she told one who stabbed brianna. she told the psychiatrist that she grabbed the psychiatrist that she grabbed the knife from eddie ratcliffe and stabbed her repeatedly. she told the psychiatrist she was excited by what she was doing. she was asked how many times she stabbed brianna and she said, a lot. we have also started to get victim personal statements, these are statements from family members of brianna gate when they get to talk about the impact of her death. —— ghey. peter spooner, brianna ghey�*s father, had talked about how he had been signed off work and would never come to terms with the loss of his daughter. he said every day, something reminds me of brianna and what she went through on that day. i wish i wasn't standing here reading this statement today but if i wasn't, it would have been another father standing here and i wouldn't wish this on anyone. we have also had a statement from the mother, esther gate. the mother

of brianna gaye. who talked about —— ghey. brianna wasn't a fighter, she said, she must have been so scared. no parent should ever have to bury their child. the good memories hurt so much because she isn't there to share them with me. you can tell the absolutely devastating impact that this has had on the ghey family and theirfriends. you this has had on the ghey family and their friends.— their friends. you “ust mentioned there their friends. you 'ust mentioned there the their friends. you just mentioned there the families _ their friends. you just mentioned there the families all _ their friends. you just mentioned there the families all talking, - their friends. you just mentioned there the families all talking, we | there the families all talking, we are slowly getting these impact statements, but when it came to naming the two killers of brianna ghey, how much of a weight would the effect the families of the killers would have had on thejudge�*s decision, there? i would have had on the 'udge's decision, there?h would have had on the 'udge's decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancin: decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancing act _ decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancing act that _ decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancing act that the _ decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancing act that the judge - decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancing act that the judge has i decision, there? i mean, it's a fine balancing act that the judge has to | balancing act that the judge has to consider about the impact on the welfare of the killers but also on their families themselves who, as i say, the family of scarlett jenkinson had already received death

threats. it's worth pointing out that their names were already widely available on social media, despite the legal restrictions in place on naming them but the judge the legal restrictions in place on naming them but thejudge had to consider the impact on any future rehabilitation, what threat it might pose to these two while they are in jail if they are named and their faces are well known. versus the principles of open justice, that we have an open court system and people are allowed to report what happens in them and the level of public interest in the case which she described as an extraordinary case that she had dealt with and there is also the argument around a potential deterrent effect to deter other people from such crimes that people need to see and understand who these people are and what the impact of this is going to have on their lives. we have seen previous child killers being named, it isn't a very common experience, but perhaps the most well—known case would be that of james most well—known case would be that ofjames bolger most well—known case would be that of james bolger killers of most well—known case would be that ofjames bolger killers ofjon venables and robert thompson were ten at the time. they had an

anonymity but were named at the end of their trial in 1994, if you look more recently in 2014, a killer was 15 when he stabbed his teacher anne mcguire to death at his school in leeds. he was named at the end of his trial as well so it does happen but this is a fairly rare occurrence.— but this is a fairly rare occurrence. , ., , ,., , , occurrence. yes, absolutely, it is . uite occurrence. yes, absolutely, it is quite rare — occurrence. yes, absolutely, it is quite rare and — occurrence. yes, absolutely, it is quite rare and when _ occurrence. yes, absolutely, it is quite rare and when these - occurrence. yes, absolutely, it is- quite rare and when these youngsters do get named in public, they do tend to become notorious. just why we have rowan there, i wanted to bring you some pictures we are just getting here at bbc news. this is a moving footage we are getting from cheshire police of the arrest of scarlettjenkinson. these are the moving images we are just getting in, just been released by cheshire police. apologies, of the arrest of

eddie ratcliffe. and of scarlett jenkinson there. pictures of both of them being arrested and as i say, these are images just coming in there. you canjust about these are images just coming in there. you can just about see their they look quite upset and as rowan has been telling us, we are expecting lots of images, documents to be released. we havejust been showing you the pictures, those initial custody photos of the two teenagers, scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe and these at the arrest videos just being released by police and we are continuing to roll with this story as we get more and more of those images, documents being released to the media as both

of brianna ghey�*s killers have been named by thejudge. that restriction order due to their age has been lifted. do stay with us here on bbc news, you can get more on our bbc news, you can get more on our bbc news website. we havejournalists inside the court tweeting, also writing updates, so if you can follow online, please do so. let's head back to the court where our reporter rowan bridge is therefore us and, robin, just remind viewers who may havejust us and, robin, just remind viewers who may have just tuned in with us the background to this case. this was a case that gained the public�*s attention not just here in the uk but around the world — that these were two children from supportive, stable families backgrounds who plotted and carried out what's been described as a 'savage' killing in a quiet corner of a cheshire. yes, i mean, this was a crime that shocked the country, really.

children starving to death another child in broad daylight on a weekend afternoon in cheshire. brianna ghey was attacked on a saturday afternoon in linear park in culcheth which is a village near warrington. the two killers in this case had plotted over time how they were going attack. they had drawn up a note how they would be a key word they would use when they started to stab her. brianna ghey thought she was going to meet a friend and court the bus to meet a friend and court the bus to linear park on a saturday afternoon. instead, she was actually going to meet her murderers. they went for a walk through linear park and then brianna ghey was stabbed with a large knife 28 times before the killers were seen lopping off into the distance across a farmer's field. brianna ghey body was discovered by a couple out walking their dog and she died at the scene. the two killers left the scene and

thought they had got away with it. one of them messaged the other to say that they didn't think they were going to get caught because they basically described the police as incompetent. however, they were arrested within about 48 hours and indeed at eddie ratcliffe was mike home, they found bloody clothes and trainers with brianna's blood on them as well as the knife which police believe was used in the attack. when they went to the house of scarlettjenkinson, they find a written note explaining how they would carry out the attack. this was a premeditated murder of a 16—year—old schoolgirl by fellow schoolchildren. they stood trial here at manchester crown court in december last year and it took the jury december last year and it took the jury less than five hours to find them both guilty of the murder of brianna ghey. now, up until today, there has been an anonymity order in place, legal restrictions preventing us from naming the two killers but

that order was lifted this morning by thejudge in that order was lifted this morning by the judge in that case, mrs justice yet. and we have been hearing today personal victim statements from the family members of brianna ghey talking about the impact her death has had on them. the most recent word we heard was from alicia ghey, brianna ghey sister, and this gives you an idea of the impact of these crimes have on people. the night we were told we had lost brianna has overpowered the memories i had of her. i now feel anxious and struggled to trust new people that i meet because i was brianna ghey friend that she trusted... because it was brianna's friend who she trusted that ended her life. this was scarlett jenkinson and brianna thought she was going to meet a friend when in fact she was going to meet a murderer when they attacked her in linear park in culcheth.— linear park in culcheth. rowan, while you _ linear park in culcheth. rowan, while you have _ linear park in culcheth. rowan, while you have been _ linear park in culcheth. rowan, while you have been talking, i linear park in culcheth. rowan, | while you have been talking, we linear park in culcheth. rowan, - while you have been talking, we are releasing more and more footage as

we get it, currently we are looking at brianna ghey�*s family as they were arriving into court today. obviously, a family that has been hugely affected and there you were just reading one of the family impact statements there. we have also been taking a look at some cctv footage that cheshire police has just released and footage of the killers as they were making their way away from the crime scene, either to or away from the crime scene. i believe that was just in the run—up to the murder and you can just see they're the suspects have been highlighted. girl x, just see they're the suspects have been highlighted. girlx, as just see they're the suspects have been highlighted. girl x, as we knew her, which we now know is scarlett jenkinson and boy y, you canjust see there with the blue tag above his head, we now know is 16—year—old eddie ratcliffe. rowan, just bringing you back outside manchester

crown court, you have been following this case throughout and have also been seeing some of this as we have been seeing some of this as we have been getting it. we are now watching rowan on our screens now. boy y, who we now know as eddie ratcliffe, boarding a bus, paying for his fair home following the murder. also, some dash cam footage, too, of both scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe walking together away from the scene. that is dash cam footage. of course, all of this fed in to the investigation by police, rowan and a lot of that investigation as well that we had initially heard looked at messages between the pair, text messages between the two as they planned out this attack.— planned out this attack. yeah, this was a premeditated _ planned out this attack. yeah, this was a premeditated murder - planned out this attack. yeah, this was a premeditated murder of - planned out this attack. yeah, this was a premeditated murder of a i

was a premeditated murder of a fellow child. they had drawn up in fact what they called a kill list with five names on it, brianna ghey was one of them. but they had discussed how they might carry out the murder, what the murder weapon might be and they had these discussions on text messages between them and at the house of scarlett jenkinson, they actually find a written note where they described how they would carry out the attack. the footage you have just been watching, some of that was just as they met brianna ghey as she got off they met brianna ghey as she got off the bus and they went with her to linear park where they then attacked her with a knife. she was stabbed 28 times and died from her injuries. the two teenagers then got on the bus, as you saw, and went home. eddie ratcliffe still had the clothes that he had been wearing when he attacked brianna ghey and they were found in his wardrobe at his home along with bloody trainers. but scarletjenkinson�*s home, they

found this note where she described how the attack would take place so that two of them really acted like teenagers, they didn't try and cover their tracks. when the police found their tracks. when the police found the evidence and went through their phones, it was quite clear that this was a premeditated, planned attack that the two of them had carried out. �* , ., ., ., ., out. and there is a lot of detail that came _ out. and there is a lot of detail that came out _ out. and there is a lot of detail that came out on _ out. and there is a lot of detail that came out on girl _ out. and there is a lot of detail that came out on girl x - out. and there is a lot of detail that came out on girl x who - out. and there is a lot of detail that came out on girl x who we out. and there is a lot of detail- that came out on girl x who we now know is scarlettjenkinson. know is scarlett jenkinson. especially know is scarlettjenkinson. especially when she was giving evidence, she said she enjoyed watching videos of death and torture on the dark web. she was obsessed with brianna but i think what was quite interesting was the two blamed each other in court.— each other in court. yeah, that's ri . ht. each other in court. yeah, that's right- during _ each other in court. yeah, that's right. during the _ each other in court. yeah, that's right. during the trial, _ each other in court. yeah, that's right. during the trial, they - each other in court. yeah, that's right. during the trial, they both claimed that they had had nothing to do with it and it was the other that had in fact carried out the attack. eddie ratcliffe said that he had gone to urinate behind a tree and it was scarlettjenkinson who in fact had stabbed brianna ghey. scarlett

jenkinson said she wasn't at the scene and that it was eddie ratcliffe who carried out the attack. but we heard this morning in some of the evidence, i'm just going back to it on my phone, the prosecution casey talked about how scarlettjenkinson was assessed by psychiatrist after she had been convicted and told the psychiatrist that she grabbed the knife from eddie ratcliffe and stabbed brianna repeatedly. she told the psychiatrist she was satisfied and excited by what she was doing and when she was asked by the psychiatrist how many times she stabbed brianna, she said a lot. she said that she killed her so that brianna would always be with her. so it seems that certainly both of them were involved in this attack and both of them have been convicted of murder and will face life sentences. and you talk about those sentences we are still waiting for those sentences. both found guilty of murder. what kind of sentence could they both receive?—

they both receive? well, i mean, that will be _ they both receive? well, i mean, that will be up— they both receive? well, i mean, that will be up to _ they both receive? well, i mean, that will be up to the _ they both receive? well, i mean, that will be up to the judge - they both receive? well, i mean, that will be up to the judge to - they both receive? well, i mean, l that will be up to the judge to take into account the nature of the crime come the way was carried out, the age of the defendants in the case and what she considers to be an appropriate minimum term that they will have to spend in jail. if you look at the case of will cornick for example who killed anne in 2014, he was sentenced to a minimum term of 24 years and each case is assists different. justice yip will have to take in the specific circumstances in this case. that will be the premeditated nature of the crime but she will also consider the age of the defendants when they carried out the defendants when they carried out the murder and weigh up those factors when it comes to deciding what that minimum term will be. that is the minimum time they will have to spend in custody but what they will be given is a life sentence so although they will be potentially eligible for parole at some point presumably, that does not necessarily mean they will be released at that point. it will be “p released at that point. it will be up to the parole board to decide when they consider them fit for

release. ., . �* , when they consider them fit for release. ., ., �* , ., , release. rowan bridge, 'ust outside manchester crown h release. rowan bridge, just outside manchester crown court _ release. rowan bridge, just outside manchester crown court following l manchester crown court following that for us. well, we are rolling on this breaking news coming out of manchester crown court that the two teenagers convicted of the murder of brianna ghey have been named by the judge. they have been named as scarlettjenkinson and 16—year—old eddie ratcliffe. they are the pictures that have just been released. we are sticking with this story on bbc news, you can also head to our bbc news live pages where you can get more analysis and reaction from our correspondence, some inside the court, including judith moritz who is there. she is keeping us updated. talking about some of the statements being read out, one on behalf of brianna's mother saying

that the house is so quiet without brianna. the statement goes on to say the good memories hurt so much because they are not there to share them with me. we are getting lots of different things coming to us here on bbc news and ijust want to show you some of the cctv footage that we have just had you some of the cctv footage that we havejust had in. if we you some of the cctv footage that we have just had in. if we take a look at this that has just been released, some cctv footage of both scarlett jenkinson and eddie ratcliffe. this is a cctv footage of them shortly after the attack, after what has been described as that frenzied attack on brianna ghey, this is the pair there. you can see scarlett jenkinson there is x, eddie ratcliffe as y with the blue marker above his head, just moments after

they stabbed brianna 28 times in her head, her neck and her chest. let's take a look at some more footage just been released. that is eddie ratcliffe just getting on the bus there after the murder paying for his ticket. again, footagejust being released by cheshire police, releasing this because there is so much public interest in this case and here we go, some more footage just been released to us. that is dash cam footage of the pair shortly after that attack in linear park in culcheth near warrington. almost one year ago to the day. this is well, this is a rest footage of the pair being arrested by cheshire police. again, just been released to us and really being released because of the public interest because, really, the

nation has struggled to comprehend how these two young children, who were we can see being arrested on our screens now, from supportive, stable families plotted to carry out this savage attack in the quiet corner of cheshire. but lots of footage now being released as the judge decided to lift the restriction on naming the pair simply because of their age. we are going to be speaking to a judge in the coming minutes to get their reaction on this but let's head back now to manchester crown court. we are following proceedings, too, inside the court. we have rowan bridge there who has been following the case throughout and rub in, just give us a little bit of an idea as to what is happening inside court right now. to what is happening inside court riaht now. , , ., ., right now. yes, this morning we have been hearing — right now. yes, this morning we have

been hearing victim _ right now. yes, this morning we have been hearing victim personal- been hearing victim personal statements from brianna ghey�*s families being read out on their behalf in some cases where they are talking about their memories of brianna and the devastating impact that her murder has had on them as individuals. if i quote to you alicia ghey, brianna ghey sister, said i now feel anxious and struggled to trust new people that i meet because it was brianna's friend who she trusted who ended her life. no one can ever make me feel better. the only thing that would is hearing her voice and laughter and i must carry that for the rest of my life. wesley powell, the stepdad of brianna ghey, has also had a statement read out on his behalf full stop he said, brianna's death wasn't peaceful, it was brutal and savage. she was laid face down in the dirt, terrified and alone. it breaks my hurt and fills me with sorrow. brianna had a large online following but in reality, she was lonely and vulnerable. eddie and scarlett knew this and prayed on

her. during their trial, we observed a lack of remorse and had to listen to lie after lie. the judge a lack of remorse and had to listen to lie after lie. thejudge in a lack of remorse and had to listen to lie after lie. the judge in the case, justice amanda yip said they were very emotional statements, i can feel the emotion in the room so you can tell the atmosphere and the devastating impact that brianna ghey�*s death has had on herfamily and friends. yes ghey's death has had on her family and friends-— and friends. yes and i think it is really shocking _ and friends. yes and i think it is really shocking to _ and friends. yes and i think it is really shocking to a _ and friends. yes and i think it is really shocking to a lot - and friends. yes and i think it is really shocking to a lot of - and friends. yes and i think it is l really shocking to a lot of people, notjust in that local community, not just in that local community, not just in that local community, not just notjust in that local community, notjust in that local community, notjust in the uk but around the world when people heard about these two young teenagers stabbing someone 28 times. now, as we have been telling the audience here on bbc news, thejudge has decided to telling the audience here on bbc news, the judge has decided to lift that restriction on naming them simply because of their age. the judge, justice yip, has lifted that restriction but lawyers for the two teenagers opposed the media application to lift the restrictions. just talk us through the arguments that they gave to the court. ., �* , .,

the arguments that they gave to the court. . �*, ., ., . the arguments that they gave to the court. . �*, ., w court. yeah, it's a balancing act here. court. yeah, it's a balancing act here- the _ court. yeah, it's a balancing act here. the concern _ court. yeah, it's a balancing act here. the concern really - court. yeah, it's a balancing act here. the concern really was i court. yeah, it's a balancing act - here. the concern really was around the welfare for the two murderers in this case and their families. so what would the implications be of releasing their names into the public domain? would that put them at more risk while they are in prison because they are going to get sent to prison, they are both going to be given life sentences and what would it mean for any potential rehabilitation of scarlettjenkinson rehabilitation of scarlett jenkinson and rehabilitation of scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe when they are released from prison? would it impede any potential rehabilitation of them if they are indeed at any point released from jail quiz night on the other of that, it's the balancing of the principle of open justice that people should be allowed to know what happens in court and that people are normally named in court cases. there is also an argument around the level of public interest in the case and a potential deterrent effect that people get to see who these people are that they are real people with real names. this is notjust an

abstract concept of an unnamed teenager but we get to see who these people are and what the impact is on real people and whether that would have a deterrent effect on anybody else who might consider carrying out such a murderous and heinous crime. yes, and we heard those arguments from those professionals working with the teenagers, naming the two would cause significant mental health damage. but then on the other hand, they are due to turn 18 shortly so there, the judge having to weigh up whether or not it made sense to id them now or in 18 months' time.— sense to id them now or in 18 months' time. . ., ., , ., ., months' time. yeah, that was one of the other point _ months' time. yeah, that was one of the other point to _ months' time. yeah, that was one of the other point to the _ months' time. yeah, that was one of the other point to the judge - months' time. yeah, that was one of the other point to the judge made i months' time. yeah, that was one of the other point to the judge made in| the other point to the judge made in the other point to the judge made in the case was that effectively, anonymity would have been lifted in 2025 regardless once they reached 18. now, she made the point that at that point, there would be less of an interest in the case probably but also balancing that out, the point

was that the interest is heightened amongst the public at the moment and therefore that was also an argument for naming them at this point but their names would have eventually made it into the public domain regardless at the point when they turned 18. they are 16 at the moment, they werejust 15 turned 18. they are 16 at the moment, they were just 15 when they carried out this murder. find moment, they were just 15 when they carried out this murder.— carried out this murder. and also rowan i carried out this murder. and also rowan i know — carried out this murder. and also rowan i know you _ carried out this murder. and also rowan i know you have _ carried out this murder. and also rowan i know you have been - carried out this murder. and also - rowan i know you have been following this story. in the local community, you see these two on the cctv the police has just released to us today, you see these two walking through the local community, going to a local park where they carried out this attack but also boarding buses just after it. there must have been a lot of people, a lot of eyewitnesses, that saw what happened and you mention the people that actually found brianna's body. what kind of impact has such a brutal crime like this had on this small leafy part of cheshire?- leafy part of cheshire? well, i think it is _ leafy part of cheshire? well, i think it is safe _ leafy part of cheshire? well, i think it is safe to _ leafy part of cheshire? well, i think it is safe to say - leafy part of cheshire? well, i think it is safe to say this - leafy part of cheshire? well, i think it is safe to say this is i think it is safe to say this is probably one of the darkest days at

warrington has faced. culcheth is a village just outside of warrington. we saw tributes... brianna ghey was transgender and we saw in the aftermath of her death and outpouring of grief and vigils are amongst the transgender community. i should point out that the police stressed that they don't consider this to have been a hate crime, they think brianna ghey was unfortunate that she was just the person they were able to target and kill. now, eddie ratcliffe certainly sent transphobic messages to scarlett jenkinson as they were planning this attack but the police say they didn't treat it as a hate crime, theyjust didn't treat it as a hate crime, they just treated didn't treat it as a hate crime, theyjust treated it didn't treat it as a hate crime, they just treated it as a didn't treat it as a hate crime, theyjust treated it as a murder. but i think it had a devastating impact on the local community and brianna's family, friends, the school that she attended, all of them have been deeply, deeply affected by what happened. i think it is shocking. it's shocking. we are talking about 215—year—old

children murdering a 16—year—old child. school children murdering fellow schoolchildren, that is a shocking state of affairs.- fellow schoolchildren, that is a shocking state of affairs. yes, it reall , shocking state of affairs. yes, it really. really — shocking state of affairs. yes, it really, really is. _ shocking state of affairs. yes, it really, really is. and _ shocking state of affairs. yes, it really, really is. and i _ shocking state of affairs. yes, it really, really is. and i think- shocking state of affairs. yes, it really, really is. and i think it'sl really, really is. and i think it's notjust really, really is. and i think it's not just the local really, really is. and i think it's notjust the local community really, really is. and i think it's not just the local community that would be shocked, but also the lgbt due plus community there. —— lgbtq+ brianna ghey was transgender, living as transgender. many people in that community probably shocked and those ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah. ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, i'm sure. ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, l'm sure- i — ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, i'm sure. ithink— ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, i'm sure. i think we _ ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, i'm sure. i think we need _ ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, i'm sure. i think we need to - ripple effects felt elsewhere. yeah, i'm sure. i think we need to stressl i'm sure. i think we need to stress that the police didn't treat this and do not consider this to be a hate crime. they don't think that brianna ghey was targeted because she was transgender but that was clearly a big part of her identity. her mother said that she was somebody who was funny and fearless and identified as a girl and was

happy to go to school in girls clothing. she had a massive following on tiktok, 31,000 followers. she was somebody he was proud of her identity. now, that wasn't why she was targeted by these two but it was clearly part of who she was. but brianna ghey was a complex character, she was also somebody who suffered from anxiety. the bbc�*s file on four has also discovered that she was a self harming, she had issues with an eating disorder as well. indeed, when she got on the bus on that fateful day to meet the two people who would ultimately be her murderers, she texted her mum to say that she was scared because it was something that she wasn't used to doing herself. so, brianna ghey was a complex character, she was somebody he was funny, fearless, you had a large social media following but also suffered from anxiety and was somewhat socially isolated at the same time.— was somewhat socially isolated at the same time. ., ., �* ., , the same time. rowan bridge outside manchester crown _ the same time. rowan bridge outside manchester crown court _ the same time. rowan bridge outside manchester crown court following - manchester crown court following developments for us here on bbc

news. well, the decision to lift the anonymity of the offenders has been controversial but brianna's mother esther believes it was the right decision. ~ . u, decision. when the verdict came throu . h, decision. when the verdict came through. i _ decision. when the verdict came through. i saw— decision. when the verdict came through, i saw how _ decision. when the verdict came through, i saw how devastated l decision. when the verdict came i through, i saw how devastated one decision. when the verdict came - through, i saw how devastated one of the mums was. and it kind of made me feel that that is how i felt when i found out the news about brianna. because it is true that we have all lost our children. i think that if they won't names, it is just delaying the inevitable, they are going to be named when they are 18. if they are named now then that is going to get it out of the way, it will get the attention over with and then hopefully we can focus on something more positive like the campaign.

something more positive like the cam airn. ., something more positive like the camaiun. . .,, something more positive like the cam-cain. ., �* ., ., , , campaign. that was brianna ghey mother esther _ campaign. that was brianna ghey mother esther talking _ campaign. that was brianna ghey mother esther talking to - campaign. that was brianna ghey mother esther talking to bbc- campaign. that was brianna ghey i mother esther talking to bbc news. let me just mother esther talking to bbc news. let mejust remind mother esther talking to bbc news. let me just remind you, you are watching bbc news. we are rolling on the breaking news coming from manchester crown court this afternoon that the two teenagers to be sentenced later for the afternoon that the two teenagers to be sentenced laterfor the murder of brianna ghey who was fatally stabbed in a frenzied attackjust under one year ago have been named. thejudge justice yip has publicly named the pair as scarlettjenkinson and eddie ratcliffe. well, let's get more now from a retired judge and an author and has a long experience of hearings involving teenager prosecutions. ghee thank you very much forjoining us. first of all, let's look at the naming of these two teenagers. is it a good 88 in the child killers? it

is a a good 88 in the child killers? it is a balance, a good 88 in the child killers? it is a balance, isn't a good 88 in the child killers? it is a balance, isn't it, a good 88 in the child killers? it is a balance, isn't it, between a good 88 in the child killers? it is a balance, isn't it, between the right for open justice of all hearings, and at the same time the necessity for courts to protect vulnerable people. vulnerable people can be vulnerable people for all sorts of reasons, including age. it is not 12, evidently, but the law protects children as a presumption, whether they be witnesses or defendants or suspects or whatever it might be, and it goes to issuing photographs. it all goes back, as well, to the protection that is being given to children from legislation from 1939, but is that one of areas of the broad discretion of thejudge. this is one of areas of the broad discretion of the judge. this is a one of areas of the broad discretion of thejudge. this is a high court judge of particular experience and

it is most likely, almost certainly, that he has made the right choice. it then becomes a question of the balance of open justice and reported properly media attention. he balance of open justice and reported properly media attention.— properly media attention. he 'ust mentioned there, i properly media attention. he 'ust mentioned there, i i properly media attention. he 'ust mentioned there, i was i properly media attention. he just mentioned there, i was going - properly media attention. he just mentioned there, i was going to l properly media attention. he just - mentioned there, i was going to say, if you are residing over this case, what would your decision be? i would have thought — what would your decision be? i would have thought having _ what would your decision be? i would have thought having heard _ what would your decision be? i would have thought having heard it - what would your decision be? i would have thought having heard it all- what would your decision be? i would have thought having heard it all i - have thought having heard it all i would have done the same thing. you get a gut feeling for these things that comes with a lot of experience and you just know which side you are going to come down on. you will start off in the interests of the children and their anonymity, at the same time you will go through a mental process, an intellectual process to determine where you

should end up, considering