you're live in the "cnn newsroom." i'm jim acosta in washington. good evening. president biden delivering a message to republicans up on capitol hill, the brinksmanship has to end. the president's remarks come as congress prepped within just a few hours of a funding deadline but the crisis could cost house speaker kevin mccarthy his leadership post for relying on democrats to pass the spending bill. gop hardliners want to hold a vote to strip mccarthy of his gavel. arlette saenz is over at the white house for us. what else did the president say

this afternoon? >> reporter: well, jim, president biden said it is time for congress to get to work to avoid repeating this down to the wire talks that happened and ended yesterday as the house and senate both passed a bill to avert a government shutdown. but what the president has been pushing for them to do over the past few weeks and going forward is for house republicans to adhere to the agreement that the white house had reached with house speaker kevin mccarthy back in the spring during the debt ceiling fight. during that time, they had reached some agreements about what spending and budget levels should be in place and they had hoped that this was to avert a shutdown. but you had heard some house republicans, the hardliners in the house really push for further spending cuts. and that is where the house speaker ran into some issues between these two sides. but the president also lamented, the brinksmanship occurring between lawmakers up on capitol

hill saying that american people are sick and tired of it. take a listen. >> the truth is we shouldn't be here in the fis place. we shouldn't haven't gotten here if the first place. it is time to end governing by crisis and keep your word when you give it in the congress. you know, where i come from, when you make a deal and you give your word, you keep it and ai expect the republican speaker and republican congress to honor their word and keep the deal that they made months ago when they tried to threaten to -- with almost international bankruptcy by not paying our debts. >> reporter: now while the bill the president signed yesterday averts a government shutdown, at least for another 45 days. one thing not included in the bill was funding for ukrainech that is something that president biden had been pushing for for months. but there has been some opposition against hard-line republicans in the house and it was decided to drop that from the bill. the president said it is time for congress to stop playing games for republicans and house republicans to agree to pass this kind of funding and both

the president and democratic leadership has indicated that they expect house speaker kevin mccarthy to put up a separate vote on ukraine aid at some time in the coming weeks. but this all comes at a challenging time as the president is also trying to assure allies of the u.s. and ukraine that enduring support for ukraine will continue to be there. but they're running up against these -- this resistance that you've seen from some members up in congress as there is skepticism about whether more aid should be provided to ukraine. >> arlette saenz over at the white house. thank you very much. and reporter melanie zanona joins me now. matt gaetz has said that he's going to force this vote on kevin mccarthy this week. might this be the end of mccarthy as speaker? >> in order for that to succeed, they need a majority of the entire chamber. so that would be presumably 218 votes. and say gaetzs has 18 members with him and on the republican side which is a large number, we're not sure what number is.

but then he would still need 200 democrats to back him and that is where hakeem jeffries, the democratic leader come news plac place. right now they don't have a unified position, there is a lot of democrats who said we should not bail out keb mccarthy, we cannot trust him and why would we do that but you still have a small sector of moderate democrats saying we don't want to throw the house in chaos and perhaps we could get some concessions out of speaker mccarthy. but democratic leader shuft just put out a letter to leaders, we're aware of this issue and let's talk about it as a caucus before we move forward. so that is something we're watching this week. but there are sp ideas batted around between republicans and democrats and what potential concessions could look like. maybe power sharing agreements, more committee assignments. one thing that democratic leaders did say in a statement yesterday after the vote to und if the government was, we expect

mccarthy to put a ukraine aid bill on the floor and president biden spoke today and suggested there was a deal with mccarthy there. now i reached out to mccarthy and they said when i asked what aurns shoos were made to the white house, they said mccarthy has said he's committed to ukraine aid if there is border security provisions. but you get the sense he's in a difficult spot and this is why democrats don't trust him and just today marjorie taylor greene put out a tweet saying kevin mccarthy could not put the bill on the floor because it does not have a majority and that is a violation of his term as speaker. so caught between the different competing factions but his fate may rest in the hand of democrats if you could imagine that. >> and when i talk to debbie wauserman schultz she didn't want to say what she will do at this point but it sounds as though democrats are in a little bit of a bine. they'll have to hash this out. because they could end up with a

speaker of house who is far more extreme than kevin mccarthy. but when i talk to bob good, a very hard-line republican from virginia in the freedom caucus after talking to debbie wasserman schultz, he was noncommittal. i asked him five different ways is it time for mccarthy to go and he didn't want to answer that question. i would have put him down as one of those votes. >> so there was a house gop version of a stopgap funding bill that they tried and failed to pass on friday. good was supportive of that. so he might be in one of the camps or doesn't love kevin mccarthy but not ready to oust him. but there is a group of a dozen or so who we are looking at, those who did vote against that c.r. on friday. but you're right, at this point, two republicans who have come out and said they are for this effort. that is matt gaetz and eli crane, a fresh man, one of the anti-mccarthy people during the race. so it is a whip count on the

democratic and republican side in the next few days. >> i feel bad for you. out of the frying pan and into the fry. thank you very much. joining me now charlie dent from pennsylvania and joe walsh, former republican kog congressman from illinois and i'm guessing your happy that you're former republican congressman after what took place this week. charlie, how does this end? >> well, it appears that matt gaetz is going to offer a motion to vacate the chair with the speaker and the big question that comes home votes does matt gaetz have? so maybe he has five to 15 votes. we don't know. so that makes hakeem jeffries very powerful. and if i'm hakeem jeffries, i go to speaker mccarthy and say we want to share power. what are we going to get if we rescue you? that is a fair question to ask. the democrats, hakeem jeffries rescued mccarthy on the debt ceiling budget agreement back in the end of may, early june just as they did yesterday on the continuing resolution to fund

the government. so i really think that is where this is. the democrats have to figure out, do they want to -- do they want to see the house go back into chaos, and they might see some political benefit from that. but do they want to just maintain the status quo and realize that maybe they get somebody worse than mccarthy from their standpoint. so right now it is all on the democrats hands because we're going to of to play with this for another 45 days because we just set up another cliff, november 17th, we do have to finish funding the government and the ukraine funding issue so we have to deal this issue with removing mccarthy while also dealing with long-term funding issue of the government. >> yeah, joe, what do you think? for all of the sound and fury that you hear coming out of the house freedom caucus, i went back and forth with bob good of virginia over and over again in the previous hour. he would not answer the question as to whether kevin mccarthy should lose his job? >> and jim, that interview with good, great job. that was really telling.

look, i could be dead wrong. but i still don't believe gaetz will move to remove kevin mccarthy. gaetz and the other hardliners had enormous power over mccarthy by just threatening to remove him. i mean, they've made life absolutely miserable for him the last year and a half. they want to continue to do that. and jim, the other thing about gaetz is, gaetz is all about gaetz. this is all about individual branding for matt gaetz. matt gaetz is not very well liked inside of that caucus among damn near everybody within that caucus. matt gaetz has probably one foot out of the door running for governor of florida. so i still believe gaetz is still just threatening mccarthy here. but i would still be surprised if anything happens. >> fascinating. and let's just talk about what took place over the last 48 hours on saturday.

the "wall street journal" editorial board referred to this bringsman shirp as a government shutdown for dummies an the real goal of the mal contents seems to topple mr. mccarthy for personal spite and it is stupid with failure for ordained and their constituents want conservative policies but the gaetzs are playing personal gains. when you've lost the "wall street journal" editorial board, that is not good. >> mccarthy is dealing with and frankly about 200 or so house gop members is that they're dealing with a nilistic group of members. it is a small group. but these guys, as mccarthy said it himself. she want to burn it all down. they have no interest in governing. they think those that do fund the government and stop the government from defaulting that their committing acts of capitulation or surrender. and that is how they think. and i said that mccarthy needs to stop appeasing that bunch because he has empowered them

and emboldened them and so whenever he runs them over like he did yesterday, with a bipartisan agreement, he margininalized them, he needed to keep doing that and just ignore their threats. their not going to go away. they're going to continue to drive him crazy if he lets them. so again, it gets back to mccarthy, figuring out whether or not, how much he's going to need democrats going forward. he's going to need them again on the next funding bill, on the november 17th. he's going to need them to fund the government on a long-term basis when they pass all of the appropriates bill and he'll need them on ukraine funding. so they'll have to continue to work together and that group, that nilistic group is never going to be there to help. so they might as well throw the gauntlet down and have the fight and let the chips fall where they may. we don't know how this will play out. there is still some time. but at least go down swinging. >> joe, what do you think? s had mccarthy figured out the numbers here and made'

determination that he's going to do this without the freedom caucus and let them do some things right up until the last minute and when the middle of november rolls around and mush it to thanksgiving, they'll pass another turkey. >> well, first off, jim, the context here is no tears for kevin mccarthy. he sold every inch of his body to become speaker. so no tears for mccarthy. he put himself in this position. i disagree with my friend and colleague charlie. this was a bad fight. most of the republican caucus is maga. but even most of the maga wing or caucus here, they didn't want to fight over this government shutdown. they would rather talk about hunter biden and impeachment inquiries, bogus impeachment inquiries into joe biden. most of the republicans in the house want to pursue an impeachment inquiry. those are the bones that

mccarthy has to throw at his caucus. but charlie is right. when it comes to policy and keeping government funded, mccarthy will have to lean on democrats and keep throwing his maga folks all of the impeachment inquiry b.s. >> all right. well, a lot to get through there. but appreciate both of you for joining us to do it. it is going to be an interesting week, guys. we'll be back in touch. >> it will, indeed. >> it will be many things. probably more than interesting. thank you. appreciate it. donald trump returns to iowa. we'll take you live to the came trail in just a few moments. plus a look at how smash-and-grab robberies and looting are taking a toll on some communities. and it is jimmy carter's 99th birthday. a look at his life and league and the birthday wishes he's getting from people all around the world including willie nelson. >> happy birthday, president carter. i'm thinking about you. i love you.

we miss you. and i hope you have a real good one.

the iowa caucuses are less than four months away. donald trump, the current republican front-runner, is ramping up campaign efforts in the hawkeye state. elena trina is there and joins us with more. i understand you're hearing that donald trump will be back in court tomorrow. this time in new york. what could you tell us? >> reporter: well, that is right, jim. so we've learned that the former president is expected to travel to new york city tonight. he's wrapping up his iowa events. he so youust finished his rally here and then traveling to a form and is heading to new york city and is expected to appear at the courthouse tomorrow in a civil fraud case. now this case was brought by the new york attorney general letitia james last september and it is relating to donald trump, his sons and some of their companies an their senior

executives. accusing them of fraud. now, donald trump is not expected to speak in this case tomorrow. he also hasn't confirmed that he's actually going to appear in court. but multiple sources are telling me and my colleague kristin holmes that he is expected to be in new york and show up at the courthouse tomorrow. >> and elena, what was the former president been saying on the campaign trail this weekend and why is he focusing in on iowa? >> reporter: well i think the iowa speech is very important. i also think just noting how many stops that the former president is going to be making in this state, is also very interesting. so far donald trump has not spent a lot of time in iowa. even though it is the first primary state, the iowa caucus is on january 15th and he's starting to ramp up his attention on this. and i'm spoken with donald trump advisers about the importance of both iowa but many of the other early states and they tell me, look, even though he's doing very well in the polls,ee trying to make this look like a trump versus biden rematch, and trying

to look like he's by passing his primary challenges, at the end of the day they have to win in the primary state in order to win eventually in 2024 if we were to get the nomination. and they hope if they could win big in iowa and new hampshire and srk south carolina, that could carry over to the general election. so he's not taking his foot off the gas when it comes to campaigning in these states even though he's polling well. >> the campaign calendar is getting filled up quickly. thank you very much into here to discuss this and more is editor and chief aiden mclaughlin. let me jump very quickly into this trump news that he's going to be at this civil fraud trial in new york tomorrow. it sounds as though, this is a continuation of trump wanting to fight this out in the media. >> right. think it is the treat we saw from when he launched his political campaign first in 2015

when is that if you turn everything into the trump show, you're going to get a ton of free media coverage. you're also going to look like your fighting against these institutions that are seeking to keep you down. his supporters really love that. and it also sucks up all of the oxygen for the other candidates that he's facing in the republican primary. it keeps cameras on him. so that is a really important part of his strategy and it has been. to be honest throughout his entire career. >> that is what he did back in 2016 and in 2020 and now again. i wanted to talk to you, aiden, about most recent republican debate at the reagan library. one of the things that we're seeing is a 538 washington post poll found trump is still the favorite, poll also found one in three republican primary voters tuned in to watch. are these debates doing anything for trump's challengers? >> not that we've seen in the polls. i mean, i think it remains the case that donald trump is up 40

points on his closest republican challenger in most of the polls that we're seeing. so, i think they certainly realize when you look at how ron desantis handled that debate, he went on the attack against trump for ducking the debates early on. so i think he's realizing and some of his other contenders are rea realizing the only way they have a chance of competing against trump is taking the attack to him. but the fak remains trump is not on the stage. so i don't think the republican base is particularly irned in watching these debates because they don't really mean much given that trump is polling so far ahead of everyone else. so i don't think he needs to be there and i doan think it is helping his contender chip away at his base of support. >> and right. and i would hazard to say that it hasn't been very good television either. i mean one of the things, aiden, is that they're skipping a lot of topics that would be, i guess damaging to the former president. they're not really talking about

trump's indictments, they didn't talk about trump basically threatening to execute general milley. no questions on his business fraud. what do you think? fox, these debate, i guess organizers, are they giving trump a free pass? >> well, you know, that is a good intpoint. the first one was run by fox news and the second was run by fox business. there were two hosts at the second debate were were for fox business or fox news. they certainly are not asking about trump. they're asking more policy focused questions. i don't know that that is necessarily making a difference because the candidates are really turning the questions into a referendum on trump any way. ron desantis and chris christie came out hard against trump, obviously other candidates on stage a little bit more supportive of trump are probably pretty happy to not have to answer questions about his indictments or his attacks on general mark milley. so, it is an interesting way to handle these debates. at the end of the day, i don't think it matters. it is not particularly irning.

it is a lot of candidates on stage vying to be potentially vice president picks. so until we see any shake-up in the numbers here or any sort of erosion to trump's base of support which i doan see happening in the next coming months unless there is a big change somewhere. these debates don't really matter. you could see that in the ratings. the audience for these debates is much, much smaller than the audience we saw in 2016 and that is because voters don't necessarily care to see a bunch of candidates on stage who are nowhere near competing against former president trump. >> and before we wrap up the segment, i want to ask you about trump going back to referring to the press, referring to news organizations as the enemy of the people. trump jut sat down with nbc, sat down with "meet the press" and within days was referring to nbc and msnbc as the enemy of the people. it seems like we're going back in time. we're seeing a repeat of what he's done in the past. he's going to demonize the press and you and i both know because we've covered this for sometime

now, this is not just rhetoric on this part. this leads to threats and incitement and potentially violence. >> right. i think that is the most important point here. like, i think it is also worth remembering that this is all a show. this is basically wwe as you pointed out, he was on "meet the press" and leveled this attack against nbc. but it is important to be clear about what we're dealing with here, jim. because trump said so many crazy things particularly on truth social that it is hard -- it is easy to lose sight what is at stake. this is a threat to use government power against the media and make them pay in his words a big price once he's back in the white house. now, there is only so much a president can do to crack down on a media organization. he accused nbc of treason, that is meaningless an unclear that he would ever be able to wield power against nbc that a way that would be particularly damaging. but as you know and as you mentioned, this violent rhetoric and extremist rhetoric has huge

consequences. the "wall street journal" editorial board has been defensive of trump pretty regularly, called out the attacks on mark milley on nbc and said whether or not trump is serious about any of these threats, his supporters take this stuff seriously and woe could well see, we've seen violent threats up tick at fbi after the raid on mar-a-lago and i'm sure mark milley has threats. someone could take action and that is when we have problem. whether it is against mark milley or sending pipe bombs to a news organization awe know a supporter did against cnn years ago. we have to take it seriously. >> and right. and i don't think he'll act out on the threat and try to shut down a news organization. that sort of thing. and as you were saying, he couldn't do it because of the first amendment. because sometimes it feels as though the purpose of what he's doing when he engaging in that kind of rhetoric and using that

kind of comments he's directing his supporters to -- to you know, make threats and engage in a -- in that kind of rhetoric. aiden, thank you for your time. good to talk to you. >> thanks, jim. it is a momentous weekend for jimmy carter. he's turning 99 years old today. happy birthday, president carter. a look at his remarkable legacy in and out of office. that is next. you're live in the cnn "newsroom."

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america's 39th president is turning 99 years old today. birthday celebrations for former president jimmy carters have been underway this weekend at the carter center in atlantic and well wishes are coming from from all over the world including from president biden. >> mr. president, happy birthday, pal.

i've known a lot of presidents as you have, but i admire you because you have such incredible integrity, character, and determination. i consider it a great honor to know you and to have worked with you. and i just hope i could be one half of the president you have been. god love you. >> le's bring in tim naftali, a cnn presidential historian and great to see you as always. jimmy carters, he's a living legend. he's a national treasure. he's also the nation's oldest living former president. it is incredible that he is now 99 years old. just amazing. >> well, he has shown in the last few months that determination is has defined his entire career, jim. when the carter center auns -- auns noed he was going into hospice, many worried and there are reports that many in his family worried that he only had

a few days left on this earth and he's still with us to celebrate or to mark his 99th birthday. by the way, he's the oldest -- not only the oldest former president, or the oldest to -- former president, he's also the oldest of either member of the ticket, he surpassed john nance karner who lived to almost 99 and he was fdr's first vice president. >> right. >> jimmy carter not only has also, has the record for the longest post presidency, but let's not forget that he probably has the record and may always hold the record for having the best post presidency. so there is a lot to discuss on this birthday for jimmy carter. >> and we saw the country almost go into another government shutdown, tim. i mean, and i was talking about this last night with david gurgen a little bit. the thought during jimmy carter's time or ronald reagan

time, this government shutdown, this brinksmanship, that would not have existed back in those days. not everything was great back in those days. i don't want to wax poetic about how times were better back then. but this one particular thing didn't happen back then. why is that? was it because of jimmy carter's leadership style, was it the way congress got along with one another back then? what are your thoughts? >> well, jim, aui'm going to she some speculation and i don't know how i could prove it, but in thinking deeply about this problem, i'm not only one, a lot of us are, i think there is something to the fact that so many members of congress had served together in world war ii, had served together in our armed forces and there was a limit to the animosity that they could have given this shared searing experience. i think also the shared experience of the great depression was also a reason why

in their quiver they had the capacity to compromise. and i think there is one other point that is worth mentioning, which is that there was, if you will, a washington culture. members of congress would come to washington and they would -- they would share rooms, apartments, what have you. and get to know one another. and get to know one another across the aisle and they would drink together and there was a certain camaraderie. yes, that produced some unfortunate group think, if you will. but it also meant that they knew each other's human beings and when you know someone as a human being, you could compromise with them. there is a contempt amongst members of congress now that would have been hard to expect or imagine 30 years ago. >> and there was a similar time to i guess some of the divisiveness that we see today

in the post watergate era and jimmy carter helps the country turn the page from the watergate era. he wore sweaters in the oval office and he tried to take some of nixon's hard edges off the office of the presidency. >> i think jimmy carter will be remembered in part for helping move the country after gerald ford, who deserved enormous credit. if it rnt weren't for timing th pardon, he would have been re-elected or a spotless time as a healer for our country. but with jarmd ford, jimmy carter is responsible for putting in place the new checks and balances following vietnam and following the abuses of the nixon period. so, a number of those private -- those laws that were there to protect our privacy, which sadly the georgia w. bush administration overlooked for a

period. those laws and are privacy, the end of warrantless wiretapping for example, those were a product of the carter -- of the ford-carter years. and so we have to think of -- and by the way it was so natural that the two men should become so close as former presidents. they didn't quite like each other in 1981, or sorry in 1977, but they did about ten years later. in any case, the carter years were a time to actually strengthen our institutions. no you as a president, jimmy carter had challenges, he lacked some of the -- he didn't like the personal side of politics. unlike joe biden studied the carter presidency i think very carefully. but he believed in it and we needed that at the time. >> absolutely. great reflection on the carter presidency. tim naftali. we knew he were the perfect person to go to for this and happy birthday president carter. thank you very much. appreciate your time.

>> thank you, jim i. a rash of looting and smash and grab rogeries and a fallout from all of the theft is next here in the cnn "newsroom."

target said it is planning to close nine stores in major cities including san francisco and new york because theft and violence has been on the rise in those establishments. many stores are struggling to cope with the growing waive of crime sometimes petty shoplifting and sometimes violence in the store and sometimes organized crime running out of shipping docks in the back. cnn's veronica miracle has more. >> reporter: retail crime is front and center as major brands close stores. >> they're locking up the toothpaste. >> reporter: the latest target closing nine stores citing theft and organized retail crime threatening safety of our team and guests and hurting business. at this san francisco target, soon to close, even general merchandise is behind plexiglass. >> this doesn't surprise me.

>> reporter: regulars say they've seen the crime firsthand. >> you live across the street. tell me what you see here on a daily basis happening at this target? >> at least once, twice a day, i would see the homeless come in here and steal stuff, they take off rubbing. >> this target joins two others in oakland closing on october 21st along with three in portland oregon, two in sooeatt, washington, and another in new york city. >> we put officers in garage or out here. >> reporter: the nypd said target was paying for increased patrols at the east harlem store but thefts continued. target is just the latest to take drastic action. starbucks closed 16 stores last year citing safety concerns. we spotted grocery stores in san francisco locking up coffee, another cable locked frozen foods. in the 30 minutes cnn spent at this san francisco walgreens in july, we saw three people

including this man steal. >> did that guy pay? did that guy pay? >> reporter: new data from the national retail federation said 28% of retailers reported closing stores due to crime. $112 billion in losses last year is an $18 billion jump over the year before. from nordstrom in los angeles, to lululemon near atlanta. and now an apple store in philadelphia. dozens of high-profile smash-and-grabs have business owners calling for tougher laws. >> i want everybody no know this is not our last protest. >> reporter: this week oakland small businesses went on strike closing their doors for hours. standing in front of a shuttered restaurant, they demanded public officials do more. >> this restaurant survived occupy oakland and the riots. this restaurant survived the pandemic. but this restaurant can't survive crime. >> reporter: the morning after target made the announcement there was a line of cars here,

people being turned away from getting into the san francisco target that is closing. it turns out this store and one in new york, they've abruptly changed their store hours. they're going to be now opening later. so already communities are feeling an impact. the stores across the country are not officially supposed to close until october 21st. veronica miracle, cnn, san francisco. meantime, in philadelphia, dozens of people have been aest ared after looting at several stores in the city this past week. lootings compared to flash mobs with masks and hoodies and organized on social media. joining me to discuss is senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey. with youer the police commission in philadelphia and had the top cop jop in d.c. know about this stuff. when you were watching this unfold in philadelphia, you had some thoughts about this. what could be done? because i know people who live in d.c., they're tearing their hair out over what is happening in d.c. and i have to think that

is happening is philadelphia, too. >> it is difficult to handle these flash mobs are organized, on social media. sometimes you get a tip when you're able to get ahead of it. i know a few years ago when i was the police commissioner, we had a problem with flash mobs it was basically teenagers after they got out of school, they could come together and go through center city and hit macy's or one of the other stores. and we actually got some help from parents. that were aware of what was about to take place. so we could deploy people in advance, but sometimes that is just not possible. this is serious. and there is no question about it. people have been emboldened to a large extent in terms of this kind of activity. there had not been real strong prosecution against many people for shoplifting and various other thefts have been taking place and now we're dealing with this problem not just in philly but around the country. >> yeah, and we're looking at the video of what took place at the apple store in philadelphia. and i just wonder, you know,

i've seen here in washington, chief, you know, some of the high end retail stores, they have rope lines outside of the stores, security guards, basically bouncers and it is sort of like being let into a nightclub. you have to wait your turn into go into the high value, high-end retail stores. is that one of the solutions here? that you just can't let as many people into the store. you can't let 50 people in an ape store any more. >> well it is one of the solutions. but it is a shame that we have to do that sort of thing. i mean, you know, i go to the mall and you see, you know, specially the high-end stores, they have the rope line and ten people in at a time and that sort of thing. going to cvs, even in my neighborhood and you have body wash that is actually locked up. >> it is crazy. >> i mean, come on. it is absolutely insane. it is going to cause a lot of these brick and mortar stores to close. who gets hurt by that.

people in the community. that really rely on it. people will lose jobs. and stores like target if they go solely online, you lose tax revenue as a result of that. this thing is something very serious. those folks get arrested, those here in philadelphia, over 60 have been arrested and charged. they need to go to jail. there needs to be some jail time. there has got to be accountability for folks that commit this kind of crime, these aren't minor crimes. >> yeah. there is no question about it. it is just so frustrating. you go into the stores and everything is behind the cases now. and in cities like d.c. and philadelphia and it just drives you nuts. what about there is also surge in violence in washington, d.c. where you were also the police chief, chief ramsey, just surpassing 200 homicides before october of this year. i whats read being this in "the washington post"p that is the earliest point since 1997 and we all know what was taking place in d.c. back in those days.

that was when law enforcement was dealing with crack epidemic and all of the violent crime caused by that. what is the biggest driver here? why is this happening again in washington? >> yeah, '97 is the year before i came to d.c. and we had over 300 murders that year. and so, crime in the district is a problem. it is concentrated crime. although i'm not in the district any more. i could pretty much tell you exactly where most of the violent crime is taking place. again, it is the people who are committing these crimes. the gun violence, and things like that. we talk about hot spots. it is really about hot supreme. who are the ones that are actually carrying the guns illegally that are causing the problems. these are the ones that you have to identify, you've got to target and you've got to get them off the streets. because they will continue to do what they do. and if they don't become the offender, their the next victim because of street justice. that is what happens. group a shoots somebody in group

b, you know that b going to retaliate against a and it is going on and on. and so you have to be relentless. in going after these guys. don't take holidays off, weekends off and all that sort of thing. criminals doan do that. they work every single day. and you have to work every day and be just relentless. but they got to go to jail once they're caught and tried and convicted. this slap on the wrist and other we can't put anybody else in jail. that is part of the problem. some of guys need to be locked up. >> chief ramsey, i know we're going to bring you back on this. this is something thatsy real source of frustration for a lot of folks out there. thank you very much. appreciate it. in the meantime, a member of the house democrat eck leadership is stepting down because he doesn't support president biden's re-election campaign. we'll explain that just ahead here in the cnn "newsroom."

an fbi project called operation not forgotten has dozen of federal agents working on native american tribal lands. they're working cold cases in cases of violence and sex crimes. josh campbell investigates. >> the fbi announcing the results of a months long surge of personnel to help solve violent crimes and cold cases impacting native americans. the bureau said operation not forgotten focused on crimes occurring on tribal lands across ten fbi divisions with dozens of personnel conducting interviews and launching more than 40 arrests and search on races.

i spoke exclusively with an agent overseeing the operation. >> the main focus in our cases were death investigations and sexual abuse crimes. those agents respond to scenes. they process evidence. they arrest subjects and interview witnesses. simultaneously, our intelligence personnel are locating information, processing leads and determining locations, additional victims. >> the agency said the list of personnel surging to tribal lands also included victims specialists working to care for those impagted. prior to the launch, cnn went inside the fbi's efforts to locate missing native americans in new mexico and arizona. seeing firsthand the difficult nature of this work. >> you've got to be able to learn the land, the cultural norms. our number one challenge is access. for certain crimes out here, it will be some sort of family on family crime and they may not want the individual to go to jail. >> but to you, this is more than just data.

>> it is. these are individuals and these are individuals that are either in pain or missing or in trouble. >> most people you know don't know an fbi agent but we're out here and we're working. we've all joined the fbi to kind of answer that call and i would say that call comes in a lot more frequently out here. >> now to help investigators solve the numerous unresolved cases on tribal lands, the fbi's appealing to the public to visit fbi fbi.gov/mmip. scan the faces of the missing and contact law enforcement if you have any information. >> kevin mccarthy's days as house speaker could be numbered and the plan to oust him could start taking shape tomorrow. the latest coming up in the "cnn newsroom." stay with us.