a 17 year old boy admits killing schoolgirl elianne andam — who he stabbed at a bus stop in south london. diane abbott speaks out about racism in politics, a day after being denied a chance to take part in a commons debate about a tory donor's criticism of her. nhs england says latest figures show the waiting list times for hospital treatment have fallen slightly. and for the first time — there will be two female headliners at this glastonbury. dua lipa and sza will top the bill alongside coldplay. shania twain gets the legends slot.

let me bring you some breaking news on the nhs. the average response time in february for ambulances in england dealing with the most urgent incidents, defined as calls from people with life—threatening illnesses or injuries, was eight minutes and 25 seconds, nhs figures show. this is down very slightly from eight minutes and 26 seconds injanuary, but is above the target standard response time of seven minutes. ambulances took an average of 36 minutes and 20 seconds last month to respond to emergency calls such as heart attacks, strokes and sepsis. this is down from a0 minutes and six seconds injanuary while the target is 18 minutes. response times for urgent calls, such as late stages of labour, non—severe burns and diabetes, averaged two hours, four minutes and 12 seconds in february, down from two hours, 12 minutes and 48 seconds in january.

back to our top story. the communities secretary, michael gove, has told the bbc why the government is introducing a new definitgion for extremism. it is necessary to update it and be more precise and it comes against a backdrop of anti—semitism and anti—muslim hatred on our streets and on social media and we believe this new definition will help the government in choosing our friends wisely when it comes to making sure that we can promote a greater sense of inclusivity and social cohesion let's join my collague chris wharbuton who is standing in for nicky campell — for his five live show. the texts and calls we have had from you this morning and i can say good morning, it is chris warburton in for nikki campbell, it is the nation's phone in on 5 live, and

welcome to our viewers on the bbc news channel as well. we are talking, and we have been talking, with lots of vigorous debate about the updated definition of extremism from the government this morning for groups that the government views as islamist or neo—nazi. but importantly, who are not in fact breaking any laws. and essentially what will happen as a result of this is they will be frozen out of public life. those branded extremists will be denied government grants, for example, they will be denied ministerial meetings, access to the senior civil service, owners and public appointments. it is not new laws, this is something we have been trying to stress throughout the programme this morning, it is not a definition in law of extremism, it is completely non—statutory, so at no point would it give police more powers on the streets, on marches and such like, so effectively you are not bound, you're not a prescribed group which is the legal banning of an organisation. some of

the concern about all of this has been it will bring in other groups, trans rights activist, gender critical organisations, even anti house of lords campaigners have been mentioned who could be caught by this new definition. we have been talking much more broadly about extremism, something that has been discussed, written about and talked about an awful lot in recent weeks and simply asking the question, is it something you're worried about. 10:34am. more calls now. if you want to have your say, the text number 85058. let's have a word with tommy on the wirral and sarah in tonbridge and victoria in london. hello, good morning to you. thank you for being involved in what has been an absolutely fascinating conversation. tommy, what do you want to tell us this morning? are you worried? i’m this morning? are you worried? i'm worried this morning? are you worried? i“n worried by the thrust of this, not by the overall intention might think

it would be good to have a definition of extremism that has a broad consensus. i think at the moment it's purely partisan and as people have pointed out that can change with a change in government quite easily. i think it needs to be much more broad—based. if you have someone likejo cox's husband on this morning speaking quite eloquently about why he has concerns about it, immediately think, why on earth didn't the government and michael gove involve people like him at the outset so there was a much more broad definition and a broader church of thought on this rather than simply as has been said a number of times, playing politics with what is a forthcoming election. i wanted to say, you keep saying this is not going to curtail protest, to my view is that it has a high potential to curtail protests because any reasonable person who has attached themselves to what they

believe to be a reasonable protest about an issue they feel strongly about, will be less likely to attach themselves to it if groups on that protest or groups organising the protest or groups organising the protest have been put on a list that is not prescribed. i think that has the potential to curtail protest. i think that's part of the overall objective as well. people who are protesting about gaza, the vast majority, even if i don't agree with them, the vast majority of them have strong beliefs about what they are protesting for. i don't think they want to be associated with extremists, they don't have extremists, they don't have extremist views, although some people within that may have extremist views. but i think people will be thinking i don't really want to be involved.— will be thinking i don't really want to be involved. associated with that urou - , to be involved. associated with that grow). hear — to be involved. associated with that grow). hear what — to be involved. associated with that group, hear what you're _ to be involved. associated with that group, hear what you're saying. - to be involved. associated with that | group, hear what you're saying. who were saying yes as tommy was there? sarah or victoria? it’s

were saying yes as tommy was there? sarah or victoria?— sarah or victoria? it's victoria. hi, no sarah or victoria? it's victoria. hi. go ahead- _ sarah or victoria? it's victoria. hi, go ahead. i— sarah or victoria? it's victoria. hi, go ahead. i called - sarah or victoria? it's victoria. hi, go ahead. i called earlier. sarah or victoria? it's victoria. | hi, go ahead. i called earlier on and the lovely _ hi, go ahead. i called earlier on and the lovely faith _ hi, go ahead. i called earlier on and the lovely faith adviser- hi, go ahead. i called earlier on and the lovely faith adviser is i and the lovely faith adviser is right, — and the lovely faith adviser is right, it — and the lovely faith adviser is right, it is _ and the lovely faith adviser is right, it is a wonderful thing we should — right, it is a wonderful thing we should have and it will identify extremism before it becomes dangerous. it's a great idea. i was going _ dangerous. it's a great idea. i was going to _ dangerous. it's a great idea. i was going to say— dangerous. it's a great idea. i was going to say the unfailingly impressive brendan cox has out there exactly _ impressive brendan cox has out there exactly as_ impressive brendan cox has out there exactly as it _ impressive brendan cox has out there exactly as it should be, there needs to be _ exactly as it should be, there needs to be processed, it needs to be considered from all sides. what we have now_ considered from all sides. what we have now is — considered from all sides. what we have now is a piece of paper in michael— have now is a piece of paper in michael gove's and the fact that it is not _ michael gove's and the fact that it is not legislation, i know you have emphasised this a couple of times, chris. _ emphasised this a couple of times, chris. that — emphasised this a couple of times, chris, that it doesn't give anybody powers. _ chris, that it doesn't give anybody powers, doesn't allow the police to id powers, doesn't allow the police to go in _ powers, doesn't allow the police to go in and _ powers, doesn't allow the police to go in and disband people.—

go in and disband people. that's riuht. the go in and disband people. that's right. the fact _ go in and disband people. that's right. the fact it _ go in and disband people. that's right. the fact it doesn't - go in and disband people. that's right. the fact it doesn't have i go in and disband people. that's right. the fact it doesn't have a l right. the fact it doesn't have a legislative _ right. the fact it doesn't have a legislative power _ right. the fact it doesn't have a legislative power means - right. the fact it doesn't have a legislative power means it - right. the fact it doesn't have a legislative power means it is i legislative power means it is arbitrarily in the hands of whosoever at a given moment in time. so organisations can be besmirched, can be _ so organisations can be besmirched, can be condemned inadvertently, they can be condemned inadvertently, they can be _ can be condemned inadvertently, they can be put— can be condemned inadvertently, they can be put on the list. so sorry, you shouldn't have been on the list but you _ you shouldn't have been on the list but you have been on the list for a little _ but you have been on the list for a little while — but you have been on the list for a little while now... but you have been on the list for a little while now. . ._ little while now... well, the government... _ little while now. .. well, the government... i— little while now. .. well, the government... i know- little while now... well, the government... i know they l little while now... well, the i government... i know they are talkin: government... i know they are talking about... _ government... i know they are talking about... that's - government... i know they are talking about... that's the - government... i know they are l talking about... that's the point government... i know they are i talking about... that's the point i was auoin talking about... that's the point i was going to _ talking about... that's the point i was going to make. _ talking about... that's the point i was going to make. i _ talking about. .. that's the point i was going to make. i know- talking about... that's the point i j was going to make. i know you're talking about... that's the point i - was going to make. i know you're not sure how they — was going to make. i know you're not sure how they would _ was going to make. i know you're not sure how they would gather - was going to make. i know you're not sure how they would gather the - sure how they would gather the evidence — sure how they would gather the evidence base. this is not the bbc saying _ evidence base. this is not the bbc saying it _ evidence base. this is not the bbc saying it and it's not you saying it, saying it and it's not you saying it. chris. — saying it and it's not you saying it, chris, but one would want that instrument — it, chris, but one would want that instrument to be administered in the hands _ instrument to be administered in the hands of— instrument to be administered in the hands of a _ instrument to be administered in the hands of a person of integrity and i don't _ hands of a person of integrity and i don't think— hands of a person of integrity and i don't think there are enough of those _ don't think there are enough of those in — don't think there are enough of those in the current government. mr those in the current government. my gove those in the current government. gove has those in the current government. iji gove has insisted those in the current government. m gove has insisted groups would only be deemed extremist after in his words, a patient assessment of the evidence and if they showed a consistent pattern of behaviour. so

thatis consistent pattern of behaviour. so that is how he's describing it. i don't believe a word he says! there is a long _ don't believe a word he says! there is a long history behind mr gove suggesting i'm right not to believe a word _ suggesting i'm right not to believe a word he — suggesting i'm right not to believe a word he says. suggesting i'm right not to believe a word he says— suggesting i'm right not to believe a word he says. both you and tommy make the same _ a word he says. both you and tommy make the same point _ a word he says. both you and tommy make the same point that _ a word he says. both you and tommy make the same point that essentiallyj make the same point that essentially if there was cross—party consensus, and it was the point brendan cox made earlier as well, that... i have not made it — made earlier as well, that... i have not made it in _ made earlier as well, that... i have not made it in a _ made earlier as well, that... i have not made it in a very _ made earlier as well, that... i have not made it in a very eloquent - made earlier as well, that... i have j not made it in a very eloquent way. very— not made it in a very eloquent way. very eloquent indeed! ultimately, in conclusion but what you're saying is you would be happy with that definition of extremism but if it was done in a much more collegiate fashion? ~ , , , , , fashion? absolutely, yes. very good summin: fashion? absolutely, yes. very good summing op. _ fashion? absolutely, yes. very good summing op. well— fashion? absolutely, yes. very good summing up, well done. _ fashion? absolutely, yes. very good summing up, well done. that's- fashion? absolutely, yes. very good | summing up, well done. that's partly what i'm summing up, well done. that's partly what l'm here — summing up, well done. that's partly what i'm here for, _ summing up, well done. that's partly what i'm here for, hopefully! - summing up, well done. that's partly what i'm here for, hopefully! sarah . what i'm here for, hopefully! sarah in tonbridge. stay there, victoria, and i think tommy might be with us still. are you in line with tommy and victoria, sarah? i still. are you in line with tommy and victoria, sarah?— still. are you in line with tommy and victoria, sarah? i am indeed and i think it is unbelievably _

and victoria, sarah? i am indeed and i think it is unbelievably unsubtle - i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of— i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of having _ i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of having a _ i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of having a go _ i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of having a go at _ i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of having a go at muslims. . i think it is unbelievably unsubtle way of having a go at muslims. ii way of having a go at muslims. i know— way of having a go at muslims. i know that's _ way of having a go at muslims. i know that's what _ way of having a go at muslims. i know that's what the _ way of having a go at muslims. i know that's what the right - way of having a go at muslims. i know that's what the right are l way of having a go at muslims. i- know that's what the right are going to think _ know that's what the right are going to think they — know that's what the right are going to think. they are _ know that's what the right are going to think. they are going _ know that's what the right are going to think. they are going to - 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to hate us going on these marches, our own— to hate us going on these marches, our own home _ to hate us going on these marches, our own home secretary— to hate us going on these marches, our own home secretary at - to hate us going on these marches, our own home secretary at the - to hate us going on these marches, | our own home secretary at the time called _ our own home secretary at the time called them — our own home secretary at the time called them hate _ our own home secretary at the time called them hate marches _ our own home secretary at the time called them hate marches when - our own home secretary at the time called them hate marches when all. our own home secretary at the time . called them hate marches when all we care about _ called them hate marches when all we care about is _ called them hate marches when all we care about is that _ called them hate marches when all we care about is that we _ called them hate marches when all we care about is that we are _ called them hate marches when all we care about is that we are selling - 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i'd like to just go back to tommy. robinson. our last prime minister are as thick— robinson. our last prime minister are as thick as _ robinson. our last prime minister are as thick as she _ robinson. our last prime minister are as thick as she was, _ robinson. our last prime minister are as thick as she was, she - robinson. our last prime ministerj are as thick as she was, she stood next _ are as thick as she was, she stood next to— are as thick as she was, she stood next to steve _ are as thick as she was, she stood next to steve bannon _ are as thick as she was, she stood next to steve bannon not - are as thick as she was, she stood next to steve bannon not long - are as thick as she was, she stood. next to steve bannon not long ago, about _ next to steve bannon not long ago, about a — next to steve bannon not long ago, about a week— next to steve bannon not long ago, about a week or— next to steve bannon not long ago, about a week or ten _ next to steve bannon not long ago, about a week or ten days _ next to steve bannon not long ago, about a week or ten days ago, - next to steve bannon not long ago, i about a week or ten days ago, where he was _ about a week or ten days ago, where he was praising — about a week or ten days ago, where i he was praising tommy robinson. yes. and she is standing _ he was praising tommy robinson. and she is standing there with a smirk— and she is standing there with a smirk on — and she is standing there with a smirk on her— and she is standing there with a smirk on her face. _ and she is standing there with a smirk on her face. i— and she is standing there with a smirk on her face. i believe - and she is standing there with a i smirk on her face. i believe steve bannon— smirk on her face. i believe steve bannon is— smirk on her face. i believe steve bannon is a — smirk on her face. i believe steve bannon is a very— smirk on her face. i believe steve bannon is a very dangerous - smirk on her face. i believe steve bannon is a very dangerous man. | smirk on her face. i believe steve - bannon is a very dangerous man. but you know. _ bannon is a very dangerous man. but you know. i_ bannon is a very dangerous man. but you know. i notice _ bannon is a very dangerous man. but you know, i notice no _ bannon is a very dangerous man. but you know, i notice no one _ bannon is a very dangerous man. but you know, i notice no one mentionedj you know, i notice no one mentioned i’ilht you know, i notice no one mentioned right from _ you know, i notice no one mentioned right from the — you know, i notice no one mentioned right from the beginning, _ you know, i notice no one mentioned right from the beginning, i— you know, i notice no one mentioned right from the beginning, i don't - right from the beginning, i don't know— right from the beginning, i don't know if— right from the beginning, i don't know if they— right from the beginning, i don't know if they are _ right from the beginning, i don't know if they are scared, - right from the beginning, i don't know if they are scared, what i right from the beginning, i don't i know if they are scared, what about very far _ know if they are scared, what about very far right—wing _ know if they are scared, what about very far right—wing zionists - know if they are scared, what about very far right—wing zionists who - very far right—wing zionists who will have — very far right—wing zionists who will have a _ very far right—wing zionists who will have a voice _ very far right—wing zionists who will have a voice here _ very far right—wing zionists who will have a voice here as - very far right—wing zionists who will have a voice here as well? i very far right—wing zionists who - will have a voice here as well? why are we _ will have a voice here as well? why

are we allowed _ will have a voice here as well? why are we allowed to _ will have a voice here as well? why are we allowed to just _ will have a voice here as well? why are we allowed to just say- will have a voice here as well? why are we allowed to just say the - will have a voice here as well? why are we allowed to just say the far i are we allowed to just say the far right? _ are we allowed to just say the far right? they— are we allowed to just say the far right? they are _ are we allowed to just say the far right? they are the _ are we allowed to just say the far right? they are the far— are we allowed to just say the far right? they are the far right, - are we allowed to just say the far| right? they are the far right, too. and i'm _ right? they are the far right, too. and i'm just— right? they are the far right, too. and i'm just sick— right? they are the far right, too. and i'm just sick of— right? they are the far right, too. and i'm just sick of being - and i'm just sick of being portrayed, _ and i'm just sick of being portrayed, if— and i'm just sick of being portrayed, if you - and i'm just sick of being portrayed, if you dare - and i'm just sick of being | portrayed, if you dare say and i'm just sick of being _ portrayed, if you dare say anything, most _ portrayed, if you dare say anything, most of— portrayed, if you dare say anything, most of us — portrayed, if you dare say anything, most of us have _ portrayed, if you dare say anything, most of us have got _ portrayed, if you dare say anything, most of us have got tonnes - portrayed, if you dare say anything, most of us have got tonnes of - portrayed, if you dare say anything, | most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends _ most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but _ most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but they— most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but they are _ most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but they are on _ most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but they are on my— most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but they are on my side. - most of us have got tonnes ofjewish friends but they are on my side. 0k,| friends but they are on my side. ok, i want to friends but they are on my side. ok, i want to try — friends but they are on my side. ok, i want to try and _ friends but they are on my side. i want to try and bring in some other calls but i appreciated, thanks for talking us. the kind of drip approach is how sarah might describe this, as i have been at pains to point out, the government at pains to point out, michael gove's actual words around demonstrations this morning were that this is not intended to prevent people demonstrating per se. sarah obviously not convinced by that, tommy on the wirral not convinced by that. osman in rochdale, helen in bristol and george in cambridge, good morning to all of you and thank you for getting in contact. usman, what do you want to say to us? thank

ou for the what do you want to say to us? thank you for the opportunity _ what do you want to say to us? thank you for the opportunity this _ you for the opportunity this morning. i'm struggling to see the point of all of this really in terms of this new definition if it is not going to be in statute, it is almost like itjust seems to be electioneering through a certain part of the constituency. the definition that the government could do with publishing is a definition of islamophobia which they have refused to do and refused to accept. the fact that this morning on a different radio station michael gove not even able to confirm whether the tory donor himself had been displaying extremism in what he said about diane abbott i think really sums up the fact that it is potently obvious that this is being done for party political reasons. they will say, if you let me interject, say, if you let me inter'ect, there has or has — say, if you let me inter'ect, there has or has been h say, if you let me inter'ect, there has or has been in _ say, if you let me interject, there has or has been in recent - say, if you let me interject, there has or has been in recent times l say, if you let me interject, there has or has been in recent times aj has or has been in recent times a definition of extremism, it hasn't been updated in nine years and that's what they are doing and there

is a purpose to it because if you are on that list then you are being dealt with ultimately as a harmful group as far as they see it, not necessarily involved in illegal activity. but if you are on that list you will essentially be frozen out of public life. as i have said, you will be denied government grants, ministerial meetings, access to the senior civil service, honours, public appointments. fora lot of people on that list they honours, public appointments. for a lot of people on that list they will not have many places to go in public life. , , ., , ., not have many places to go in public life. , ,., ., not have many places to go in public life. , ., .,, life. this is also about individuals as well as groups. _ life. this is also about individuals as well as groups. that _ life. this is also about individuals as well as groups. that individual donor who has given money to the conservative party will retain access as was confirmed by one of the ministers yesterday because he has apologised. and yet by the same token as a alley from the labour party in the rochdale by—election was called out for his extreme views and was dropped by the party —— azhar ali. we need to look across the board here. despite his apology

his views were still seen as extreme and called out. it his views were still seen as extreme and called out-— and called out. it would have to be more than — and called out. it would have to be more than something _ and called out. it would have to be more than something that - and called out. it would have to be i more than something that happened once or twice. mr gove has also said that a group would only be deemed extremist after what they described as a patient assessment of the evidence, i've said that already, but if they showed a consistent pattern of behaviour. i don't know, none of us quite know what consistent pattern of behaviour would mean, for how long you would have to be showing their behaviour for. ., ,, ., ., ,, have to be showing their behaviour for. ., ,, ., ., ., ,, ., for. that speaks to the vagueness of what we have _ for. that speaks to the vagueness of what we have here. _ for. that speaks to the vagueness of what we have here. if _ for. that speaks to the vagueness of what we have here. if the _ for. that speaks to the vagueness of i what we have here. if the government did put their money where their mouth is and identify when they put out the statement this morning around the new definition the actual groups or individuals they were looking to bring under this umbrella it probably would have given it more weight. but the fact they have not been able to do that and they may use parliamentary privilege, mr gove may use parliamentary privilege later to mention those people. but the fact it hasn't been done at the

point of making the announcement i think ijust speaks point of making the announcement i think i just speaks volumes to the insincerity behind this piece. there has been for the last decade or longerfor has been for the last decade or longer for definition and violent extremism but i feel like moving to extremism but i feel like moving to extremism feels like we are moving into different territory where free speech will be curtailed, where demonstrations will be curtailed by the women of a politician. that demonstrations will be curtailed by the women of a politician.- the women of a politician. that is the women of a politician. that is the concern _ the women of a politician. that is the concern around _ the women of a politician. that is the concern around free - the women of a politician. that is the concern around free speech l the women of a politician. that is i the concern around free speech from some, certainly. if you are listening on 5 live or watching on the news channel and want to get involved in the conversation up until 11 o'clock, the text number is 85058. stay there, usman. let's bring in helen in bristol. what do you make of this? do you have any of the same fears around freedom of speech, helen? where are you coming from on this one? i am speech, helen? where are you coming from on this one?— from on this one? i am a lot more concerned — from on this one? i am a lot more concerned about _ from on this one? i am a lot more concerned about the _ from on this one? i am a lot more concerned about the far _ from on this one? i am a lot more concerned about the far right - concerned about the far right extremists. i know that other people

have mentioned it in the most recent calls, _ have mentioned it in the most recent calls, but— have mentioned it in the most recent calls, but about that. it seems very anti-muslim — calls, but about that. it seems very anti—muslim and i think that is really— anti—muslim and i think that is really narrow in terms of the issue of extremism. i think we need to be focusing _ of extremism. i think we need to be focusing more on that. there is racism — focusing more on that. there is racism that— focusing more on that. there is racism that is really publicly discussed by the far right and political— discussed by the far right and political parties that are emerging on a kind — political parties that are emerging on a kind of racist platform. ijust think— on a kind of racist platform. ijust think that — on a kind of racist platform. ijust think that is — on a kind of racist platform. ijust think that is a much bigger concern and i_ think that is a much bigger concern and i would — think that is a much bigger concern and i would be interested to know whether— and i would be interested to know whether their definitions or their political— whether their definitions or their political approaches would actually be defined as being extremist under it. if be defined as being extremist under it if you _ be defined as being extremist under it. if you look globally there is lots of— it. if you look globally there is lots of the far right that seems to be corroding women's reproductive rights, _ be corroding women's reproductive rights, around abortion in america and things. — rights, around abortion in america and things, there is lots of anti—lgbt anti—trans stuff that feels _ anti—lgbt anti—trans stuff that feels very— anti—lgbt anti—trans stuff that feels very kind of central at the minute — feels very kind of central at the minute but feels very extremist as well and _ minute but feels very extremist as well and i— minute but feels very extremist as well and i don't know what is going to be _ well and i don't know what is going to be in— well and i don't know what is going

to be in scope and what isn't and at the minute — to be in scope and what isn't and at the minute it feels like a response to what— the minute it feels like a response to what is— the minute it feels like a response to what is happening in gaza which 'ust to what is happening in gaza which just feels— to what is happening in gaza which just feels very, very anti—muslim and not — just feels very, very anti—muslim and not nuanced or appropriate. asl and not nuanced or appropriate. as i have said and not nuanced or appropriate. " i have said through this discussion, they are concerned voices from all sorts of directions on this. we have heard the concern from various muslim groups and lots of muslim listeners as well and viewers. but there are some concerned that it might restrict what you might describe, you are talking about abortion, the freedom to have abortion, the freedom to have abortion, but on the other side there is concerns from what you might regard as socially conservative groups that it might restrict their freedom is to oppose abortion and oppose same—sex marriage. so this could pick up all sorts of different groups under the same net whether you agree with them or not. ~ , , ., , same net whether you agree with them ornot. , ~ or not. absolutely. and i don't think it is _ or not. absolutely. and i don't think it is clear. _ or not. absolutely. and i don't think it is clear. i _ or not. absolutely. and i don't think it is clear. ithink- or not. absolutely. and i don't think it is clear. i think the - or not. absolutely. and i don't| think it is clear. i think the last person— think it is clear. i think the last person was—

think it is clear. i think the last person was right when they said it is too _ person was right when they said it is too woolly, it is not clear enough _ is too woolly, it is not clear enough about what exactly they are trying _ enough about what exactly they are trying to _ enough about what exactly they are trying to address. but at the minute the push _ trying to address. but at the minute the push seems to be very anti—muslim which is concerning. gk, anti-muslim which is concerning. 0k, thank ou. anti—muslim which is concerning. (iii, thank you. good anti—muslim which is concerning. oil, thank you. good to speak anti—muslim which is concerning. oi, thank you. good to speak to you. samantha is with us. george in cambridge. peter in haddenham. good morning to all of you. samantha, i know it is not your real name, you are in the home counties, what you want to say? i are in the home counties, what you want to say?— want to say? i think the idea that somebody is _ want to say? i think the idea that somebody is identified _ want to say? i think the idea that somebody is identified by - want to say? i think the idea that somebody is identified by what i somebody is identified by what somebody is identified by what somebody else's work colleague might say, so you turn around and get accused of being a right wing racist and you are not, that could be somebody who is an extremist on the opposite side, and i'm not talking about people's religion, i'm talking about people's religion, i'm talking about people's religion, i'm talking about people who just don't want to stop immigration or people who want to polygamy, or people who believe that there should be they religious

theocracy. those people. they can be from many different faiths. but our worries about those extremists are those who then fund guns and fund guns through violence and crime. really i think the whole view of terrorism and extremism should just be redirected towards crime again. the person in the office who is working say in your local council who then thinks, oh, you know, you could be a potential terrorist, how would they know? and the other thing is somebody who is an extremist who wants to disguise their criminal activity of gun running or bringing in human trafficking, they will accuse somebody in a good job who is the gatekeeper, they will accuse them of being right wing in order to get them sacked and never in a job again to stop the behaviour. that concept of right wingers is

sometimes a bit dismissive because sometimes a bit dismissive because sometimes right—wingers are sometimes right—wingers are sometimes people who just want law—abiding. you sometimes people who 'ust want law-abidinafi sometimes people who 'ust want law-abiding. you could be talking about right-wingers, _ law-abiding. you could be talking about right-wingers, you - law-abiding. you could be talking about right-wingers, you could i law-abiding. you could be talking| about right-wingers, you could be about right—wingers, you could be talking about left—wingers, in this case you are talking about people on the extreme right, the government would be talking about neo—nazis which is a whole different ball game. which is a whole different ball came. l, l l, which is a whole different ball came. l, ll, m which is a whole different ball came. l, , game. how could you identify them in our “ob? game. how could you identify them in yourj'ob? well, _ game. how could you identify them in yourjob? well, that's _ game. how could you identify them in yourjob? well, that's to _ game. how could you identify them in yourjob? well, that's to be _ yourjob? well, that's to be determined, _ yourjob? well, that's to be determined, isn't _ yourjob? well, that's to be determined, isn't it? - yourjob? well, that's to be determined, isn't it? it's. yourjob? well, that's to be determined, isn't it? it's a l yourjob? well, that's to be - determined, isn't it? it's a month, thank you. let's bring in sara in north—west london. i can have a way of with george in cambridge as well who has been holding on. thank you, much appreciated, and welcome to the programme. george, what did you want to say and maybe have a word with sara on this one and tell us your thoughts, particularly on the definition of extremism from michael gove this morning. i definition of extremism from michael gove this morning.— gove this morning. i come from a lace gove this morning. i come from a place where _ gove this morning. i come from a place where not _ gove this morning. i come from a place where not that _ gove this morning. i come from a place where not that long - gove this morning. i come from a place where not that long ago, i gove this morning. i come from a. place where not that long ago, and it's in the uk, if i had walked up the wrong street i would have got killed. it's not that long ago. they rose by any other means will smell

as sweet will was said by william shakespeare. i smell from this a sweet almost stench coming that although people are not being prescribed as breaking the law, they are being looked at, they are going to be brought down upon. in northern ireland, obviously were speaking about, when that happened it brought to rise the ira and by force of arms they brought about a change in northern ireland where the first minister of northern ireland is now sinn fein. what i'm trying to say is, i guess, sinn fein. what i'm trying to say is, iguess, is sinn fein. what i'm trying to say is, i guess, is the more you clamp down on people, if they are not being violent, the more they will look at other places where violence has succeeded and then they will

possibly become violent to achieve their end. and it will backfire. irate their end. and it will backfire. we have been trying to be as clear as we can be this morning, this is meant to be targeting, as they describe it, harmful but legal activity. i describe it, harmful but legal activi . ~ l, ~' l, describe it, harmful but legal activity-_ m i describe it, harmful but legal i activity._ i'm just activity. i know, i know. i'm 'ust expwrnrngfi activity. i know, i know. i'm 'ust explaining to i activity. i know, i know. i'm 'ust explaining to otheri activity. i know, i know. i'm 'ust explaining to other viewers. i activity. i know, i know. i'mjustj explaining to other viewers. 0k, activity. i know, i know. i'mjust- explaining to other viewers. ok, but one second. — explaining to other viewers. ok, but one second, what _ explaining to other viewers. ok, but one second, what i _ explaining to other viewers. ok, but one second, what i was _ explaining to other viewers. ok, but one second, what i was saying i explaining to other viewers. ok, but one second, what i was saying is i explaining to other viewers. 0k, butj one second, what i was saying is the rise in the levels of the ira came about from the brutal crackdown on the peace programme that was put in place in northern ireland, especially around londonderry where the bloody sunday... especially around londonderry where the bloody sunday. . ._ the bloody sunday... understood. that was originally _ the bloody sunday... understood. that was originally a _ the bloody sunday... understood. that was originally a peaceful i that was originally a peaceful protest and it brought about a huge rise in peoplejoining the ira that then brought about what we call the troubles and many people dying. star; troubles and many people dying. stay there, george. you are busily concerned about this. sara, your broadly supportive of what the government are doing here, i understand. i government are doing here, i understand.—

government are doing here, i understand. , ,, , ., understand. iam. ithink it is what georae is understand. iam. ithink it is what george is saying — understand. i am. i think it is what george is saying which _ understand. i am. i think it is what george is saying which is - understand. i am. i think it is what george is saying which is pieces i george is saying which is pieces achieved — george is saying which is pieces achieved more by bringing opposing factions— achieved more by bringing opposing factions to — achieved more by bringing opposing factions to the table —— peace is achieved — factions to the table —— peace is achieved. encouraging debate, encouraging bringing people to the table to— encouraging bringing people to the table to talk about peace, to talk about _ table to talk about peace, to talk about compromise and find solutions, then i_ about compromise and find solutions, then i agree _ about compromise and find solutions, then i agree with him totally. and i think— then i agree with him totally. and i think what— then i agree with him totally. and i think what we have seen with the pro—palestinian marches is a complete _ pro—palestinian marches is a complete absence of voices calling for peace — complete absence of voices calling for peace on both sides. so they are calling _ for peace on both sides. so they are calling for— for peace on both sides. so they are calling for a — for peace on both sides. so they are calling for a ceasefire on the part of israel— calling for a ceasefire on the part of israel but not calling for hamas to stop _ of israel but not calling for hamas to stop firing rockets. they are not calling _ to stop firing rockets. they are not calling for— to stop firing rockets. they are not calling for hamas and their associates to release hostages. they are not— associates to release hostages. they are not calling for hamas to protect their own _ are not calling for hamas to protect their own people.— are not calling for hamas to protect their own people. what has that got to do with your—

their own people. what has that got to do with your support _ their own people. what has that got to do with your support of _ their own people. what has that got to do with your support of this i to do with your support of this definition of extremism today? 50, i definition of extremism today? so, i ho -e that definition of extremism today? so, i hope that this _ definition of extremism today? so, i hope that this new _ definition of extremism today? so, i hope that this new definition will tackle _ hope that this new definition will tackle the daily, very vociferous calls, _ tackle the daily, very vociferous calls, and — tackle the daily, very vociferous calls, and weekly calls on the marches— calls, and weekly calls on the marches for the destruction of israel— marches for the destruction of israel which is what the phrase from the river— israel which is what the phrase from the river to — israel which is what the phrase from the river to the sea means. we're highly— the river to the sea means. we're highly contentious. what that means is a return— highly contentious. what that means is a return to 1948, returned to palestine — is a return to 1948, returned to palestine and obliterate israel. sara, _ palestine and obliterate israel. sara, thank you.— palestine and obliterate israel. sara, thank you. that is extremist and violence _ sara, thank you. that is extremist and violence and _ sara, thank you. that is extremist and violence and i _ sara, thank you. that is extremist and violence and i hope _ sara, thank you. that is extremist and violence and i hope the i sara, thank you. that is extremist and violence and i hope the new. and violence and i hope the new proposals — and violence and i hope the new proposals catch that kind of violence. ok. and violent rhetoric which _ violence. ok. and violent rhetoric which is _ violence. ok. and violent rhetoric which is whyjews are so scared. jews— which is whyjews are so scared. jews are — which is whyjews are so scared. jews are not feeble scaredy cats. there _ jews are not feeble scaredy cats. there is — jews are not feeble scaredy cats. there is all — jews are not feeble scaredy cats. there is all this talk about jews

are uncomfortable. it is not that we are uncomfortable. it is not that we are uncomfortable, it is that we recognise — are uncomfortable, it is that we recognise that many people on these marches— recognise that many people on these marches are calling for the destruction of israel, and by extension the destruction of the jewish— extension the destruction of the jewish people. extension the destruction of the jewish people-— extension the destruction of the jewish --eole. , .,, n jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we _ jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear— jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear it _ jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear it a _ jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear it a lot _ jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear it a lot on i jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear it a lot on 5 i jewish people. there will be, as you know, and we hear it a lot on 5 live | know, and we hear it a lot on 5 live where we talk about it, lots of people on those marches that say it is a really small minority of people who will say those kind of things. sara, thank you and thank you to george as well. we can end for the final two minutes of the programme with tina who is in west sussex. hi, tina. good morning. what have you made of this? we've been talking about this on 5 live for the last couple of hours. what have you made of the conversation? goad couple of hours. what have you made of the conversation?— of the conversation? good morning, chris, we of the conversation? good morning, chris. we getting — of the conversation? good morning, chris, we getting ourselves - of the conversation? good morning, chris, we getting ourselves on i of the conversation? good morning, chris, we getting ourselves on a i chris, we getting ourselves on a right pickle, aren't we? ilat chris, we getting ourselves on a right pickle, aren't we?- right pickle, aren't we? not for first time! _ first time! laughter i'm getting fed up of hearing it is all pro this and anti that. i'm

pro—humanity and 30,000 people losing their lives is something that really can't be tolerated. and neither can the acts that happened on october seven which, bear in mind, things that have happened in this country and america that started this particular round off. and being pro—humanity and being pro—women, children and men who are not terrorists being killed and going out on these marches is not a hatred of another people, it is a pro—humanitarian and pro—humanity outpouring of heart brokenness to see our country and other countries not doing enough to get it to stop. and because they are not trying to

stop it, more, hundreds of thousands of people will come out every weekend. of people will come out every weekend-— of people will come out every weekend. l, ., ,, , l, of people will come out every weekend. , , ~' , l, m weekend. 0k, tina, thank you. and it is not extremist. _ weekend. ok, tina, thank you. and it is not extremist. thank— weekend. 0k, tina, thank you. and it is not extremist. thank you _ weekend. 0k, tina, thank you. and it is not extremist. thank you for i weekend. 0k, tina, thank you. and it is not extremist. thank you for the i is not extremist. thank you for the final thought _ is not extremist. thank you for the final thought on _ is not extremist. thank you for the final thought on that _ is not extremist. thank you for the final thought on that committee i is not extremist. thank you for the l final thought on that committee and in west sussex. thank you for all of the calls we have had this morning. it's been an absolutely fascinating listen, it really has. we are going to say goodbye to our viewers on bbc news. thank you for being with us. you can keep listening to 5 live. live from london. this is bbc news. the uk government sets out a new definition of extremism, to tackle what it says is an increased threat from some groups.

the government will outline their plans in the house of commons, we will be there live. i'm anna foster injerusalem. israel says it wants to move displaced palestinians in gaza to what it's calling "humanitarian islands" in the middle of the strip. also — a ship towing aid to gaza is due to reach shore in the coming hours. tiktok warns a us ban would cost american businesses billions of dollars and thousands ofjobs. for the first time — there will be two female headliners at glastonbury. dua lipa and sza will top the bill this year, alongside coldplay. hello i'm azadeh moshiri. here, the government has set out a new definition of extremism.

it's part of its promise to tackle what is says is an increased