and are saying that this is madness. and there is also the practicality of it. basically under the crackdown, to call it that, people born after 2009 will never legally be able to buy tobacco. former prime minister liz truss said it is profoundly unconservative, and example of the nanny state in action, the libertarian against the authoritarian, but it does bring such damage on health, it costs so much to the national health service and it is a primary cause of cancer and it is a primary cause of cancer and death as well. borisjohnson has said it is absolutely nuts, it is mad, the party of winston churchill is banning cigars, he says. you are having your say, that is what this is all about, give us a call. and we welcome tracy in devon, jason in glasgow, ian in chippenham and

graham in clacton. good morning all. graham, let's get through this, see what you think. what do you think about? ~ ., , ., about? well, to me, nikki, it is a nonsense- _ about? well, to me, nikki, it is a nonsense. nobody, _ about? well, to me, nikki, it is a nonsense. nobody, i— about? well, to me, nikki, it is a nonsense. nobody, i am- about? well, to me, nikki, it is a nonsense. nobody, i am a - about? well, to me, nikki, it is a l nonsense. nobody, i am a smoker, about? well, to me, nikki, it is a . nonsense. nobody, i am a smoker, i have tried to give up quite a lot of times, and the fact is, nobody is addicted to smoking. everybody that smokes is addicted to nicotine within the tobacco. so, what has happened over the last few years, and everybody knows, they've introduced vapes to enable smokers to give up or try to give up smoking. more children are now using vapes than they ever would have done cigarettes. so, what they are trying to do, ban cigarettes because they're trying to stop children being addicted. actually, they've introduced the exact thing that the kids are going to get addicted to, onto the market, which is running rife. �* , ., ., ., , .

rife. but they are going to restrict that. the legislation _ rife. but they are going to restrict that. the legislation will- rife. but they are going to restrict that. the legislation will address | that. the legislation will address that. the legislation will address that. and the chief medical officer chris whitty has said that it is a low bar, he says, it is less harmful than tobacco, but he says tobacco is so harmful, it is a low bar but it is a good full mechanism to stop smoking but they want to stop kids starting it. but you're an addict, right? i starting it. but you're an addict, riuht? . starting it. but you're an addict, ri. ht? ., ., . starting it. but you're an addict, riht? . . . ., starting it. but you're an addict, riuht? . . . ., right? i am addicted to nicotine. that is it, _ right? i am addicted to nicotine. that is it, not — right? i am addicted to nicotine. that is it, not smoking. - right? i am addicted to nicotine. that is it, not smoking. i- right? i am addicted to nicotine. that is it, not smoking. i am - that is it, not smoking. i am addicted to nicotine. the smoking bit isjust parfor the addicted to nicotine. the smoking bit is just par for the course. what i am after is the nicotine within the tobacco, that is what i need. to be honest with you in never bothers me not to smoke. if i don't have a cigarette it doesn't bother me. but what bothers me is if i can't get the nicotine, that is the difficult bit. ., the nicotine, that is the difficult bit. . , , ., ., ., bit. ian in chippenham, what do you sa ? until bit. ian in chippenham, what do you say? until somebody _

bit. ian in chippenham, what do you say? until somebody invents... - bit. ian in chippenham, what do you | say? until somebody invents... they should ban smoking _ say? until somebody invents... they should ban smoking completely, - say? until somebody invents... they should ban smoking completely, and the reason _ should ban smoking completely, and the reason why i say that is because my dad. _ the reason why i say that is because my dad. he — the reason why i say that is because my dad, he sadly died a couple of years— my dad, he sadly died a couple of years ago. — my dad, he sadly died a couple of years ago, he joined the navy and he was given— years ago, he joined the navy and he was given 300 cigarettes per month, which _ was given 300 cigarettes per month, which got _ was given 300 cigarettes per month, which got him hooked, addicted to smoking, — which got him hooked, addicted to smoking, nicotine, whatever you want to call_ smoking, nicotine, whatever you want to call it. _ smoking, nicotine, whatever you want to call it. but — smoking, nicotine, whatever you want to call it, but he was addicted to smoking — to call it, but he was addicted to smoking and i had to provide him with palliative care the last four weeks — with palliative care the last four weeks of — with palliative care the last four weeks of his life, and his last word that he _ weeks of his life, and his last word that he ever— weeks of his life, and his last word that he ever said to me, ever said on this— that he ever said to me, ever said on this earth _ that he ever said to me, ever said on this earth was, ian, i can't breathe _ on this earth was, ian, i can't breathe-— on this earth was, ian, i can't breathe.- but - on this earth was, ian, i can't breathe.- but it's - on this earth was, ian, i can't - breathe.- but it's addicted breathe. blimey. but it's addicted to nicotine- _ breathe. blimey. but it's addicted to nicotine. yes, _ breathe. blimey. but it's addicted to nicotine. yes, but _ breathe. blimey. but it's addicted to nicotine. yes, but if— breathe. blimey. but it's addicted to nicotine. yes, but if you - breathe. blimey. but it's addicted to nicotine. yes, but if you are . to nicotine. yes, but if you are auoin to to nicotine. yes, but if you are going to get — to nicotine. yes, but if you are going to get people _ to nicotine. yes, but if you are going to get people addicted l to nicotine. yes, but if you are| going to get people addicted to to nicotine. yes, but if you are - going to get people addicted to it, -et going to get people addicted to it, get them — going to get people addicted to it, get them off of it, and the way that you are _ get them off of it, and the way that you are taking in that nicotine is through— you are taking in that nicotine is through tobacco, that is going to cause _ through tobacco, that is going to cause you — through tobacco, that is going to cause you cancer, if you think, it won't _ cause you cancer, if you think, it won't happen to me... we are talking about— won't happen to me... we are talking about smoking. if you've got

somebody who you absolutely careful, love, somebody who you absolutely careful, iove, dyihg _ somebody who you absolutely careful, love, dying in front of you as a result— love, dying in front of you as a result of— love, dying in front of you as a result of being force—fed cigarettes when _ result of being force—fed cigarettes when he _ result of being force—fed cigarettes when he was 16 when he joined the navy. _ when he was 16 when he joined the navy. that — when he was 16 when he joined the navy, that got him hooked, then we need to— navy, that got him hooked, then we need to be _ navy, that got him hooked, then we need to be thinking about how to stop that — need to be thinking about how to stop that from happening. and need to be thinking about how to stop that from happening. and how to sto- stop that from happening. and how to sto ouna stop that from happening. and how to step young peeple _ stop that from happening. and how to stop young people getting _ stop that from happening. and how to stop young people getting addicted, l stop young people getting addicted, thatis stop young people getting addicted, that is the impetus behind this. tracey in devon, jason in glasgow, good morning all, get in touch. i will try to come to some of your texts and get in touch on the phones as well. we are flying on this one, i tell you. there are lots of levels to this. jason, what you think of this proposed curtailment? absolutely a nanny state. scotland has already tried this sugar tax on our national drink which is has basically come bush it, so what they do is, they bring out a similar thing on the sugar and charge you double the price. i enjoy my cigarette, i am double the price. i enjoy my cigarette, iam not double the price. i enjoy my cigarette, i am not addicted to have

20... i like my cigarette, ten cigarettes a day, i enjoy one in the morning, i enjoy one after my meal. but to actually say, to ban... which it won't be for 15 euros, when you're banning cigarettes, when you're banning cigarettes, when you're looking at churchill and you're looking at churchill and you're looking at other things, it is a nanny... you will never be able to impose that law because at the end of the day, people will get cigarettes, even though the law will be banning them. i am 52 years old and i remember kids, youngsters, we all tried a cigarette at 13, 1a, i wouldn't want anybody to smoke, ok? but while the government is going on with this, and moving on to the vapes, but the vapes, i have never seen so many kids actually addicted to vapes, and i have to say that the government haven't told anybody, by the way, the vapes are safe. they

did not have a clue on how vapes are safe or how they are going to affect you in the long term. you safe or how they are going to affect you in the long term.— safe or how they are going to affect you in the long term. you think this is authoritarian? _ you in the long term. you think this is authoritarian? yes. _ you in the long term. you think this is authoritarian? yes. -ist - you in the long term. you think this is authoritarian? yes. -ist is - you in the long term. you think this is authoritarian? yes. -ist isjust i is authoritarian? yes. -ist is 'ust another want fl is authoritarian? yes. -ist is 'ust another want to i is authoritarian? yes. -ist is 'ust another want to get i is authoritarian? yes. -ist is 'ust another want to get votes. h is authoritarian? yes. -ist isjust i another want to get votes. because at the end of the day, the principle is, how much tax you need to ask one of these mps how much tax is made from cigarettes over a year. the whole shebang. because at the end of the day it must be about 90% of tax that actually goes on to cigarettes. i don't smoke... i smoke a cigarette... i don't smoke... i smoke a cigarette- - -_ i don't smoke... i smoke a ciuarette... ., , ., cigarette... ten point for billion ounds, cigarette... ten point for billion pounds. england _ cigarette... ten point for billion pounds, england specifically. i cigarette... ten point for billion i pounds, england specifically. nine billions, in lost productivity. timer;r billions, in lost productivity. they can't even — billions, in lost productivity. they can't even look _ billions, in lost productivity. they can't even look after _ billions, in lost productivity. tie: can't even look after defending... but there is a net deficit of 30 billion. �* . , ., billion. but the deficit is, if that was the case. — billion. but the deficit is, if that was the case, in _ billion. but the deficit is, if that was the case, in scotland, -

billion. but the deficit is, if that i was the case, in scotland, banning sugarin was the case, in scotland, banning sugar in drinks and charging a sugar tax or the alcohol has now got a levy because of the sugar that is in it. i'm sorry to say, but when you look at the obese people, i don't go in the queue and say, by the way, you see these sweets and all that you're eating, why are you eating back? , ., ., , ., back? they are not designed to get --eole back? they are not designed to get peeple addicted. — back? they are not designed to get people addicted, are _ back? they are not designed to get people addicted, are they? - back? they are not designed to get people addicted, are they? this - back? they are not designed to get people addicted, are they? this is. back? they are not designed to get| people addicted, are they? this is a far more complex problem. trio. people addicted, are they? this is a far more complex problem.- far more complex problem. no, but the will far more complex problem. no, but they will end _ far more complex problem. no, but they will end on _ far more complex problem. no, but they will end up in _ far more complex problem. no, but they will end up in the _ they will end up in the hospital because they're going to have diabetes. ., . , because they're going to have diabetes. . _ ., ., because they're going to have diabetes._ thank because they're going to have - diabetes._ thank you. diabetes. tracy, go on. thank you. just to come _ diabetes. tracy, go on. thank you. just to come in _ diabetes. tracy, go on. thank you. just to come in there, _ diabetes. tracy, go on. thank you. just to come in there, smoking - diabetes. tracy, go on. thank you. l just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs _ just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs huge. — just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs huge. we _ just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs huge, we are _ just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs huge, we are on— just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs huge, we are on our- just to come in there, smoking costs the nhs huge, we are on our knees. the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the _ the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs— the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs and — the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs and a _ the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs and a lot _ the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs and a lot of— the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs and a lot of that - the nhs huge, we are on our knees with the nhs and a lot of that is - with the nhs and a lot of that is smoking — with the nhs and a lot of that is smoking i_ with the nhs and a lot of that is smoking. i died, _ with the nhs and a lot of that is smoking. i died, who— with the nhs and a lot of that is smoking. i died, who is- with the nhs and a lot of that is smoking. i died, who is 87 - with the nhs and a lot of that is| smoking. i died, who is 87 years old, _ smoking. i died, who is 87 years old. he — smoking. i died, who is 87 years old. he has _ smoking. i died, who is 87 years old. he has got _ smoking. i died, who is 87 years old, he has got copd _ smoking. i died, who is 87 years old, he has got copd because i smoking. i died, who is 87 yearsj old, he has got copd because of smoking — old, he has got copd because of smoking he _ old, he has got copd because of smoking, he has— old, he has got copd because of smoking, he has constant- old, he has got copd because of smoking, he has constant trips i old, he has got copd because ofl smoking, he has constant trips to hospital. — smoking, he has constant trips to hospital. he— smoking, he has constant trips to hospital. he is— smoking, he has constant trips to hospital, he is admitted - smoking, he has constant trips to hospital, he is admitted with - smoking, he has constant trips toi hospital, he is admitted with chest infections, — hospital, he is admitted with chest infections, we _ hospital, he is admitted with chest infections, we would _ hospital, he is admitted with chest infections, we would have - hospital, he is admitted with chest infections, we would have 999- hospital, he is admitted with chestl infections, we would have 999 with the ambulance _ infections, we would have 999 with the ambulance every _ infections, we would have 999 with the ambulance every time, - infections, we would have 999 with the ambulance every time, he - infections, we would have 999 with the ambulance every time, he hasl the ambulance every time, he has lots of—

the ambulance every time, he has lots of medication. _ the ambulance every time, he has lots of medication. he _ the ambulance every time, he has lots of medication. he is - the ambulance every time, he has lots of medication. he is a - the ambulance every time, he has lots of medication. he is a burdeni lots of medication. he is a burden on the _ lots of medication. he is a burden on the nhs~ — lots of medication. he is a burden on the nhs~ i_ lots of medication. he is a burden on the nhs. i lost— lots of medication. he is a burden on the nhs. i lost my— lots of medication. he is a burden on the nhs. i lost my mum - lots of medication. he is a burden on the nhs. i lost my mum to - lots of medication. he is a burden. on the nhs. i lost my mum to copd and heart _ on the nhs. i lost my mum to copd and heart disease _ on the nhs. i lost my mum to copd and heart disease very— on the nhs. i lost my mum to copd and heart disease very early- on the nhs. i lost my mum to copd| and heart disease very early because over the _ and heart disease very early because over the years. — and heart disease very early because over the years, they— and heart disease very early because over the years, they smoke. - and heart disease very early because over the years, they smoke. i- and heart disease very early because over the years, they smoke. i grew. over the years, they smoke. i grew up over the years, they smoke. i grew up in _ over the years, they smoke. i grew up ina— over the years, they smoke. i grew up in a house — over the years, they smoke. i grew up in a house of— over the years, they smoke. i grew up in a house of smoking. - over the years, they smoke. i grew up in a house of smoking. they- up in a house of smoking. they smoke, — up in a house of smoking. they smoke, or— up in a house of smoking. they smoke, or my— up in a house of smoking. they smoke, or my mum, _ up in a house of smoking. they smoke, or my mum, was - up in a house of smoking. they smoke, or my mum, was on i up in a house of smoking. they. smoke, or my mum, was on more up in a house of smoking. they- smoke, or my mum, was on more than 100-pius_ smoke, or my mum, was on more than 100—plus cigarettes _ smoke, or my mum, was on more than 100—plus cigarettes a _ smoke, or my mum, was on more than 100—plus cigarettes a week, _ smoke, or my mum, was on more than 100—plus cigarettes a week, so - smoke, or my mum, was on more than 100—plus cigarettes a week, so that i 100—plus cigarettes a week, so that is thousands — 100—plus cigarettes a week, so that is thousands that _ 100—plus cigarettes a week, so that is thousands that she _ 100—plus cigarettes a week, so that is thousands that she burnt - 100—plus cigarettes a week, so that is thousands that she burnt away, l is thousands that she burnt away, she might — is thousands that she burnt away, she might has _ is thousands that she burnt away, she might has well— is thousands that she burnt away, she might has welljust _ is thousands that she burnt away, she might has welljust have i is thousands that she burnt away, she might has welljust have got i is thousands that she burnt away, i she might has welljust have got a pile of— she might has welljust have got a pile of there — she might has welljust have got a pile of there is _ she might has welljust have got a pile of there is set _ she might has welljust have got a pile of there is set alight - she might has welljust have got a pile of there is set alight to - she might has welljust have got a pile of there is set alight to it. i pile of there is set alight to it. but what — pile of there is set alight to it. but what makes _ pile of there is set alight to it. but what makes me _ pile of there is set alight to it. but what makes me really- pile of there is set alight to it. l but what makes me really angry pile of there is set alight to it. i but what makes me really angry i come _ but what makes me really angry i come following _ but what makes me really angry i come following their _ but what makes me really angry i come following their years - but what makes me really angry i come following their years of- come following their years of smoking _ come following their years of smoking i— come following their years of smoking iam— come following their years of smoking, i am 50 _ come following their years of smoking, i am 50 for- come following their years of smoking, i am 50 for years. come following their years of. smoking, i am 50 for years old, come following their years of- smoking, i am 50 for years old, last year i _ smoking, i am 50 for years old, last year i was _ smoking, i am 50 for years old, last year i was diagnosed _ smoking, i am 50 for years old, last year i was diagnosed with _ smoking, i am 50 for years old, last year i was diagnosed with adult i year i was diagnosed with adult asthma. — year i was diagnosed with adult asthma. i— year i was diagnosed with adult asthma, i have _ year i was diagnosed with adult asthma, i have to _ year i was diagnosed with adult asthma, i have to go _ year i was diagnosed with adult asthma, i have to go for- year i was diagnosed with adult| asthma, i have to go for testing year i was diagnosed with adult i asthma, i have to go for testing for copd, _ asthma, i have to go for testing for copd. lung — asthma, i have to go for testing for copd, lung cancer— asthma, i have to go for testing for copd, lung cancer and _ asthma, i have to go for testing for copd, lung cancer and other- asthma, i have to go for testing forj copd, lung cancer and other things because _ copd, lung cancer and other things because i_ copd, lung cancer and other things because i grew— copd, lung cancer and other things because i grew up _ copd, lung cancer and other things because i grew up in _ copd, lung cancer and other things because i grew up in a _ copd, lung cancer and other things because i grew up in a house - copd, lung cancer and other things because i grew up in a house with i because i grew up in a house with secondary— because i grew up in a house with secondary smoke~ _ because i grew up in a house with secondary smoke. that _ because i grew up in a house with secondary smoke. that was - because i grew up in a house with secondary smoke. that was not . because i grew up in a house with. secondary smoke. that was not my decision, _ secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i— secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i did _ secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i did not _ secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i did not have _ secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i did not have a _ secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i did not have a choice i secondary smoke. that was not my decision, i did not have a choice inl decision, i did not have a choice in that _ decision, i did not have a choice in that we _ decision, i did not have a choice in that we used _ decision, i did not have a choice in that. we used to— decision, i did not have a choice in that. we used to get— decision, i did not have a choice in that. we used to get on— decision, i did not have a choice in that. we used to get on car- decision, i did not have a choice in. that. we used to get on carjourneys when _ that. we used to get on carjourneys when i _ that. we used to get on carjourneys when i was _ that. we used to get on carjourneys when i was growing _ that. we used to get on carjourneys when i was growing up, _ that. we used to get on carjourneys when i was growing up, in _ that. we used to get on carjourneys when i was growing up, in 18- that. we used to get on carjourneys when i was growing up, in 18 can i when i was growing up, in 18 can basically— when i was growing up, in 18 can basically breathing _ when i was growing up, in 18 can basically breathing in _ when i was growing up, in 18 can basically breathing in smoke. i when i was growing up, in 18 canl basically breathing in smoke. you know, _ basically breathing in smoke. you know. the — basically breathing in smoke. you know, the walls _ basically breathing in smoke. you know, the walls in— basically breathing in smoke. you know, the walls in my— basically breathing in smoke. you know, the walls in my home, i. basically breathing in smoke. you i know, the walls in my home, i was embarrassed — know, the walls in my home, i was embarrassed to— know, the walls in my home, i was embarrassed to take _ know, the walls in my home, i was embarrassed to take friends - know, the walls in my home, i was embarrassed to take friends back. embarrassed to take friends back when _

embarrassed to take friends back when i _ embarrassed to take friends back when i was — embarrassed to take friends back when i was younger, _ embarrassed to take friends back when i was younger, they- embarrassed to take friends back when i was younger, they were . embarrassed to take friends back- when i was younger, they were yellow with tobacco~ — when i was younger, they were yellow with tobacco. you _ when i was younger, they were yellow with tobacco. you would _ when i was younger, they were yellow with tobacco. you would take - when i was younger, they were yellow with tobacco. you would take down i when i was younger, they were yellow with tobacco. you would take down a i with tobacco. you would take down a photo _ with tobacco. you would take down a photo and _ with tobacco. you would take down a photo and the — with tobacco. you would take down a photo and the war— with tobacco. you would take down a photo and the war would _ with tobacco. you would take down a photo and the war would be - with tobacco. you would take down a photo and the war would be a - photo and the war would be a different— photo and the war would be a different colour _ photo and the war would be a different colour behind. - photo and the war would be a different colour behind. and i photo and the war would be a . different colour behind. and we photo and the war would be a i different colour behind. and we did science _ different colour behind. and we did science in— different colour behind. and we did science in the — different colour behind. and we did science in the 1980s, _ different colour behind. and we did science in the 1980s, i— different colour behind. and we did science in the 1980s, i had - different colour behind. and we did science in the 1980s, i had a - different colour behind. and we did| science in the 1980s, i had a lesson where _ science in the 1980s, i had a lesson where they— science in the 1980s, i had a lesson where they showed _ science in the 1980s, i had a lesson where they showed us _ science in the 1980s, i had a lesson where they showed us all— science in the 1980s, i had a lesson where they showed us all about i where they showed us all about smoking — where they showed us all about smoking the _ where they showed us all about smoking, the dangers, - where they showed us all about smoking, the dangers, what i where they showed us all about smoking, the dangers, what it. where they showed us all about i smoking, the dangers, what it did to the lungs. _ smoking, the dangers, what it did to the lungs. i— smoking, the dangers, what it did to the lungs. iwent— smoking, the dangers, what it did to the lungs, i went home _ smoking, the dangers, what it did to the lungs, i went home in _ smoking, the dangers, what it did to the lungs, i went home in tears i the lungs, i went home in tears begging — the lungs, i went home in tears begging my— the lungs, i went home in tears begging my mum— the lungs, i went home in tears begging my mum to— the lungs, i went home in tears begging my mum to give - the lungs, i went home in tears begging my mum to give up i the lungs, i went home in tears - begging my mum to give up smoking, because _ begging my mum to give up smoking, because i_ begging my mum to give up smoking, because i knew— begging my mum to give up smoking, because i knew she _ begging my mum to give up smoking, because i knew she was _ begging my mum to give up smoking, because i knew she was going - begging my mum to give up smoking, because i knew she was going to i begging my mum to give up smoking, because i knew she was going to die i because i knew she was going to die eariy~ _ because i knew she was going to die eariy~ and _ because i knew she was going to die eariy~ and her— because i knew she was going to die early. and her answer— because i knew she was going to die early. and her answer was, - early. and her answer was, grandfather— early. and her answer was, grandfather lived _ early. and her answer was, grandfather lived to - early. and her answer was, grandfather lived to 92, i early. and her answer was, i grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect— grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect him. _ grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect him. i— grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect him, i enjoy— grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect him, i enjoy it, - grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect him, i enjoy it, i- grandfather lived to 92, didn't affect him, i enjoy it, i am i grandfather lived to 92, didn't i affect him, i enjoy it, i am going to carry— affect him, i enjoy it, i am going to carry on _ affect him, i enjoy it, i am going to carry on i— affect him, i en'oy it, i am going to carry on.— to carry on. i am not disputing it is bad for _ to carry on. i am not disputing it is bad for you. _ to carry on. i am not disputing it is bad for you. that _ to carry on. i am not disputing it is bad for you. that is _ to carry on. i am not disputing it is bad for you. that is not i to carry on. i am not disputing it is bad for you. that is not what i i is bad for you. that is not what i am saying. what i am saying is, the law has basically taken your liberty is a way to make that choice. you can do a lot of things when you are 18 years old, as nicky said, join the army, lots of, voting, different things, that is your choice. you make a choice if you want to smoke a lot. i don't smoke 100 cigarettes, i smoke ten cigarettes, not even that, i have got my vapour. but ijust

think that when you bring out a law thatis think that when you bring out a law that is unenforceable, it is, because we have a law that was just brought out last week, we have 7000 complaints. brute brought out last week, we have 7000 comlaints. ~ ,. ,, �*, complaints. we discussed it. let's aet back complaints. we discussed it. let's get back to _ complaints. we discussed it. let's get back to the — complaints. we discussed it. let's get back to the love _ complaints. we discussed it. let's get back to the love or _ complaints. we discussed it. let's get back to the love or hate i complaints. we discussed it. let's get back to the love or hate of i get back to the love or hate of cigarettes. and also this legislation. tracy, is it practicable? is it laudable, to stop young people becoming addicted? but do you think this will effect a culture change, tracey? i do you think this will effect a culture change, tracey? i fear not because there _ culture change, tracey? i fear not because there are _ culture change, tracey? i fear not because there are too _ culture change, tracey? i fear not because there are too many i because there are too many advertising campaigns, smoking is seen _ advertising campaigns, smoking is seen as— advertising campaigns, smoking is seen as trendy, i don't think that is going — seen as trendy, i don't think that is going to — seen as trendy, i don't think that is going to do change, but we do need _ is going to do change, but we do need to— is going to do change, but we do need to do— is going to do change, but we do need to do something to try to stop it. i need to do something to try to stop it. ., �* , , ., ~ it. i don't see where the smoking, where the — it. i don't see where the smoking, where the advertisement - it. i don't see where the smoking, where the advertisement is i it. i don't see where the smoking, where the advertisement is for i where the advertisement is for smoking, it is not on the telly, i don't see it publicised to say, have a cigarette, it is cool. all that is gone. a cigarette, it is cool. all that is one. �* y a cigarette, it is cool. all that is one.�* , .,

a cigarette, it is cool. all that is one. ,_ ., a cigarette, it is cool. all that is cone.~ ,_ ., , a cigarette, it is cool. all that is one.~ , . , ., a cigarette, it is cool. all that is one. , . , ., . gone. anybody that has been out and about... gone. anybody that has been out and about- -- and — gone. anybody that has been out and about... and the _ gone. anybody that has been out and about... and the pictures _ gone. anybody that has been out and about... and the pictures are - gone. anybody that has been out and about... and the pictures are like i about... and the pictures are like something _ about... and the pictures are like something out — about. .. and the pictures are like something out of— about... and the pictures are like something out of a _ about... and the pictures are like something out of a horror - about... and the pictures are like something out of a horror film. i something out of a horror film. exactly, if you were to put some of these pictures, you would be looking twice at it. you these pictures, you would be looking twice at it. ., i. .,, these pictures, you would be looking twice at it. ., .,, twice at it. you say you vape, you smoke, twice at it. you say you vape, you smoke. we _ twice at it. you say you vape, you smoke, we don't _ twice at it. you say you vape, you smoke, we don't know _ twice at it. you say you vape, you smoke, we don't know the - smoke, we don't know the repercussions of vaping in years to come _ repercussions of vaping in years to come that — repercussions of vaping in years to come. that is still a liquid going intom _ come. that is still a liquid going into... ., ., , ., come. that is still a liquid going into... ., ., , , into... how many kids do you see vain ? into... how many kids do you see vaping? you _ into... how many kids do you see vaping? you go — into... how many kids do you see vaping? you go into _ into... how many kids do you see vaping? you go into the - into... how many kids do you see vaping? you go into the shops... | vaping? you go into the shops... jason, jason... _ vaping? you go into the shops... jason, jason... i— vaping? you go into the shops... jason, jason... i worked - vaping? you go into the shops... jason, jason... i worked in i vaping? you go into the shops... jason, jason... i worked in a - jason, jason... i worked in a secondary— jason, jason... i worked in a secondary school until four years a -o secondary school until four years ago and — secondary school until four years ago and let me tell you you have got kids as _ ago and let me tell you you have got kids as young as 12, 13 vaping. i see them — kids as young as 12, 13 vaping. i see them go down the street, they are everywhere. it is a trendy thing to d0~ _ are everywhere. it is a trendy thing to d0~ it's — are everywhere. it is a trendy thing to do. it'sjust disgusting. and what _ to do. it'sjust disgusting. and what we — to do. it'sjust disgusting. and what we are doing to our health ism _ what we are doing to our health ism i_ what we are doing to our health ism i hate _ what we are doing to our health is... i hate walking behind anyone smoking _ is... i hate walking behind anyone smoking or— is... i hate walking behind anyone smoking or vaping, is... i hate walking behind anyone smoking orvaping, i is... i hate walking behind anyone smoking or vaping, i will cross the road, _ smoking or vaping, i will cross the road. i_ smoking or vaping, i will cross the road. i don't— smoking or vaping, i will cross the road, i don't want to inhale back into road, idon't want to inhale back into my— road, i don't want to inhale back into my already damaged lungs from years of— into my already damaged lungs from years of growing up in that environment. i

years of growing up in that environment.— years of growing up in that environment. , ., ., , environment. i remember going to my aunt's house--- _ environment. i remember going to my aunt's house... you're _ environment. i remember going to my aunt's house... you're right, - aunt's house... you're right, tracey, in inverness, and aunt's in inverness showed a house, and wiping their screen, and all the yellow stuff came off the screen and they thought it was just a bad tv, but it was like putting glasses on. and you see those old television programmes there is smoke everywhere, and you think, my goodness me, what a world it was. stay there, tracey. cash, nicky, good morning, cash, what to go thing about the prospect of a 36—year—old being able to buy fax, but not a 35—year—old model you agree with borisjohnson, is this bonkers? agree with boris johnson, is this bonkers? ., ., ~' agree with boris johnson, is this bonkers? ., ., ~ , , . ., bonkers? no, i work in public health and the idea — bonkers? no, i work in public health and the idea that _ bonkers? no, i work in public health and the idea that an _ bonkers? no, i work in public health and the idea that an 80-year-old . bonkers? no, i work in public health and the idea that an 80-year-old is| and the idea that an 80—year—old is going to be idealfor cigarettes, but i think also, it is interesting that smokers are one are saying that this is bad, whereas people that do not smoke are not really against it.

and we do have a massive pressure on the nhs at the moment and just like last year, over 500,000 hospital admissions were atra beatable to smoking, and over 70 deaths. and the fact that people are still saying this is a good thing, we should be able to smoke if we want, it is just madness. able to smoke if we want, it is 'ust madness. �* ., ,., , able to smoke if we want, it is 'ust madness. �* ., , able to smoke if we want, it is 'ust madness. �* , , , madness. but nobody said smoking is a aood madness. but nobody said smoking is a good thing- — madness. but nobody said smoking is a good thing- it _ madness. but nobody said smoking is a good thing. it is _ madness. but nobody said smoking is a good thing. it is somebody's - a good thing. it is somebody's pleasure _ a good thing. it is somebody's pleasure. you are basically saying that _ pleasure. you are basically saying that. ., , ., , pleasure. you are basically saying that. ., , ., ., that. you get pleasure out of... everyone _ that. you get pleasure out of... everyone just — that. you get pleasure out of... everyone just be _ that. you get pleasure out of... everyone just be quiet - that. you get pleasure out of... everyone just be quietjust - that. you get pleasure out of... everyone just be quietjust for. that. you get pleasure out of... everyone just be quietjust for a everyone just be quiet just for a second. everyone just be quietjust for a second. smoking dates are always, in the time i've been doing this, really passionate. there is extra dimensions to this, though, it is what the politicians are saying, the politicians in the party that is introducing the legislation are saying this is bonkers. have you got any sympathy for that taking away a little pleasure from people, tash? i

little pleasure from people, tash? i absolutely do, it is the same with alcohol, alcohol causes massive harms but we are not going to say you can't drink. i think if we made smokers pay for their own healthcare, then i think... who said m name healthcare, then i think... who said my name just _ healthcare, then i think... who said my name just a _ healthcare, then i think... who said my name just a moment _ healthcare, then i think... who said my name just a moment ago? - healthcare, then i think... who said my name just a moment ago? it - healthcare, then i think... who said| my name just a moment ago? it was my name 'ust a moment ago? it was me, my name just a moment ago? it was me, my _ my name just a moment ago? it was me. nicky- ian, — my name just a moment ago? it was me. nicky- ian, it— my name just a moment ago? it was me, nicky. ian, it was— my name just a moment ago? it was me, nicky. ian, it was you, - my name just a moment ago? it was me, nicky. ian, it was you, fire - me, nicky. ian, it was you, fire awa . me, nicky. ian, it was you, fire away- your— me, nicky. ian, it was you, fire away. your phoneins _ me, nicky. ian, it was you, fire away. your phoneins are - me, nicky. ian, it was you, fire i away. your phoneins are fantastic and ou away. your phoneins are fantastic and you reach _ away. your phoneins are fantastic and you reach into _ and you reach into so many different people _ and you reach into so many different peoriie iaut— and you reach into so many different peorrie but perhaps _ and you reach into so many different people but perhaps if— and you reach into so many different people but perhaps if you _ and you reach into so many different people but perhaps if you were - and you reach into so many different people but perhaps if you were able | people but perhaps if you were able to have _ people but perhaps if you were able to have a _ people but perhaps if you were able to have a seance _ people but perhaps if you were able to have a seance and _ people but perhaps if you were able to have a seance and contact - people but perhaps if you were able to have a seance and contact all - to have a seance and contact all those _ to have a seance and contact all those that — to have a seance and contact all those that have _ to have a seance and contact all those that have died, _ to have a seance and contact all those that have died, you - to have a seance and contact allj those that have died, you would to have a seance and contact all - those that have died, you would have millions _ those that have died, you would have millions of— those that have died, you would have millions of people _ those that have died, you would have millions of people ringing _ those that have died, you would have millions of people ringing in - those that have died, you would have millions of people ringing in or- millions of people ringing in or contacting _ millions of people ringing in or contacting you _ millions of people ringing in or contacting you via, _ millions of people ringing in or contacting you via, i _ millions of people ringing in or contacting you via, i don't - millions of people ringing in or. contacting you via, i don't know, kingston — contacting you via, i don't know, kingston baptiste, _ contacting you via, i don't know, kingston baptiste, saying, - contacting you via, i don't know, kingston baptiste, saying, don't| kingston baptiste, saying, don't smoke — kingston baptiste, saying, don't smoke. . , kingston baptiste, saying, don't smoke. ., , ~ , , smoke. can i 'ust bonkers i 'ust wanted to“ smoke. can ijust bonkers i 'ust wanted to say... i smoke. can ijust bonkers i 'ust wanted to say... i i smoke. can ijust bonkers i 'ust wanted to say... i am i smoke. can ijust bonkers ijust wanted to say... i am seeing i smoke. can ijust bonkers ijust wanted to say... i am seeing a | smoke. can ijust bonkers ijust - wanted to say... i am seeing a door! we are joining _ wanted to say... i am seeing a door! we are joining hands, _ wanted to say... i am seeing a door! we are joining hands, we _ wanted to say... i am seeing a door! we are joining hands, we are - we arejoining hands, we are contacting the living, and nicky in coventry is one of them, what other think? , , ., , think? so, basically if we are being realistic, this _ think? so, basically if we are being realistic, this is _ think? so, basically if we are being realistic, this is just _ think? so, basically if we are being realistic, this isjust another - realistic, this isjust another thing — realistic, this isjust another thing that they are going to do that

is not _ thing that they are going to do that is not going to work. i100% agree, iwork— is not going to work. i100% agree, i work in _ is not going to work. i100% agree, i work in children's services and we hear— i work in children's services and we hear about— i work in children's services and we hear about children, six years old, seven— hear about children, six years old, seven years — hear about children, six years old, seven years old, vaping, which is absolutely... never used to see a six-year-oid _ absolutely... never used to see a six—year—old or seven—year—old smoking — six—year—old or seven—year—old smoking but they are trying to reduce — smoking but they are trying to reduce people smoking and it is causing — reduce people smoking and it is causing other things. and when does it stop? _ causing other things. and when does it stop? everything has a consequence. you can't eat too many sweets, — consequence. you can't eat too many sweets, you _ consequence. you can't eat too many sweets, you can't drink fizzy drinks because _ sweets, you can't drink fizzy drinks because you are going to get diabetes. you can't drink, it is not good _ diabetes. you can't drink, it is not good for— diabetes. you can't drink, it is not good for your liver. when does it stop? _ good for your liver. when does it stop? if— good for your liver. when does it stop? if people want to smoke, if they are — stop? if people want to smoke, if they are overan stop? if people want to smoke, if they are over an age and they can make _ they are over an age and they can make that — they are over an age and they can make that decision, if you're old enough — make that decision, if you're old enough to— make that decision, if you're old enough to vote, then you are old enough _ enough to vote, then you are old enough to— enough to vote, then you are old enough to smoke. but enough to vote, then you are old enough to smoke.— enough to vote, then you are old enough to smoke. but what about, it is so addictive! _ enough to smoke. but what about, it is so addictive! nikki... _ enough to smoke. but what about, it is so addictive! nikki... i— enough to smoke. but what about, it is so addictive! nikki... i feel- is so addictive! nikki... ifeel like i am talking to myself! it is so addictive! nikki, let me put this to nikki and then i will let you

back in, tracey. it is so addictive. i am nicky as well and i was an addict. it is so difficult and if you can stop young people getting hooked on this, you are going to save so much money. but hooked on this, you are going to save so much money.— hooked on this, you are going to save so much money. but we are already hooked _ save so much money. but we are already hooked on _ save so much money. but we are already hooked on the _ save so much money. but we are already hooked on the nicotine, l already hooked on the nicotine, nicky, that is the problem, the nicotine is the problem. you are auoin to nicotine is the problem. you are going to end _ nicotine is the problem. you are going to end up... _ nicotine is the problem. you are going to end up... wait, - nicotine is the problem. you are i going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what— going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what you _ going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what you are _ going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what you are going - going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what you are going to - going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what you are going to do i going to end up... wait, everyone. nikki? what you are going to do is| nikki? what you are going to do is end up— nikki? what you are going to do is end up with, because you have hrought— end up with, because you have brought these vapes into the mix, i don't _ brought these vapes into the mix, i don't remember vapes when i was at school, _ don't remember vapes when i was at school, i_ don't remember vapes when i was at school, i am — don't remember vapes when i was at school, iam in don't remember vapes when i was at school, i am in my mid—40s, rightly or mirongo, — school, i am in my mid—40s, rightly or mirongo, i— school, i am in my mid—40s, rightly or mbongo, i don't remember vapes when _ or mbongo, i don't remember vapes when i _ or mbongo, i don't remember vapes when i was — or mbongo, i don't remember vapes when i was at school. never used to see kids _ when i was at school. never used to see kids smoking vapes when i was at schooi~ _ see kids smoking vapes when i was at schooi~ but— see kids smoking vapes when i was at school. but now because we are trying _ school. but now because we are trying to — school. but now because we are trying to reduce the people that smoke — trying to reduce the people that smoke they have bought these vapes into the _ smoke they have bought these vapes into the mix that have got all these ioveiy— into the mix that have got all these lovely flavours of watermelon and all this _ lovely flavours of watermelon and all this. , ., ., ., , . all this. they are going to restrict the fiavours- _

all this. they are going to restrict the flavours. they _ all this. they are going to restrict the flavours. they are _ all this. they are going to restrict the flavours. they are promoting | the flavours. they are promoting something _ the flavours. they are promoting something else, _ the flavours. they are promoting something else, not _ the flavours. they are promoting l something else, not intentionally, but at _ something else, not intentionally, but at the — something else, not intentionally, but at the end of the day, everything is highly addictive. people — everything is highly addictive. people that drink a lot of coca—cola for example, it is hard for them to -et for example, it is hard for them to get off— for example, it is hard for them to get off it _ for example, it is hard for them to get off it because they will get a headacheif get off it because they will get a headache if they stop drinking coke. but at _ headache if they stop drinking coke. but at the _ headache if they stop drinking coke. but at the end of the day i think it makes _ but at the end of the day i think it makes sense to increase the cost of cigarettes, — makes sense to increase the cost of cigarettes, like they did before, if someone — cigarettes, like they did before, if someone still wants to smoke... £16 for 20 now. — someone still wants to smoke... for20 now, it's someone still wants to smoke... £115 for 20 now, it's incredible. someone still wants to smoke... £16 for 20 now, it's incredible. that - someone still wants to smoke... £16 for 20 now, it's incredible. that is i for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i mean. _ for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i mean, if _ for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i mean, if you _ for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i mean, if you want - for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i mean, if you want to - for 20 now, it's incredible. that is what i mean, if you want to go . for 20 now, it's incredible. that is| what i mean, if you want to go and waste _ what i mean, if you want to go and waste of— what i mean, if you want to go and waste of £16 on a box of flags in a cost crisis. — waste of £16 on a box of flags in a cost crisis, that is entirely up to you _ cost crisis, that is entirely up to you but — cost crisis, that is entirely up to you. but you've got to be realistic. so, you. but you've got to be realistic. so. that _ you. but you've got to be realistic. so. that is— you. but you've got to be realistic. so, that is the nudge. tash in lincoln, as you say, you work in public health, you know how dangerous these evil little things are, don't you, tash?_ dangerous these evil little things are, don't you, tash? yes, and the comment about _ are, don't you, tash? yes, and the comment about the _ are, don't you, tash? yes, and the comment about the cost-of-livingl comment about the cost—of—living crisis, smoking disproportionately affects those with poor education, poor job affects those with poor education, poorjob prospects, poorer incomes,

people who are addicted, we are then going to make them have an even greater strain on their budgets by basically allowing them to smoke. but argue, i basically allowing them to smoke. butargue, i pay basically allowing them to smoke. but argue, i pay so much tax on it and stuff. the tax on a cigarette does not even come close to the cost of the healthcare that that person is going to require, if they have copd, if they have lung cancer. it is not even going to come close to it. and the people arguing about things, 10% of the national health budget is spent on di botes. fizzy drinks. we have to do something about this, it is just breaking the nhs system. —— on diabetes. because of people's life choices. maybe we should say, if you are going to smoke, then you pay for your own healthcare. you suffer the consequences.— healthcare. you suffer the conseruences. ~ ., , , ., consequences. wow! very draconian, we are going _ consequences. wow! very draconian, we are going down — consequences. wow! very draconian, we are going down that _ consequences. wow! very draconian, we are going down that road - consequences. wow! very draconian, we are going down that road of- we are going down that road of draconian, to say pay for your health— draconian, to say pay for your health now.— draconian, to say pay for your health now. well, you make the choice to smoke, _ health now. well, you make the choice to smoke, so _ health now. well, you make the choice to smoke, so why - health now. well, you make the choice to smoke, so why should j choice to smoke, so why should everyone pay for it?—

choice to smoke, so why should everyone pay for it? could you tell me, i everyone pay for it? could you tell me. i enjoy _ everyone pay for it? could you tell me. i enjoy a _ everyone pay for it? could you tell me. i enjoy a pint— everyone pay for it? could you tell me, i enjoy a pint with _ everyone pay for it? could you tell me, i enjoy a pint with a _ everyone pay for it? could you tell me, i enjoy a pint with a cigarette | me, i enjoy a pint with a cigarette outside _ me, i enjoy a pint with a cigarette outside. 0utside, me, i enjoy a pint with a cigarette outside. outside, there is nothing better, _ outside. outside, there is nothing better, from my personal point of view, _ better, from my personal point of view, being a smoker, i enjoy a pint with a _ view, being a smoker, i enjoy a pint with a cigarette. people come up to you and _ with a cigarette. people come up to you and say, — with a cigarette. people come up to you and say, can you not smoke outside? — you and say, can you not smoke outside? well, why don't you go inside _ outside? well, why don't you go inside then? you are making people like leprechauns? you inside then? you are making people like leprechauns?— like leprechauns? you are costing the nhs a lot _ like leprechauns? you are costing the nhs a lot of— like leprechauns? you are costing the nhs a lot of money, - like leprechauns? you are costing the nhs a lot of money, jason. i like leprechauns? you are costing l the nhs a lot of money, jason. this is the point. office for budget responsibility say that smoking costs in england, this is, not scotland, 49.2 billion pounds each year. and an additional 25.9 million lost in quality adjusted life years due to premature death from smoking as well. i want to bring in louise in addlestone. and kelly... mar;

as well. i want to bring in louise in addlestone. and kelly... may be -auttin in addlestone. and kelly... may be putting extra _ in addlestone. and kelly... may be putting extra on — in addlestone. and kelly... may be putting extra on the _ in addlestone. and kelly... may be putting extra on the cigarettes, - putting extra on the cigarettes, they should _ putting extra on the cigarettes, they should give _ putting extra on the cigarettes, they should give that _ putting extra on the cigarettes, they should give that to - putting extra on the cigarettes, they should give that to the... i putting extra on the cigarettes, j they should give that to the... l they should give that to the... [ 'ust they should give that to the... just wanted to say one thing. haven't just wanted to say one thing. i haven't smoked since the year 2000, this is driving me back to it! louise in addlestone, kelly and sittingbourne. wait a minute, everyone, i want to just impose a little bit of calm in the situation and bring in louise in addlestone and bring in louise in addlestone and kelly and sittingbourne. good morning, both of you. i am and kelly and sittingbourne. good morning, both of you.— and kelly and sittingbourne. good morning, both of you. i am a smoker and i morning, both of you. i am a smoker and! not morning, both of you. i am a smoker and i got three _ morning, both of you. i am a smoker and i got three children _ morning, both of you. i am a smoker and i got three children born - morning, both of you. i am a smoker and i got three children born after. and i got three children born after the year 2013, but i do not want my children smoking, because i can't quit. and i 100% agree with the band. because i've always said to my kids, never, eversmoke. ifollowed my parents, smoke since i was 13, i agree with it because i think it is terrible, ijust do not want my kids smoking. and they get the choice taken away from them, that is great, i think, personally. taken away from them, that is great, ithink, personally. because i taken away from them, that is great, i think, personally. because i don't want them to smoke. this

i think, personally. because i don't want them to smoke.— want them to smoke. this is kelly from sittingbourne. _ want them to smoke. this is kelly from sittingbourne. i— want them to smoke. this is kelly from sittingbourne. i think - want them to smoke. this is kelly i from sittingbourne. i think anything you tran— from sittingbourne. i think anything you ban creates an element of criminality, because it then goes underground like probation in america. _ underground like probation in america, when you ban smoking, it goes _ america, when you ban smoking, it goes underground, like drugs. wait a minute. goes underground, like drugs. wait a minute- let — goes underground, like drugs. wait a minute. let me _ goes underground, like drugs. wait a minute. let me just _ goes underground, like drugs. wait a minute. let me just explore - goes underground, like drugs. wait a minute. let me just explore this - minute. let me just explore this with kelly. they are not banning it, they are stopping young people getting addicted to it. so you, for the rest of your long and happy life, kelly, will be able to buy cigarettes. life, kelly, will be able to buy cigarettes-— life, kelly, will be able to buy ciuarettes. �* ., �* ., cigarettes. but i don't care about that, i cigarettes. but i don't care about that. i care _ cigarettes. but i don't care about that, i care about _ cigarettes. but i don't care about that, i care about it, _ cigarettes. but i don't care about that, i care about it, it— cigarettes. but i don't care about that, i care about it, it will- cigarettes. but i don't care about that, i care about it, it will go - that, i care about it, it will go underground, if kids can't get hold of it, _ underground, if kids can't get hold of it. they— underground, if kids can't get hold of it, they will get hold of it. if you say— of it, they will get hold of it. if you say don't do something, they will do _ you say don't do something, they will do it — you say don't do something, they will do it. because that is the nature — will do it. because that is the nature of— will do it. because that is the nature of children, and they are going _ nature of children, and they are going to — nature of children, and they are going to grow up with it. and there will be _ going to grow up with it. and there will be a _ going to grow up with it. and there will be a criminal element to it. louise. — will be a criminal element to it. louise, what did you save? the arents louise, what did you save? the parents should _ louise, what did you save? tie: parents should be louise, what did you save? tte: parents should be telling louise, what did you save? tt9

parents should be telling them not to smoke a do you tell your kids not to smoke a do you tell your kids not to smoke? 100%. but to smoke a do you tell your kids not to smoke? 100%.— to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids not to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids rrot to — to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids rrot to do _ to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids not to do stuff _ to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids not to do stuff and _ to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids not to do stuff and they - to smoke? 100%. but you tell your kids not to do stuff and they do - kids not to do stuff and they do things — kids not to do stuff and they do thins. :, , :, �* kids not to do stuff and they do things-_ so - things. no, they don't. so everything _ things. no, they don't. so everything you _ things. no, they don't. so everything you tell - things. no, they don't. so everything you tell them, | things. no, they don't. so - everything you tell them, they do? well, _ everything you tell them, they do? well, they— everything you tell them, they do? well, they are only ten and... so they listen at the minute. thea;r well, they are only ten and... so they listen at the minute. they will make u- they listen at the minute. they will make up their _ they listen at the minute. they will make up their own _ they listen at the minute. they will make up their own minds - they listen at the minute. they will make up their own minds and - they listen at the minute. they will make up their own minds and if- they listen at the minute. they will. make up their own minds and if they want to— make up their own minds and if they want to smoke they will get these itiegai— want to smoke they will get these illegal cigarettes which are on the market— illegal cigarettes which are on the market anyway... that illegal cigarettes which are on the market anyway. . ._ market anyway... that is true, contraband _ market anyway... that is true, contraband flooding _ market anyway... that is true, contraband flooding the - market anyway... that is true, i contraband flooding the market, illegal cigarettes, that is a very important point. let me ask you, louise, you are an addict, are you? a cigarette addicts, 100%, i can't quit. i have tried patches, everything, i cannot quit. so... what does it feel like when you don't have a cigarette for a few hours or for a day don't have a cigarette for a few hours orfor a day or don't have a cigarette for a few hours or for a day or whatever? don't have a cigarette for a few hours orfor a day or whatever? a, hours or for a day or whatever? few hours, even with a patch on, it's impossible to quit. ijust find

it's impossible to quit. ijust find it impossible, can't do it. it's awful. you feel angry, frustrated, it is just horrible. i last about two days with the patches and then i just go back to smoking. i smoke in the garden, not around the kids but i tell my kids constantly, don't smoke. i have been smoking since 13. i would love to quit but i can't. how many do you smoke a day? gardening obviously because they are getting more expensive, i am on the roll ups, lasts about three days, a packet of roll ups. and that is quite a lot, really. a few years back when i was helping people give up back when i was helping people give up smoking it is much better to be on a programme with other people that are giving up smoking. but t that are giving up smoking. but i can't aet that are giving up smoking. but i can't get hold — that are giving up smoking. but i can't get hold of— that are giving up smoking. but i can't get hold of that _ that are giving up smoking. but i can't get hold of that type of thing at the _ can't get hold of that type of thing at the moment where i live. it is 'ust at the moment where i live. it is just all— at the moment where i live. it is just all single, on your own, you

can get— just all single, on your own, you can get vouchers of the internet, there _ can get vouchers of the internet, there isn't— can get vouchers of the internet, there isn't that support for people to give _ there isn't that support for people to give up— there isn't that support for people to give up smoking. in there isn't that support for people to give up smoking.— there isn't that support for people to give up smoking. in one aspect of this is disbursement _ to give up smoking. in one aspect of this is disbursement my _ to give up smoking. in one aspect of this is disbursement my money, - to give up smoking. in one aspect of this is disbursement my money, to i this is disbursement my money, to councils, for cessation programmes have been cut as well. i councils, for cessation programmes have been cut as well.— have been cut as well. i tried to rive u- have been cut as well. i tried to give up and _ have been cut as well. i tried to give up and i — have been cut as well. i tried to give up and i can't. _ have been cut as well. i tried to give up and i can't. i— have been cut as well. i tried to give up and i can't. i need - have been cut as well. i tried to give up and i can't. i need a - give up and i can't. i need a cessation programme, and i used to run it. :, :, ., cessation programme, and i used to run it-_ not - cessation programme, and i used to| run it-_ not bad. run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, ourself? run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i— run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i am _ run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i am not _ run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i am not bad, _ run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i am not bad, it— run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i am not bad, it is- run it. ethan, how are you? not bad, yourself? i am not bad, it is a - yourself? i am not bad, it is a hectic old _ yourself? i am not bad, it is a hectic old morning _ yourself? i am not bad, it is a hectic old morning but - yourself? i am not bad, it is a hectic old morning but when i yourself? i am not bad, it is a l hectic old morning but when we discuss this, it always is. and it is extra busy, thanks to liz. liz truss, saying this is madness. boris johnson, saying this is bonkers. it is impractical and it is illiberal. ethan, what you think?- is impractical and it is illiberal. ethan, what you think? well, i am 21 ears old ethan, what you think? well, i am 21 years old and — ethan, what you think? well, i am 21 years old and vaping, _ ethan, what you think? well, i am 21 years old and vaping, cigarettes - ethan, what you think? well, i am 21 years old and vaping, cigarettes go l years old and vaping, cigarettes go that sort of thing has been quite prominent in my friendship circle. the thing is, it is a slippery

slope. my friends started off with vaping because it was 20, it was seen as a cool thing to do, but they have become so nicotine —dependent and vaping has become so expensive that they are actually turning to more traditional cigarettes to get their fix. more traditional cigarettes to get theirfix. i think more traditional cigarettes to get their fix. i think that it should be cut off from a certain age, definitely. the public can't be trusted to make the decision for their own health, then it should be respected. their own health, then it should be resected. ~ :, :, their own health, then it should be resected. . ., ., :, their own health, then it should be resected. ~ :, ., :, respected. what a thing to say! the ublic, he respected. what a thing to say! the public. he said. _ respected. what a thing to say! the public, he said, being _ respected. what a thing to say! the public, he said, being a _ respected. what a thing to say! the public, he said, being a devil's - public, he said, being a devil's advocate... the public cannot be trusted to make their own choices?! this is what the representative earlier on defending smoking said. this is infantilised in us, treating us like children, that we can be trusted to make aaron choices, what are you saying ethan?— are you saying ethan? well...! it is uuite a are you saying ethan? well...! it is quite a difficult _ are you saying ethan? well...! it is quite a difficult position _ are you saying ethan? well...! it is quite a difficult position to - quite a difficult position to explain when you're trying to

restrict people's, i wouldn't say freedom, but freedom of choice. it is a product that kills you. it is a product that affects our nhs, when people are trained off the illnesses that they get from the product. we shouldn't be selling this in our shops on our shelves, quite friendly. shops on our shelves, quite friendl . :, ~ , shops on our shelves, quite friendl. ., friendly. -- quite frankly. so alcohol should _ friendly. -- quite frankly. so alcohol should be _ friendly. -- quite frankly. so alcohol should be banned, . friendly. -- quite frankly. so i alcohol should be banned, too? friendly. -- quite frankly. so - alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, iwas aoian alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was going to — alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was going to say. — alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was going to say, you _ alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was going to say, you know, - alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was going to say, you know, i - alcohol should be banned, too? yeah, i was going to say, you know, i know that alcohol, — i was going to say, you know, i know that alcohol, being _ i was going to say, you know, i know that alcohol, being brutally - i was going to say, you know, i know that alcohol, being brutally honest, i that alcohol, being brutally honest, a lot of— that alcohol, being brutally honest, a lot of children _ that alcohol, being brutally honest, a lot of children that _ that alcohol, being brutally honest, a lot of children that drink - a lot of children that drink alcohol, _ a lot of children that drink alcohol, down— a lot of children that drink alcohol, down the - a lot of children that drink alcohol, down the park, . a lot of children that drinkl alcohol, down the park, on a lot of children that drink i alcohol, down the park, on the benches, — alcohol, down the park, on the benches, and _ alcohol, down the park, on the benches, and actually, - alcohol, down the park, on the benches, and actually, alcohol| alcohol, down the park, on the i benches, and actually, alcohol can have _ benches, and actually, alcohol can have so _ benches, and actually, alcohol can have so many— benches, and actually, alcohol can have so many effects. _ benches, and actually, alcohol can have so many effects. you - benches, and actually, alcohol can have so many effects. you know, i benches, and actually, alcohol can i have so many effects. you know, you -et have so many effects. you know, you get drunk, _ have so many effects. you know, you get drunk, other— have so many effects. you know, you get drunk, other things— have so many effects. you know, you get drunk, other things can _ have so many effects. you know, you get drunk, other things can happen. get drunk, other things can happen to these _ get drunk, other things can happen to these young _ get drunk, other things can happen to these young children _ get drunk, other things can happen to these young children when - get drunk, other things can happen to these young children when theyl to these young children when they are so— to these young children when they are so intoxicated _ to these young children when they are so intoxicated that _ to these young children when they are so intoxicated that they- to these young children when they are so intoxicated that they have i are so intoxicated that they have blacked — are so intoxicated that they have blacked out _ are so intoxicated that they have blacked out they _ are so intoxicated that they have blacked out they get _ are so intoxicated that they have blacked out they get into - are so intoxicated that they have blacked out they get into fights, | blacked out they get into fights, they can _ blacked out they get into fights, they can... endless. _ blacked out they get into fights, they can... endless. and - blacked out they get into fights, they can... endless. and i- blacked out they get into fights, they can... endless. and i am i blacked out they get into fights, i they can... endless. and i am not a smoker _ they can... endless. and i am not a smoker but — they can... endless. and i am not a smoker but do _ they can... endless. and i am not a smoker. but do you _ they can... endless. and i am not a smoker. but do you go— they can... endless. and i am not a smoker. but do you go blackout i they can... endless. and i am not a i smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when _ smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when you _ smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when you have — smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when you have had _ smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when you have had a _ smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when you have had a cigarette? - smoker. but do you go blackout drunk when you have had a cigarette? i- when you have had a cigarette? i think— when you have had a cigarette? i think it _ when you have had a cigarette? i think it needs— when you have had a cigarette? i think it needs to _ when you have had a cigarette? i think it needs to be _ when you have had a cigarette? i think it needs to be people - when you have had a cigarette? i. think it needs to be people making that age. _

think it needs to be people making that age. that _ think it needs to be people making that age, that decision _ think it needs to be people making that age, that decision at - think it needs to be people making that age, that decision at that i think it needs to be people making| that age, that decision at that age, i that age, that decision at that age, i don't _ that age, that decision at that age, idon't think— that age, that decision at that age, idon't think it _ that age, that decision at that age, i don't think it should _ that age, that decision at that age, idon't think it should go— that age, that decision at that age, i don't think it should go where i that age, that decision at that age, i don't think it should go where it i i don't think it should go where it ism _ i don't think it should go where it ism i_ idon't think it should go where it ism ithink— i don't think it should go where it is... i think there _ i don't think it should go where it is... i think there should - i don't think it should go where it is... i think there should be i i don't think it should go where it is... i think there should be an. i don't think it should go where it i is... i think there should be an age limit _ is... i think there should be an age limit wherem _ is... i think there should be an age limit where... it _ is... i think there should be an age limit where... it has— is... i think there should be an age limit where... it has to _ is... i think there should be an age limit where... it has to be - is... i think there should be an age| limit where... it has to be enforced on the _ limit where... it has to be enforced on the shops— limit where... it has to be enforced on the shops as _ limit where... it has to be enforced on the shops as well _ limit where... it has to be enforced on the shops as well because - limit where... it has to be enforced on the shops as well because there j on the shops as well because there is so _ on the shops as well because there is so many— on the shops as well because there is so many flags— on the shops as well because there is so many flags being _ on the shops as well because there is so many flags being sold - on the shops as well because there is so many flags being sold under. is so many flags being sold under the market — is so many flags being sold under the market in— is so many flags being sold under the market-— is so many flags being sold under the market. :, ., the market. in the next hour i want to hear from _ the market. in the next hour i want to hear from retailers _ the market. in the next hour i want to hear from retailers as _ the market. in the next hour i want to hear from retailers as well. i the market. in the next hour i want to hear from retailers as well. who | to hearfrom retailers as well. who thinks, of the people on the line at the moment, that this is an infringement of liberty? yeah. yeah. who said yet? _ infringement of liberty? yeah. yeah. who said yet? kelly. _ infringement of liberty? yeah. yeah. who said yet? kelly. but _ infringement of liberty? yeah. yeah. who said yet? kelly. but what i infringement of liberty? yeah. yeah. who said yet? kelly. but what about| who said yet? kelly. but what about chris whitty's _ who said yet? kelly. but what about chris whitty's argument, the chief medical officer, against kelly and sittingbourne, i would medical officer, against kelly and sittingbourne, iwould pay medical officer, against kelly and sittingbourne, i would pay to see that one, he says if you get addicted to smoking, because it is so addictive, you're actually having your freedom of choice taken away from you, because you are an addict and you have no choice but to stretch for the packet and light up and have another cigarette? i think

i know nicotine _ and have another cigarette? i think i know nicotine and _ and have another cigarette? i think i know nicotine and i _ and have another cigarette? i think i know nicotine and i have - and have another cigarette? i think i know nicotine and i have tried i and have another cigarette? i think i know nicotine and i have tried the j i know nicotine and i have tried the vapes, which cause indigestion sol went back to the cigarettes. but i do think it is the nicotine and that is why the nicotine replacement therapy should be put in, loads of support behind these people, to give up support behind these people, to give up smoking. and gradually come off it, and that is the only way it is going to work. it, and that is the only way it is going to work-— it, and that is the only way it is going to work. that is the only way ou sa it going to work. that is the only way you say it is _ going to work. that is the only way you say it is going _ going to work. that is the only way you say it is going to _ going to work. that is the only way you say it is going to work. - going to work. that is the only way you say it is going to work. it's i you say it is going to work. it's always very busy. we are carrying this on on the radio and radio 5 live. it is something you need to have your say on. thank you to our viewers on bbc news, bbc two, for watching.

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