colleague and friend, amber vinson and dr. craig spencer. i hope that people understand that this illness and whole experience has been very challenging and stressful for me and my family. although i no longer have ebola, i know that it may be a while before i have my strength back. so with gratitude and respect for everyone's concern, i ask for my privacy and for my family's privacy to be respected as a return to texas and try to get back to a normal life and reunite with my dog bentley. thank you, everyone. [ applause ] >> thank you very much, nina. before i open it up for questions, i want to recognize two people who really helped us in linking with nina and getting to know her as essentially a member of our family at nih and

that is nina's mother diana and her sister kathy. [ applause ] okay. so questions? >> dr. fauci, how do you know that she is virus-free? what did you do for her while she was here at nih? >> well, we know she's virus-free because we now have five negative -- consecutive negative pcrs on her. now, i don't want anyone to take from that that is the norm and standard that you can only guarantee someone is virus-free if you do five. we did five because this is a research institution but that's not the norm. we provided her with supportive care, which is something i've been saying all along, that one of the most important things in bringing back an ebola patient to health is to give them the kind of medical general support to allow their own body to then

be able to fight off the virus and essentially get rid of the virus. >> [ inaudible ]. >> a more broad question, given all of the concerns with what is happening with the doctor in new york city right now, should americans returning from the ebola zone be forced into a more strict or mandatory quarantine? >> that is something that is right now on the very active discussion and you'll be hearing shortly about what the guidelines will be but i want to point out, to remember that it isn't just the cdc and the federal government but the states have an awful lot to say about what happens when people come in. but you'll be hearing more of that. >> your take right now, because there's real concern if you went to a bowling alley or sat on a subway car, you might be in trouble. is that a reasonable concern? >> the way you get ebola is by

direct contact with the body kn fluids of an ill individual. if you don't have that, you don't have to worry about ebola. it's important to point out that you must separate the issue of the risk to a general public with the risk with brave people like nina and her colleagues. they are two different things. nina put herself in a situation where she knew it was a risk but because of her character and her bravery and that of her colleagues in the field, she happened to unfortunately get infected. that's a different story from the general public. she was with a very sick person. >> what have you learned by treating nina pham? what have you learned and what experimental drugs, if any, have you used and what will you help dr. spencer in recovering? >> first of all, we did not administer to nina any experimental drugs while she was here under our care.

we have a considerable amount of laboratory data. remember, this is only one patient. we are in contact and in discussion with our colleagues at emory and nebraska. we continually compare notes back and forth. it's important to understand that it's a public health issue and there's the scientific issue of understanding what is going on and that's essentially what we do here. primarily it's the care of the patient first but together with that is to learn information that might help others. now, that's easy to do when you have a whole bunch of people that you can collect data on. but when you have one or two or three, you've got to focus very much and try to get enough information where gradually we'll be able to say things to help others who are taking care of other patients. that's why we may have done different kinds of lab tests or more of them. that doesn't mean that everybody has to do that but we're trying to learn more from that.

>> dr. fauci, why is it taking so long to get an ebola vaccine? there were reports that there was one a decade ago for human testing. >> to get a vaccine, you have to separate that from a vaccine candidate. if it's something that you could distribute, since seebl a disease that has outbreaks and disappears, it's very difficult to be able to prove something accept in the setting of disease, which we're actually trying very hard to do right now when we go from a phase one study where we show it's safe and that it induces a response that you could from dikt would be protective. we're planning a larger efficacy trial, to be able to do that as some other design. in direct answer to your question, you might recall that we started on this ten years ago and we've done different iterations of improvements. one must appreciate that the incentive for a pharmaceutical

company to get involved in putting a major investment to develop a vaccine for a disease that, up until this outbreak, had less than 2500 people infected. we did not have the kind of incentiveon the part of the industry. we certainly have that now. it's not essentially a scientific obstacle and was not an obstacle of wanting to have one. it was the ability to bring all of the cards together to get that. >> the ability to get funding? >> well, first of all, the funding one is a very complicated issue. i think we should put that off the table because we're really talking about what we're doing right now. and we're on the way in the sense that we have the capability and resources to do the trial that hopefully will start in the beginning of 2015. >> can you pinpoint a turning point in nurse pham's care where

you saw things turning around? >> well, you know, i don't want to make an absolute statement on that because, remember, she was taken care of by very good people in two separate hospitals. so when she was in texas presbyterian, she was in the process of actually doing better. she came to us and she continued to do better and better. we both supported her so i can't pinpoint in one patient what was the turning point. the only thing that we're really happy about, the turning point occurred. >> was the plasma donation from dr. brantly the -- >> was the plasma transfusion from dr. kent brantly? certainly that could be the case but, remember, when you have so many separate factors at the same time going into the care of a patient and the end is won for this patient, it's virtually impossible to say this is the

thing that did it and this is the thing that didn't do it. it's impossible to do. i'm not trying to evade it. that's the reason you want to do cl clinical studies where you can actually get that information so the next time we have an outbreak we can say this is the recommendation because we know it works. at this point, everything is experimental and that's what we're trying to do, take the experimental and make it evidence. >> dr. anthony fauci standing in front of nina pham in the green shirt, black jacket, who is flanked by her sister and mother. after suffering through a deadly disease of ebola, she's standing on her own the day she's being released from the bethesda, maryland, institution. she was thanking those who took care of her and particularly reaching out to dr. kent brantly who also went through this problem but donated blood plasma for her care. she thanked him directly. as we learned from dr. anthony

fauci, that was her care, that transfusion. she received no experimental drugs. great news to see her looking as good as she does. the good news is that she has pulled through. joining me to talk about this fantastic development, dr. alexander van tulleken along with sanjay gupta is joining us on the phone. great news. perhaps not unexpected considering her condition had improved over the last few days. but still, i'm a little surprised to hear all of these success stories in america and so few of them elsewhere. >> that's right, ashleigh. mortality rate can be as high as 90% in some of the previous outbreaks. that speaks to a very important point. dr. fauci mentioned this. but the bottom line ultimately for these patients is that their

own immune systems, if they are healthy, can ultimately fight this virus if they are just supported and that means giving them fluids, making sure they don't become too dehydrated, if they have any bleeding problems, giving blood back. she received the blood transfusion, as you mentioned, from dr. kent brantly. he fought ebola and succeeded and we don't know for sure if that's what helped. some of this stuff has never been done before. some of these medications have never been given to humans before. we don't know still if that works but someone who started off healthy and their immune system and support with fluids and basic things can make a recovery. dr. kent brantly, nancy writebol, amber vinson, nina

pham, ashoko mukpo. >> the key is getting at it early but if you're in the health care system in the united states, you can beat this. >> i think you're absolutely right. we know that early diagnosis and treatment make as massive difference. we can't give up on west africa. this is the real concern, there's a fatality about this. saying that nothing can be done, it's out of control, it's out of control in africa because one or two organizations are doing the work and doctors without borders are dealing with the vast amount of work. >> these doctors are taking a real hit as well. many of them getting sick. let me ask sanjay about that as well. a lot of people have been talking about the need for quarantine, people who are either arriving here, having

treated patients in west africa or american who is have gone on missionary work and returned. is that something now that we're seeing so much in terms of those who treat the sick getting sick? is that something that really needs to be codified in a way? >> well, you know, the science would suggest -- and i think very strongly -- that somebody who is not sick is not going to be infectious, is not going to transmit this virus. you take the case of dr. spencer. he wasn't sick. he developed a low-grade fever, 100.3 and my guess is that there's absolutely no chance that he infected anybody else. so it worked the way that it's supposed to work. it was interesting, ashleigh, this morning i was reached out to by some administration officials and they said, look, we just want to tell you that we're considering the idea of a quarantine for these returning health care workers from west

africa but they are very careful to say, we are acknowledging that there is some public fear here and you don't want to be dismissive of that but that doesn't change the science. the science is the science. people that are not sick are not a risk. workers should not be sick this morning as dr. van tulleken said he would go on the subway, bowl in that bowling alley. i think it's an important message. we could potentially spread so much misinformation that fosters fear, we have to be careful not to do anything that is confusing or contradictory and there has been confusing messages. >> absolutely. i think you've been so clear about that, sanjay. these protocols, the detailed protocols this is not something

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clock dealing with the first case of ebola now. 33-year-old craig spencer, a doctor who served in guinea with doctors without borders has now himself tested positive for ebola. and before he felt sick, he was out and about the city taking the subway, going bowling. he clearly did not self-quarantine and now an obama administration official says the united states is considering a mandatory quarantine for all returning health care workers coming from west africa. officials don't believe there's a risk of transmission from someone not showing the symptoms but they want to reassure the public. speaking of reassuring the public, that's what new york officials are doing now, telling people that the subways are safe. governor andrew cuomo said on "new day" that new york is ready. >> we've been preparing for this for weeks. we've been running drills.

we have the equipment. we had the training. health care workers feel like they can control it. >> the cdc has sent a three-person group to the cdc in atlanta as well to double-confirm his initial positive test results. those results from the cdc are expected very soon. before dr. spencer felt the symptoms, he went for a three-mile jog, visited a bowling alley in brooklyn named the gutter and traveled on three of new york city's subway lines. that gave people a lot of jitters. so earlier this morning, new york mayor de blasio tweeted this out. it's a picture of himself riding the rails. wanted to reassure people. he said this "we are working very closely with our state and federal partners to protect the health of all new yorkers. i want to get an update now on

dr. spencer's condition. for that, we go straight to elizabeth cohen who is live outside of bellevue hospital center in new york, which is where dr. spencer is being treated. he's not the only person in that hospital as well because of this. update me on the entire story if you would, liz wet. >> reporter: well, right now all we know is he's in good shape. i think we are seeing a pattern here, ashleigh, that you were just discussing, which is that when this disease is caught early, when you get good medical care, the prospects are very bright. we are seeing every u.s. ebola patient survive, except, unfortunately, thomas duncan passed away. but he did not care very quickly. of course, we are hoping for this same outcome for dr. spencer. >> all right. elizabeth cohen live for us outside of bellevue hospital, thank you for that.

you're probably noticing as well, we have a small box and that's because there's a series of lights set up. we're waiting for a live news conference from the mayor himself, from bill de blasio. if you don't already know this, this is an unusual series of situations where the doctor completed his work in guinea back on october 12th and left october 14th. then, five days later, after he completed his work on the 17th of october, he arrived here in new york city at jfk international airport, still feeling fine, no symptoms, no suggestion he was afflicted. on october 21st, three days after arriving at the airport in new york city, he began to feel sort of sluggish. so he started self-monitoring and taking his temperature twice a day and then on the 22nd, wednesday, he went for a three-mile run, he went to a restaurant, he visited new york

city's highline park, a very popular place for yorkers and tourists alike. he traveled to brooklyn and did that via subway. all of this on the 22nd. at night, instead of coming back home to manhattan after his outings, he didn't take the subway. he instead ordered an uber taxi and went from the bowling alley back to manhattan. on the 23rd, a temperature of 103 degrees fahrenheit, nausea, fatigue. he makes the phone call right away to the new york fire department. and guess what's happening now. as you would expect, those who live in his neighborhood, those in the apartment complex very concerned. these are live pictures outside of spencer's new york apartment. we saw barricades going up,

bicycle rack barricades. there's a plan to do a disinfecting of his apartment as well. our jean casarez is live on location there and she's sort of collecting all of the details of tw what is happening. >> reporter: ashleigh, we're right across the street from the apartment complex. this is where dr. spencer was when he had that 103-degree temperature and was taken to bellevue. we're waiting for all of the trucks to come to sanitize the apartment and one has already arrived. it is a white truck. these are outside contractors that they are getting and the outside of the truck says regulated medical waste. a bit ago, they opened up the back of the truck and there were blue barrels, sealed blue barrels inside that truck. the men that were in that truck do not have the hazmat suits on but they have taken a few items inside the apartment complex but we're waiting for more to come. now, what are they going to do

when they get in there? we understand that they are going to take sheets, towels, tooth brushes, anything that could have the bodily fluids of dr. spencer on there. they will met tech cue lousily sanitize and clean that apartment. it will take hours. when they are done, they say it will be ready for dr. spencer to come back after he no longer has the ebola virus. there is trash on the street and earlier today the new york police department environmental police actually took photographs of all of that trash and then left. why? we don't know. but they wanted to document the trash that was outside his apartment building. ashleigh? >> it's still sitting out there right now? you can see it from your vantage point? >> yeah. we are seeing it. my photo journalist is right here. >> those are live pictures, they photographed it and left.

i also saw nypd officers taking their gloves off and throwing it in some outdoor trash barrels right in that neighborhood which seemed odd. they were not wearing hazmat suits but they were wearing latex gloves and masks and taking the gloves off and throwing them. quick question about the neighborhood itself. i can't see many people out on the sidewalks but i do know that there were pamphlets and fly we ares flyers being handed out. what are the neighbors being told or how are they being communicated to? the reason i don't see anyone on the sidewalk is we panned over. everyone is being held at bay by the bicycle rack barricades on the other side of the street. >> the people are very concerned here. i've spoken with a number of locals here and it's a solemn feel right here because this is the apartment, this is where dr. spencer lived and really self-diagnosed himself when he got that fever. what is happening, we understand

that they are taking volunteers and training them today for outreach to educate the people. and there will also be flyers that will be distributed probably this afternoon around the community and i spoke with one lady who said, i'm scared. i have a child right here. so i think the point is that people do need to be educated. we know that it's passed only by bodily fluids but i think it's very alarming to some. >> they are not only still to hand out nflyers but those that live in dr. spencer's building because one of the neighbors named eugene said that it read "ebola at risk." it explained the virus and the symptoms. they were telling folks that they are all safe, quote, that

it's safe for them to be in the building and to go to their apartment and walk down the street. that's interesting given the fact that they can't walk down that side of the street right now. this was according to sam miller, new york city department of health and mental hygiene. jean, stand by for a moment. obviously there's very heavy media presence. this is a living and working community. it's hard to shut down one of the neighborhoods in new york city. but an interesting scene playing out with hazmat arriving to disi infect the apartment. the metropolitan transportation authority, the ones with jurisdiction of the trains underground here, they issued a statement to explain what the protocols are for cleaning not only their buses but their subway cars as well. this comes courtesy of kevin ortiz, the mta spokesperson. this is what he says.

"the mta has existing protocols for cleaning potentially infectious waste such as bodily fluids from anywhere in the mass transit network. they include isolating a bus, train car or subway car so no other customers can enter providing personal protective equipment and training for employee who is have to remove the waste and then ensuring that it is disposed of safely." and it's kind of foreboding but the message says "more to come". >> i take those trains, i took those trains yesterday. so a lot of concern in the city. headlines in all of the papers screaming that ebola has hit new york city. the mayor is not only riding the rails today, going underground trying to assure new yorkers that it swelled upwards of 10, 1

the mayor is expected at any moment. we have our live mikes ready to go. expecting to hear from the new york city mayor on the first case of ebola. in fact, we are not going to go to break because we hear he's entering the room. we're not exactly sure who is going to flank him at this news conference and which of the public health officials will be able to address the concerns of new york city and of the patient being treated at bellevue center right now but obviously with this many people, something has to be said about the circumstances that the city is under and the close quarters everybody maintains from grocery stores to gyms to parking areas to mass transit hospitals. everything. everything is within walking distance and it's the city that doesn't sleep because there's always something you can hear and people you can see. so one case of ebola in the city, obviously a grave case of concern. i want to mention to you, there

was a special ambulance that was used, a whole unit used to transport dr. greg spencer when he went to the hospital and let's listen in and hear what they have to say. >> i want to give you a briefing and i'm going to raise some items from last night and then we'll be adding information. you'll hear from my colleagues and then we'll take questions f from the media. yesterday we announced that a patient at bellevue hospital had tested positive for ebola. i want to repeat what i said last night. there is no cause for alarm.

new yorkers need to understand the situation is being handled and handled well. there's no cause for every day new yorkers to be alarmed. ebola is an extremely hard disease to contract. it's transmitted only through direct contact with blood or other bodily fluids of another individual. only through that direct and intimate contact can the disease be transmitted. it cannot be transmitted through casual contact or in airborne fashion. new yorkers who have not been exposed to an infected person's bodily fluids are simply not at risk and there's no reason for new yorkers to change their daily routine in any way. i want to talk about some of the people who are here with us at this point and i want to say at the outset, every new yorker should be proud of the leaders of our city agencies who have

responded with extraordinary ability. we should be very proud of the men and women who have done the work of addressing this crisis, the months of training and preparation that our city employees and our partners in the voluntary hospitals have put into this effort has paid off. the preparation levels were extraordinary. the leadership exhibited by the individuals surrounding me today, time and again proved to be ahead of the crisis. and that's why we have the situation under control because they planned for months and they've been working with extraordinarily capable new york city public employees. i want to thank our office of emergency management, commission joe espizito has done a tremendous job of bringing all of the pieces. many state and nonprofit in the

federal government working together. oem is in the corridor of that and he's been explaining to new yorkers and to the country about what is being done here. i want to thank him for his leadership and i want to thank fdny commissioner dan niboro. ems drilled for quite a while knowing the day might come when they have to receive a patient with ebola. the process played out exactly as the protocol dictated yesterday, literally to the t. i want to say to his whole team, i commend them for their prep railin rags that led to the transition yesterday. i want to thank our police leaders who are here, chief banks and chief waters for their leadership and the close koord anything with the nypd

throughout and i want to take about our health care leaders. we've kept in close contact with elected officials representing all neighborhoods of new york city. i want to thank them for their support. hold on one second. could we get that settled over there? i want to thank them for their support and their efforts to inform the public to help make sure people had information they needed when they needed it. that's been extraordinarily important to our effort to get clear and consistent information out. i want to thank all elected officials, particularly those with us here today. new york city council speaker, public advocate tish james, and manhattan president gail brewer. i want to thank them all for their partnership. let me emphasize what we have here in new york city that's so

crucial in this dynamic. we have the finest public health system not only in this country but everywhere in the world. it's a public health system that's been developed over decades. it is ready for extraordinary challenges and it's proving it as we speak. we are fully prepared to handle ebola. our medical experts here in the city have been studying this disease intensively and working closely with our federal partners and going so far as to consult with doctors in other parts of the country on the front line, including in atlanta and nebraska who have directly treated ebola patients. the partnership with the federal and state government has been consistent and seamless and that has been a very helpful in allowing us every precaution that we have to take and every precaution that we had to undertake and we've had clear and strong protocols since the beginning and they have been followed to the letter. the patient who tested positive

was taken to bellevue following those protocols. from the moment the call came in, the process proceeded exactly as dictated, interviewing the patient, having the facts, having an ems team that was specially trained, receive the patient, the handoff at bellevue as the training dictated. the patient is now being held in isolation at bellevue and poses no threat to others. the health department's team of disease detectives, it's a very important point, the health department has a team of experts who act as detectives would in a police investigation. they go and retrace all the contacts that the patient has had and they are trained to do so. they have been at work since the work came in, retracing all of the steps of the patient and we'll have a detailed delineation of those findings later in the day. the patient's fiancee is being

quarantined. and we are, as always, looking at each individual contact in determining whenever quarantine is necessary. we know, as was said last night, the patient took the subway, went to a bowling alley and went to a few other food establishments before being admitted to bellevue yesterday. so we've been able to retrace those steps. our teams have visited each of those establishments. i want to emphasize again, casual contact cannot lead to acquiring this disease. the only threat is if one has come in contact directly with the bodily fluids of someone who has this disease. before i turn to my colleagues, i want to raise one important point because people in a moment

of crisis always ask what can they do, what should they know? it's important that we help new yorkers understand the very crucial information that they need. we've made clear all the things that ebola is not. all the ways it does not transmit. but that still does not mean that people cannot do something to help in this crisis. first, if you or a loved one feels you may meet the qualifications, meaning, you have traveled to the three countries in west africa that are afflicted in the last 21 days and you have a fever and other symptoms, it is crucial to call 911 immediately, or go to a hospital emergency room. i want to emphasize, those are the only two acceptable actions. call 911 or go to a hospital emergency room. do not wait, do not hesitate, do

not wait to see if you get better. call 911 or go to an emergency room. if a loved one you fear may be afflicted and fits those criteria, call on their behalf to 911 or bring them to an emergency room. again, we have no other cases reported but it's important that people understand that is the protocol. second, we have to make sure that our medical professionals can focus on this properly. they do not need to have false reports or misleading dynamics clogging up their efforts which leads to something that every new yorker can do if they haven't already, which is to get a flu shot. sounds counterintuitive at first but it's very important. when you have the flu, it can seem like some of the same symptoms of ebola. every new yorker who gets a flu shot, it helps prevent flu in

the family and helps our medical team not have to deal with something that falsely indicates ebola. >> as the mayor of new york city tries to reassure the city of millions that they are okay, despite the fact that ebola has struck the big apple, he said that the protocols were followed when dr. spencer called in to suggest he indeed is having these symptoms and had indeed treated ebola patients in west africa. number two, he confirms the fact that dr. spencer's fiancee is being quarantined at this time. the pictures you're seeing right now are dr. spencer's apartments. presumably these are workers in some sense that have shown up to effectively sanitize the apartment where dr. spencer had been living right up until he went to the hospital. and also calling out to all in new york city, if they have been to west africa and have

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another day, another possible lone wolf attack. was it motivated by radical islam or motivated by racism or could it have been an extraordinarily disturbed man going on a rampage? armed with a hatchet, apparently stalking a group of four police officers in queens before lunging at the policemen and striking two of them. he hit one in the arm and one in the head. the two officers not hit, they shot and killed the attacker. the attacker is now identified as zale thompson. an innocent bystander gets into this story as well. a person is shot and is now recovering after going into surgery. our alexandra field is joining

us right now. what is the story of the two officers? >> one struck in the head is still in the hospital, the woman shot, still in the hospital but the others have been treated and checked out and released. this man was wielding a hatchet. police described him as zale thompson but the overwhelming question is, what could have possibly motivated this kind of gruesome and brutal attack on uniformed officers? it's a question that everyone is asking. ashleigh, we can for the get inside the mind of this man but we know what law enforcement personnel have been saying at this point. we know this is a man who converted to islam. at this point, authorities say that there are no ties.

they don't believe this attack was motivated by a religious extremism but they are taking a close look at his social media postings. and they are talking to people who know zale thompson and what would possess him to go after officers with a hatchet. >> this is just the latest -- i'm sure you have been thinking yourself -- in several attacks in a matter of days and weeks. officials are concerned that it may be tied to this message from isis. "if you're not able to find an ied or bullet, then single out the disbelieving american, frenchman, or any of their allies. smash his head with a rock, or slaughter him with a knife or run him over with your car."

joining me is cnn correspondent paul cruickshank. we always hear officials say it doesn't appear there's a necessarily tie to radical islam and then you see their facebook pages and you see the pictures they put up and it sure looks like there's ties to islamist. is this splitting hairs over what it is? >> the attacks quite clearly seem to be animated by radical islam. they wanted to travel and fight in syria, the same with the oklahoma beheading a few weeks ago. somebody who was posting images of the neen 9/11 attacks and bin laden on his facebook page. and then with this hatchet attack and then in the last few months he posted on an account saying he believed that jihad

was necessary, although cnn has not independently confirmed that. >> so i want to you listen to this sound from the former national counterterrorism center with our jim sciutto. have a listen to this. >> i would say the most likely type of attack is one of these home-grown and violent extremists, lone offenders in the united states perhaps. and the rise of isis and the number of people going to syria, whether they are fighting with isis or just in the conflict there against assad, the like likelihood goes up because of the people who have received training and radicalization. >> paul, with that in mind, is it possible that clearly some of these people are so troubled and so sick, we've heard just in the last two attacks alone and i didn't even include the other attack in ottawa where a

radicalized muslim ran them over with the car, they all seem to have a lot of trouble in their background, some drug addiction, alcoholism, i'm wondering if these are the kind of guys who would have shot at the movie theater or a school but found another reason to ply a trade they would have done already or if these are attacks truly inspired because of the messages and communications from isis. >> i think these are deeply political acts. they killed a canadian soldier by crashing a car into him on monday. they attacked the canadian parliament, the parliament that authorized canada to join the anti-isis coalition. these are people who are likely inspired by isis' message, which is that they should launch lone wolf attacks in the united states and canada. >> well, my question isn't -- it surely looks like they are inspired. read their facebook posts, for

heaven's sake. but would there have been an attack anyway, but are we seeing additional killings and attacks because of the urging of isis or are we just seeing crazy people to do otherwise? >> i don't think these people necessarily would have carried out violent attacks. i think they are seeing what isis is putting out there. sure, some of them sort of mentally are unstable and that could mean it's perhaps a narrow window to move from thought to action to violence. i don't think they necessarily would have carried out these attacks without the ideology which is inspiring them. >> paul cruickshank, thank you for that. coming up next, what do you suppose the reaction would be in canada after someone who is recently radicalized goes and

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as we slowly begin to learn more about an attack on a canadian parliament, corporal nathan cirillo will be transported to his hometown of hamilton, ontario. this will be a pretty solemn procession. while we're processing what happened and this shooter that was shot down, michael zehaf-bibeau, the video images emerge of the madman running straight up on to parliament hill. as you know, one soldier had already been killed. that was cirillo in cold blood. another soldier was injured. canada has lost her innocence.

the author of that tweet was john ivison, a columnist for "the washington post" in ottawa. we texted back and forth until you were locked down well into the night before you got that much needed glass of scotch. canadians are wasting no time, it seems, in taking legislative action with regard to what just happened. can you tell me what is happening in terms of trying to track extremism and stop it in its tracks? >> we don't know the details of what is going to happen but stephen harper, the prime minister, said yesterday that the police need new powers when it comes to surveillance and he didn't give any details. i think these plans were in the works already but they are going to be ex ppedited and that if y

condone or glorify terrorism online or in publication or in print, then you are committing an act. the big frustration with the gentleman who died earlier in the week after running over two soldiers, isis black flags on his computer, they were fully aware of this but they had no evidence to prosecute him. once these new laws go through, that will be an offense and people leak that will be picked up. john, can i ask you about something that you witnessed at the war memorial yesterday? i think an imam showed up with flowers. what has the reaction been in canada? >> i think the muslim community

is like others and i spoke to that imam and he wanted to pay his respects and this is the same place where all of the chaos unfolded a few days ago. people are crying. it's a very emotional place, very silent and very somber. people are -- they are angry but they are showing their respect right now. >> well, i am sorry you're going through this. but coming from somebody who lived through 9/11 and the end of innocence in this country effectively, i think you know what you're going through and i hope you will come to terms with this and in a solidarity kind of way, can make your way through it. thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you all for joining us

as well. happy friday. please stay tuned. my colleague wolf blitzer starts right now. hello, i'm wolf blitzer. it's 1:00 p.m. in washington, 8:00 p.m. in baghdad and wherever you are watching from around the world, thanks very much for joining us. we begin with breaking news on the ebola front. dallas nurse nina pham is now free of the virus. she's scheduled to meet with president obama at the white house at this hour. she spoke out a while ago at the national institutes of health in bethesda, maryland. she spoke right after being discharged from the hospital. [ applause ] >> good