million -- >> obviously not fit to be in the senate. we looked at all the options to try and prevent that from happening. >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> it's november 15th, 8:00 in the east, and president trump is home from his asia trip and has three burning issues. first, senate republicans added the repeal of the individual mandate in obamacare to their tax reform plan. it helps them on the revenue side, and it may also help them on the political side. hundreds of billions of dollars over the next ten years could be saved if they do this, but 13 million americans could be uninsured and premiums could go up for the same group of people they say they want to help. and there's the roy moore controversy, and leaders saying moore should quit, and mitch mcconnell floats attorney

general, jeff sessions, as a possib possible write-in replacement. we have it all covered. our coverage begins with suzanne malveaux live on capitol hill. >> reporter: this was a bombshell announcement. senate republicans saying they are trying to accomplish tax cuts as well as health care in the same bill. initially they resisted this and did not want to get into a toxic battle over health care again and thought it would redale the process and now desperate to get something done before christmas, they are taking their chances. senate republicans taking a gamble, proposing to repeal obamacare's individual mandate, requiring individuals to have health insurance or pay a penalty to free up $338 billion to pay for tax cuts. >> we are optimistic that inserting the individual mandate

repeal would be helpful. >> reporter: but the congressional budget office estimates repealing the mandate would also result in 13 million fewer people having health insurance and drive up premiums by roughly 10%. senate republicans also announcing the individual tax cuts in their plan would be temporary, expiring at the end of 2025, in order to comply with senate rules that would allow them to pass the bill along party lines. the cut in the corporate tax rate from 35% to 20%, however, would be permanent. >> they are cutting taxes on the wealthy and taking health caraway from millions and raising the premiums of millions of others. >> reporter: the updated bill unveiled last night propose to save the money by the repeal of the mandate helps the middle

income taxpayers, and boost the taxpayer credit from $1650 to $2,000, a priority for the president's daughter, ivanka. senator john mccain who cast a dramatic vote killing the republicans last effort to kill and replace obamacare signaling he is leaning towards supporting the bill, but murkowski and susan collins indicated that they are not sold on the idea, collins saying i personally think it complicates tax reform. house speaker, paul ryan, signaling the senate must show their bill can pass before the house gets onboard. >> the senate was the issue. we are now seeing that the senate has the votes to repeal the individual mandates. >> so the house debate begins on the floor today. it's one that the bill does not have a repeal of obamacare

mandate but it's expected it will go to a vote tomorrow. the senate finance committee begins its third day in the markup process taking a look at various amendments and considerations of those amendments and changes, and at the sim time chuck schumer and nancy pelosi will have a noon rally here on capitol hill for the battle to begin. we have cnn political analyst, david gregory and john avalon. let's break down facts here. what is in the gop bill? what are the big ticket items? getting rid of the obamacare mandate, and it's a political play. it's boosts the child tax credit, and that's the upside, and it lowers several middle income tax rates, but for how long and for whom is part of the analysis. corporate tax rate reduced to 2 20%, and that's always been in the making here, and then the

curveball hurts with a lot of democrats, what does it do, brings the deficit number down. they are trying to get it through with a simple 50 vote, and this helps with that. it would raise average premiums by 10% which could wipe out any tax savings. 13 million fewer insured over ten years. i keep saying it's a gamble, it's a gamble, it's a proposition. what is the proposition? >> it's math and votes. if you make the math work that's important, to do it on a party line vote and do you have the votes? there's a lot of republican conservatives that do not like the mandate, and they can reduce the deficit and that becomes important. the gamble pieces, you could also lose republican votes. collins, murkowski, and alabama. there's not much room to maneuver. and then you pick a fight the

democrats are beating you over the head with, look at virginia, they like their health care and obamacare and they failed miserably trying to roll back obamacare. messing with the individual mandate, premiums go up and it affects a lot of people who are trump supporters. there's a lot of risky politics involved here. bottom line, this is political expedientcy. >> for republicans, this is political. it's trying to attach an obamacare key provision, and it was a conservative -- >> the individual mandate? >> yeah, it was sold as individual responsibility. >> that is interesting, because that has been the least popular component of all of obamacare, because people didn't want to be forced to do something they tkaopbt want to do? >> yeah, you had to compel people to get insurance and this was the stick that would compel people to get insurance.

this is purely political. this is an attempt to get a two tpur for their base. let's not ignore that obvious fact. >> i promise not to get too much in the weeds, and there's a specific part of the population that gets the penalty, and the penalty is less than having to buy health care on their own so it has been an economic wash. it's choice that has been the biggest drawback for the plan, and the problem is this doesn't address that. you are taking away the engine that replaces that. there are potential short falls going forward. the political calculation is what happens if they don't get it done? this is the simple 50. they have to make it within this reconciliation window. if they don't? >> it's a huge problem in the senate politically for 2018. you have the house, and it's more likely to get something done. they want to get to a place

where -- >> the house likes the mandate aspect and wants to add it to their own bill which is more likely to get the reconciliation bill. >> right. and if they can get a senate bill they reconcile it with the house through negotiations. look, i don't think there is -- i don't think failure is an option here is how they are looking at it. i think there's so much downside. this has been the problem with how the tax bill has been argued and how it has come together. a lot of conservatives don't like it. >> go back to also just when reagan did the major tax overhaul, they did it with democratic senators like bill bradley, and one of the criticisms with obamacare was it was done on a party line and jammed through, and here we see that same dynamic and don't comment on it anymore. the big overhauls have had some bipartisan support and then that is pushed through by rule.

>> let's move on to another top story -- >> there's only one top story. >> fought and lost this battle on numerous occasions. >> we have many top stories. let's move on to roy moore. i don't know in you just heard the long-time alabama political reporter just on and he pointed out in a low turn-out race, and this will be because it's a special election, ray moore's base turns out and even despite the accusations of five women, if ray moore stays on the ballot he will win. >> david brooks writes even evangelical christians could give roy moore a pass and vote for him. last night he had an appearance that he's under attack and he is the one being harassed here, and that could turn out a certain base of support. you have to look at widely in political support is crumbling around him, even among

republicans in alabama. that's what mitch mcconnell is looking at and paul ryan is looking at. >> call the governor, because kay ivy, who is in a tough spot as a woman, not believing women accusers, he holds the power to decide what happens. >> she does, but it's unprecedented for the senate majority to say he should not be on the ballot and we will not seat him if he wins. if you don't like it, you call it fake news. in addition to the mounting evidence, let's not ignore two facts. moore was not a great state-wide guy for alabama. how hard is it to get banned from a mall? >> i spent a lot of time there in the '80s, i think it must have been very difficult. >> anybody was welcome. if you are the assistant d.a. and told not to hangout at the

mall, that, to me, is a different kind of troubling. >> chess king and ties with piano keys on them, and i had many. >> a little known fact, "fast times at ridgemont high," i hung out at that mall. i was present for the valley girl movement. >> no shirt, no shoes -- >> what kind of tie did you have on? >> i might have had torn jeans on, though. >> i am from, as you know, the capital of new jersey. >> oh, yeah, fair point. >> all right, people. that's enough fun. thank you, john and david. we need to get to this very serious story. a deadly shooting rampage in a northern california community and it could have bench worse. four people killed. the quick actions of an elementary's school staff saved lives there. we are live with more.

what happened, dan? >> reporter: alisyn, this began as a neighborhood dispute with the shooter targeting a woman he had been feuding with and from there he gets into a pickup truck and starts shooting at homes and passing cars before making it to the elementary school. the bullets going through walls. this could have been another major schoolhouse tragedy. the first 911 calls came in just before 8:00 a.m. police say a shooting at a neighborhood dispute spilled on to the streets sending a rural northern california community into chaos. >> right now we have a total of seven shooting scenes. essentially with this individual, after the initial shooting, he reportedly took a vehicle and went on a shooting rampage throughout the community. >> reporter: police say the gunman fired from a stolen truck randomly into homes eventually

crashing the vehicle. >> it was like they were shooting, emptying the magazine and popping another one in. >> reporter: he stole a second car and kept firing, injuring a woman and her son as they made their way to the suspect school. and the suspect tried to enter the school spraying the walls of the classrooms with bullets. >> as tragic as it is, it could have been so much worse if it was not for the quick-thinking staff at our elementary school. there was a series of gunshots about a quarter mile away that alerted that staff and they went on an immediate lockdown without having to be told to do so by law enforcement. >> a fourth grader and her classmates heard gunshots and took cover. >> how did you know how to hide under your desk? >> our teacher told us to go under our desk and to keep calm

and lay flat in case he comes inside. >> the shooting spree ended after he was shot dead in a gun battle with deputies, a semiautomatic rifle and two handguns were found. >> i am personally grateful to the men that engaged this suspect. it's a tragic event, but i -- i personally am grateful to those men for engaging such a terrible -- a mass murderer, really, that's what he is. >> reporter: it appears the shooter got frustrated with the school after a time and left because he did not have easy access to the classrooms. this whole episode lasted 45 minutes before the shooter was cornered by the deputies and shot dead. >> how did he get the weapons? what issues it races, all those questions have to be considered, but in context, they got lucky.

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he did have communications with the russians last year, isn't that right?

just a yes or no. >> i had a meeting with the russian ambassador, yes. >> again, either you are lying to the u.s. senate or the u.s. house of representatives. >> well -- >> the attorney general jeff sessions did not like that assertion, but he also has a problem with his testimony. he insists he never lied to congress under oath. this, of course, during a grilling on capitol hill. he testified he only recently recommended george papadopoulos suggesting that now president trump meet with russian president putin. joining us is congressman, adam schiff, the house democrat on the committee. >> i had a couple takeaways. first, his testimony was quite different today than sometime ago in the senate. i was struck by the fact that claiming to have not remembered

the discussion with george papadopoulos, and now he remembers putting a cold shoulder on the idea of a meeting with putin. that's fairly collective in terms of recollection. i can't say whether it's a failure of recollection or more than that. we have to remember the context at the time of these discussions. russia was a big issue. the campaign's contacts with russia, their policy on russia was a big issue. it was not like this was some isolated small boar matter, it was fairly a pivotal and high profile issue for the campaign. the other thing i would say in terms of context, chris, this comes among a series of deceptive comments by other people associated with the campaign about their contacts with russia, and so we have to view it through that prism as well. >> donald trump, jr., getting a lot of attention for his

conversatio conversations with wikileaks after they were identified as a malfactor in russian interference. how important is that to you? >> it's very important. if you look at the chronology, donald trump, jr., meets with the russians at this well-known meeting at trump tower and they offered dirt as what they described on the russian government effort to help donald trump, and he expresses, number one, he would like to get that kind of help and he sends a message back through the russians that he was very disappointed in what they were offering during this meeting. it's only days after that meeting that julian assange announces for the first time he received thousands of the stolen hillary clinton e-mails, and we know the e-mails came from the russians, and now you know through the e-mails and the direct messages that trump jr.

is in direct contact with wikileaks. it's the broad picture that is so troubling coming on the heels of the meeting and coming when we know that wikileaks was playing a role cut out for the russians and it gives us another piece of the puzzle. >> you have the simple standard question you will have to meet here, so what if jeff sessions has inconsistent testimony, and so what if donald trump, jr., was even coordinating and helping with the dispersal of the e-mails that wikileaks stole? none of that amounts to a crime. i know that's not your purview. so what? where does any of this lead? >> the so what with respect to jeff sessions is two-fold. if he is deliberately making false statements in his senate testimony, it's a pretty big so what. that's a decision ultimately for

potentially the justice department. beyond that is indicative of what is our view of our attorney general, even if it doesn't amount to a crime. do we have an attorney general -- if this is part of the conspiracy with the russians, it's a crime. if you have the offer by the russians to help, you have the acceptance of the offer by the trump campaign and it is communicated the way the russians intend to fall through on this is not by tpwegiving th documents to the campaign that could lead the fbi and others to the campaign, but rather by publishing it through a cutout, that's a criminal conspiracy. here are all the facts we have found. here are all the connections. here's why we believe if we do that the policy of the united

states is being undermined, v a vis-a-vis, an important adversary. that's not in our national security interests. it's a pretty big deal, as a matter of fact, and if it results in prosecution will be mueller's decision. >> obviously i am not taking a position as to whether it is or isn't, but that's the standard you have to meet with the american people. the second standard will be this is also supposed to be this will be mainly finding out how the russians did this and stopping them from doing it again. are you anywhere on those questions? >> it was telling on the sessions' testimony, in what you have done to help the country in terms of the elections, and his answer was i don't know, i will have to get back to you. of all the important questions

not to be able to answer, that's at the top of the list. i think it's indicative frankly the administration has done little to nothing to protect us from the next russian intervention because they won't admit the first took place, and this is the broader problem. we can't both fashion a response and can't develop the national consensus of foreign interference when we have a commander-in-chief when he won't acknowledge what the intelligence agencies have been telling him. >> thank you for your take. >> thank you. senate republicans are tying the repeal of a key obamacare mandate to their tax plan. will that work? we ask the former chairman of the senate budget committee, next.

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senate republicans making another effort to dismantle obamacare, the resized tax bill eliminates obamacare's individual mandate that forces people to buy insurance or pay a fine. joining us now is former three-term senator, judd gregg,

and he was senate chairman of the senate budget committee. you are the perfect person to speak to about this. let me put up for our viewers the headlines from what we know about the senate plan. it repeals obamacare's individual mandate, which was the least popular component and boosts the child tax credit to $2,000 per child, and lowers several middle income tax rates and the corporate tax rate is reduced to 20%. do you like this plan? >> well, i like the corporate side. i think the individual side is skewed the wrong way. i sat on the weighs and means committee and the simpson-bowles committee when we wrote the major overhaul of the taxes, and those were much better approaches than the senate or house approach and they eliminated the deductions and took the rate to 20%, and so 85% of the taxes were paid by the top 20% of income people.

so that i'm not too happy with the individual side of the bill. i think it's tepid and misdirected. on the corporate side, i think it's a good bill. >> here's what the cbo says about it, and they say it will raise average premiums for health care by 10%, 13 million fewer people, though, will be insured over the next ten years and will reduce the deficit by 38 billion. if you are not crazy about it and you think you had a better model, why do you think republicans are going down this road? >> i am not talking about the individual mandate, i'm talking about the underlying tax bill. the individual mandate says the government tells you have to buy a bicycle, and you will get hit with a fine which is half of the cost of the bicycle, and some

don't want the bicycle but will be hit with the fine anyway. when 13 million is not going to be covered, that's not an accurate number. let me finish. those 13 million people did not want to buy the obama health care package. they may go out when they don't have to buy that package any longer because they won't be fined any longer and buy something more tailored to their needs. most of those people are young and don't feel they need the type of massive coverage obamacare covered and need a catastrophic plan to be honest, so i don't think the 13 million is an accurate number. >> i want to ask you about that specific thing. so let's say that they just buy catastrophic plans, fine, or let's say they don't buy any plan and they are in an accident and they show up at the emergency room and you are back to square one, which is what existed before the individual mandate, where the emergency

room became everybody's primary care physician. what do you think about that? >> it's not everybody here. we're talking 13 million people in a population of 330 million people. of those 13 million people most are young. to the extent, they have a medical health event, it's a catastrophic event where they fall off their motorcycle or contract some terrible disease and that can be handled through the catastrophic care. >> if they don't have the catastrophic care? >> i think it's an exaggeration to say 13 million people won't have insurance when those 13 million chose not to have insurance until they were hit with the fine, and it's the government telling you you have to buy something you don't want and if you don't buy it, you will be hit with a huge fine, and they may say i want to buy something else. >> if they can find something not as expensive.

>> of course they can. of course they can, yeah, that's the point. obamacare's fundamental problem, other than the fact that it was not well conceived and the purpose of it was to create a single payer system when it failed, it created an insurance product that a lot of americans didn't need because it had so many coverages that were not necessary and were expensive, so you ended up with the high-priced insurance policies which a lot of people didn't need. you can tailor better insurance policies to people in that age group. the big cost driver here for the community at large in health insurance is the pre-existing condition issue, which this bill does not affect, and it still requires insurers to take pre-existing conditions. if they repealed pre-existing conditions, that would be serious, but i don't happen to think laying aside the mandate does anything but give people a fair shake at buying insurance they want versus buying

insurance they are told they have to buy. >> let's move on to alabama and roy moore. what is extreme populism that you think is toxic. what is that? >> we are seeing it on both sides of the aisle where people don't want to government but would rather shout and speak in paraphrases, which people like but don't affect policy in an effective way are being given a great deal of traction by social media, primarily. folks aren't held accountable for what they are saying and there's no responsibility to govern. people in our society, which is a checks and balances constitutional government, government only occurs effectively when there's compromise and the two sides come together and figure out how 20 govern without shottinuting, that's not happening today because folks who are not

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time for the five things to know for your new day. adding the repeal of obamacare's individual mandate to their tax reform plan a. move that could save hundreds of billions of dollars while leaving 13 million americans uninsured. >> attorney general, jeff sessions, grilled by the house judiciary committee. he denies lying under oath about campaign contacts with russia and said media reports jogged his memory about a meeting involving george papadopoulos. >> roy moore digging in and refusing to drop out of the alabama senate race. he told folks last night he's the one being harassed by the

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>> let's bring in cnn contributor, j.d. advance. let's put up the emerson poll. there's your book. nice, everybody should buy it. d doug joins, 45. >> that's not now, that's when it was breaking. maybe he would have won. >> what's your take? >> the perception in the d.c. political press and among d.c. republicans is not the same for republicans on the ground. to me it goes to something that is really deeply mistrustful about base republican voters when it comes to the press. it's not just that they mistrust the press and tonight think the press is scrupulous enough, it's that they think the press is a member of the opposition party. a lot of republicans look at what is going on in the national reporting in roy moore, and they don't just say we believe it, they say we think it's specifically planted to destroy

our candidate, and it's really hard to have some of the allegations do damage to roy moore when so many people have this instinctive mistrust of the press. >> j.d., we understand ever since the election, your book has gone a long way to peeling back the thinking of people who really distrust the establishment, but isn't sexual molestation sort of an issue that defies party? when five different women, separate women, who don't know each other come forward, one of them was 14 years old and she tells her story, and one of them comes on camera and talks about having been sexually assaulted. why doesn't that make a dent with the base? >> i hope sexual molestation is something that cuts across party lines, but it has to percolate into the voter's consciousness to affect the way they think about the race. it's not that they think sexual molestation is okay, and you had some that defended moore even if

the allegations are true, that's disgusting, but the majority of alabama voters are saying -- at least the majority of alabama republicans are saying they don't believe the allegations in the first place. when we talk about how to get these messages and how to get the points across, the local press and conservative press has an out sized role here. i think what would be damaging to roy moore is the fact that, first of all, some of the local alabama papers have really gotten onboard and started to report some of the allegations, giving them credibility that the national press frankly doesn't have and can't bouea stow, but sean handy gave moore 24 hours to give a rebut annual of ttal allegations. i just don't think that the national press's ability to change the narrative is that significant anymore. >> it's interesting, though, a

clear morality issue is not resonating more with the christian base and somehow roy moore is turning it into a strength, an attack on his christianity a little bit of this political game going on, and maybe the republicans in the form of mcconnell and even the president will get the a.g., sessions, to go back to his home seat in alabama and become a write-in, and that would help from the governor there, kay eavy, even though he's a woman has not shown any outward support of the women, his accusers, and if that happens, think of the implications, not just in alabama and then you could have a new attorney general and he could get rid of mueller because he wouldn't be conflicted with anything to do with the russia investigation, and what a sweeping set of situations.

>> certainly you could see it having a major repercussions. if that happened, if jeff sessions goes and tries to be a write-in candidate, for example, and another thing that is tossed out there, if luther strange resigns it would set in motion a new special election where maybe roy moore is not on the ballot. all of these things would create real backlash from alabama republican voters, and they would perceive it was folks from d.c. actually going behind the scenes in a very corrupt way changing the way their democratic process is working. i don't know if i could see this actually happening because i think a lot of alabama republicans would see this as the swamp rising up to attack roy moore. i don't know if that's necessarily going to be a positive outcome. >> yeah, yeah, understood. it will be very interesting to

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