constituency that you're after and didn't really respond to that sort of things. didn't really respond to that sort of thins. �* .. didn't really respond to that sort of thins. �* ., , ., didn't really respond to that sort ofthinas. �* .. , ., ,. of things. vat on private school fees and that _ of things. vat on private school fees and that money _ of things. vat on private school fees and that money will- of things. vat on private school fees and that money will be - of things. vat on private school l fees and that money will be spent of things. vat on private school - fees and that money will be spent on education _ fees and that money will be spent on education and it will be given through— education and it will be given through scotland in hopes that they'll— through scotland in hopes that they'll spend the money on education and they— they'll spend the money on education and they wish to as long as there is and they wish to as long as there is a snp _ and they wish to as long as there is a snp government here in the policies — a snp government here in the policies on this question the service _ policies on this question the service and very clear policies which — service and very clear policies which are _ service and very clear policies which are about to text in our area unfairness, — which are about to text in our area unfairness, moving in the big win, the absolutely big one which is absolutely is the mission of the next, _ absolutely is the mission of the next. 50, — absolutely is the mission of the next, 50, 60, 70 years which absolutely is the mission of the next, 50, 60,70 years which is tackling — next, 50, 60,70 years which is tackling the _ next, 50, 60,70 years which is tackling the climate crisis. we next, 50, 60, 70 years which is tackling the climate crisis. we are offerin: tackling the climate crisis. we are offering the _ tackling the climate crisis. we are

offering the uk — tackling the climate crisis. we are offering the uk £28 _ tackling the climate crisis. we are offering the uk £28 billion - tackling the climate crisis. we are offering the uk £28 billion a - tackling the climate crisis. we are offering the uk £28 billion a year| offering the uk £28 billion a year offering the uk £28 billion a year of investment, starting off and renovating homes and cutting the bills, the energy bills for people and that money for an industrial transition in the industrialisation of the country, jobs and renewable industries everywhere. is a been badgering keir starmer today to stand up at the conference and bring up stand up at the conference and bring up some policies because so far, there's this base analogy that when you have this, it's precious he must not drop it, do not scare the horses or do anything rash, you have to hold on, which way does it go, does he hold on the vase and just go for it? he hold on the vase and 'ust go for it? , , ., he hold on the vase and 'ust go for it? , i. ., . he hold on the vase and 'ust go for it? , . ,, it? these you scotland is being proportion _ it? these you scotland is being proportion to — it? these you scotland is being proportion to the _ it? these you scotland is being proportion to the next - it? these you scotland is being proportion to the next election | it? these you scotland is being - proportion to the next election and they have to change the messaging and to capture people who have directed this and so far, we have no idea were we going to go next but what is interesting is hearing labour view the central belt of

scotland as is the very first redwall and i think that getting this constituency back if we do when it is going to bolster this momentum and go to the north of england and the rest of the uk and the seat may be not the most for them to win back for the seats and they have majority and as a vulnerable seat for them and as a vulnerable seat for them and we don't know how they will respond. and we don't know how they will resond. �* . and we don't know how they will resond. �* , ., and we don't know how they will resond. �* . ., ., respond. attempted to deliver and voters are backman _ respond. attempted to deliver and voters are backman north - respond. attempted to deliver and voters are backman north and - respond. attempted to deliver and i voters are backman north and tories. it's a different message that gets the snp vote in scotland and how will he straddle this to? it’s the snp vote in scotland and how will he straddle this to? it's about lookin: at will he straddle this to? it's about looking at what _ will he straddle this to? it's about looking at what people _ will he straddle this to? it's about looking at what people are - will he straddle this to? it's about| looking at what people are missing and the day—to—day issues of cost—of—living crisis in health system and when you look at the tory

government and the snp government and ethics have been for people and speaking again, but there was fed up with party politics in someone is going to turn and say look, this is going to turn and say look, this is going to turn and say look, this is going to change your life. lltlul’iiiii going to turn and say look, this is going to change your life. will come back to this — going to change your life. will come back to this later _ going to change your life. will come back to this later and _ going to change your life. will come back to this later and it _ going to change your life. will come back to this later and it is _ going to change your life. will come back to this later and it is a - going to change your life. will come back to this later and it is a big - back to this later and it is a big victory, unlocking the purse strings in the big fighting fund and scottish labour and going on, get that across central scotland and the purse strings get tightened again and down to the north of england, is that of her analysis,— that of her analysis, which you see is in the scottish _ that of her analysis, which you see is in the scottish general- is in the scottish general secretary, you see real talent from across— secretary, you see real talent from across the — secretary, you see real talent from across the movement brought to bear in an area _ across the movement brought to bear in an area in _ across the movement brought to bear in an area in the first part of

working— in an area in the first part of working class support to move away and by— working class support to move away and by investing in the talent and the money— and by investing in the talent and the money in the campaign, we've turned _ the money in the campaign, we've turned a _ the money in the campaign, we've turned a corner. and you said in performance related pay, what there is a scotland it's not that labour is a scotland it's not that labour is to— is a scotland it's not that labour is to crack— is a scotland it's not that labour is to crack and so, we've had our worst— is to crack and so, we've had our worst election defeat since the i930s — worst election defeat since the 1930s and labour now in 1986, a couple _ 1930s and labour now in 1986, a couple years ago, was a 1984. lib risk of— couple years ago, was a1984. lib risk of 1984— couple years ago, was a 1984. lib risk of 1984 to 1996 two years under keir starmer, that's most extraordinary achievement by any political— extraordinary achievement by any political figure and he has a great legacy— political figure and he has a great legacy to — political figure and he has a great legacy to build on from jeremy corbyn — legacy to build on from jeremy corb n. . ., , legacy to build on from jeremy corb n. . .,, ., . , corbyn. given he was an jeremy corb n's corbyn. given he was an jeremy corbyn's cabinet. _ corbyn. given he was an jeremy corbyn's cabinet. if _ corbyn. given he was an jeremy corbyn's cabinet. if you're - corbyn. given he was an jeremy corbyn's cabinet. if you're not i corbyn. given he was an jeremy| corbyn's cabinet. if you're not an mp, ou corbyn's cabinet. if you're not an mp. you cannot— corbyn's cabinet. if you're not an mp, you cannot become - corbyn's cabinet. if you're not an mp, you cannot become a - corbyn's cabinet. if you're not an | mp, you cannot become a leader, corbyn's cabinet. if you're not an - mp, you cannot become a leader, and you cannot, _ mp, you cannot become a leader, and you cannot, he played a strategic

qame _ you cannot, he played a strategic game and — you cannot, he played a strategic game and became leader of the party. shape _ game and became leader of the party. shape shifting. he game and became leader of the party. shape shifting-— shape shifting. he put boris johnson down and it was _ shape shifting. he put boris johnson down and it was keir— shape shifting. he put boris johnson down and it was keir starmer's - down and it was keir starmer's questions _ down and it was keir starmer's questions they got boris johnson to lie in the _ questions they got boris johnson to lie in the comments about party gate and thus— lie in the comments about party gate and thus the beginning of the end. asking _ and thus the beginning of the end. asking the — and thus the beginning of the end. asking the man who used to sit extra jeremy corbyn who are you really and what you actually believe. he is the man to put — what you actually believe. he is the man to put jeremy _ what you actually believe. he is the man to put jeremy corbyn - what you actually believe. he is the man to put jeremy corbyn out - what you actually believe. he is the man to put jeremy corbyn out of. what you actually believe. he is the | man to put jeremy corbyn out of the labour _ man to put jeremy corbyn out of the labour party and every time the tories _ labour party and every time the tories mentioned jeremy corbyn the thing. _ tories mentioned jeremy corbyn the thing. yet. _ tories mentioned jeremy corbyn the thing, yet, what's happened to him? 0h, thing, yet, what's happened to him? 0h. keir— thing, yet, what's happened to him? 0h, keirstarmertook overand thing, yet, what's happened to him? 0h, keir starmertook overand he is the emblem— 0h, keir starmertook overand he is the emblem of the change of ripping anti—semitism out of the labour party— anti—semitism out of the labour party at— anti—semitism out of the labour party at the roots. his jeremy corbyn — party at the roots. his jeremy corbyn sitting is a lonely member in the party _ corbyn sitting is a lonely member in the party. gf corbyn sitting is a lonely member in the -a . , �* corbyn sitting is a lonely member in the -a . . �* , the party. of course, we've been talkin: the party. of course, we've been talking about _ the party. of course, we've been talking about this _ the party. of course, we've been talking about this big _ the party. of course, we've been talking about this big a _ the party. of course, we've been talking about this big a two - the party. of course, we've beenl talking about this big a two quarts race between the two parties but the

voters have quite a choice in a formality because there are 14 candidates standing in one of those parties was the scottish joined by ross, thank you very much for joining us in the first question why did the greens stand. it’s joining us in the first question why did the greens stand.— did the greens stand. it's more important _ did the greens stand. it's more important than _ did the greens stand. it's more important than ever _ did the greens stand. it's more important than ever and - did the greens stand. it's more i important than ever and confident record _ important than ever and confident record result because of nothing else, _ record result because of nothing else, the — record result because of nothing else, the greens are standing is more _ else, the greens are standing is more important than ever, we have so many— more important than ever, we have so many people _ more important than ever, we have so many people in the auction at the demand _ many people in the auction at the demand climate action in the prime ministers _ demand climate action in the prime ministers approved oil and gas for the uk _ ministers approved oil and gas for the uk government resume scotland, with the _ the uk government resume scotland, with the greens are governing, we have _ with the greens are governing, we have to _ with the greens are governing, we have to make it cheaper and easier for people — have to make it cheaper and easier for people to leave the card, use the train — for people to leave the card, use the train. and we have been able to have a _ the train. and we have been able to have a story— the train. and we have been able to have a story about but they can do when _ have a story about but they can do when they— have a story about but they can do when they elect them and because what's _ when they elect them and because what's been in the news and people been really keen to talk to us about how we _ been really keen to talk to us about how we can — been really keen to talk to us about how we can demand greater climate

action— how we can demand greater climate action from — how we can demand greater climate action from our government. realistically, one part of it you're going to take votes off of it as an independent party, probably the coalition partners, did you make it harderfor them? coalition partners, did you make it harderforthem? i coalition partners, did you make it harder for them?— coalition partners, did you make it harder for them? i think the margin between labour— harder for them? i think the margin between labour and _ harder for them? i think the margin between labour and the _ harder for them? i think the margin between labour and the snp - harder for them? i think the margin between labour and the snp a - harder for them? i think the margin between labour and the snp a plan| harder for them? i think the margin i between labour and the snp a plan to be more _ between labour and the snp a plan to be more than the vote but we certainly— be more than the vote but we certainly had people who previously voted _ certainly had people who previously voted snp and people used to vote labour— voted snp and people used to vote labour for— voted snp and people used to vote labour for the crane and particularly underjeremy corbyn particularly under jeremy corbyn because — particularly underjeremy corbyn because they thought he had stronger green _ because they thought he had stronger green credentials in the crane and particularly underjeremy corbyn particularly under jeremy corbyn because — particularly underjeremy corbyn because they thought he had stronger green _ because they thought he had stronger green credentials and they've been completely abandoned by keir starmer. people are not willing to vote for— starmer. people are not willing to vote for the snp and a party to abolish— vote for the snp and a party to abolish the not want to do than they have committed not to do that in the greens— have committed not to do that in the greens would do that and you're in scotland. — greens would do that and you're in scotland, we are having 90,000 children— scotland, we are having 90,000 children being lifted at a policy with what we have been able to bring

-- lifted _ with what we have been able to bring -- lifted out — with what we have been able to bring —— lifted out of poverty due to our new policy — -- lifted out of poverty due to our new policy-— -- lifted out of poverty due to our new oli . �* . , , new policy. and but the partnership and government _ new policy. and but the partnership and government in _ new policy. and but the partnership and government in the _ new policy. and but the partnership and government in the next - new policy. and but the partnershipi and government in the next general election will be standing and between snp and labour and the greens may take some votes. developing her in success the hard way but _ developing her in success the hard way but labour parties to make that argument _ way but labour parties to make that argument and people used to make that argument to the labour party a century— that argument to the labour party a century ago and then there's splitting _ century ago and then there's splitting and the liberals is to say that to _ splitting and the liberals is to say that to them. political parties do not on _ that to them. political parties do not on votes and across comment, the uk and _ not on votes and across comment, the uk and other— not on votes and across comment, the uk and other western democracies that they— uk and other western democracies that they are growing because we can see climate _ that they are growing because we can see climate breakdown happening around _ see climate breakdown happening around us — see climate breakdown happening around us and on the point for people — around us and on the point for people and for planet, that is taking — people and for planet, that is taking actions to abolish welfare and helping people with the cost—of—living crisis and helping them _ cost—of—living crisis and helping them leave their current home. a final them leave their current home. final one, looking here at labour, perhaps coming back in scotland, it is a huge caveat in which you potentially think about going in the

government with labour at some point or damages set about them, would that be out of the question? working with the team _ that be out of the question? working with the team a _ that be out of the question? working with the team a progressive, - that be out of the question? working with the team a progressive, the - with the team a progressive, the council— with the team a progressive, the council election says will work with over the _ council election says will work with over the progressive parties given the tories — over the progressive parties given the tories out. and over the progressive parties given the tories out.— over the progressive parties given the tories out. �* ., the tories out. and doing the same? we will struggle _ the tories out. and doing the same? we will struggle given _ the tories out. and doing the same? we will struggle given the _ the tories out. and doing the same? we will struggle given the lack - the tories out. and doing the same? we will struggle given the lack of. we will struggle given the lack of progress — we will struggle given the lack of progress of policy and the greens wanted _ progress of policy and the greens wanted rent controls and labour and are places _ wanted rent controls and labour and are places rent controls and the two child cap _ are places rent controls and the two child cap and labour is opposing that, _ child cap and labour is opposing that, and — child cap and labour is opposing that, and we want to revoke the licenses — that, and we want to revoke the licenses for fuels by the tories and the labour— licenses for fuels by the tories and the labour party except that they're not going _ the labour party except that they're not going to do that. the greens want _ not going to do that. the greens want to— not going to do that. the greens want to work with other progressives to take _ want to work with other progressives to take action consider climate, lift people out of poverty. 0ur snp party _ lift people out of poverty. 0ur snp party are _ lift people out of poverty. 0ur snp party are willing to do that with us and knows — party are willing to do that with us and knows what we are lifting so many _ and knows what we are lifting so many children out of poverty. from scottish screens, _ many children out of poverty. from scottish screens, thank _ many children out of poverty. from scottish screens, thank you - many children out of poverty. fn'rrrn scottish screens, thank you very much for taking the time to speak with us and 14 candidates in the scottish greens will be on stage and hopefully shortly when we hear the

declarations in the labour smile getting bigger throughout the night and this by election doesn't like it's going only one way. thank you very much for sharing your hope that it won't be too much longer. the declaration is expected and still counting and they will have to go soon. we have been furiously speculating in a political panel have been on the phones and they said i am hearing is going to be at one p:m.. we are going to be here for another 12 hours a day hope for a long and six o'clock tomorrow morning, we will find out i can tell you one thing, 74 counters there, furiously working their way to the papers and god bless them all. hopefully, the fruits of their labour will be delivered before and stay with us and will keep you entertained between now and the time the returning of the steps on stage. we have just been talking about sir keir starmer and what he has to do

in his tactics coming up in the tories to enjoy this, since an effective strategy to keep going with that? to effective strategy to keep going with that? ., , ., , ., with that? to be honest, no, if you look at the — with that? to be honest, no, if you look at the track _ with that? to be honest, no, if you look at the track in _ with that? to be honest, no, if you look at the track in terms - with that? to be honest, no, if you look at the track in terms of - look at the track in terms of peoples perceptions of what the labour party is extreme or moderate, one of the things that labour have achieved with keir starmer and gradually improving from the perspective is the perception that the party is moderate. so, probably thatis the party is moderate. so, probably that is not the weakest line of attack and on the other hand, there are still plenty of questions where john gave us one narrative keir starmer has achieved what fitz love look at other conservatives have gifted the position to labour in the

position and many people in perceptions of the and around the time of predicate into it around people could not do a worse job than the current lot rather than necessarily saying but they are clearly good and interesting pulling and today's times which shows conservative conference had no impact at all in anybody�*s voting intentions but does ask the question of whether or not each of rishi sunak or sir keir starmer of a clear plan for the country and the truth is on that question, sir keir starmer on 22% is almost tied with rishi sunak was at 21% and lots the polling data basically says that still struggle to know what it is her keir starmer in the labour party these days stand for and john give you some detailed policies will but

is particularly missing is a broad synoptic image and vision of the kind of country that they want to make. rishi sunak is not terribly good at this either but as far as labour is concerned, they need to be aware that they are very much the foundation of the success of the problems and whether or not they themselves have sealed the deal with it, that still it's very exciting. thank you as ever. limiting some of this back across the studio. to our politicians, i am looking at you. where to start with all of that? they just buy them, find them less unappetising than all available other candidates. is that fair? i don't think that is fair at

all. been up and how to west on all. been up and how to west on a number of occasions, door knocked with him, gets really good reception.— knocked with him, gets really good reception. wasn't that any of our good reception. wasn't that any of your literature? _ good reception. wasn't that any of your literature? don't - good reception. wasn't that any of your literature? don't know i of your literature? don't know where this came from.- of your literature? don't know where this came from. there you no. he where this came from. there you go- he was _ where this came from. there you go. he was unable _ where this came from. there you go. he was unable literature. - go. he was unable literature. 0n social media output. up with the candidate. 0n 0n social media output. up with the candidate. on several occasions. i don't know where keith gets this from. his success. _ keith gets this from. his success, though. - keith gets this from. his success, though. there is the narrative that success, don't say anything, don't scare any horses, don't have too many policies. have to change that. we are about to unveil a national policy forum document thatis national policy forum document that is full, chockablock full of policy. that is full, chockablock full of policy-— that is full, chockablock full of oli .~ ., ., of policy. we are going to see what labour _ of policy. we are going to see what labour britain _ of policy. we are going to see what labour britain would - of policy. we are going to see| what labour britain would look like? ~ ., , what labour britain would look like? . ., , , , like? we have been setting up in particular— like? we have been setting up in particular the _ like? we have been setting up in particular the change - like? we have been setting up in particular the change we - in particular the change we want to deliver. whether that is in the cost of living,

whether that is improving the nhs, right the way across the board we have been honest about what we would want to do, hopeful about the future, don't want to talk about the past with these guys. this is about the future and people of rutherglen and hamilton west are about to deliver their verdict. ~ . verdict. we are giving it will be one: 15- _ verdict. we are giving it will be one: 15. -- hearing. - verdict. we are giving it will be one: 15. -- hearing. 30 i be one: 15. —— hearing. 30 minutes and five seconds from now if it is bang on. it is going to be around then. staying with you. this is another problem your party has got, you are now reliant on part of the country around middle—class voters, you cannot record itself necessarily as the left—wing party or the working class anymore. you cannot go to your core missing we could. cannot find the horses, have to be pro—business party, all that stuff. it is party, all that stuff. it is ridiculous _ party, all that stuff. it is ridiculous to _ party, all that stuff. it is ridiculous to suggest - party, all that stuff. it is| ridiculous to suggest you party, all that stuff. it s ridiculous to suggest you would not want to grow the economy

because you will generate more taxes, generate more wealth that you can then redistribute and put into public services. yes, we want to grow the economy, yes we want to make public services better but we also want to provide fair and is an opportunity for people right across the country. what tonight i hope will demonstrate is a labour government will be a government for the whole of the united kingdom. scotland, wales, northern ireland and england. wales, northern ireland and encland. . . wales, northern ireland and encland. , . ,, england. public spending funded how? public— england. public spending funded how? public spending _ england. public spending funded how? public spending funded i how? public spending funded because you _ how? public spending funded because you end _ how? public spending funded because you end up, - how? public spending funded because you end up, no, - how? public spending funded because you end up, no, you| how? public spending funded - because you end up, no, you end “p because you end up, no, you end up drawing the economy. 0ne because you end up, no, you end up drawing the economy. one of the most popular policies on the most popular policies on the doorstep was labour new deal for working the doorstep was labour new dealfor working people. how we would ensure we are an exploitative zero hour contracts. unlike the s&p that use people on zero our contracts. use people on zero our contracts-— use people on zero our contracts. ., ., �* , ., contracts. you don't build a school or— contracts. you don't build a school or hospital - contracts. you don't build a school or hospital on - contracts. you don't build a school or hospital on the i school or hospital on the never—never, the hope of

economic growth in the future. that is nonsense. what we do is set up our plans very clearly for what our priorities would be. what would you would government and would be fiscally responsible about doing so. we would bring credibility back to government rather than having the economic literacy of the tories and frankly the s&p just have run out of ideas and all they care about is division. taste out of ideas and all they care about is division.— out of ideas and all they care about is division. we are going to net about is division. we are going to get detailed _ about is division. we are going to get detailed plans, - to get detailed plans, strategic vision on that next week. l strategic vision on that next week. . . strategic vision on that next week. ., , ., ., week. i have set out in more detail of— week. i have set out in more detail of the _ week. i have set out in more detail of the manifesto - week. i have set out in more detail of the manifesto that l detail of the manifesto that flows thereafter. we have set out in this constituency the positive change that labour can make. i hope people will pass a positive verdict. if make. i hope people will pass a positive verdict.— positive verdict. if we get that level _ positive verdict. if we get that level of _ positive verdict. if we get that level of detail, - positive verdict. if we get that level of detail, it - positive verdict. if we get that level of detail, it is i that level of detail, it is game _ that level of detail, it is game on. i think she is being disingenuous, let's compare to the scalding oil and gas industry. they said they will be more _ industry. they said they will be more a quotation from east. the prime _ be more a quotation from east. the prime minister pragmatically said that would

grant — pragmatically said that would grant new licenses and invest in carbon— grant new licenses and invest in carbon capture and storage. that— in carbon capture and storage. that is— in carbon capture and storage. that is not— in carbon capture and storage. that is notjust good for the nominees, that is good for the whole — nominees, that is good for the whole of— nominees, that is good for the whole of scotland. the latest figures — whole of scotland. the latest figures show the scottish oil and gas _ figures show the scottish oil and gas industry contributes £6 billion— and gas industry contributes £6 billion to — and gas industry contributes £6 billion to our public services. if billion to our public services. if she — billion to our public services. if she follows the oil and gas industry— if she follows the oil and gas industry under the bus, those jobs _ industry under the bus, those jobs and _ industry under the bus, those jobs and lives those jobs, where _ jobs and lives those jobs, where we got together investment in our public services? a lot of proposals you — services? a lot of proposals you say— services? a lot of proposals you say you have a wafer thin. establishing gb energy in scotland, thousands ofjobs, scotland, thousands of jobs, enabling just scotland, thousands ofjobs, enabling just transition. we have also said would cancel the licenses issued in respect of oil and gas. licenses issued in respect of oil and gas-— licenses issued in respect of oil and as. . ., ~ ., oil and gas. we also know those licenses are _ oil and gas. we also know those licenses are required _ oil and gas. we also know those licenses are required as - oil and gas. we also know those licenses are required as a - licenses are required as a route to _ licenses are required as a route to net zero in 2050. very shortsighted. at the northeast and bad — shortsighted. at the northeast and bad. as public services. your— and bad. as public services. your party— and bad. as public services. your party is a bit of a quandary in the northeast on this very issue?— this very issue? no, ithink ou this very issue? no, ithink youjust— this very issue? no, ithink you just transition - this very issue? no, ithink you just transition plan - this very issue? no, ithink you just transition plan and money— you just transition plan and money we _ you just transition plan and money we have _ you just transition plan and

money we have set - you just transition plan and money we have set aside i you just transition plan and i money we have set aside for a show— money we have set aside for a show how— money we have set aside for a show how want— money we have set aside for a show how want to _ money we have set aside for a show how want to manage - money we have set aside for a show how want to manage the process— show how want to manage the process stop _ show how want to manage the process stop your— show how want to manage the process stop your members i show how want to manage the. process stop your members are not entirely— process stop your members are not entirely comfortable - process stop your members are not entirely comfortable with i not entirely comfortable with that — not entirely comfortable with that on _ not entirely comfortable with that on a _ not entirely comfortable with that. on a weekly _ not entirely comfortable with that. on a weekly basis, - not entirely comfortable withi that. on a weekly basis, want to have — that. on a weekly basis, want to have a _ that. on a weekly basis, want to have a just— that. on a weekly basis, want to have a just transition - that. on a weekly basis, want to have a just transition and i to have a just transition and make — to have a just transition and make that _ to have a just transition and make that change. - to have a just transition and make that change. a - to have a just transition andi make that change. a couple to have a just transition and i make that change. a couple of points” — make that change. a couple of pointsw — just to say, i realising the exalted _ just to say, i realising the exalted company, - just to say, i realising the exalted company, or- just to say, i realising the i exalted company, or dogma just to say, i realising the - exalted company, or dogma so again— exalted company, or dogma so again and — exalted company, or dogma so again and all— exalted company, or dogma so again and all that, _ exalted company, or dogma so again and all that, you - exalted company, or dogma so again and all that, you would i again and all that, you would see that _ again and all that, you would see that happening - again and all that, you would see that happening in - again and all that, you would see that happening in the - again and all that, you would i see that happening in the snp. here _ see that happening in the snp. here is — see that happening in the snp. here is a — see that happening in the snp. here is a challenge _ see that happening in the snp. here is a challenge for- see that happening in the snp. here is a challenge for the - here is a challenge for the labor— here is a challenge for the labor party. _ here is a challenge for the labor party, the _ here is a challenge for the labor party, the snp - here is a challenge for the| labor party, the snp group here is a challenge for the - labor party, the snp group will take forward _ labor party, the snp group will take forward a _ labor party, the snp group will take forward a bill— labor party, the snp group will take forward a bill to _ labor party, the snp group will take forward a bill to try- labor party, the snp group will take forward a bill to try and i take forward a bill to try and abolish— take forward a bill to try and abolish the _ take forward a bill to try and abolish the two _ take forward a bill to try and abolish the two tarin - take forward a bill to try and abolish the two tarin kowt. i take forward a bill to try and i abolish the two tarin kowt. the labour — abolish the two tarin kowt. the labour candidates _ abolish the two tarin kowt. the labour candidates as— abolish the two tarin kowt. the labour candidates as he - abolish the two tarin kowt. the labour candidates as he is - labour candidates as he is against _ labour candidates as he is against that, _ labour candidates as he is against that, when - labour candidates as he is against that, when he - labour candidates as he is against that, when he the| labour candidates as he is - against that, when he the snp bill? _ against that, when he the snp bill? listen— against that, when he the snp bill? listen to _ against that, when he the snp bill? listen to you _ against that, when he the snp bill? listen to you without - bill? listen to you without interrupting. _ bill? listen to you without interrupting, just- bill? listen to you without interrupting, just to - bill? listen to you without interrupting, just to say i interrupting, just to say everyone _ interrupting, just to say everyone knows - interrupting, just to say everyone knows it - interrupting, just to say everyone knows it has i interrupting, just to say - everyone knows it has huge applications— everyone knows it has huge applications for— everyone knows it has huge applications for property . everyone knows it has huge applications for property in| applications for property in scotland _ applications for property in scotland. an— applications for property in scotland. an early-

applications for property in i scotland. an early challenge for the — scotland. an early challenge for the new _ scotland. an early challenge for the new pricing. - scotland. an early challenge for the new pricing. he - scotland. an early challenge for the new pricing. he says| scotland. an early challenge i for the new pricing. he says he is against — for the new pricing. he says he is against it _ for the new pricing. he says he is against it. also _ for the new pricing. he says he is against it. also says - is against it. also says against _ is against it. also says against brexit- is against it. also says against brexit and - is against it. also says i against brexit and won't is against it. also says - against brexit and won't vote by labor— against brexit and won't vote by labor party _ against brexit and won't vote by labor party in _ against brexit and won't vote by labor party in the - against brexit and won't vote by labor party in the last - by labor party in the last election— by labor party in the last election but— by labor party in the last election but let's - by labor party in the last election but let's see - by labor party in the last election but let's see if. by labor party in the last i election but let's see if you can— election but let's see if you can get— election but let's see if you can get off— election but let's see if you can get off to _ election but let's see if you can get off to a _ election but let's see if you can get off to a good - election but let's see if you can get off to a good starti can get off to a good start here _ can get off to a good start here a_ can get off to a good start here a good _ can get off to a good start here. a good policy. - can get off to a good start here. a good policy. let's| can get off to a good start - here. a good policy. let's see if he — here. a good policy. let's see if he doesn't. _ here. a good policy. let's see if he doesn't. he _ here. a good policy. let's see if he doesn't.— here. a good policy. let's see if he doesn't. he makes a good our if he doesn't. he makes a good your candidate _ if he doesn't. he makes a good your candidate did _ if he doesn't. he makes a good your candidate did not - if he doesn't. he makes a good your candidate did not vote - if he doesn't. he makes a good your candidate did not vote liv| your candidate did not vote liv at the last election. —— labour. at the last election. -- labour-— at the last election. -- labour. ., ., ., labour. he had a view about brexit that _ labour. he had a view about brexit that many _ labour. he had a view about brexit that many are - labour. he had a view about brexit that many are shared| brexit that many are shared because we wanted to be part of the european union. let me also say to you in terms of the two child cap, what we have said very clearly as we would reform and review all of universal, 60% of. what we want to do is

that from labour to make that happen. i thought your party said they wouldn't ability because it was a financially prudent the moment? it because it was a financially prudent the moment? it wasn't due to policy? _ prudent the moment? it wasn't due to policy? what _ prudent the moment? it wasn't due to policy? what we - prudent the moment? it wasn't due to policy? what we have i due to policy? what we have said as we — due to policy? what we have said as we are _ due to policy? what we have said as we are opposed - due to policy? what we have said as we are opposed to i due to policy? what we have i said as we are opposed to this but need to be sure of what the fiscal situation is that we can afford to do it. we have made a commitment to review and reform universal credit of which that is part. i have to say, we have had 40 for, 48 snp empties down at westminster. have they once brought forward a measure to do this? not once. this is convenient and a means of attacking labour.— convenient and a means of attacking labour. labour went u . attacking labour. labour went u- over attacking labour. labour went up over two — attacking labour. labour went up over two child _ attacking labour. labour went up over two child cap. - attacking labour. labour went up over two child cap. your i up over two child cap. your -a up over two child cap. your party going _ up over two child cap. your party going to _ up over two child cap. your party going to make - up over two child cap. your party going to make it - up over two child cap. your| party going to make it more difficult to get benefits generally?— difficult to get benefits renerall ? ~ ., �* generally? what we're saying clearly as _ generally? what we're saying clearly as many _ generally? what we're saying clearly as many those - generally? what we're saying clearly as many those are - clearly as many those are benefits _ clearly as many those are benefits to default in scotland. the snp, many levers

to make — scotland. the snp, many levers to make scotland a better and fairer— to make scotland a better and fairer place are already with the snp, they don't need more power. — the snp, they don't need more power, but they need to do, you need _ power, but they need to do, you need to— power, but they need to do, you need to use _ power, but they need to do, you need to use the powers you have the full _ need to use the powers you have the full effect and could affect _ the full effect and could affect and start to drive through those changes in hospitals, railways. and both very— hospitals, railways. and both very trusting a few miles away. all these — very trusting a few miles away. all these at the tassimo to be snp _ all these at the tassimo to be snp failure of the last 16 years— snp failure of the last 16 years are now extending to welfare _ years are now extending to welfare. | years are now extending to welfare. . welfare. i will let these thoughts _ welfare. i will let these thoughts marinate - welfare. i will let these i thoughts marinate over welfare. i will let these - thoughts marinate over here and take some of them back to their side. pundits. what have you made of what you have heard? i hope you chuckling away. —— heard you. hope you chuckling away. -- heard you-— hope you chuckling away. -- heard ou. ., ,, heard you. low-level nastiness is uuite heard you. low-level nastiness is quite funny- _ heard you. low-level nastiness is quite funny. the _ heard you. low-level nastiness is quite funny. the way - heard you. low-level nastiness is quite funny. the way jackie l is quite funny. the way jackie shunted off is highly professional. a good little tv show but very unpleasant man.

right. i show but very unpleasant man. richt. ., ., ,., ., right. i am right about that. what have — right. i am right about that. what have you _ right. i am right about that. what have you thought - right. i am right about that. | what have you thought about what you have heard this evening?— what you have heard this eveninu? .. ., , evening? come back to this question — evening? come back to this question about _ evening? come back to this question about the - evening? come back to this question about the two - evening? come back to this| question about the two child policy~ — question about the two child policy i_ question about the two child policy. i think i am right in saying _ policy. i think i am right in saying the labor party have not -ot saying the labor party have not got policy — saying the labor party have not got policy to reverse the federal _ got policy to reverse the federal tax in england. which was actually mitigated years a-o was actually mitigated years ago by— was actually mitigated years ago by the snp in scotland. we have _ ago by the snp in scotland. we have actually lost track of where _ have actually lost track of where the rest of britain is. in where the rest of britain is. in terms— where the rest of britain is. in terms of horrible, if you talk— in terms of horrible, if you talk about nasty, that is nasty _ talk about nasty, that is nasty. scotland got rid of that a long — nasty. scotland got rid of that a long time ago. i wonder where we are _ a long time ago. i wonder where we are now— a long time ago. i wonder where we are now with the kind of project _ we are now with the kind of project that we will see coming from _ project that we will see coming from keir— project that we will see coming from keir starmer. iwonder whether— from keir starmer. iwonder whether the scottish public that — whether the scottish public that have quite used to the scottish— that have quite used to the scottish raiders and the scottish raiders and the scottish child payment that was praised — scottish child payment that was praised recently, all these

initiatives that even the tories _ initiatives that even the tories got the scottish child parent~ _ tories got the scottish child parent. we expect that would better— parent. we expect that would better from labour down the road — better from labour down the road. . . ~ better from labour down the road. ., ,~' i. better from labour down the road. ., , road. let me ask you quickly, ou are road. let me ask you quickly, you are at _ road. let me ask you quickly, you are at the _ road. let me ask you quickly, you are at the tory _ road. let me ask you quickly, you are at the tory party - you are at the tory party conference last week, all these policies getting thrown out to hungry delegates there. pushing back on net zero and pushing people back into the car is. all that stuff, harry kane of migration. when you speak to people that know things within the party, say, this cannot play well be put against everything. we do understand is on the doorstep quietly people like the sort of stop. do you think that is distinct today to the border or do you think quietly in scotland that will get nodding along? this quietly in scotland that will get nodding along?- quietly in scotland that will get nodding along? this is the issues that — get nodding along? this is the issues that was _ get nodding along? this is the issues that was a _ get nodding along? this is the issues that was a big - get nodding along? this is the issues that was a big gamble i issues that was a big gamble from — issues that was a big gamble from rishi _ issues that was a big gamble from rishi sunak— issues that was a big gamble from rishi sunak when - issues that was a big gamble from rishi sunak when he i issues that was a big gamblei from rishi sunak when he was putting — from rishi sunak when he was putting forward _ from rishi sunak when he was putting forward these - from rishi sunak when he was| putting forward these policies. didn't— putting forward these policies. didn't have _ putting forward these policies. didn't have much _ putting forward these policies. didn't have much of— putting forward these policies. didn't have much of a - putting forward these policies. | didn't have much of a narrative and felt — didn't have much of a narrative and felt like _ didn't have much of a narrative and felt like there _ didn't have much of a narrative and felt like there were - didn't have much of a narrative and felt like there were a - didn't have much of a narrative and felt like there were a lot. and felt like there were a lot of ideas _ and felt like there were a lot of ideas for— and felt like there were a lot of ideas for an _ and felt like there were a lot of ideas for an out, - and felt like there were a lot of ideas for an out, a - and felt like there were a lot

of ideas for an out, a lot - and felt like there were a lot of ideas for an out, a lot of. of ideas for an out, a lot of them, _ of ideas for an out, a lot of them, in— of ideas for an out, a lot of them, in scotland - of ideas for an out, a lot of them, in scotland the - of ideas for an out, a lot of them, in scotland the real| them, in scotland the real question— them, in scotland the real question is— them, in scotland the real question is how— them, in scotland the real question is how much - them, in scotland the real question is how much the| them, in scotland the real- question is how much the tories actually— question is how much the tories actually care _ question is how much the tories actually care about _ question is how much the tories actually care about north - question is how much the tories actually care about north of- actually care about north of the border~ _ actually care about north of the border. that _ actually care about north of the border. that seems - actually care about north of the border. that seems toi actually care about north of. the border. that seems to be actually care about north of- the border. that seems to be a bil the border. that seems to be a big issue — the border. that seems to be a big issue. there _ the border. that seems to be a big issue. there are _ the border. that seems to be a big issue. there are obviously. big issue. there are obviously the real— big issue. there are obviously the real question _ big issue. there are obviously the real question and - big issue. there are obviously the real question and a - big issue. there are obviously the real question and a lot- big issue. there are obviously the real question and a lot of| the real question and a lot of money— the real question and a lot of money being _ the real question and a lot of money being put— the real question and a lot of money being put by- the real question and a lot of money being put by the - the real question and a lot of money being put by the uk. money being put by the uk government _ money being put by the uk government. scotland - money being put by the uk government. scotland was| government. scotland was mentioned _ government. scotland was mentioned much- government. scotland was mentioned much during i government. scotland was i mentioned much during rishi sunak's— mentioned much during rishi sunak's speech. _ mentioned much during rishi sunak's speech. there - mentioned much during rishi sunak's speech. there is - mentioned much during rishi sunak's speech. there is a i mentioned much during rishi i sunak's speech. there is a real concern — sunak's speech. there is a real concern uk _ sunak's speech. there is a real concern uk government - sunak's speech. there is a real concern uk government are . sunak's speech. there is a real| concern uk government are not overly— concern uk government are not overly frustrated. _ concern uk government are not overly frustrated. one - concern uk government are not overly frustrated.— overly frustrated. one of seven constituencies _ overly frustrated. one of seven constituencies that _ overly frustrated. one of seven constituencies that will - overly frustrated. one of seven constituencies that will get - overly frustrated. one of seven constituencies that will get a i constituencies that will get a couple million quid a year by the uk government. when you go into a news agency you hear about where people 's political sympathies lie. when you go to a newsagent in scotland, the paper is that so a lot of his opinions always seem to have quite high piles compared to some of the others. do you think quietly people do drink this thing up?—

think quietly people do drink this thing up? sadly for me as an old newspaper _ this thing up? sadly for me as an old newspaper guy, - this thing up? sadly for me as an old newspaper guy, the - an old newspaper guy, the newspaper industry is dying. really, people don't buy it, no young people by newspapers. ihla young people by newspapers. no but you know what i am saying. i think what we on the tory party was the tory talking to themselves about how far the radical right they want to go. there is a conversation in the tory party, effectively the one you have the press conference after you lose an election. an opposition conversation going on. leadership conversation. most of the policies of the tory party when they get to the extreme and, the language of immigration backed by number ten, that is not got residence in the united kingdom as a whole, in scotland or england. if the one 15 prediction is

right, ifancy it if the one 15 prediction is right, i fancy it is not. if the one 15 prediction is right, ifancy it is not. they are told me that david wallace is back in front of the camera get to do some of the lifting for us. ~ ., ., ., ,., for us. we are hearing about ten minutes _ for us. we are hearing about ten minutes or _ for us. we are hearing about ten minutes or not _ for us. we are hearing about ten minutes or not so - for us. we are hearing about ten minutes or not so long i for us. we are hearing about| ten minutes or not so long to go until declaration. of course, we're talking about who has done well perhaps not done so well. a good night for labour, maybe mike is encoded for the snp and also looks like a disappointing night for scottish conservatives. i'm joined by the party 's deputy leader. thank you very much for taking the time to speak to us. how bad with this will be for scottish conservatives? i don't think it's bad at all. idon't think it's bad at all. with— i don't think it's bad at all. with the _ i don't think it's bad at all. with the by—election, by—elections are usually quite tricky— by—elections are usually quite tricky for— by—elections are usually quite tricky for third—place parties. that— tricky for third—place parties. that is— tricky for third—place parties. that is the honest reaction and assessment from the scottish conservatives. if you look at previous _ conservatives. if you look at previous examples, and 2015 the scottish— previous examples, and 2015 the scottish conservatives lost a general _ scottish conservatives lost a general election seat in glasgow daws so you lose the

deposit — glasgow daws so you lose the deposit here? we might be. in 2016— deposit here? we might be. in 2016 we — deposit here? we might be. in 2016 we actually gained 31 msps. _ 2016 we actually gained 31 msps, to magra which came from the glasgow region. if we do lose — the glasgow region. if we do lose the _ the glasgow region. if we do lose the deposit tonight is not meaning — lose the deposit tonight is not meaning the doom and gloom scenario _ meaning the doom and gloom scenario. ~ . . meaning the doom and gloom scenario. ~ ., ., , ., ., scenario. what are you hearing from traditional _ scenario. what are you hearing from traditional conservative i from traditional conservative supporters in this seat, where they are seeing labour's the best place prounion party, therefore we will vote for them, do they like the fact that kier starmer has moved the labour party to the right onto some of your turf? i labour party to the right onto some of your turf?— some of your turf? i think i'm impressed — some of your turf? i think i'm impressed by _ some of your turf? i think i'm impressed by the _ some of your turf? i think i'm impressed by the campaign i impressed by the campaign thomas— impressed by the campaign thomas kerr has... doesn't sound — thomas kerr has... doesn't sound like _ thomas kerr has... doesn't sound like it. working class conservative, his background, that _ conservative, his background, that raised it with people. the vote _ that raised it with people. the vote has— that raised it with people. the vote has been squeezed tonight and that— vote has been squeezed tonight and that perhaps has been the cause — and that perhaps has been the cause of— and that perhaps has been the cause of the by—election. are cause of the by-election. are we disappointed _ cause of the by—election. site: we disappointed by what cause of the by—election. 2.9 we disappointed by what we have seen from the uk tories, u—turning on massive infrastructure projects,

climate targets, home secretary than there is a hurricane of migrants coming to the country. i don't think that is what we -ot i don't think that is what we got on — i don't think that is what we got on the doors. it was really disappointing anyway the snp have — disappointing anyway the snp have behaved in government of the last— have behaved in government of the last 16 years. it was local issues, — the last 16 years. it was local issues, localised issues, the cost—of—living crisis did feature _ cost—of—living crisis did feature. think that feature for all political parties the doorstep. and that was isolated it was— doorstep. and that was isolated it was which are to do.— it was which are to do. there is i was it was which are to do. there is l was an — it was which are to do. there is i was an interesting - it was which are to do. there | is i was an interesting tension between the scottish and uk conservative. and when suella braverman says that multiculturalism has well, what do you think of that? it’s multiculturalism has well, what do you think of that?— do you think of that? it's not the language _ do you think of that? it's not the language l— do you think of that? it's not the language i would - do you think of that? it's not the language i would years. | do you think of that? it's not i the language i would years. on the language i would years. on the back— the language i would years. on the back of the conference i think— the back of the conference i think without some good messaging coming from that. douglas— messaging coming from that. douglas your's speas, we said our first— douglas your's speas, we said our first priority would be to julie — our first priority would be to julie a — our first priority would be to julie a name, something have failed — julie a name, something have failed to— julie a name, something have failed to do. we would make sure — failed to do. we would make sure there were 1000 extra bobbies— sure there were 1000 extra bobbies on the beat. the other hundred — bobbies on the beat. the other hundred 48 —— hundred 40 million _ hundred 48 —— hundred 40 million extra pounds from the government to be invested in

communities, not far away from here _ communities, not far away from here among mongers. really good news _ here among mongers. really good news came out of this. something else that came out of the conference the broader picture of where do the tories go next, was the idea of nigel farage coming back into the fold. would you be comfortable with that? ., fold. would you be comfortable with that? :. , , with that? that is 'ust conversational. h with that? that is 'ust conversational. it i with that? that isjust conversational. it is i with that? that is just | conversational. it is not something that has been confirmed.— something that has been confirmed. ~ :, , ., , _ confirmed. would you be happy with that? _ confirmed. would you be happy with that? it _ confirmed. would you be happy with that? it is _ confirmed. would you be happy with that? it is conversation - with that? it is conversation for conversation's _ with that? it is conversation for conversation's say. - with that? it is conversation for conversation's say. it i with that? it is conversation for conversation's say. it is| for conversation's say. it is not — for conversation's say. it is not something that has been confirmed. for me very much focused — confirmed. for me very much focused on _ confirmed. for me very much focused on the scottish conservatives are doing and what — conservatives are doing and what we _ conservatives are doing and what we operating to the people of scotland focusing on scotland.— of scotland focusing on scotland. :, ., :, ., scotland. you have not given an answer that. _ scotland. you have not given an answer that. would _ scotland. you have not given an answer that. would you - scotland. you have not given an answer that. would you be - scotland. you have not given an i answer that. would you be happy to be the same party as him? taste to be the same party as him? we are a broad church, we have boys — are a broad church, we have boys been _ are a broad church, we have boys been a broad judge of conservatives. my focus is deftly _ conservatives. my focus is deftly here in scotland as deputy— deftly here in scotland as deputy of the scottish conservatives and that is where our focus — conservatives and that is where our focus will be.— our focus will be. thank you very much _ our focus will be. thank you very much for— our focus will be. thank you very much forjoining - our focus will be. thank you very much forjoining us - our focus will be. thank you | very much forjoining us here in rutherglen and hamilton west constituency where we are hearing it should be much longer at all until we get a

declaration. it sounded like the scottish conservatives may have been squeezed and is by—election, potentially losing their deposit. we don't have too much longer to find out how this has all gone.— this has all gone. promises, promises- — this has all gone. promises, promises. we _ this has all gone. promises, promises. we shall- this has all gone. promises, promises. we shall see. - promises. we shall see. needless to say we will be back to the hall in hamilton as soon as we detect some serious movement. in the meantime, let me come back to you, professor sirjohn curtice, meghan gallacher doing a achilierjob of putting a positive spin on what looks like a bad result. are the scottish tories down to their rump, the call vote that won't desert them? is there anything left to be squeezed? probably not. they're running at around 15—15 —— 60% in the opinion polls. that is pretty much the bottom they have all and two elections from 1997 onwards. the truth is the party north of the body is offering collateral damage from what's happened at westminster. does one of the reasons there has been some discussion in not too

recent past about whether the party should try and have one of the greater separation between herself and the party down south. the truth is, the progress that was made, particularly around the time of the 2016 general election, a lot of that frankly has gone away. wejust lot of that frankly has gone away. we just have to remember, the conservatives at the moment across the uk as a whole are at 27%. with the conservatives at 27%. with the conservatives at 27% it is very difficult for the conservatives in scotland to be getting much more than 15%. i to be getting much more than 15%. ., , to be getting much more than 15%. :., ., to be getting much more than 15%. :, , :, ., :, 15%. i was asking earlier on about labour— 15%. i was asking earlier on about labour struggling - 15%. i was asking earlier on about labour struggling to | about labour struggling to different sides of the fence to try to get the red wall since any north back in the first red wall since in scotland back. this talk from the tory conference about hurricanes of migration, let's look at social attitudes, we were discussing it here in scotland, how does that go down? you publish the website was scotland things, what does scotland think? the

im ortant what does scotland think? ti9 important thing to understand about the divide more broadly between social liberals who might be reasonably accepting of immigration and social conservatives is that it is now also part of the politics of scotland, in the sense that there is now a much clearer relationship between people who embrace immigration, more broadly socially liberal, and whether they vote for snp and favour independence. because now independence is an issue which is intertwined with the exit and people who were opposed to britain leaving the european union tend to be more socially liberal, what lindsay from the university of canberra has particularly looked into this, you find support for independence and support for the snp is now much more clearly related to people being relatively liberal on these issues than was the case ten or 15 years ago. so is therefore part of the division, insofar

as the conservatives in scotland are trying to appeal to those of a unionist disposition, the truth is there a __ disposition, the truth is there a —— those of a unionist disposition will be less socially liberal these issues and to that extent at least what you heard from the party conference is not necessarily cutting across the conservatives' base in scotland even though it won't necessarily be helpful for them if loudly want to expand on it. doesn't necessarily break down on constitutional grounds like that? a third of the snp support voted for brexit. sure. one of the _ support voted for brexit. sure. one of the things _ support voted for brexit. sure. one of the things you - support voted for brexit. sure. one of the things you need - support voted for brexit. sure. one of the things you need to | one of the things you need to understand is that has been real... we remember the endless rows in the 2014 independence referendum campaign about whether independent scotland would or would not be able to remain inside the european union. that whole debate was a complete and utter waste of time. there was no relationship in 2014 between people's attitudes towards the european union and whether they voted yes or no because, yes, has i was been an element of the snp

support that said what is the point of liberating ourselves from london only to put ourselves into check with brussels, there is also no relationship between how people voted in 2014 and how they voted in 2014 and how they voted in 2014 and how they voted in 2016 in the eu referendum. but since then some of the people who voted yes and lever has switched to no, but equally more people who voted no andrew main have switched to yes. so therefore now there is a clear relationship between attitudes towards the european union and attitudes towards the union, which is one reason why the labour party in scotland as having, in a sense, to straddle things, because it is at least somewhat in favour of a closer relationship with the european union that certainly the current government, but equally, of course, is very strongly wanted to remain inside the uk.— strongly wanted to remain inside the uk. thank you very much indeed. _ inside the uk. thank you very much indeed. they _ inside the uk. thank you very much indeed. they want - inside the uk. thank you very much indeed. they want to i much indeed. they want to 2—on—2 lezz level one maskless.

we have spoken about social attitudes with everybody on the sofa now apart from you. and thatis sofa now apart from you. and that is a mistake because you, than anybody else in this room probably go out and speak to people in the streets, notjust crunching numbers and writing papers and all that stuff. when you are sitting in halls up and down the length of the country speaking to people about what they believed you think the snp, for example, the pro—independence movement, is all socially progressive, we saw in a forbes there is a big swing and 74 somebody who was not. . :. . , swing and 74 somebody who was not. , ., , , �* , swing and 74 somebody who was not. ,., _ �*, ., not. obviously it's not. if we talk about — not. obviously it's not. if we talk about half _ not. obviously it's not. if we talk about half of _ not. obviously it's not. if we talk about half of scotland i talk about half of scotland supporting independence then thatis supporting independence then that is a big phone box. obviously there are going to be a variety people in there. there are a couple of things, there is a recent opinion poll that suggested 48% of people in britain think migration is a good thing or have no problem with immigration, sorry, i'm getting my statistics the wrong way round. the point was scott's almost twice as likely to support immigration as the uk average. you see that in

events like can you street in glasgow in 2019 and square in 2020, thousands of people coming back to lindsay paterson's stuff, actually, educating young people supporting people who are being lifted by the home office and seeing that as part of their duty as citizens. lots of people watching this, ukrainian floods all over the place. there is a tremendous feeling of connection with other countries that i think has now become part of the whole idea of independence and is difficult to see the little britain that is being portrayed, i've got to say by both parties, really, but it is your talking about is at odds with that idea of having a place in the world. right. let me distil this _ place in the world. right. let me distil this down _ place in the world. right. let me distil this down to - place in the world. right. let me distil this down to the - place in the world. right. letl me distil this down to the snp specifically, there is a fight within the snp itself, i'm not suggesting migration or social issues, focus, is being portrayed as a dinosaur in the

snp by a young, progressive group. kate forbes and salter, 40 ebersohn support for her in the leadership bid. is there a fracture going on in there? on social grounds was yellow i think yes, there probably is. i'm not versed enough within the inner workings of the snp. it was probably always in there, it was contained, there is a huge amount of discipline with nicola sturgeon's time in office. it was a very 1—person band, actually, and it was used discipline which allowed a lot of these differences not to be explored. i mean, actually, there are real political differences and i remember who it was that said that it is about time is probably issues got explored. there are plenty of people, i'm a big land reform campaigner, fergus ewing is not on my side on that one. there is plenty of stuff there and probably not anybody that really thinks land reform is important. let's have the debate at long last. it's great. all right. we said

declaration imminent on our screens a little while ago. i'm not hearing anything to suggest it is. let's keep going for a second longer. lucy, what are you making of what you hearing? going back to the fergus ewing issue and talking about forbes as well, we have to look at the context of all this with the green coalition and that's causing a lot of issues in i even down south we see that with the eulers zone and the green policies. there is a bit of a cultural warfrom green policies. there is a bit of a cultural war from all of this. there seems to be a sort of, whether it is a generational divide on some level we have people who would view it as an urban versus rural situation, view it as an urban versus ruralsituation, partly view it as an urban versus rural situation, partly because we lack a cohesive public transport network particularly in rural scotland, fergus ewing is very much a big defender of the communities and the need for rural communities to need to be able to continue their work because there are no

alternative solutions that you could put in place in cities. t could put in place in cities. i suspected douglas ross last week and there is a new froese is using these days, the supreme policies of the smp— green alliance and all that stuff. the anderson at the start of this year said we don't have borisjohnson, don't have boris johnson, brexit, jeremy don't have borisjohnson, brexit, jeremy corbyn, any of these substance to fight the election is you, we have divided on cultural wars and transit and we have to accept that this next election will be fought on cultural and wedge issues? t fought on cultural and wedge issues? ~' . ., issues? i think he cultural will feature, _ issues? i think he cultural will feature, identikit - issues? i think he cultural. will feature, identikit needs to be the focal point. when you speak to people they are not particularly seen, for example, the gender reform bill, as being their top priority... there been solder think is, almost. yes, ithink unfortunately there is probably a media aspect to that where there is definitely a sort of, there is definitely a sort of, there is definitely a sort of, there is a lot of fiery debate going on around it and often there is not actually much being said, but a lot being

shouted. i think realistically we need to take things back to, is a keep on saying, is the day—to—day issues, people want to see them going to gps and being seen when they turn up and going to a and e and the kind of thing.— kind of thing. and if you're makin: kind of thing. and if you're making promises - kind of thing. and if you're making promises like - kind of thing. and if you're| making promises like that, john, you have to fix it. it is john, you have to fix it. it is not a media, _ john, you have to fix it. it is not a media, mediapoint, i john, you have to fix it. it is not a media, mediapoint, it is a social— not a media, mediapoint, it is a social media, social media is part— a social media, social media is part of— a social media, social media is part of an _ a social media, social media is part of an attention economy and it— part of an attention economy and it makes its money by interrupting what we're doing and it— interrupting what we're doing and it interrupts by grabbing your— and it interrupts by grabbing your attention. and it interrupts by grabbing yourattention. division and it interrupts by grabbing your attention. division is what _ your attention. division is what drugs attention. it doesn't _ what drugs attention. it doesn't mean the people actually want division. people on cost — actually want division. people on cost of— actually want division. people on cost of living sort of, housing _ on cost of living sort of, housing crisis order, the very approximate things are sorted. 0ne approximate things are sorted. one of— approximate things are sorted. one of the issues that it is working _ one of the issues that it is working out in the tory party is, because brexit was a unifying _ is, because brexit was a unifying force for them and was a moment— unifying force for them and was a moment of maybe a different identity— a moment of maybe a different identity in uk politics, the tories _ identity in uk politics, the tories went for that identity, but boris _ tories went for that identity, but boris was the leader doing that _ but boris was the leader doing that in— but boris was the leader doing that. in the absence of boris

they— that. in the absence of boris they are _ that. in the absence of boris they are discussing within themselves what modern conservatives are. at the same time, _ conservatives are. at the same time, not — conservatives are. at the same time, notjust the younger generation, even in the red wall, — generation, even in the red wall, the _ generation, even in the red wall, the older people, two—thirds of the country thinks _ two—thirds of the country thinks the climate crisis needs to be — thinks the climate crisis needs to be dealt with in the tories think— to be dealt with in the tories think climate is possibly a culture _ think climate is possibly a culture war issue. climate is not — culture war issue. climate is not a — culture war issue. climate is not a cultural issue, climate crisis — not a cultural issue, climate crisis is _ not a cultural issue, climate crisis is a _ not a cultural issue, climate crisis is a reality and then is to be — crisis is a reality and then is to be a _ crisis is a reality and then is to be a transition and it is to be done _ to be a transition and it is to be done well or badly, fairly or unfairly. some of the politics— or unfairly. some of the politics around has not been fully— politics around has not been fully expressed was top they would — fully expressed was top they would argue they are not adjusting their ambitions on climate _ adjusting their ambitions on climate change. i think that is what — climate change. i think that is what rishi sunak says. it is not — what rishi sunak says. it is not what _ what rishi sunak says. it is not what louis anderson believes. the thing is within the party... is the deputy chairman has licence to talk about — chairman has licence to talk about things. the thing about the tory— about things. the thing about the tory party, so many cabinet ministers— the tory party, so many cabinet ministers were expressing views ~~ _ ministers were expressing views... the home secretary made — views... the home secretary made a — views... the home secretary made a speech in a conference where — made a speech in a conference where she _ made a speech in a conference where she attacked the policies of the _ where she attacked the policies of the current home secretary

and that— of the current home secretary and that debate is going on and has no — and that debate is going on and has no discipline at all. cabinet _ has no discipline at all. cabinet ministers speaking on the fringe and away with no collective i think is because the corke is out of the bottle and in — the corke is out of the bottle and in scotland and the snp some — and in scotland and the snp some of— and in scotland and the snp some of the similar tensions are working out. lucy was right, _ are working out. lucy was right, there is a big debate that— right, there is a big debate that the _ right, there is a big debate that the snp need to have if they— that the snp need to have if they are _ that the snp need to have if they are going to stay, as a government, governing party, they'd _ government, governing party, they'd also need to express these — they'd also need to express these views within themselves, you can't— these views within themselves, you can't be a disciplined unit brevis— you can't be a disciplined unit brevis and the only issue that matters — brevis and the only issue that matters is once we get over the line, _ matters is once we get over the line. once — matters is once we get over the line, once we become independent. if it goes on year after— independent. if it goes on year after year— independent. if it goes on year after year after year, they are going — after year after year, they are going to — after year after year, they are going to say what about our view — going to say what about our view about politics? and is about— view about politics? and is about other people, progressive people _ about other people, progressive people and it cuts through. it may— people and it cuts through. it may be — people and it cuts through. it may be reshaping our politics in a _ may be reshaping our politics in a different way on top of the — in a different way on top of the brexit and independence. notjust— the brexit and independence. notjust us, i know you look across the sea for inspiration. you spend a lot of time dealing

with. i was speaking with the right one party in germany, please with themselves because they managed to get air pumps as a big weight issue and are going to drive back. it is not just here, is it? it going to drive back. it is not just here, is it?— just here, is it? it is not. boringly. _ just here, is it? it is not. boringly, what _ just here, is it? it is not. boringly, what we - just here, is it? it is not. boringly, what we need i just here, is it? it is not. i boringly, what we need to just here, is it? it is not. - boringly, what we need to do is district heating. like a broken record on this, everyone at our latitude is not having individual homes heated anymore than individual waterfalls drilled for homes. they get networks going and that is what we have to do. what governments are listed at the local network stop but needs big... ibig stop but needs big... big infrastructure. _ stop but needs big... big infrastructure. the - stop but needs big... bigl infrastructure. the private sector is _ infrastructure. the private sector is ready _ infrastructure. the private sector is ready to - infrastructure. the private sector is ready to invest. i infrastructure. the private i sector is ready to invest. and wake as an infrastructure system. my mother is from wick. let's get answers to the big questions. david, you told us this was coming. what is the matter with you? the

this was coming. what is the matter with you?— this was coming. what is the matter with you? the good news is i have been _ matter with you? the good news is i have been told _ matter with you? the good news is i have been told again - matter with you? the good news is i have been told again that i is i have been told again that we are ten minutes away from getting a declaration. i neither is by the same people that told me 20 minutes ago we were ten minutes away but hopefully this time that going to prove accurate and that is the only thing i get wrong this evening. if you look behind me, you can see everyone starting to migrate towards the stage. having spoken to some of the activists and candidates, it feels like everybody is getting a bit tired, keen for the end of this night maybe to get here and get some kip before the two which it would be after a by—election where the winning party has to go out and celebrate and talk about what this means for them. and the losing party will normally go and explain why things are not so bad as they see them as we may be perceiving them. we are hearing ten minutes, there is movement happening on the state which i assume is a good sign. the multiple night, we have

seen labour smells getting bigger and snp activists moving in that my. this sounds like the candidates going to speak to the officials to perhaps find out how things are looking. the candidates would normally get a bit of a heads up about what the result would be. when they are on stage, that would not normally be the first time they are giving the results. they would get to see them before we would hear them and before the returning officer gets on stage and broadcasts. worth bearing in mind 14 candidates, even once we get to the point of declaration, probably going to take a while to get to the candidates that will be done alphabetically. that side of

the candidates being called up is a good sign was heading in the right direction and perhaps that ten minutes you could prove to be accurate, unlike the last ten minutes.- the last ten minutes. keep standing — the last ten minutes. keep standing by- _ the last ten minutes. keep standing by. giving - the last ten minutes. keep standing by. giving us- the last ten minutes. keep standing by. giving us a i the last ten minutes. keepi standing by. giving us a bit the last ten minutes. keep i standing by. giving us a bit of a breather. we will be back before much longer, i am sure. verification of votes, we are in the business and of the evening. if you know questions, are about to ask before we go. once the rn, going to get around to it. craig, would you welcome nigel farage into your party? he welcome nigel farage into your .a ? ., , :, welcome nigel farage into your .a ? :, :, welcome nigel farage into your -a ? ., ., , welcome nigel farage into your -a ? ., ., party? he has to go see that the party _ party? he has to go see that the party because _ party? he has to go see that the party because abby i party? he has to go see that the party because abby had| the party because abby had people vote for other parties for the last 30 years and says he does not want conservative party to prosper. i think that is entirely inconsistent being a member of the conservative party and i think he should join and i don't think he asked to train for that as far as i'm concerned, the matter would be closed on that case. he concerned, the matter would be closed on that case.— closed on that case. he was around very _ closed on that case. he was around very quickly - closed on that case. he was around very quickly your i around very quickly your conference with others in the

night away. look quite at home. he was there as a generalist. nigel farage has been advocating people do not go conservative and that is consistent with been a member of the conservative party both in scotland and throughout the rest of the uk. mat in scotland and throughout the rest of the uk.— rest of the uk. not 'ust tim, there fl rest of the uk. not 'ust tim, there are various _ rest of the uk. notjust tim, there are various people - rest of the uk. notjust tim, there are various people in l rest of the uk. notjust tim, l there are various people in the party at the moment. there is a sense almost that there is a regular party that were not losing —— would not mind losing and getting rid of rishi sunak and getting rid of rishi sunak and steering and a new direction.— and steering and a new direction. . ., , ., direction. that was not the impression _ direction. that was not the impression i _ direction. that was not the impression i got. - direction. that was not the impression i got. what - direction. that was not the impression i got. what i i direction. that was not the i impression i got. what i saw were people who are committed to rishi sunak's agenda and there were a lot of issues and policies in the speech that led to scotland. £20 million for seven scottish towns all in the next ten years. £140 million on top of 300 and £50 million of levelling up once. the snp have

a decade and have not answered. they have to drive a dangerous road every day and it would be pleased to get it to it.- pleased to get it to it. what do ou pleased to get it to it. what do you reckon _ pleased to get it to it. what do you reckon to _ pleased to get it to it. what do you reckon to that? - pleased to get it to it. what do you reckon to that? if. pleased to get it to it. what l do you reckon to that? if you were in government, labour got into government, would you put money straight into scotland? what are the pen who is running hollywood? we what are the pen who is running hollywood?— hollywood? we had the end argument — hollywood? we had the end argument and _ hollywood? we had the end argument and chaos - hollywood? we had the end. argument and chaos between hollywood? we had the end - argument and chaos between the snp and — argument and chaos between the snp and the speed of each othen _ snp and the speed of each other. what the public want to see is— other. what the public want to see is cooperation. i would have — see is cooperation. i would have governments of whatever strike — have governments of whatever strike would work together in the interest of communities. clydebank got money which is neighbouring town to my own. that _ neighbouring town to my own. that is — neighbouring town to my own. that is because there has been a lack— that is because there has been a lack of— that is because there has been a lack of investment over decades— a lack of investment over decades by both of these governments. and simply coming with a _ governments. and simply coming with a bag — governments. and simply coming with a bag of cash to distribute to local communities very much before an election is

being _ very much before an election is being called up as local communities.— being called up as local communities. , , ., communities. give us a contact for viewers. — communities. give us a contact for viewers, we're _ communities. give us a contact for viewers, we're talking - for viewers, we're talking about these 50 constituencies between government announced last week it would be pumping money into seven of them in scotland. what you make of that? are you content with that? are you content with that? �* ., .,. that? are you content with that? �* ., ., that? are you content with that? ~ ., ., , that? another facet of the ways the 're that? another facet of the ways they're trying — that? another facet of the ways they're trying to _ that? another facet of the ways they're trying to undermine - they're trying to undermine evolution _ they're trying to undermine evolution. the _ they're trying to undermine evolution. the business - they're trying to undermine evolution. the business i l evolution. the business i represented _ evolution. the business i represented and - evolution. the business i represented and many i evolution. the business i - represented and many across: look_ represented and many across: took at — represented and many across: took at this— represented and many across: look at this and _ represented and many across: look at this and safe _ represented and many across: look at this and safe wired to. look at this and safe wired to tory— look at this and safe wired to tory constituencies - look at this and safe wired to tory constituencies getting . tory constituencies getting money— tory constituencies getting money from _ tory constituencies getting money from all— tory constituencies getting money from all these - tory constituencies getting i money from all these places? two _ money from all these places? two of— money from all these places? two of the _ money from all these places? two of the once. _ money from all these places? two of the once. it _ money from all these places? two of the once. it is - money from all these places? two of the once. it is wrong l money from all these places? | two of the once. it is wrong to me _ two of the once. it is wrong to me many— two of the once. it is wrong to me. many would _ two of the once. it is wrong to me. many would agree. - two of the once. it is wrong to me. many would agree. let's| two of the once. it is wrong to i me. many would agree. let's go back_ me. many would agree. let's go back to — me. many would agree. let's go back to the _ me. many would agree. let's go back to the point _ me. many would agree. let's go back to the point about - back to the point about financial _ back to the point about financial managementl back to the point about - financial management because the last— financial management because the last words _ financial management because the last words of— financial management because the last words of the _ financial management because the last words of the last - the last words of the last labour_ the last words of the last labour government- the last words of the last labour government were�* the last words of the last - labour government were their own— labour government were their own words _ labour government were their own words no _ labour government were their own words. no money - labour government were their own words. no money left. i labour government were their. own words. no money left. they bankrupted _ own words. no money left. they bankrupted the _ own words. no money left. they bankrupted the country. - bankru pted the country. scottish _ bankrupted the country. scottish government i bankrupted the country. | scottish government has balanced _ scottish government has balanced this— scottish government has balanced this project i scottish government has l balanced this project every year— balanced this project every year and _ balanced this project every year and interesting - balanced this project every year and interesting wheni balanced this project every. year and interesting when you -et year and interesting when you get challenged _ year and interesting when you get challenged on _

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_ dividends. how will you treat this result? as _ dividends. how will you treat this result? as i _ dividends. how will you treat this result? as i have - dividends. how will you treat this result? as i have said, i | this result? as i have said, i think the — this result? as i have said, i think the snp _ this result? as i have said, i think the snp has _ this result? as i have said, i think the snp has a - this result? as i have said, i i think the snp has a challenge here — think the snp has a challenge here we _ think the snp has a challenge here. we have _ think the snp has a challenge here. we have to _ think the snp has a challenge here. we have to make - think the snp has a challenge here. we have to make sure i think the snp has a challenge l here. we have to make sure we have _ here. we have to make sure we have that, — here. we have to make sure we have that, what _ here. we have to make sure we have that, what seeing - here. we have to make sure we have that, what seeing in - here. we have to make sure we have that, what seeing in the i have that, what seeing in the uk through— have that, what seeing in the uk through breaks _ have that, what seeing in the uk through breaks and - have that, what seeing in the uk through breaks and other| uk through breaks and other things. — uk through breaks and other things, whether— uk through breaks and other things, whether it— uk through breaks and other things, whether it is- uk through breaks and other things, whether it is the i things, whether it is the trashing _ things, whether it is the trashing of— things, whether it is the trashing of the - things, whether it is the i trashing of the institutions in the uk — trashing of the institutions in the uk by— trashing of the institutions in the uk by boris _ trashing of the institutions in the uk by borisjohnson i trashing of the institutions in the uk by borisjohnson or. the uk by borisjohnson or whether— the uk by borisjohnson or whether it _ the uk by borisjohnson or whether it is _ the uk by borisjohnson or whether it is the _ the uk by borisjohnson or whether it is the financial. whether it is the financial £25— whether it is the financial {2.5 trillion _ whether it is the financial £2.5 trillion in _ whether it is the financial £2.5 trillion in debt. i whether it is the financial. £2.5 trillion in debt. higher taxes — £2.5 trillion in debt. higher taxes since _ £2.5 trillion in debt. higher taxes since the _ £2.5 trillion in debt. higher taxes since the war. - £2.5 trillion in debt. higherl taxes since the war. biggest drop— taxes since the war. biggest drop in— taxes since the war. biggest drop in living _ taxes since the war. biggest drop in living standards- taxes since the war. biggest drop in living standards. i drop in living standards. people _ drop in living standards. people don't _ drop in living standards. people don't want - drop in living standards. people don't want that. l drop in living standards. i people don't want that. we drop in living standards. - people don't want that. we have to represent— people don't want that. we have to represent a _ people don't want that. we have to represent a way— people don't want that. we have to represent a way out _ people don't want that. we have to represent a way out of- people don't want that. we have to represent a way out of that. l to represent a way out of that.

independence _ to represent a way out of that. independence probably- to represent a way out of that. i independence probably present an opportunity _ independence probably present an opportunity. we _ independence probably present an opportunity-— an opportunity. we are arguing the candidates _ an opportunity. we are arguing the candidates are _ an opportunity. we are arguing the candidates are making i an opportunity. we are arguing | the candidates are making their way to the stage now. to discuss the final arrangements with the returning officer. there we go. council headquarters. what i've been informed repeatedly by one of our producers which is the of the architect, chief architect what was then minister council in the early 60s that modelled it on the united nations building. which was built in early 1950. those were the days when local councils had a slightly different version of the importance that they do now. it is a grand old building. hosting a big important event tonight. hoping to see candidates walking onto the stage. we are right at the business and of this evening. keith was staying it is going to be interesting to see how the different parties treat this result. how will labour

triggers.? drunk on this result. how will labour triggers. ? drunk on success? this result. how will labour triggers.? drunk on success? in triggers.? drunk on success? ji�*i the same way we treated the electorate of rutherglen and hamilton west, we listened and knocked on the doors and had conversations. we ran a hopeful and positive campaign about the change labour would make in their constituency, in scotland and across the united kingdom. in contrast to the snp campaign which was usually negative. it was usually negative. you only need to review the literature put out even today. a leaflet saying don't waste your vote by voting labour. they treat the electorate as and the electorate as and the electorate i think will speak tonight. electorate i think will speak toniaht. ., , ., tonight. can you replicate that level of work? _ tonight. can you replicate that level of work? you _ tonight. can you replicate that level of work? you have i tonight. can you replicate that level of work? you have been| level of work? you have been living in the constituency for three months, 140 party presented it in one weekend treading the streets. that is pouring everything into one small corner of this country. the general election, a 6%

lead, you cannot do that everywhere.— lead, you cannot do that eve here. ~ , , everywhere. we will put every effort into working _ everywhere. we will put every effort into working towards i effort into working towards winning every single vote. we are not complacent about it. not complacent at all about it. keep couldn't muster enough resources. we had elite members say none are going out to work on rutherglen and hamilton west. we had them having to pay people to deliver leaflets. i’m people to deliver leaflets. i'm talkin: people to deliver leaflets. i'm talking about _ people to deliver leaflets. i'm talking about your party. you don't have the people. we can. i have to _ don't have the people. we can. i have to say. _ don't have the people. we can. i have to say, this _ don't have the people. we can. i have to say, this collection i i have to say, this collection has motivated so many of our activists to and deliver leaflets from right way across scotla nd leaflets from right way across scotland and that motivation will carry forward. let's see what the result tells us. about how this will labour 's chances.—

how this will labour 's chances. . , , ., chances. finally, before we get declaration _ chances. finally, before we get declaration hopefully, - chances. finally, before we get declaration hopefully, you i chances. finally, before we get declaration hopefully, you are l declaration hopefully, you are now down to your own support. the body has been shipped down to the bones. what happens now? i would point to the recent try-election _ i would point to the recent by—election in _ i would point to the recent by—election in south - i would point to the recent l by—election in south carrick. the — by—election in south carrick. the boat _ by—election in south carrick. the boat was _ by—election in south carrick. the boat was up _ by—election in south carrick. the boat was up by - by—election in south carrick. the boat was up by 20 - by—election in south carrick.| the boat was up by 20 points by—election in south carrick. i the boat was up by 20 points if you look— the boat was up by 20 points if you look around _ the boat was up by 20 points if you look around the _ the boat was up by 20 points if you look around the country. you look around the country beyond _ you look around the country beyond this— you look around the country beyond this constituency, i you look around the country. beyond this constituency, you will see — beyond this constituency, you will see we _ beyond this constituency, you will see we are _ beyond this constituency, you will see we are in _ beyond this constituency, you will see we are in contention. will see we are in contention against _ will see we are in contention against the _ will see we are in contention against the snp _ will see we are in contention against the snp and - will see we are in contention against the snp and we i will see we are in contention against the snp and we canl against the snp and we can galvanise _ against the snp and we can galvanise that— against the snp and we can galvanise that support - against the snp and we can galvanise that support and i against the snp and we can- galvanise that support and grow our boat — galvanise that support and grow our boat show. _ galvanise that support and grow our boat show. eight _ galvanise that support and grow our boat show. eight think - galvanise that support and grow our boat show. eight think thati our boat show. eight think that is what — our boat show. eight think that is what we _ our boat show. eight think that is what we will _ our boat show. eight think that is what we will do _ our boat show. eight think that is what we will do in _ our boat show. eight think that is what we will do in the - is what we will do in the general— is what we will do in the general election- is what we will do in the general election comesl is what we will do in the - general election comes around. into the — general election comes around. into the south _ general election comes around. into the south of _ general election comes around. into the south of scotland. - general election comes around. into the south of scotland. i'm i into the south of scotland. i'm not going _ into the south of scotland. i'm not going to _ into the south of scotland. i'm not going to put _ into the south of scotland. i'm not going to put a _ into the south of scotland. i'm not going to put a number- into the south of scotland. i'm not going to put a number on. not going to put a number on the spot— not going to put a number on the spot it _ not going to put a number on the spot it is _ not going to put a number on the spot it is possible - not going to put a number on the spot it is possible for- not going to put a number on the spot it is possible for us. the spot it is possible for us to increase _ the spot it is possible for us to increase our— the spot it is possible for us to increase our number- the spot it is possible for us to increase our number of. the spot it is possible for us. to increase our number of mps hext _ to increase our number of mps hext yeah _ to increase our number of mps next year. that _ to increase our number of mps next year. that is _ to increase our number of mps next year. that is what - to increase our number of mps next year. that is what i - to increase our number of mps next year. that is what i will i next year. that is what i will be working _ next year. that is what i will be working towards, - next year. that is what i will be working towards, what i be working towards, what douglas _ be working towards, what douglas ross _ be working towards, what douglas ross will- be working towards, what douglas ross will be - be working towards, what i douglas ross will be working

towards _ douglas ross will be working towards it _ douglas ross will be working towards. it is— douglas ross will be working towards. it is a _ douglas ross will be working towards. it is a straight- towards. it is a straight choice _ towards. it is a straight choice between - towards. it is a straight choice between the - towards. it is a straight- choice between the scottish container— choice between the scottish container can— choice between the scottish container can did— choice between the scottish container can did the - choice between the scottish container can did the snp. i choice between the scottish - container can did the snp. what is our container can did the snp. what is your aspiration? _ container can did the snp. what is your aspiration? we _ container can did the snp. what is your aspiration? we are - is your aspiration? we are hearing mid 205. is your aspiration? we are hearing mid 20s.— is your aspiration? we are hearing mid 20s. let's have a look. hearing mid 20s. let's have a look- we _ hearing mid 20s. let's have a look. we were _ hearing mid 20s. let's have a look. we were sitting - hearing mid 20s. let's have a look. we were sitting at - hearing mid 20s. let's have a look. we were sitting at 40%| hearing mid 20s. let's have a l look. we were sitting at 4096 in look. we were sitting at 40% in the polls —— 14%. we have double that in more than two years under the leadership. let's see what the result is tonight, what percentage swing thatis tonight, what percentage swing that is and i do remind them rutherglen and hamilton west is a weathervane seat. that makes us competitive and more seats. what we will do is work really hard to bring hope back to people in this country that we are the change the country needs. that voters have rejected both the tories and snp tonight.— rejected both the tories and snp toniaht. . , ., snp tonight. change is the word we hear a lot. _ snp tonight. change is the word we hear a lot. everybody - snp tonight. change is the word we hear a lot. everybody is - we hear a lot. everybody is offering it. let's see if they are going to deliver. hang on a second. here we go. candidates

walking onto the stage. the returning officer. there are ia candidates here. going to go through them all alphabetically. for the uk parliamentary by—election, for the rutherglen and hamilton west constituency on thursday 5 october 2023. the electorate was 82,10a. the total votes cast were 30,531. in the percentage poll was therefore 37 by cleland snadden, returning officerfor the uk parliamentary general election in the rutherglen and hamilton west constituency hereby give notice that the total number of votes polled for each candidate and the election was as follows. gloria adebo, scottish liberal democrats, 895 votes. bill

bonnar, scottish socialist party, three public transport, 271 votes. garry cooke, six votes. andrew daly, 81 votes. cameron eadie, scottish green party, 601 votes. applause _ . prince angus glover, emperor of india, 34 _ . prince angus glover, emperor of india, 34 votes. _ . prince angus glover, emperor of india, 34 votes. nail- of india, 3a votes. nail frazar, scottish family party, fearlessly speaking truth, 319 votes. ewan hoyle, volt uk, the uk and europe, a6 votes, thomas clerc, scottish conservatives and unionist party, 1192 votes —— thomas kerr. katy loudon, scottish national party, 8399 votes. ,

votes. cheering. chris caserta - votes. cheering. i chris caserta manny, votes. cheering. _ chris caserta manny, scottish trade unionist and socialist coalition, 178 votes. michael shanks, scottish labour party, 17800 and... shanks, scottish labour party, 17800 and. . ._ 17800 and... cheering. david 17800 and. . . cheering. david stark, _ 17800 and. . . cheering. david stark, reform - 17800 and... cheering. david stark, reform uk, changing politics for good, a03 votes. colette walker, independence for scotland party, 270 votes. a total of 5a ballot papers rejected. and i declare that michael shanks is elected to serve in the united kingdom parliament as the memberfor rutherglen kingdom parliament as the member for rutherglen and hamilton west constituency. cheering.

cani can i start by thanking you, returning _ can i start by thanking you, returning officer, and all your the efficient management of today's— the efficient management of today's election and also for all the — today's election and also for all the work that went into the recali— all the work that went into the recall petition process, it seems _ recall petition process, it seems like a lifetime ago now. it is seems like a lifetime ago now. it is truly— seems like a lifetime ago now. it is truly the honour of my life to _ it is truly the honour of my life to be _ it is truly the honour of my life to be elected to serve the people — life to be elected to serve the people of rutherglen and hamilton west. and i'd like to start— hamilton west. and i'd like to start by— hamilton west. and i'd like to start by thanking my campaign team — start by thanking my campaign team. they couldn't have asked for a _ team. they couldn't have asked for a better team of people to spend — for a better team of people to spend the past six months on all the — spend the past six months on all the streets of rutherglen and hamilton west and this victory— and hamilton west and this victory tonight is as much it is mine _ victory tonight is as much it is mine. they are a dedicated team — is mine. they are a dedicated team of— is mine. they are a dedicated team of exceptionally talented and hard—working people ably led and hard—working people ably ted by— and hard—working people ably led by the one and onlyjohn paut— led by the one and onlyjohn paul machugh, who i think as my agent— paul machugh, who i think as my agent for— paul machugh, who i think as my agent for all his hard work stop— agent for all his hard work stop cheering. i also want to thank my fellow candidates for the way the selection has been conducted. it's selection has been conducted. it's never— selection has been conducted. it's never easy standing for election— it's never easy standing for election and our democracy has been _ election and our democracy has been wett— election and our democracy has

been well served to the numerous stings and events we have _ numerous stings and events we have attended together. so thank — have attended together. so thank you. but my biggest thanks— thank you. but my biggest thanks go to the people who do not have — thanks go to the people who do not have put their trust in me to represent them. i've spoken to represent them. i've spoken to thousands of you in your living — to thousands of you in your living rooms, on your doorsteps, and church halls, and — doorsteps, and church halls, and cafes. _ doorsteps, and church halls, and cafes, on the street. you share — and cafes, on the street. you share your— and cafes, on the street. you share your hopes, your dreams, your— share your hopes, your dreams, your fears. _ share your hopes, your dreams, your fears, your aspirations with— your fears, your aspirations with me _ your fears, your aspirations with me and it's been a privilege to get to know all of you — privilege to get to know all of you. my— privilege to get to know all of you. my campaign has been focused _ you. my campaign has been focused on offering people here a fresh — focused on offering people here a fresh start, a breakaway from the divisiveness and destruction of two failing governments and to give a voice to those — governments and to give a voice to those who are too often voiceless in our society and i want — voiceless in our society and i want to— voiceless in our society and i want to highlightjust voiceless in our society and i want to highlight just one conversation, because it gets to the — conversation, because it gets to the heart of why i'm in politics _ to the heart of why i'm in politics. to bernie and your daughter— politics. to bernie and your daughterjodi, you welcomed me into your— daughterjodi, you welcomed me into your lives and told me about _ into your lives and told me about the challenges you have been — about the challenges you have been facing with disability and exclusion and the constant battte _ exclusion and the constant battle for the support you need to leave — battle for the support you need to leave the life you want. we — to leave the life you want. i've spent 20 years working

with — i've spent 20 years working with disabled people and your story, — with disabled people and your story, sadly, is not unique and it's something i'd like to work hard — it's something i'd like to work hard on — it's something i'd like to work hard on as— it's something i'd like to work hard on as the mp for this area _ hard on as the mp for this area too _ hard on as the mp for this area. too many families now are struggling — area. too many families now are struggling with the cost—of—living crisis and with nhs — cost—of—living crisis and with nhs waiting lists stop and after— nhs waiting lists stop and after voting snp for years you put your — after voting snp for years you put your trust in me and i will work— put your trust in me and i will work tirelessly to repay that trust — work tirelessly to repay that trust. people need representation and have too often — representation and have too often been ignored. people need change _ often been ignored. people need change from governments that have _ change from governments that have too — change from governments that have too often been distracted. but that — have too often been distracted. but that change isn't just have too often been distracted. but that change isn'tjust here in rutherglen and hamilton west — in rutherglen and hamilton west. across scotland, communities like this are being let down — communities like this are being let down. this isn't as good as it gets — let down. this isn't as good as it gets and _ let down. this isn't as good as it gets and thanks to the leadership, people are once again— leadership, people are once again listening to the scottish labour— again listening to the scottish labour party and know from tonight— labour party and know from tonight that change is possible. across the uk, keir starmer— possible. across the uk, keir starmer is _ possible. across the uk, keir starmer is showing that a relentless focus on delivering for working people offers a clear— for working people offers a clear alternative to the out of touch, — clear alternative to the out of touch, morally bankrupt tory party~ — touch, morally bankrupt tory party~ so _ touch, morally bankrupt tory party. so the message from

tonight— party. so the message from tonight is a resoundingly clear one~ _ tonight is a resoundingly clear one we — tonight is a resoundingly clear one. we have had more than enough — one. we have had more than enough of— one. we have had more than enough of managed decline, more than enough of division, more than _ than enough of division, more than enough of division, more than enough of division, more than enough of distract did, chaotic— than enough of distract did, chaotic government. it's time for change. that change can't come — for change. that change can't come fast _ for change. that change can't come fast enough. but one thing is now— come fast enough. but one thing is now clear, there is no part of this— is now clear, there is no part of this country where labour can't — of this country where labour can't win _ of this country where labour can't win. labour can kick the tories — can't win. labour can kick the tories out _ can't win. labour can kick the tories out of downing street next — tories out of downing street next year and deliver the change _ next year and deliver the change that people want in this country— change that people want in this country so badly needs. tonight is one _ country so badly needs. tonight is one part _ country so badly needs. tonight is one part of that journey. tomorrow— is one part of that journey. tomorrow our faith continues and _ tomorrow our faith continues and my— tomorrow our faith continues and my work to represent you as the mp_ and my work to represent you as the mp of— and my work to represent you as the mp of this fantastic community begins. thank you. cheering. there we go, michael shanks, the new mp for rutherglen and hamilton west. the buzzword is changed, isn't it, he mentioned quite lot in the george bridge. is that it was the honour of his life and he spent six months pounding the streets for this victory. a fresh start, time for change. we will offer

a clear alternative and we can win right across this country. i think we can go through this results in full. let's look first at the votes cast per candidate. there we have it. michael shanks there on 17,8a5 votes. labourwin michael shanks there on 17,8a5 votes. labour win by a thumping majority. katy loudon of the snp. a thousand 399. thomas kerr, conservative, 1192 votes, gloria adebo of the lib dems, 895, and cameron eadie of the scottish green party 601 votes. right, let's look at the vote share. i think we can bring you that. can we bring you the graphic of a vote share? no, we can't. we will have that, needless to say i'm a very shortly. professor sirjohn

curtice, what you make of those numbers? this is a remarkably good result for the labour party. good result for the labour pa . ~ good result for the labour pa . . ., , ., party. well above the expectation _ party. well above the expectation of - party. well above the expectation of the - party. well above the - expectation of the labour party have come i suspect, let alone anybody else who needs to worry about the kinds of swings we have been seeing in the opinion polls in scotland. the labour voters up to nearly 59%, it is “p voters up to nearly 59%, it is up 2a points. if they say to you that means that labour's vote in the constituency as mr xi as it was in 2010 before the tsunami that swept the labour party from virtually every constituency in scotland, you will realise how good a result it is. the swing of about 20% is more or less twice that is currently there in the opinion polls. so i think the truth is the labour party will be able to justifiably claim this is the kind of result that suggest the kind of result that suggest the labour party is potentially capable of winning seats again in scotland and commented, haven't done any calculation here but i suspected of this kind of swing were to replicate across scotland as a hollywood document the labour party quite

clearly being me dominant party north of the border once again and severas scotland's representation is concerned. there isn't much joy for everybody else stop everybody else lost their deposit, including the conservatives with just under a% of the vote. this very clearly became a two horse race, but it is a two horse race, but it is a two horse race, but it is a two horse race in which there is one very, very clear winner. to what extent can you extrapolate from a 37% turnout on a pilot may have been fought on very specific and precise local issues? ,, ., , issues? sure. the obvious caveat to _ issues? sure. the obvious caveat to this _ issues? sure. the obvious caveat to this is _ issues? sure. the obvious caveat to this is that - caveat to this is that governments that are unpopular, danger he has been quite keen to point out throughout the evening, we know the uk government is very unpopular and we know the snp government is less popular than it was six months ago. in those circumstances, by—elections will also —— will often exaggerate the swing against the government. but still, is the government. but still, is the direction of travel that you cannot ignore in this

by—election and it does signal to the snp that it does have a very substantial challenge between now and the next general election. one nice little, perhaps, historical footnote, that the labour party might want to point out, the last time the labour party gained a seat in a scottish by—election is just before the 196a general election, it was in rutherglen, albeit on that occasion from the conservatives, and of course labour did go on to win the general election, 196a, albeit only varo —— very narrowly. that is labour party of ancient history. let's speak to the labour party leader of today, anas sarwar. congratulations first of all, quite a result. what you make of it? it’s what you make of it? it's extraordinary _ what you make of it? it's extraordinary and - what you make of it? it's extraordinary and i - what you make of it? it�*s extraordinary and i think this is a seismic note here in scotland and an historic night. i think scottish politics has fundamentally changed and i think rutherglen and hamilton west have sent a very clear

message that they are sick of two tide, failing, incompetent governments and they are desperate for a fresh start, desperate for a fresh start, desperate for a change in the vehicle for that changes now scottish labour. i also believe this demonstrates scotland will lead the way in delivering a uk wide labour government. i think it is important to stress this isn't a victory two months or six months in a making it is a victory years in the making because we have been keen to show that scottish labour has changed and we are back on the pitch and we are determined to focus on scotland's future, we are determined to deliver change for every community across the country, think keir starmer deserves immense credit. the transformation he has made of the uk labour party to make it compete again after one of the worst results in our history and to demonstrate that we can get rid of this rotten tory government is in itself sending a very strong message in scotland and right across the uk. , , , ., ~ in scotland and right across theuk. , , , ., ~ ~ the uk. this is big talk, mr sarwar. — the uk. this is big talk, mr sarwar. you _ the uk. this is big talk, mr sarwar, you are _ the uk. this is big talk, mr sarwar, you are saying - the uk. this is big talk, mr - sarwar, you are saying seismic change, you're talking about effectively, the undertone of what you are saying, is sweeping across scotland now. it is one by—election, a 37%

turnaround —— turn—out and is in a constituency that has been badly let down by an snp mp. this is a higher turnout than other by—elections, we have more than double the snp vote in this constituency. right across the political spectrum. i think asjohn kotis has just i think asjohn kotis hasjust said, scottish labour i think asjohn kotis has just said, scottish labour hasn't won a parliamentary by—election for more than 12 years in scotland, that demonstrates the change we are seeing. i think you can see as clear as day that people in this community and people write across the country are sick of more of the same, they are sick of the managed decline, they can see this as near as good as it gets, our country fundamentally needs to change in every part of our country and that change can only come by electing scottish labour mps and electing a uk labour government has got normal lead the way in delivering that. i has got normal lead the way in delivering that.— delivering that. i don't think an of delivering that. i don't think any of us — delivering that. i don't think any of us would _ delivering that. i don't think any of us would be - delivering that. i don't think| any of us would be surprised delivering that. i don't think. any of us would be surprised to see sir keir starmer turning up in this part of the country

tomorrow. you will have a word with him, no doubt. what will you be telling him you want and need for the next election campaign?— need for the next election camaiun? ~' campaign? well, i think you most important _ campaign? well, i think you most important thing - campaign? well, i think you most important thing is - campaign? well, i think you most important thing is that we're not complacent. you have seen successful by—elections in other parts of the country, successful by—election here in scotland, labour is now demonstrating we are able to win every single part of the country. one thing people need to know about keir starmer and ideas we are not complacent, we're not getting arrogant thinking it's a done deal. we have still got a mountain to climb, we still have work to do, and with humility we will continue to reach out to every community right across the country and own peoples trust and boats. the country has decided they want the snp and the tories to lose, we have to persuade them now that labour can win and when it does when it will transform every part of our country. that's what you will get if you vote scottish labour in the next general election all right, anas sarwar, congratulations. i’m sarwar, congratulations. i'm sure we'll — sarwar, congratulations. i'm sure we'll speak _ sarwar, congratulations. i'm sure we'll speak to - sarwar, congratulations. i'm sure we'll speak to more than once in the coming days. en'oy our once in the coming days. en'oy your evening. d once in the coming days. en'oy your evening. look i once in the coming days. en'oy

your evening. look forward h once in the coming days. enjoy your evening. look forward to l your evening. look forward to it. good stuff. _ your evening. look forward to it. good stuff. we _ your evening. look forward to it. good stuff. we will- your evening. look forward to it. good stuff. we will see - your evening. look forward to | it. good stuff. we will see you soon. vasse sirjohn curtice, big words from anas sarwar, saying they have had enough of tories and the snp. fsine tories and the snp. one constituency. _ tories and the snp. one constituency. sure, - tories and the snp. one constituency. sure, it. tories and the snp. one constituency. sure, it is| tories and the snp. one - constituency. sure, it is only one constituency, but it is a remarkably good result. by the way, think it is the biggest increase in labour's vote in any scottish by—election for westminster since the second world war. it is a very, very good result for labour. again, bearin good result for labour. again, bear in mind, 59% of the vote almost, that's almost what labour had in this constituency backin labour had in this constituency back in 2010 when the labour party was able to win, you know, a0 odd seats in scotland. now, there is certainly no guarantee that this would have happened in every constituency if we had an election today and are certainly no guarantee that this will be replicated in a general elect, i don't think the snp can avoid in the wake of this results is that they do

now face a serious challenge from the labour party for the many, many says that the snp currently have north of the border and that it does now look as though perhaps the labour party has a list some opportunity of becoming, once again, the largest party at westminster. of course, still 12 months to go to the election, etc, etc, but the challenge at least now is very clearly there. mi challenge at least now is very clearly there.— clearly there. all right. professor _ clearly there. all right. professor sir _ clearly there. all right. professor sirjohn - clearly there. all right. i professor sirjohn curtice, thank you for that and thank you for everything this evening. a quick word from each of our panel. leslie really, first to you. crikey. big talk tonight. laboursweeping first to you. crikey. big talk tonight. labour sweeping back across scotland, labour sweeping back into downing street, the party that i give... you devote much of your life to independence. they won't give you a referendum. how are you feeling michael shanks, congratulations to him — how are you feeling today? seems a sincere, capable man. that— seems a sincere, capable man. that is— seems a sincere, capable man. that is a — seems a sincere, capable man. that is a great result for labour _ that is a great result for labour. cannot take that away from _ labour. cannot take that away from him _ labour. cannot take that away from him i_ labour. cannot take that away from him. iwas labour. cannot take that away

from him. i was thinking about what _ from him. i was thinking about what was — from him. i was thinking about what was said that it is clear now— what was said that it is clear now that _ what was said that it is clear now that scotland wants to absolutely get rid of the tories _ absolutely get rid of the tories. that as parry number one — tories. that as parry number one the _ tories. that as parry number one. the question is, for a one term _ one. the question is, for a one term or— one. the question is, for a one term or for— one. the question is, for a one term or for good? that is what the snp — term or for good? that is what the snp have to focus on now, realty— the snp have to focus on now, really make clear that independence is a way to get the government you vote for every — the government you vote for every single time. and you cannot— every single time. and you cannot have any shrinking from that now — cannot have any shrinking from that now. there is no question... seismic, stonking. ae in _ question... seismic, stonking. ae in politics and the big thing _ ae in politics and the big thing in _ ae in politics and the big thing in politics is momentum. goes _ thing in politics is momentum. goes into— thing in politics is momentum. goes into conference week to be, and — goes into conference week to be, and that— goes into conference week to be, and that is— goes into conference week to be, and that is great- goes into conference week to be, and that is great for- goes into conference week to be, and that is great for him. j be, and that is great for him. ithink— be, and that is great for him. i think you _ be, and that is great for him. i think you will _ be, and that is great for him. i think you will be _ be, and that is great for him. i think you will be seeing - i think you will be seeing michaet— i think you will be seeing michael everywhere - i think you will be seeing michael everywhere on l i think you will be seeing l michael everywhere on the french— michael everywhere on the french everywhere. - michael everywhere on the french everywhere. find i michael everywhere on the french everywhere. and quickly, are ou french everywhere. and quickly, are you right _ french everywhere. and quickly, are you right for— french everywhere. and quickly, are you right for spectators? - are you right for spectators? if you are writing this up for the magazine next week, what is the magazine next week, what is the headline? what is the top part? the headline? what is the top art? ., , .,

the headline? what is the top part? certainly a good result for labour- _ part? certainly a good result for labour. it _ part? certainly a good result for labour. it was _ part? certainly a good result for labour. it was a - part? certainly a good result for labour. it was a surprise|