where the doctor gave me two options — my leg or my life. joining me tonight on my panel are stephanie murphy, former democratic us congresswoman and jack blanchard — the uk editor of politico. first, the latest headlines. a 73—year—old british man died — and seven people were critically injured — when a flight from london to singapore hit, severe turbulence. passengers shot this video inside the plane. it shows the debris and open overhead lockers as well as injured passengers being stretchered off the plane while ambulances waited on the tarmac. medical workers in israel have told the bbc, that palestinian detainees from gaza are routinely being kept shackled

to hospital beds, and forced to wear blindfolds and nappies. israel's army has said, that restraints are only used when there's security risk. donald trump's defence have rested their case this morning after calling just two witnesses in the former president's hush money trial. robert costello, the lawyer who advised michael cohen, and was admonished by the judge yesterday, finished his testimony. the uk government has outlined what it's described as a comprehensive plan to compensate those affected by the nhs blood scandal. at least 30,000 people were given blood products infected with hiv and hepatitis c between the 19705 and early 905. an interim payments of £210,000 will be paid within 90 days for the most urgent cases. good evening. medical workers in israel have told the bbc that palestinian detainees from gaza are routinely kept shackled to hospital beds, blindfolded, sometimes naked, and forced to wear nappies —

a practice one medic said amounted to "torture". israel's army said in response that handcuffing of detainees in the sde teiman military hospital was carried out in cases where security risks require it and that nappies were used only for those who have undergone medical procedures. but a number of whistle—blowers say the treatment raises serious ethical questions. the bbc�*s middle east correspondent lucy williamson reports — and a warning that some viewers may find details in this report upsetting. sufian abu saleh survived months of war unscathed. he left military detention in israel permanently disabled. a taxi driver from khan younis, released without charge after weeks of interrogation. his return soured by sadness. translation: my leg got infected and turned blue l and soft as a sponge. after seven days they took me to the military hospital. they operated twice to clean

the wound but it didn't work. afterwards they took me to a public hospital where the doctor gave me two options — my leg or my life. neither israel's army nor health ministry responded to these allegations. there is growing concern over the medical care of gazan detainees in israel. classed as unlawful combatants even before interrogation, doctors say they are kept shackled and blindfolded, including during hospital treatment. allegations have centred on a new field hospital at the sde teiman military base. 0ne senior medic there says patients are kept blindfolded and in nappies, with all four limbs handcuffed to the bed. the army, not me, they create the patient to be depending 100% on you like a baby.

you are cuffed, you are with diaper, you need the water, you need everything. it is the dehumanisation of them. the army told us that the need to handcuff detainees in the medical facility was examined individually and daily and that cuffing was done when the security risk required it. diapers — or nappies — it said, were only for those patients with limited movement. the hamas attacks on the 7th of october left israel's hospital staff treating captured fighters alongside their israeli victims. two medics told us painkillers had been withheld, causing what one described as an unacceptable amount of pain. treating gazan captives on military sites was meant to resolve doctors�* ethical dilemmas, but those dilemmas remain. the moment our hospital at sde teiman closes, one told me, we will celebrate. lucy williamson,

bbc news, jerusalem. that report comes in the wake of yesterdays announcement, from the chief prosecutor at the icc that he is seeking arrest warrants for the israeli prime minister benjamin netenyahu and defence minister yoav gallant. kharim khan is also seeking arrest warrants for the three most prominent leaders of hamas, yahya sinwar, the leader in gaza, mohammed deif, the commander of the qassam brigades, its military wing, and ismail haniyeh, head of the hamas political bureau. with us in the studio tonight, someone we have had on the programme several times from jerusalem. jonathan conricus, former spokesman for the idf. now a senior fellow at the foundation for defence of democracies. good to meet you in person, thank you for coming in. let us talk about the hospital, do you know it is a former idf spokesperson buster mark i know of it? i former idf spokesperson buster mark i know of it?— i know of it? i know of it, that israel detains _ i know of it? i know of it, that israel detains terrorist - i know of it? i know of it, that i israel detains terrorist and other palestinians there. why are. who;

israel detains terrorist and other palestinians there. why are. why are civilians who — palestinians there. why are. why are civilians who have _ palestinians there. why are. why are civilians who have legs _ palestinians there. why are. why are civilians who have legs updated - palestinians there. why are. why are civilians who have legs updated hankj civilians who have legs updated hank of their quest to mark the doctor described that as stupid. it’s a of their quest to mark the doctor described that as stupid. it's a bit odd to reflect _ described that as stupid. it's a bit odd to reflect on _ described that as stupid. it's a bit odd to reflect on it, _ described that as stupid. it's a bit odd to reflect on it, we have - described that as stupid. it's a bit odd to reflect on it, we have to i odd to reflect on it, we have to keepin odd to reflect on it, we have to keep in mind who are detained there, the people detained there are members of hamas, some of them terrorists who went in and did the atrocities of october seven, and others are men or fighters that have been picked up and detained by israeli fighters inside gaza and brought in for questioning. by the way, some of them have shared quite a lot of interesting information about the whereabouts of israeli hostages, and other vital information, so these are not the poor hapless justinian information, so these are not the poor haplessjustinian workers our labours being treated unfairly by cruel israelis, these are terrorists.— cruel israelis, these are terrorists. ., ., ., terrorists. not all of them. yes actuall .

terrorists. not all of them. yes actually. some _ terrorists. not all of them. yes actually. some are _ terrorists. not all of them. yes actually. some are released i terrorists. not all of them. yes l actually. some are released back into gaza. _ actually. some are released back into gaza. so _ actually. some are released back into gaza, so presumably - actually. some are released back into gaza, so presumably they i actually. some are released back| into gaza, so presumably they are not terrorist in your words. it depends how long they were there, and how they were picked up, but they are not innocent people taken randomly off the street, they are people who if they had the chance and whereabouts and weapons would gladly kiss —— killed israelis and dues without a second thought. that is the context, these are people that need to be in a safe and secure environment. i think that what that big issue for israel here is that these hospitals exist because there's been tremendous pressure by civilians not to have terrorist and israeli hospitals and not to is really civilians, and there has been tremendous pushback by israelis asking why there is medical care for them. to correctly, i can see that i think israel goes by the book. there may have been cases where people have not been treated well enough. i don't think it it's amounts to torture, and i don't think i

whistle—blowers... i'm always whistle—blowers. .. i'm always sensitive whistle—blowers... i'm always sensitive when people are anonymous about what they say. itrefoil sensitive when people are anonymous about what they say.— about what they say. well lucy's it could journalist _ about what they say. well lucy's it could journalist who _ about what they say. well lucy's it could journalist who has _ about what they say. well lucy's it could journalist who has no - about what they say. well lucy's it could journalist who has no doubt| could journalist who has no doubt verify things in a report. your the french foreign ministry said yesterday on the announcement of the icc charges that they've been warning for many months about the imperative of strict compliance to humanitarian law and particular about the unacceptable nature of civilian losses in the gaza strip and the resistance to humanitarian access. francis supports the manager in court and its fight against impunity in all situations. it will cause prime minister benjamin netanyahu a problem. that cause prime minister ben'amin netanyahu a problem. that statement is a problem — netanyahu a problem. that statement is a problem and _ netanyahu a problem. that statement is a problem and i _ netanyahu a problem. that statement is a problem and i would _ netanyahu a problem. that statement is a problem and i would see - is a problem and i would see stubbing aback by it democratic that's know better.— that's know better. similar statement _ that's know better. similar statement from _ that's know better. similar

statement from belgium. | that's know better. similar- statement from belgium. belgium that's know better. similar— statement from belgium. belgium i'm not surprised. — statement from belgium. belgium i'm not surprised, they _ statement from belgium. belgium i'm not surprised, they are _ statement from belgium. belgium i'm not surprised, they are inundated - not surprised, they are inundated with others of islamic pressure in their country, but i am surprised and disappointed with friends, and i would hope they would have a similar stance like the uk and if not, say something similar to what president biden said who unequivocally condemned the false allegations and said how horrible and reckless they are. i think the icc prosecutor is out of bounds. he is overstepping hisjurisdiction, he's out out of bounds. he is overstepping his jurisdiction, he's out of control, he looks like a power drunk person. i saw his video and i could not know if i was watching a map your head or a prosecutor in international court.- your head or a prosecutor in international court. matip -- mr meant netanyahu _ international court. matip -- mr meant netanyahu spoken - international court. matip -- mrl meant netanyahu spoken english international court. matip -- mr- meant netanyahu spoken english on the video, any is that when he wants his message to get out to the american public and others, does that mean he understands the imprecations for himself personally? i think he does, he's always been. and what's about his position in the

cabinet, there seems to be arriving around him in recent days after smith's emerging. fine around him in recent days after smith's emerging.— around him in recent days after smith's emerging. one would think that when force _ smith's emerging. one would think that when force is _ smith's emerging. one would think that when force is applied - smith's emerging. one would think that when force is applied in - smith's emerging. one would think that when force is applied in an - that when force is applied in an entity there is pushback and i must say that i'm less concerned about the cabinet and the personal future of any israelis, what i want is for israel to win the war and defend its sovereignty and civilians. and i think that this comment these allegations by the icc, they are counterproductive, and what they may lead to in israel is increased pressure from israelis or the idf to be much tougher... it’s pressure from israelis or the idf to be much tougher. . ._ be much tougher... it's interesting ou sa be much tougher... it's interesting you say that _ be much tougher... it's interesting you say that because _ be much tougher... it's interesting you say that because the _ be much tougher... it's interesting you say that because the chief- you say that because the chief prosecutor said no foot soldier and commander or civilian leader, no one can act with impunity, the law cannot be applied selectively. as a former idf member, obviously, there are most of these warrants, all of these warrants are targeted at

political leaders, would there be concerns among generals within the idf? i concerns among generals within the idf? ~ g, a, , concerns among generals within the idf? ~ ., a, , a, a, idf? i think there already are, and talk about it _ idf? i think there already are, and talk about it in _ idf? i think there already are, and talk about it in israel about - talk about it in israel about generals being silent arrest warrants, which is a mechanism the icc has, and there are preparations for it, something is really commanders take into consideration, and i have to say it is representative —— reprehensible. these allegations, he can talk about impunity and not being above the law, him bundling together democratically elected leaders and appointed ministers of a democracy pointed for its survival together with terrorists. he pointed for its survival together with terrorists.— pointed for its survival together with terrorists. he does not meet karen parsons — with terrorists. he does not meet karen parsons between _ with terrorists. he does not meet karen parsons between the - with terrorists. he does not meet karen parsons between the sides| with terrorists. he does not meet - karen parsons between the sidesjust karen parsons between the sides just to lay out the claim that they both committed crimes against humanity. i think it's ridiculous, there is one side limited intentional genocide of another side and that is hamas, with the implicit intention, statement and actions to get as many dues as

they can, israel is protecting itself against aggression. these are at a stronger and has more weapons and may seem the stronger side, but at the end of the side —— today, october seven was aggression against 0ctober seven was aggression against israel. brute october seven was aggression against israel. ~ ., ~ october seven was aggression against israel. ~ . ,, . ,, , israel. we talked about the splits in the cabinet, _ israel. we talked about the splits in the cabinet, yoav _ israel. we talked about the splits in the cabinet, yoav gallant - israel. we talked about the splits in the cabinet, yoav gallant and i israel. we talked about the splits i in the cabinet, yoav gallant and the opposition leader says that there needs to be a day after plan which is not there at the moment, and it seems to me last week they were putting mr netanyahu unnoticed. tonight, the us secretary of state antony blinken has said he believes a number of countries could play insurance arose in an interim basis insurance arose in an interim basis in a post war gaza, do you think that would be welcome by the war cabinet? i that would be welcome by the war cabinet? ~' ., , . cabinet? i think it would be and i think there _ cabinet? i think it would be and i think there would _ cabinet? i think it would be and i think there would be _ cabinet? i think it would be and i think there would be a _ cabinet? i think it would be and i think there would be a lot - cabinet? i think it would be and i think there would be a lot of- think there would be a lot of israelis who would happily see that happen. after hamas is decisively defeated. i don't think anything positive long term sustainable, positive, it would in gaza before hamas is defeated and most

importantly defeated in such a way that palestinians believe and understand that the way ofjihad, the way of terrorism against israelis is a dead end and there must be alternative, a palestinian alternative to hamas. jack blanchard. _ alternative to hamas. jack blanchard, very _ alternative to hamas. jack blanchard, very positive i alternative to hamas. jack| blanchard, very positive -- alternative to hamas. jack blanchard, very positive —— powerful speech from michael gove today who echoed what we heard from joe biden said in the icc decision. he questioned white bashar al—assad has probably give more, is not pursued by the icc, but it puts the british government in a fix if the warrant is served. it government in a fix if the warrant is served. ., , government in a fix if the warrant is served. . , ., government in a fix if the warrant is served. ., ., , _, is served. it has not been welcomed in downin: is served. it has not been welcomed in downing street, _ is served. it has not been welcomed in downing street, a _ is served. it has not been welcomed in downing street, a very _ is served. it has not been welcomed in downing street, a very tense - in downing street, a very tense moment— in downing street, a very tense moment for the icc to and done this, completely— moment for the icc to and done this, completely unexpectedly months seems to have _ completely unexpectedly months seems to have taken people by surprise here _ to have taken people by surprise here and — to have taken people by surprise here and in capitals around the world, — here and in capitals around the world, and _ here and in capitals around the world, and isjust, britain has been

working _ world, and isjust, britain has been working tirelessly to try to negotiate some sort of temporary cease-fire — negotiate some sort of temporary cease—fire or cessation of hostilities to get more aid in and what _ hostilities to get more aid in and what is _ hostilities to get more aid in and what is clearly a humanitarian crisis. — what is clearly a humanitarian crisis. and _ what is clearly a humanitarian crisis, and i don't think this move by the _ crisis, and i don't think this move by the icc— crisis, and i don't think this move by the kc is _ crisis, and i don't think this move by the icc is seen as helpful from that point— by the icc is seen as helpful from that point of view month but that does _ that point of view month but that does not — that point of view month but that does not mean that british things everything is rosy in the way israel is conducting itself in the way to the atrocities, we heard that from david _ the atrocities, we heard that from david cameron repeatedly, but i don't _ david cameron repeatedly, but i don't think this is been helpful. the same — don't think this is been helpful. the same is true, stephanie, in the united states, the president and the secretary of state announced it loudly, saying he's not walking away from israel, but he held back the £2000 1's, from israel, but he held back the £20001's, and if from israel, but he held back the £2000 1's, and if you from israel, but he held back the £20001's, and if you thought this was being conducted proportionally, why did he do that? i was being conducted proportionally, why did he do that?— why did he do that? i worked at the department — why did he do that? i worked at the department of _ why did he do that? i worked at the department of defence when - why did he do that? i worked at the department of defence when the i why did he do that? i worked at the| department of defence when the us was in _ department of defence when the us was in the _ department of defence when the us was in the war— department of defence when the us was in the war of— department of defence when the us was in the war of terrier— department of defence when the us was in the war of terrier and - department of defence when the us was in the war of terrier and the - was in the war of terrier and the

reality— was in the war of terrier and the reality with _ was in the war of terrier and the reality with a _ was in the war of terrier and the reality with a counterterrorism l reality with a counterterrorism effort, — reality with a counterterrorism effort, the _ reality with a counterterrorism effort, the war— reality with a counterterrorism effort, the war is— reality with a counterterrorism effort, the war is fought - reality with a counterterrorism effort, the war is fought on . reality with a counterterrorisml effort, the war is fought on the battlefield _ effort, the war is fought on the battlefield as— effort, the war is fought on the battlefield as well— effort, the war is fought on the battlefield as well in _ effort, the war is fought on the battlefield as well in the - effort, the war is fought on the battlefield as well in the courtl battlefield as well in the court of opinion, — battlefield as well in the court of opinion, and _ battlefield as well in the court of opinion, and the _ battlefield as well in the court of opinion, and the president - battlefield as well in the court of opinion, and the president heldl battlefield as well in the court of- opinion, and the president held back a very— opinion, and the president held back a very narrow— opinion, and the president held back a very narrow set _ opinion, and the president held back a very narrow set of _ opinion, and the president held back a very narrow set of weapons - opinion, and the president held back a very narrow set of weapons that, l a very narrow set of weapons that, you know. — a very narrow set of weapons that, you know. more _ a very narrow set of weapons that, you know. more of— a very narrow set of weapons that, you know, more of a _ a very narrow set of weapons that, you know, more of a symbolic- you know, more of a symbolic message, _ you know, more of a symbolic message, cautioning - you know, more of a symbolic message, cautioning israel. you know, more of a symbolicl message, cautioning israel not you know, more of a symbolic- message, cautioning israel not to conduct _ message, cautioning israel not to conduct the — message, cautioning israel not to conduct the war— message, cautioning israel not to conduct the war in _ message, cautioning israel not to conduct the war in a _ message, cautioning israel not to conduct the war in a way- message, cautioning israel not to conduct the war in a way which i message, cautioning israel not to conduct the war in a way which it| conduct the war in a way which it loses _ conduct the war in a way which it loses public— conduct the war in a way which it loses public opinion _ conduct the war in a way which it loses public opinion because - conduct the war in a way which it loses public opinion because youj loses public opinion because you need _ loses public opinion because you need public— loses public opinion because you need public opinion _ loses public opinion because you need public opinion in _ loses public opinion because you need public opinion in order- loses public opinion because you need public opinion in order to. need public opinion in order to win on the _ need public opinion in order to win on the battlefield _ need public opinion in order to win on the battlefield as _ need public opinion in order to win on the battlefield as well. - need public opinion in order to win on the battlefield as well. the - on the battlefield as well. the prosecutor — on the battlefield as well. the prosecutor was _ on the battlefield as well. the prosecutor was supposed on the battlefield as well. prosecutor was supposed to on the battlefield as well.- prosecutor was supposed to fly on the battlefield as well- prosecutor was supposed to fly to the regent to do it some of this work, and the feeling is in the american camp he short—circuited that but largely because of the eight operation on the ground and the way that it is unfolded in recent weeks with the increased operations around rafah, do you think that me have tipped the balance for the prosecution here? i

would not imagine that was one of his considerations, and a word about the age of rafah and gaza, and the situation rafah, it was told by many self—appointed specialist that it would not be possible to evacuate the population from rafah. that was said and repeated ad nauseam. today, we have reports by one rat and idf that thousands of palestinians have beenindeed that thousands of palestinians have been indeed evacuated safely from rafah, which paves the way for a measured and surgical strike of hamas in rafah and i'm sure that many people are not happy about it, but that is what israel said it would do, it would move people out of the week to a safer area in gaza a month so that pricing can continue. about aid, it has been reported and even verified by cnn and reuters and others that almost all of the aid provided through the newly built us peer in gaza was

received that enjoyment where houses and then stolen by palestinians. it has not been said if it was stolen by hamas or anybody else, but almost all of the truck loads that were stolen. ., , , all of the truck loads that were stolen. . , , ., all of the truck loads that were stolen. ., , , . , ., stolen. on that issue, and if you ardon stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the _ stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the pun. _ stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the pun, that _ stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the pun, that is - stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the pun, that is a - stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the pun, that is a drop i stolen. on that issue, and if you pardon the pun, that is a drop in the ocean of what is actually required, 1000 trucks a day were going into gaza, i know we are down to, i don't know where we are at currently, but did it is somewhere about 200, and people that we have had on a programme said that the camp you are moving these people to from rafah is not supplied with aid, and not enough it is going in through those entry points from the egyptian site in rafah, so when with the israeli government step up the eight operation? i the israeli government step up the eight operation?— the israeli government step up the eight operation? i don't agree with ou, i eight operation? i don't agree with you. i think — eight operation? i don't agree with you. i think aid _ eight operation? i don't agree with you, i think aid has _ eight operation? i don't agree with you, i think aid has been _ eight operation? i don't agree with you, i think aid has been stepped i eight operation? i don't agree with i you, i think aid has been stepped up dramatically, and there's been more than 500 truckloads of aid delivered

everything through to old ground crossings, once it's new crossing built by israel, and via the air, not so much now but more so before, and the sea. not so much now but more so before, and the sea-— and the sea. you cannot guarantee that where — and the sea. you cannot guarantee that where that _ and the sea. you cannot guarantee that where that is _ and the sea. you cannot guarantee that where that is going _ and the sea. you cannot guarantee that where that is going because i and the sea. you cannot guarantee. that where that is going because aid workers are not on the other side, and desperate people will take the aid. it and desperate people will take the aid. , ., and desperate people will take the aid. ,., ,, , aid. it is not disreputable, it is robabl aid. it is not disreputable, it is probably hamas _ aid. it is not disreputable, it is probably hamas in _ aid. it is not disreputable, it is probably hamas in cahoots - aid. it is not disreputable, it is| probably hamas in cahoots with unrwa, who was access to that, and it wasn't a mass of hungry people in protestant who stormed the warehouses and exited, and i believe thatis warehouses and exited, and i believe that is part of issue, i agree the situation in gaza is horrible, not what israel or anybody with a heart anybody want, but the situation is the responsibility of hamas and what israel is trying to do to deliver and briskly flood the gaza strip with aid. the problem is the final step of distribution, and that needs to be fixed. i think more could have

been done faster, i agree, and there should have been a better plan in place to supplement and then phase out unrwa, because they've been part of the problem in gaza, not the solution and israel should have done that better but at the end of the day it is coming, actually more food and water than before the war. brute and water than before the war. we have to leave it there, jonathan thank you for coming in on the programme and given your thoughts, we will talk plenty more about the situation in the middle east, the other side of the big, stay with us.

closely linked to what we have spoken about in the last ten minutes or so. the communities secretary michael gove says britain risks "descending into darkness" if it fails to tackle growing anti—semitism in the wake of the seven 0ctober attacks. in his speech, the secretary of state criticised the organisers of pro—palestine marches,

at which thousands of people have regularly marched through london and other cities, for not doing more to prevent symbols of anti—jewish hate appearing. growing anti—semitism is a fever that weakens the whole body politic. it is a mark of a society turning to darkness and in on itself. and i see that directly in my work tackling extremism and promoting community cohesion. the community security trust, which provides security advice to thejewish community, says the number of anti semitic incidents reported last were at a record high. there were 4,103 instances of anti—jewish hate in 2023. that's is a 1a7% rise from the 1,662 anti—semitic incidents in 2022, which is 81% higher than the previous year. about two—thirds of the total attacks last year took place after the october 7th attacks. mr gove's speech coincides with the publication of a report

by the government's independent adviser on political violence, lord walney. it calls for a ban on protest groups organising or raising money if they cause "serious disruption to influence government or public debate". it's an interesting topic, jack, because there has been a debate for some weeks about where the boundary should be set between the right to protest and the right for everyone else not to be disrupted, and its pertinence in the united states as well. did the government get it right today? do you agree that we are descending into darkness as michael gove characterised it? michael gove characterised it? michael gove characterised it? michael gove likes use rhetorical purchases, he's an impressive public speaker— purchases, he's an impressive public speaker and — purchases, he's an impressive public speaker and was how to use dramatic language _ speaker and was how to use dramatic language to _ speaker and was how to use dramatic language to capture headlines, i'm not sure _ language to capture headlines, i'm not sure if— language to capture headlines, i'm not sure if we are descending into darkness, — not sure if we are descending into darkness, would not put it that firmly. — darkness, would not put it that firmly, but there is no doubt the rising _ firmly, but there is no doubt the rising anti—semitism is real and horrific— rising anti—semitism is real and horrific you _ rising anti—semitism is real and horrific you will have to talk to

you or — horrific you will have to talk to you or people to see how that is making — you or people to see how that is making them feel. whether that means that britain— making them feel. whether that means that britain needs to change its long—standing approach to process is not necessarily follow, and the government has not actually said what _ government has not actually said what it _ government has not actually said what it will do yet in response to the report, — what it will do yet in response to the report, it is only noted it and indicated — the report, it is only noted it and indicated it— the report, it is only noted it and indicated it will try to take action but we _ indicated it will try to take action but we have not seen anything from the government yet, it is a very hot topic— the government yet, it is a very hot topic issue — the government yet, it is a very hot topic issue to dive into in an eiection— topic issue to dive into in an election year. the police have successfully stopped the protests descending into any mass violence which _ descending into any mass violence which is _ descending into any mass violence which is great but obviously people are not— which is great but obviously people are not happy which and how they been _ are not happy which and how they been policed in some other ways. there _ been policed in some other ways. there are — been policed in some other ways. there are lots of people who think the government need to take action, but to— the government need to take action, but to do— the government need to take action, but to do it _ the government need to take action, but to do it before an election seems — but to do it before an election seems both to me because it would be a hugely— seems both to me because it would be a hugely contentious thing to do, the right— a hugely contentious thing to do, the right to protest and disrupt has stood _ the right to protest and disrupt has stood in _ the right to protest and disrupt has stood in this country for a long time _ stood in this country for a long time and — stood in this country for a long time and so anytime the government tries to _ time and so anytime the government tries to make changes to that has to be thought—

tries to make changes to that has to be thought through very carefully and an— be thought through very carefully and an impact on democracy can be real~ _ and an impact on democracy can be real. ,, , . , , , real. stephanie, this is pertinent where you _ real. stephanie, this is pertinent where you are — real. stephanie, this is pertinent where you are as _ real. stephanie, this is pertinent where you are as well, _ real. stephanie, this is pertinent where you are as well, of- real. stephanie, this is pertinent| where you are as well, of course, not least because of the destruction on the university campuses. do you think there's an effort politically in america at the moment to redefine process or is it a sensitive topic because these people are protected by the first amendment rights? it is a sensitive by the first amendment rights? it 3 a sensitive topic because the first amendment rights among american is one of the most cherished rights, but what is happening among college campuses and through the community is anti—semitic and often crosses the line from that —— clean and free speech to vandalism or hate speech or impeding peoples access to classrooms or impeding other peoples rights, and i think that is where the line has to be drawn, when people start breaking the law. they can speak all of their want, it is their actions that are problematic. michael gove want on to say it's an

ironclad law of history that countries descending into darkness are those becoming progressively more unsafe orjewish individuals and thejewish committee, the inquisition at the end of the 19 hundreds and germany, in that light, how should we view this video. michael gove went onto say that it's an ironclad law of history that countries descending into darkness are those which are becoming progressively more unsafe forjewish individuals and thejewish community — the spain of the inquisition, the vienna of the 1900s, germany in the 30s. ? germany in the 305? so in that light, how should we view this video put out by donald trump5 campaign, on truth social, which refers to the setting of a "unified reich", if trump were elected president in november. what happens after donald trump win5? what is next for america? the economy bum5, american energy is unleashed, and answered questions taxing taxes. the border is closed and it largest deportation in america is under way, no more war5 as we focus on home law and order is restored, the american dream is back, and the best is yet to come. make america great again.

trump's campaign claimed a staffer did not see the word "reich" before the video was re—posted. although that doesn't explain why it was still up this morning despite us networks going to town on it. the biden campaign was quick to react. "donald trump is not playing games, he is telling american exactly what he intends to do if he regain5 power: rule as a dictator over a unified reich". politically, stephanie, i cannot understand this, because they have plenty of people on these campu5e5 who could come their way, and to put out a statement like that, which includes the word right, twojewish students who are not enamoured by joe biden is policy, seems a bit stupid. it joe biden is policy, seems a bit stuid. , ., , stupid. it is not the first time we've seen — stupid. it is not the first time we've seen trump _ stupid. it is not the first time we've seen trump world - stupid. it is not the first time we've seen trump world flirt | stupid. it is not the first time - we've seen trump world flirt with anti—semitism, express admiration for people who do that. as you may recall, we had the charlottesville

process where the former president said there were good people on both sides of that process, so he is known to have dinner with known anti—semites, so it is not the first time, but she always leaves enough space or possible deniability. he did the knights, said he was in court all the yesterday and did not support it, maybe that is what the campaign will rest on. we are up against the brick plenty more to talk about in terms of migration, do stay with us for that. hello, thanks forjoining me. we had some wet weather today, but wednesday for some of us is going to be a wash—out. persistent rain, heavy at times, on the way, and it's starting this evening. now, here's the forecast. it's already been quite wet in east anglia and the south—east. the rain will spread into the midlands through the night. it'll nudge into the peak district and then spread into northern england by the early hours of wednesday morning. could reach eastern parts of wales too. but scotland and northern ireland, apart from a few showers

here and there, actually looking generally dry. so tomorrow's forecast, then. this is the morning, a widespread area of rain. we'll zoom in and see what's happening around 3pm or 4pm in the afternoon. now, by that stage, i think the heaviest of the rain will have cleared east anglia, the south—east, and along the southern counties, blustery winds and occasional showers. so here's that persistent rain from the midlands, wales, the north of england, pretty much almost everywhere. that rain's just nudging into southern scotland. more showery, though, across the highlands. but look at northern ireland — escapes most of the rain. if anything, that rain should reach you later in the afternoon, probablyjust into the east of northern ireland. now, this is an area of low pressure that's parked itself in the north sea, and that weather front will just spiral around the centre of the low. so in some areas, the rain will keep falling in the same place for a couple of days. so, really, a substantial amount of rainfall is possible. now, by thursday, the rain will be, well, not quite as heavy and it'll be more patchy, but i think a lot of cloud and at least the chance

of encountering some rain on thursday. best of the weather in the south, the south—east, as well as east anglia. infact, in norwich, london, portsmouth, plymouth, it could actually end up being a fairly bright, if not sunny, day, but cool. now, how much rain are we going to get? well, through wednesday and thursday, a lot. now, these teal colours here across the pennines and generally northern england could indicate as much as a0 to 50 millimetres of rain. but the met office is suggesting that in some spots, in the extreme case, we could have as much as 100 millimetres of rain or more, and that will lead to some flooding. now, here's the good news. as we head towards the end of the week and into the weekend, the weather will slowly settle down. and there are indications that as we go through the weekend into bank holiday monday, we are going to have primarily dry and bright weather with just a scattering of showers, so some good news for you there. bye— bye.