breaking news. jennifer crumbley, the mother of the oxford michigan high school shooter is now testifying in her own defense. >> fred crumbly facing four charges of manslaughter for each student, that her son killed, giving the case a

chance to set a other parents maybe being held responsible for school shootings that their children commit. let's listen in to jennifer crumbley. >> where were they? >> they weren't home. >> did they ever come home? yeah, i texted my husband asking where you are at, and i believe he called me and told me that him and ethan were at the acme firearm store looking at guns. and then they came home from their. >> did they purchase a gun that day? >> they did. >> the prosecution -- receipts and all that, you were not with them when they bought the gun, is that correct? >> i was not. >> you did post on facebook a photo of the gun, we saw the post, correct. in the post, it's been admitted already that you described it as your sons christmas gift. can you explain who wanted the

gun, what does it mean? >> they had rented a 9 mm at the shooting range before, so they knew it was the type of gun, or the size i guess that they wanted to get, and my son and my husband did a lot of texting back and forth, my son did a lot of research on it and they were comparing different ones that they wanted to buy, that went on for a couple of months, my husband kept blowing it off not right now, not right now, and then i guess when i was out shopping they said let's go try on black friday and see if we can get one on sale if there's any deals going on. >> so they ultimately did get one. did you object, did you say i don't want that gun in the house, anything like that? >> no, i was more angry that it cut into our christmas tree time. usually -- i had to wait for them. i was irritated at that. >> when they came home, did they show you the gun. >> yes. >> and what did you guys do?

>> they just showed me it was on the kitchen counter and then my husband put it up and we went to the christmas tree farm. >> what do you mean by put it up? >> he put it back in the case with the cable lock in the bedroom. >> okay. let's talk about guns overall. this jury needs to understand some details, okay? if i ask a question you don't know what i'm talking about, let me know are, guns your thing? >> not really, no. >> do you have awareness about guns -- >> i do. >> who is responsible for storing the gun? >> my husband is. explain why you say he's responsible for that role. >> i just didn't feel comfortable being in charge of that. it was more his thing so i let him handle that, i didn't feel comfortable putting the lock on it, i just rather let him do it. i think in one of the messages

that were submitted, he calls it a straight lock? do you understand that was a cable lock? >> i do. >> were there ever any times when you would take the cable walk off or put it on? >> no. >> there were prior to buying that gun did you, did james own any other guns? >> he did. >> how many? >>. two >> by two, the jury has seen the derringer and the -- >> were those the other two? >> correct. >> those are the other two guns, how are those stored? >> they were stored in the safe. >> was that different than the nine millimeter? >> it was. >> explain to the jury the difference. >> we had a gun safe so when they bought the two other guns they transported the two other guns into the gun safe and then everything else, the cable lock, and the other case when somewhere, nine millimeter was in a case but it was not, it

wasn't the case locked or the cable lock. >> the cable lock that was on the nine millimeter, what did you have the used to get the cable lock open? >> a key. >> did you have possession of the key? >> no. >> where was the key? >> i call it the german kyrsten, it was in one of the first times. >> where those located? >> throughout the house. there's allege over the refrigerator and the kitchen, they go from wall to wall, and we had corner shelves in her house that had them. we had a lot. >> did you know which particular beer stein the cable lock was in? do you know if your son knew which kyrsten it was in. >> no. >> what about ammunition for the 9 mm, was there any bought on the 26 in the weapon was

purchased? >> no. >> so that day we saw in a facebook post you described it as your son's gift, did he have free access to that gun? >> no, it was for him to use at the shooting mid range only. >> was he allowed to take it out. >> not without my has been around. >> did he know where it was kept? >> my husband hit it, usually in our bedroom in different spots. >> what was the intention of hiding it? >> that's what you're supposed to do. when it was hidden, was it locked in anyway? >> and at the cable walk on it. >> you again testified about keeping a beer stein, with the beer stein be right by the cable lock. >> no. >> so where were the biggest on the? >> it probably be worn in one of the ones in the kitchen. so the key is out there, and then you've got -- did you know where the gun was hated in your

room on november 26, when you put it away? >> now. >> on november 27th we saw a video of you going to the shooting range with ethan, correct? with your son, correct? on that day, we see in the video of him carrying the gun case into the gun range, right? how did the gun get into the gun range? >> my husband and i got ready for me, and put in the back of my car -- >> what does that mean, get ready for? you >> took the cable law off, put the magazine thing in the case, and put it in the back of my car, and i drove with my son to the shooting range with a gun in the back of my car, that's how it got there. >> did you see him or watch him take the cable lock off that day? >> no. >> why not? >> because i was doing something else. i didn't pay attention.

>> when you got to the gun range you saw him get it carried in, carried to the counter, is that accurate? the jury has seen all this, and then you guys go shooting, craft? of easily we see you and your son -- okay. so while you are there how interested in were you in shooting that weapon. >> i shot it a couple times, shooting is kind of boring i'm more like skeete shooting where something is going on. so i shouted a couple times and he did the rest. >> did you end up posting something about a mother sunday? >> i did. >> how did you feel about that day? >> it was a fun day, he asked me if i wanted to go to the shooting range with him and he's never asked me, just me, to go before. my husband was doing doordash and i felt good about it. >> how many times have you been to the shooting range before

that day? >> once. >> and when you went to one other time, who else was president? >> my husband. >> this is the first day you're the only adult their, correct? so we see obviously in the video -- in the case, out. it didn't have the cable lock on it at that point? >> no. >> what did you do from there? when we're leaving? >> i put the gun in the back of my vehicle and drove. >> explain where in the back of the vehicle. >> in the back of the suv it has a thing that opens up for the spare tire, i put it under there. and then where did you go? >> i went home. >> did you take the gun in the house? >> no. i took the bullets in the house and hit them, and my husband took that guy's been gunned in the house when he got home from work. >> was there a period of time when the gun was not in the home, but in your car? >> probably for a couple hours. >> why is that? >> i just don't feel comfortable with it, that's his thing. >> on that saturday it was left

in your vehicle, and it was locked, do you know if the gun was brought into the house and put away? >> yes. >> how do you know that? >> my husband told me. . >> did you watch him do anything in terms of putting it away? or if you didn't, just let me know. >> no i didn't. >> the next day is sunday, correct, and on that day was there any, do you recall any issues with weapon, any issues with the gun? >> no. >> now when, the next day is monday, is that right? what did you do on monday? >> i want to work. >> on monday we heard the voice mail you got, is that accurate? >> yes. >> describe to the jury overall what happened, what you are

dealing with that day? >> i received a voice mail on my phone, i was at work, who is the school counselor calling to let me know that my son was looking up bullets in class. she let us know, let me know that they had a meeting with my son, and that he said what he was doing is wrong and that the responsibility -- to give an example of teachers, they proved beer at home should be looking at up and school, it was upbeat, she ended it with he understood, he got went back to class, i just wanted to let you know if you have any questions, please let us know, have a good holiday. >> did you call her back? >> no i did not. >> what was your reaction to getting that message? >> it was pretty black and white. she said what happens it seems like they solve the problem, and i didn't have any questions. >> on that day, did you end up saying anything to james about it? >> i believe i did.

>> did you say anything to your sound about it? >> i did. i think we saw text messages, you said next time don't get caught. >> i said seriously looking a bullet school? and then he went through a long couple tax about teachers looking at stuff, and he's worried about getting in trouble, and then i said next time don't get caught. >> what did you mean by that? >> so there is an ongoing thing in our house, my son always asked me the trouble i'd get into a in high school -- i was got caught. all my friends would be doing the same thing and i'd be the one who get scott, it was referencing that. >> okay, so you said that and did you feel you had to discipline him or do anything beyond talk to him about it? >> no. we talked, listen to the voice mail, and that was that. >> on -- i want to go back for a couple minutes to talk to you about some exhibits the prosecution introduced from

earlier in the year. i'm going to start with what's been admitted as exhibits 1:55 through 160, i want to pass them up on the screen and we're gonna talk about each one briefly, so i'm going to go to 1:55 -- i'm sorry, we have to plug it in. okay. i'm gonna start with 1:55, this was already admitted so we're not going to belabor this. -- she doesn't have the one there. there it is, okay. we've already talked about this, with other witnesses, so on when you go a little bit faster, if you need me to slow

down let me know. this is mr. rikers email with her -- she's telling him when you get a chance can you call your son down and see how he's doing, he's seeing like he tries to -- october the end of the day, thanks, just a little worried. and that's that. you heard testimony about that, correct? were you ever aware that there was a time when your son was failing a class and trying to sleep all in capital letters all the time in class. >> i can't remember what class the -- it was. but i probably be aware if i was -- but i was not aware that he was sleeping all the time. >> did anyone from the school let you know in 2021 that he's sleeping in class and failing? >> no. >> that was exhibit 1:55. with that show up on power school? the emails between --

>> now. >> exhibit one 66, this is from september 8th 2021. it starts off with an email from mrs. mcconnell to sean hopkins, it says can you please touch base with ethan crumbley, in his autobiography poem he said he feels terrible and that family is a mistake. unusual responses for sure. he writes back thanks for the heads up, i've been -- i'll try to catch up with him. were you aware this was ever a discussion, or an issue? >> no. >> were you aware that mr. hopkins ever talk to or try to talk to your son. >> no. >> did anyone ever call you to make you aware of any of this? >> no. >> if you heard this, how would you react, or what would your reaction be? >> i'd be definitely concerned why he feels like his family is a mistake, and he feels terrible. that would be a concern to me.

>> this is something you are unaware of? >> correct. >> and in fact, when did you find out these emails existed? >> when we started getting discovered. >> so, in this case. >> correct. >> all right i want to go to 1:57, this is on november 10th of 2021, this is miss mcconnell sends john a message, ethan crumbley is having a rough time right now, we need to speak with you shawn right back, i'm sorry i was in a meeting through the end of the day, i will catch up with him, were you ever made it or that there was some issue, on november 10th, where your son was having a rough time? >> no. >> did anyone from the school ever let you know. >> no. >> did you ever see anything like this prior to us getting materials in this case? >> now. >> if you heard your son was having a rough time, what would you do to follow up? >> i would talk to my son to

find out what's going on. >> okay. >> and i am going to minimize these for one second, i want to go back to some other dates that were discussed, and that were admitted, and i'm going to go back to march 20th, i'm sorry, we'll go in order. march 16th of 2021 the prosecution has admitted exhibits 85, 86, 85 through 94, and 85 shows you guys are making plans, and you say i'm gonna get drunk and ride my horse, can you explain to the jury what you meant by that, and i'll get it up on the screen? >> i was gonna have some drinks and ride my horse, it was st. patrick's day. >> that's on the 17th, correct?

>> the 16th, though, oh i'm up isn't messing up. 85. so 85 so on page 85, 4:32, you're right i'm gonna get drunk and ride my horse, what was your plan that night? >> i was going to have a couple drinks and go for a trail ride on the horse. >> did you do that that night? >> yes. >> and on people's proposed incidents 86, or they're in mid exhibit exhibit, this was the text thread between you and your son. this is the text where the prosecution admitted to show

that your son texted you, okay the house is now haunted. what time was that text at? >> 603. this is minus four, i don't know what that means. >> the next text, somewhere chip just happened, and now i'm scared. next one, i got some videos and a picture of the demon, it's throwing bowls. i'm not joking, it theft with a kitchen, i'm just going to be an outsider for a while. can you at least text back. okay, do you recall this day on march 17th 2021? >> it didn't stick out to me until this whole, no -- i don't recall exactly. i just remember it ever since we got discovery on this case. >> so on march 17th, there was

a point, did you ever see these texts? >> i probably didn't. not that time. >> do you recall seeing these texts at any point prior to this case? >> i'm sure i did. but they weren't, no -- i'm sure i saw them, but they didn't stick out to me until this case. >> why did they stick out to you? >> it wasn't anything that was anything serious, it was even just messing around. >> you have to explain to the jury, how did even mess around? >> he's been convinced our house has been haunted since 2015, it was built in 1920, around that timeframe him and his friend would go around to the basement and play a way to board, so they thought we had a house ghost. it was around that time when he would mess with us that things were going on in the house,

silverware was flying across the room doors were slamming, and he actually took a video of the door and showed me when i got home, and you can clearly see where he's standing back with his, phone looking at the door that is open, and you see him walk up the door and you can see him slam it, as i'm trying to say see our house is haunted, it was that kind of stuff that he did. >> did that continue on into 2021 when you would get messages like this? >> only a couple of times, i think it just he got over its, it wasn't -- he got bored with messing around with a ghost. >> did you mess around with him? >> yes. >> what did you do to him? >> when they were downstairs in the basement playing weedsport one night i went and flipped the circuit breaker off in the house, and he thought it was the ghost they conjured up on the weedy board. >> did james ever mess around with you or with ethan? >> yeah, a little bit. >> give us an example of what he did? >> he set a lamp fell off a

ledge in the basement, and so he named the ghost victoria -- >> were listening to jennifer crumbley testify in her defense here, she's facing four charges of involuntary manslaughter for her son shooting and killing four people, injuring others at oxford high school in 2021. and here we hear her explaining some text messages that have raised questions about whether her son perhaps was having some kind of delusions or hallucinations and whether she was ignoring that and not getting him the health treatment that the text revealed he needed, and she is explaining, or trying to explain here that actually he was just kidding around and trying to add some context, we will see ultimately if the jury believes what she is saying here. we are going to get in a quick break, we will be right back with more of jennifer crumbley's testimony from pontiac, michigan.

we want to get straight back to the courtroom with testimony of jennifer crumbley, the mother ethan crumbley, the shooter in the oxford high school shooting in 2021 is shooting -- testifying right now in her defense.

let's listen. >> why are you freaking out so much? >> because he didn't tell me he was home. and i think he must have did something with work, i couldn't get a hold of him, so why can i get a hold of you. >> did this concern you ultimately that something happened that day, or did this get resolved? >> i think he just got home and that was it. >> the next day, which would have been the ninth u.n. james went to the barn that together that day, correct? the prosecution provided pictures, gps exhibits phone, data exhibits, correct. >> on that day, we agreed that you were at the -- okay, and when you go to the prosecutors exhibit 82 that was admitted and you sent him a message to eaton that says where are you,

or even says you messaged -- i'm sorry, you sent a message to even saying where are you, at 3:17 and 32 seconds you to see minus five, my correct? >> so then ethan sends you all these tax, and you get home i, think someone's at home -- someone walked into the bathroom and flush the toilet, and left a light on. i thought it was, you -- know one is in the house though. dude, my door just slammed. maybe it just my paranoia. but when are you going to get home? what was going on that day? >> if you go back to the beginning of the thread you can see the time on there, that was the time i would be driving home from the bar in, and when i got home he was asking me why didn't answer the texts, and i

said we're stuff was going on in the house, and that was that. >> when you are walking in, you recall discussing the messages with him? >> it was mainly, i've been trying to text you, why didn't you answer? >> he said that, or you said that? >> he said that. i told him i was driving home, i was looking at my phone. >> why weren't you looking at your phone, or what is going on with -- did you have a signal, did you not have a signal, what's happening? >> i could have had a signal, i probably just had my phone in the front seat of the passenger side, and then look at it. >> do you are at the bar and -- >> no. >> which is signal like out there? >> i have metro pc as, but so it's not very -- at any bar not been at where there's any type of signal, you usually have to find the one spot you'll see everybody standing at talking on the phone, but it's not all over the bar. >> what about on the road to the barn? >> that barn we were at it was between oxford and grow and

area, so all those roads, once i passed the market it's all there is no signal, nothing, and then i have a signal, and then once i'm out the fire signal i won't have a station, when i had hit the grocery store i -- all the way in the barn, i had no signal. >> looking back on these texts now from march 9th, seeing him say that there's someone in the house that day, someone locked in the bathroom, left the, i love the light on. do you think you have a mental issues that day? >> now. >> what is your conclusion about these messages at this time? >> he's just messing with us. >> is this the kind of messing you previously talked about. ? >> all right, i want to go to march 20th. this is peoples exhibit 96 through 100, they established -- this is you, yes?

okay, and another picture of you and we've got data showing that you are out there, correct? >> correct. >> and there's a text message exchange that was admitted as peoples 96, and we'll put that up on the screen for you, okay? >> in people's 96, this is between you and your son, correct? >> correct. >> he says, can you at least text back, you're asking where is your dad, texting when you're done, done yet, and he starts up with i just -- i cleaned until clothes started flying off the shelf, this stuff only happens when i'm home alone, i pick the clothes back up though. >> that looks like 2:34 and we may be off by an hour so because of utc, this one's minus four, your next text is

jumping in the shower, text your dad if i don't respond. and your text no matter what the time zone is is six hours later. do you recall getting these text? >> it's two days in six hours later. >> i'm sorry, you're right. two days in six hours. do you recall getting these to couple on the 20th about i finish picking up the room, i cleaned until close started falling off the shelf, do you recall that? >> only when we got discovered. >> looking back on these dates, are you thinking oh my god he thought things were happening that were crazy? >> no. >> do you think anything of it now? >> now. >> what do you think is happening in those messages? >> i just think he was messing with us. >> those are three times where you guys are at the ranch and he's messing with you, is that a fair statement. >> yes. >> at that time, that was

months and months before november, it was in march, is that correct. >> yes. >> beyond march, was there other times where he was saying goofy text and messing around? >> no, i don't think so. >> so there's two more states i need to ask you about, i'm going to go to april 4th which was a sunday, and that is going to be exhibit, that was admitted one-on-one, so exhibit 101 are text messages, and these are between, who are these between? >> those were between my son and his friend. >> prior to this case, did you ever see any of these messages? >> i did not.

>> were you aware any of them existed? >> i was not. this is from april 4th and your son is saying sending messages and he saying i hear people talking to me and some in the distance, i actually asked my dad to take me to the doctor yesterday but he gave me some pills and told me to suck it up. it's at the point i'm asking to go to the doctor? was there ever a time where he has to go to the doctor around this time? >> i don't think so, no. >> then he says my mom laughed when i told her. >> was there ever a time when he was asking for help and you are laughing? >> no. >> he writes to his friends, and this is just later that night, but i'm having bad insomnia and paranoia. i need help, i was thinking of calling 9-1-1 so i could go to the hospital, but then my parents would be really paced. this is all one long conversation, is that right? he says, i'm going to ask my parents to go to the doctors

tomorrow or tuesday again, but this time i'm going to tell them about the voices. this instant message thread, did you ever, were you even aware of this? do you remember any time when he came to talk to you and said anything about hearing voices? >> no. >> do you recall there ever been a time when he asked you four to go to a doctor or to get help and you said no, or laughed at him. >> no. >> so when you see these texts with his friend do you have any idea, and if you don't that's fine, you have any idea what he's doing with his friend? >> i don't have any idea. >> do you know if him and his friend master around with each other like you and your husband do? >> speculation, judge. >> sustained.

>> when you are testifying earlier -- >> we're watching potentially pivotal moments in the defensive jennifer crumbley as she is testifying that her son never approached her with concerns about his mental health and desire to speak to mental health professionals about what he was experiencing, she talked about how he would often mess with his parents by texting them videos from the house apparently shutting a door, telling them that the house was haunted, serious questions about his mental status that she is trying to answer for, we'll see exactly how this plays out in court, we will monitor the developments there and bring them to you after we take a quick break. we will be right back.

we're listening to testimony from jennifer crumbley, the mother of the oxford high school shooter. that fatal shooting taken the lives of four students back in 2021, there in michigan. let's listen in as she's talking about the state of mind of her son in the months leading up to the shooting. >> did you do anything to -- when his friend was taken away, essentially, to the hospital, or the other school? >> i don't understand. >> did you do anything different as a parent in terms of spending time with your son? >> we did as much as we could. >> tell us about that. >> tell us about that month. >> we did more family game nights than normal, he was working a lot, i would check in with him and make sure he was

doing okay, that's why i started asking him to have friends at school that you can hang out with and if so, you're more than welcome to invite them over. i was more -- the fact that he was sad. >> even though he was that, did you feel like there is anything where he needed help or needed mental health treatment? >> now. >> was the loss of his friend being in his life anything that made you think he needed counseling or a therapist? >> not to that extent, no. . >> and we know unplug this so we can go to some questions that don't involve this. okay? okay. so we were talking earlier about that mothers some gun

range day, you already told the jury how the gun was put in the car and taken out, now did you ever tell brian maloney about the mother sunday at the range? >> i'm sure i mention it, yeah. >> did you ever tell brian that the gun was in your vehicle? >> yes. >> when did you tell brian that the gun was in your vehicle? >> on the day i went to the shooting range. >> did you tell brian you put the gun in your car the day the shooting happened? >> no. >> so when he testified to that, was that accurate? >> no, i think he was confused. >> did you specifically tell him about the gun being put in your car that other time? >> yes. >> aside from that time that you drove to the range, was the gun ever in your car? >> no. >> were you aware brian had memory issues? >> now i was not.

>> brian testified that he never met ethan, later in his testimony he said that he did. did he ever meet ethan? >> yeah, a couple times at the barn. he came to our house, help deliver a big tv that we got and my son was there. >> did you ever tell ryan anything about your son seeing things or making you upset in any way like that? >> now. >> did you ever tell brian anything about he had mental health issues that you are worried about? >> now. >> so when we read your messages, which the prosecution admitted 77 pages. it's fair to say the jury can read what you talked about, and you reflect on -- you talk about all the past with ethan, correct? >> correct. >> so the jury can read those, we don't need to go through those, you agree? >> i agree.

>> we've got to monday, monday's two days after you guys go to the mother sunday at the shooting range, monday -- we already talked about that, we talked about you talking to your son about it, right. i want to go to tuesday, the 30th. do you remember tuesday the 30th? >> i do. >> that day you saw an exhibit of you going into work, that happens? >> yes. >> we -- getting a call from john hopkins. >> correct, he left me a voice mail, i call them back. >> when you called back mr. hopkins testified that he sent to something, what did he send you. >> he sent me a copy of a math sheets that had scribbled out drawings on it. >> i want to ask you, the night before that scribbled out

drying thing came to you, did you have any interactions with your son? >> yes, we did. >> what were those about? >> i saw him on power school that he hadn't even geometry, so we got into an argument again about his grades, we took his phone away and told him that he couldn't go to the shooting range until his grades were brought back up. >> so you guys had this argument the night before, and we saw lots of messages where you thought everything was fined that tuesday morning, is that how you felt? >> yeah. >> when you got that math paper texted to you, do you recall saying to ethan on the phone on speaker? >> i asked him why he did that. >> what were you thinking at that point? >> i was actually kind of angry because i thought he was -- he did that in defiance of us yelling at him about missing assignments, and here he is

drawing pictures on an empty assignment page in geometry. >> so you felt he was specifically he was sending you a message about the night before? >> is it fair to say you took a personally? >> yeah, i did. >> what did you do? >> i had asked mr. hopkins to, if you have the original, and then he sent it to my email which then i opened up and looked at it and was like okay of. >> what did you think when you saw that? >> i was a little concerned. i was pretty concerned, he had asked for a parent to come to the school to meet with them and at this time of i tried calling my husband to see if he could go, because he was out in the area working, i couldn't get a hold of him so i decided to go to school. on the way to the school, he finally called me back and he met me at the school, so we went together. >> when you went into the school what did you think was

happening? >> i thought he was gonna get in trouble for what he drew on his assignment, i thought he was gonna get suspended i was, expecting a disciplinary meeting. >> how did you feel about what you saw on the paper? >> i felt concerns, after seeing that. >> we saw that you sent pictures of the math paper to kyra, to andy, to ryan, it's fair to say that you sent them around to people. >> i did. >> and to all those people we've already seen these exhibits, you expressed that concern. >> correct. >> what happens when you get to the school and you and james are separate, the detective testified he was wrong at first thinking you guys went together, you guys were separate but wet got there at the same time. went in. what was it like walking into the meeting with mr. hopkins and mr. -- who was there? >> when we first got there, mr. hopkins let us out in front of

where the administration's, and walked us back to his counseling office. when we walked in it was just him and then my son was sitting in a chair in front of his desk, working on something on his laptop. when we walked in he kind of showed us where to sit and then we shook hands, introduced himself, and we started the meeting. >> did you try to hug ethan or do anything like that. >> i didn't. >> how did that meeting go? >> if pretty nonchalant, it was pretty brief. he's basically told me in on what my son and him were talking about for the last hour and a half. he said that my son told me that he was feeling sad over the death of a dog we had, the mother-in-law, a loss of his friend. we talked a little bit about that, we confirmed it, we agreed it was hard on him.

he told us that he didn't feel my son was a risk, and actually gave him the option if you wanted to stay at school or go home. my son wanted to stay at school, so we all discussed that. >> did you feel like you or -- i am leaving him in the school whether he could be here or not. >> no, absolutely not. >> were you surprised or were you not surprised, did you have any feelings about whether or not he could have stayed in school? >> i thought the advice they were giving us was good advice. we talked about him being sad, and then he said being around piers usually helps. we all agreed but there was never a time where i would refuse to take

him home. i could easily, if he wanted to go, take him with me. i had no issues with that. >> ultimately, did you take the paper from the school? >> the counseling papers, yeah. there was a stack, 10 sheets with multiple counselors listed. >> okay. were you planning to do anything with that sheet? >> yeah, we were going to start -- i give it to my husband in the parking lot and i had phone calls at work the rest of the day. i told him to start making calls once he got done doing his door dash. >> the prosecution introduced and admitted an exhibit which was a search off of yahoo about conical depression treatments. do you recall ever -- do you recall ever searching that topic? >> i don't.

i don't usually use yahoo as a search engine. i use google. i don't know -- i don't recall it. no. >> do you recall how or if you ever saw anything on yahoo about legal depression? >> i don't remember specifically seeing anything. i might have looked at something when my husband was going through a hard time after his mother passed away. he was drinking a little bit more than usual and he wasn't right. i may have looked at something at that time seeing if he was depressed. but i don't know where yahoo came from. >> when you are on facebook and instagram and all those things, do you ever get bait stuff? >> sometimes on accident. sometimes i do on purpose. that search on yahoo, you don't remember ever putting that in the search bar? >> no. >> okay. but you are saying it is

possible you look at it? >> it's possible. >> okay. so, let's go back. you are at the meeting. how did it end? ethan or my son was going to go back to visit class. after he left, all four of us were in the meeting and they asked if we had any questions and we did not. i said, i'm going to go back to work and we left and i went to work and my husband did door dash. >> did you mean to be abrupt about ending the meeting? >> i didn't think i was abrupt. >> do you think you ended the meeting? >> it just automatically ended when they asked if i had any questions and i said no. >> okay. when there was testimony about that -- i'm sorry. strike that.

[ indiscernible ] >> all rise for the jury. >> a critical moment in the trial as jennifer crumbley was testifying there because previously her boyfriend or the man she was having an affair with, she texted him saying she was worried that ethan was going to do something dumb. she texted him that the morning of the shooting and this is her talking about this meeting where she goes to the school, clearly they have some concerns. she certainly is aware her son has access to a gun, but ultimately, she does not take her son home, nor does her husband. they did not immediately search for mental health professionals. she said she was going to do that later. >> the court taking a quick break. she didn't only tell people she was concerned, she also texted

photos of the images he was scribbling in class, writing things like the thoughts won't stop, help me, blood everywhere, drawing a bullet as well. she says in the meeting with school administrators, they told her that her son was not a risk. she says she thought the school was giving them good advice and at one point administrators asked if parents had any questions and that's where the meeting ended. clearly, a lot of important testimony still left to go. we also have cross examination after that. we will take a quick break and on the other side we will get into the very latest from pontiac michigan and what could be a historic trial. stay with cnn.

breaking news into cnn, we have been tracking a case that is testing the limits of potential criminal liability for parents whose children are involved in school shootings. jennifer crumbley, the mother of the michigan high school shooter has been testifying in her own defense, some really revealing moments in court about her personal life and her thoughts about what her son was going through in the months before the shooting and the same day that the shooting took place. >> so much of what she is saying, it certainly looks very different through the prism of what we know now. there are questions about whether she knew enough, right? that she could have intervened at the time and there is this question of the access to the gun, which she has been very much been pushing off to her husband. who will face trial next month. ignoring the mental health needs of her son, ethan crumbley. the meeting at the s