jones. thank you so much. and like you just said, be sure everyone to tune into vans, all new episode of the whole story with anderson cooper. it airs sunday at 08:00 p.m. eastern and pacific only here on cnn and tonight, we are going to try something new, looking back on the news, this night, on this day in history, journey all the way back to 1932 when one of the country's most infamous kidnapping cases broke out across the wires. the 20 month old son of the famed avi he ate are charles lindbergh, adducted from his family's home in new jersey. a ransom note was found on the nursery window sill, demanding $50,000. that's the equivalent of nearly $1.1 million. today it was dubbed the crime of the century. >> not a single suspicion, unverified in the search for the most famous baby in the world >> that case ended in tragedy,

two months later, the baby's body found just a few miles from the home, a german-born carpenter was ultimately found guilty and was executed the crime led congress to pass a law that made kidnapping a federal offense. and thank you for watching newsnight. laura coates live starts right now. >> what a week and it's only the first day of march tonight. and laura coates live thanks. really could not be any higher donald trump's preferred legal strategy, it comes down to a single world. well, actually three words, say with me delay, delay delay. >> you know, what it looks to be working. >> the mar-a-lago classified documents case could get pushed back until now, maybe even after the election in november.

and there has been no decision today from a judge in that make-or-break hearing of whether da fani willis and fulton county should be removed and disqualified, frankly, from georgia's election subversion case. the judge says, he will rule within two weeks, but the clock is ticking. >> so now they're adding another >> d word to the strategy. this time the word is distract. a parade of defense attorneys in georgia making the case all about fani willis and nathan wade's relationship about who lived where when, or how long they stayed in visited about who paid for what and how well she put her boyfriend in the spot, paid him, and then reap the benefits from it that she >> created the system and then didn't tell anybody about it >> lawyers for the da's office insist that there was no conflict of interest we have absolutely no evidence that ms willis received any financial gain or benefit of the

testimony was that ms willis paid >> all of the money back in cash and the judge, what does that? he's got some questions >> if someone buys their boss a stick of gum, is that per say, disqualifying because there's no materiality requirement >> well, no, i don't disagree that it may not meet materiality requirement, but it's a personal benefit is it a stick of gum first while you're if you're buying your boss to stick of gum, well, i have questions about that as well, but let's not >> forget what this entire case is really all about. >> the >> former president of the united states and others allegedly made efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia well, i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 loads, which is one more that we have because we won the state >> so on monday, nearly every

trump case may have been in a forward motion now, tonight, nearly every trump case is up in the air. the judge in the mar-a-lago case didn't even tip her hand when she might even set a new trial date, but she did it asked questions about the prospect of holding a trial close to election day with, you know, who potentially on the ballot. >> special counsel, >> da jack smith or herschel counsel? jack smith wants a july 8 start date. and then there's a supreme court set to hear oral arguments the week of april 22, on trump's claim that he has unity in jack smith's election subversion case. and the clock is ticking for trump to come up with now 454 million bucks in his new york civil fraud case. and that also adds interest on a daily basis and super tuesday, remember that? well, that is four days away let's bring in two prominent defense attorneys who know what it's like to have the weight of the government against them. former trump attorney tim

parlatore is here and criminal defense attorney brandi hardened, so glad to have both of you guys here. first of all, you all know how difficult it can be obviously to go against the government, right? it's the united states it's verses, there's a lot of resources at play, et cetera the strategy has to be either attack the timing of the trial. obviously, the defense is going to be key, but what is going to be the main strategy? i mean, trump is one defendant, but really his head is or not very unique, are they? >> you know it is one of those things where you want to try to attack the evidence. this is a unique situation because of the election and because of the possibility of him becoming president again, where i think that they are going for more of a delay tactic to see if they could push it out past that but it's it's a very odd situation and not something you normally have to deal with. >> well, it seems very transparent, brandy. i mean, if we're all speculating about

the idea of the motivation to push beyond the election, which is interesting and of itself wouldn't a judge will then see right through that. >> i would think so. and it's clear that in all of these cases, what's happening is delay. delay, delay. >> in every single one of these cases, i think his legal team asks for more time. they asked for different dates. i think today in the florida case, initially, jack smith said he could do it in july and they said, oh, well, i mean, we really don't want to do it this we don't want to do with this here at all. but if we have to do it, we can do it in august. and i think there's a strategy reason behind that that would keep the case that's in front of judge chutkan in us district court here in dc from happening really at all because i think the government said today they're going to call about 40 witnesses in that case in florida. and if you have 40 witnesses at a trial, there's no way there's going to be enough time for another trial. before the election. >> and of course, the supreme court has until the end of june

decide what they want to do. you're taking this week time. all right. i mean, april 22, oral argument for cases like gop, right now, not a whole lot of urgency. if you do the math and do the calendar, it looks at that, tim, that would mean maybe june. you might have a holding and a ruling from the supreme court then you've got a trial date in july or august. that's only room for one before the general election. >> well, and that presumes that you were able to get it get to trial that quickly. i mean, there still our emotions and discovery and all of the other things you normally do in the case. and one of the things here when they are asking for a germans have passed the election it does really tip your hand. i mean, the reality is cases like this case is with this significance of discovery. they don't get tried within a year. they don't get tried within two years. but here's the thing. we don't ask for germans in that length of time. >> yeah >> we asked to push it out for four months and then at the end of the foremost we say, you know, judge, we've gotten this

much more discovery. this is how far we've gotten. we've had this problem with this problem. these are the reasons why we need to push out and having lip service right? and the gamesmanship of trying to strategize and say let me kick the can a little bit more down the road. >> it's how it's how these cases are normally done. but the thing is for the judge, every four months or six months, you're coming in and you're giving factual based updates of here's where we are. here are the obstacles and here's why we need it. you know, pushed out so that all sides can be ready for trial as opposed to what's going on with an election. >> well, speaking of election, how about election subversion and rico cases? i'm tapping down to georgia right now. why? because tonight and >> today was a >> hugely significant moment. it was the closing arguments on the da fani willis is disqualified have a cation. now their job not fani willis, the job with those people who are moving to her that i keep it straight defense prosecution is all flipped right now. they have a burden to prove there was a conflict of interest. the

judge today had a lot of questions about whether they connect those dots when you look at the fact that the judge brandi was focusing on whether an appearance of impropriety would be enough. does that bode well for fani willis >> it does not, but i don't think that they met the standard. i think that's why the judge has a lot of questions. i think that the state certainly argued that they think that you need to have an actual conflict. and here, i think they not only have not established an actual conflict, i don't think they've established even the air of impropriety. however, if they do establish air of impropriety, i do think that that's going to be enough to disqualify her while i don't think that she should be qualified. i think if the judge goes with the standard of air of impropriety, she might in fact get disqualified. that's a big part, right. if the case law really says that are not, but then there was this moment i want you to listen to this. it was steve sadow who is the trump attorney in this instance. and he was focusing on that now, infamous chert

speech, where she's spoken, it's roughly black church fritch sat in georgia and she questioned as to why they were only focusing on the black prosecutor, nathan wade, although it's part of a larger team, listen to what the trump attorney had to say about this, what he perceived as an ethical disqualification da willis took it upon herself to go to a historic >> black church in atlanta, having not responded at all to the motion ms merchant's client, roman, and she made what we now call the church speech. it was a calculated determination by ms willis too prejudice the defendant and their counsel. how by making an issue out of the fact that the person that was challenged in the roman motion was black this was a big moment. i mean, translation, he's saying she played the race card. now the jury things that everyone is against this particular group.

and here's the issue. >> did you think that was compelling at all? but the idea of the jury pool being tainted, did that play? >> i don't think so. i don't think that that's an argument that holds any weight. i do think that that's what they want to try to put in the public out to the public is that this is a race issue. and quite honestly, i think when he starts to mention that it was a black church that's not really relevant to anything, only what she says is actually relevant. and i think that they're just trying to muddy the waters with that argument. i don't think it holds much weight when i played the religion aspect. a two to suggest that she was quoting parts of scripture that god was on her side, that she was righteous in her pursuit of justice. and they played the race and religion aspect of it. would that have been effective, has that you would have employed, you know, i would have probably brought that up as a minor point. relevant only to her credibility because ultimately the issue here is the misconduct that is alleged. and you know, when she's

saying oh, i paid them all back in cash that's a question of credibility. and so if you can then go and show these other situations where she's going around doing things that bear on her credibility in this situation. i think it's relevant for that purpose, but should she be disqualified because she's going into a black church and saying they're only targeting the black prosecutor? absolutely not. no. it's not relevant to that purpose. >> well, you know, it just silly enough. we were saying her being as qualified, right? but if she is his glorified, the entire team, you got this prosecuting counsel that comes in and then assigned. and i do mean the signs because nike really plum position to have this scrutiny, to have security, to have people attacking you in a variety of ways. so everything could go away. and the stakes are that high. you may be a point, maybe it's death by thousand credibility cuts the point was made. we'll say, thank you both. tim parlatore, brandi harden. thank you so much. ever since a fulton county grand jury indicted donald trump. and by the way, 18 others back in august, fani willis has been in the spotlight and under a whole lot of pressure there's a lot

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from those who seem to know are best and how we got here now i just remember from the campaign when she ran the hair whole premise was we can do >> better, doing better and doing the right thing. that's the motto so many if fani willis, his friends and former colleagues say she lives by the fulton county district attorney carney was elected to office in 2020 unseating a sixth term. da paul howard. >> tonight, fulton county has spoken up loud and clear. >> willis has been a lawyer for 28 years after attending undergraduate school at howard university, she went on to emory university law school. >> she he says that ever since she was a little girl, the only thing she ever wanted to do was practiced law. her inspiration she says was her father on the time i was 78 or nine, i was putting my father's files together, which were mainly murderers and drug cases born

in inglewood, california, willis spent time between divorced parents, but john floyd raised her as a single father in washington, >> dc, where he practiced law as a criminal defense attorney, which led to many days spent with him in the courtroom when she was a child, as so many single women or fathers? no, he wouldn't have anywhere to take me on saturdays. and so our routine would be that on saturdays he would go to court because he was a criminal defense lawyer and guess what, on friday night, a lot of folks get locked up and so he would be there saturday for those first appearance hearings to represent the clients i would just sit in the courtroom before willis became the da. she was in private practice for five years then an assistant district attorney, the chief municipal court judge of south fulton, and then she had one failed attempt at running for superior court judge, and then people started coming to me saying we need a da that's going to be fair. >> she's led more than 100 jury trials. and the rico case. she's brought against trump and his allies is not her

first. she coped, prosecuted a massive rico case, the longest criminal trial in georgia history in the atlanta public schools cheating scandal, which ended in 11 of 12 convictions that's around on the time bishop reginald jackson met willis, i was immediately dawn did fragment this sister is ready to fight because this issue with that important to her. >> now as the highest law enforcement official in fulton county, she's facing scrutiny over relationship she had with nathan wade, the lawyers she handpicked to be the top prosecutor in the sprawling georgia election subversion case. she's brought against donald trump and his allies. >> so this is the only receipt that you have to show that she paid for travel. >> one of the defense attorneys in that case filing a motion in january alleging willis financially benefited from appointed wade to the post. a defiant willis refuting those claims when she took the stand in her own defense, do you

think i'm on trial? these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial, georgia attorney gay banks says he was offered the top prosecutor job for wade was he's known willis since he started working at the da's office with her in 2007, she supported me when i was a young prosecutor in that office. i mean, just go out of her way to help me in it. it it is one of the reasons why am who i am today just because of that friendship he says he knows the influence fani, his father, has had on her. >> i think that fani's hero is her father. >> as a matter of fact, i gave my daughter her first cash box and told her always keep some cash to this day, willis, his relationship with their father remains very close. >> the only man who's ever foot my bills completely really is my daddy, charlie bailey and fani willis have been friends since he was a self-proclaimed baby prosecutor in the da's office ten years ago.

>> she's a daddy's girl she says her love of the law and her sense of justice that no, no one is better than anyone else. i mean, that is that as her father, marvin arrington, a criminal defense attorney in fulton county commissioner, was friends and classmates with willis at emory law school. he says they've been friends ever since she is definitely a competitor she likes to compete, but she knows how to temper that with fairness. >> ladan beckett says she's been friends with willis almost 20 years. she met her when she was a young prosecutor in the district attorney's office she just seems so intelligent and confident about what she knew about the law, but more than anything, it was clear she was passionate about her job i've as a prosecutor, she is a formidable force. >> cnn correspondent, nick valencia has covered fani willis since she took office. >> i spoke to the judge who

presided over the atlanta public school cheating scandal and he described fani willis to me as a bulldog and said to me that he would never want to be on the other side of her if she was a prosecutor, her friends say that bulldog didn't get to where she is without having to make sacrifices along the way, especially when it came to raising her two now grown daughters. >> i think the single most sacrifice that any single mother makes has been working long hours in trying to raise two girls in a respectable way. fani did that and she did it well, i watched her as her girls got older and older where she had to balance and shuffle being a mom or rightly, two girls, it took a truce village of her friends and family than coworkers to make sure that she could do her difficult job while raising her girls. their beautiful, brilliant girls. >> and not least of all, the security risks she has had to face since taking on the role as district attorney, particularly since her office began investigating the election subversion case against trump. soon after she

was elected as da. >> i can just imagine the khan, the pressure that she's been on bit but also not to be able to really have a personal life now, when you can't be at home, you can go out to eat. he can go to a movie. you can have people come over. that's a tough life. >> there's no real comparison. i can make with anything approaching what she deals with on a day-to-day basis. she never anticipated this, but whoever anticipated you know, a president trying to over throw the government. >> i don't think other prosecutors that we've covered would be able to survive this kind of pressure that she has been able to withstand for years now, and her friends all agree none of this will stop fani willis. >> i knew from the very beginning when the entire issue came out about whether or not she was going to indict former president trump one of the co-defendants. i mean, she wasn't going to bring a case

unless she had a case, it did not matter how much people were pressuring her to bring a case unless she thought she had some good basis to go forward, she wouldn't go forward. and now that she's gone forward, she's not going to back down just because they're swinging mud, you know, there might be some prosecutors say, well, i'm just not going to do that because i don't want the threats that that that is not something fani willis could ever do because it's not hurt she's much braver than just about anybody i've ever met >> now the big question tonight, there'll be decided anat? will fani willis be able to fend off the push to disqualify her. >> and by the >> way, what message does it send? >> if she is disqualified? >> my next guest is a former da also in georgia and you know what? he to face a motion to disqualify. >> robert james joins me next >> die. i'm not guilty. >> i am resigning administration officials

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from that position, is the appearance of a conflict enough to do so >> well, so the case law says the appearance of a conflict you know, it's enough for at least it suggested, you know, their cases on both sides, but speaking practically, you know, when i went through it, when i was the district attorney into cobb county and i sat in the same seat that ms willis sits just in different county. it's uncomfortable you know, lawyers aren't used to being cross-examined and, you know, if you're if someone is trying to exclude you from a case where disqualify you from a case if it's a high-profile case my case was their cameras in the courtroom everyone is staring at you and the lawyers on the other side are being aggressive. and it's not fun. it's uncomfortable than the hardest thing is to keep your cool and be a lawyer. be the public official and not be wounded as the individual and react that's a great point

because you did hear a little bit of this today in terms of whether fani willis was a disinterested are interested party, a legal way of >> describing whether somebody in fact was going to be objective, taking a step back, having the professional approach or having a more personal stake. and what was happening in the actual proceeding? they even mentioned that she herself has been disqualified in the past. it was back in 2022, and she was blocked by a judge from developing a case against a fake trump elector because she had hosted a fundraiser for one of the political rivals of that fake elector. when you look at that and they've mentioned it in court today, are there any parallels from her behavior there to the current case? and i would note the judge in that matter sent him to say that was a kind of what were you thinking moment. is that applicable here? >> yeah, i don't think so and i don't necessarily agree. i mean, i understand judge

mcburney's ruling, but look, the reality is that when you're da when you run for office, you make friends and the da is not just a prosecutor, the da is also a politician and so you have to run for office ever use, you have to raise money, you have to shake hands and kiss babies, and go to community meetings and you have to have political allies. and so the public trust that the da will be fair and impartial and prosecute someone, even if, you know, even if that individual has some sort of connection to somebody, they have a connection i don't really see the parallels with this case because this case is involving a personal relationship where she's alleged to have personally benefited from that personal relationship, a personal romantic relationship. and so it's really hard to draw the parallels other than they were the lawyers in both cases. we're asking for her to be excluded from the case. >> it is thinking that she is elected, i think is an important part here, really quick though, limited time, we have left robert. how was his

playing in the legal community in georgia? i just can't help but wonder what everyone's thinking well, i think that, you know, the fact that she was having a relationship whenever we started >> i think a lot of lawyers understand that because it happens in law offices and it may not be wise, but it does happen. i think the biggest challenge is the, idea that someone may have been untruthful, and i think lawyers are coming down on both sides of that of that issue, whether or not you know, she was untruthful, whether or not nathan wade was untruthful, then before the court and, you know, all of the ethical implications and legal implications that come along with that. and so it's pretty controversial. the legal community is split and you we've got to see what happens. >> well, we have less than two weeks actually see that result. robert james. thank you for your candor and your insight tonight. thank you. >> thank you >> up next, the real housewives of new york city, turning into the real legal drama of new york city one of the stars of

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established a rotted workplace culture that uniquely dependent on pressuring its employees to consume alcohol defendant cohen tend to provide the housewives with whom he uses cocaine with more favorable treatment and edits. now in a statement is cnn a representative for the bravo host has said this, quote, the claims against andy are completely false nbc universal says that they are conducting an investigation into the recent allegations, and we should note that warner bros discovery is one of the defendants named in this lawsuit >> it division of which >> produced real housewives of new york wbd is also the parent company of cnn, and we have reached out for comment. >> let's >> talk about all this now with cnn, legal analyst, joey jackson. i'm so glad that you are with me here today. listen, joey this is actually not the first time that this reality tv franchise has been accused of toxicity and substance abuse. however, leah mcswain, he has

gone further. she claimed that the producers discriminated against her mental health disability ladies, and sabotaged her sobriety by encouraging her to drink, causing her to relapse on its merit, how significant are these allegations? >> he know, laura. good evening. good to be with you. it's a blockbuster lawsuit. let's say that and you're right to call them allegations because we know what a lawsuit you can say. anything and boy, does she and so with regard to the merits, that's yet to be determined because there are allegations, but it goes on for 100 nine pages, very specific details. they are 35 different legal claims about hostile work environment and retaliation and not letting her go to her or her alcohol anonymous meetings and not letting her go to her visit her grandmother, and a funeral, et cetera. i mean, wow. and so the issue is going to be as i see it, on the one hand, with reality tv law, you

know what you're getting into, right? it's not new, you know that there's really train wreck evade is a lot happening and so to the extent that you may have these elements are maladies, right? perhaps that's not the venue or forum for you. so why subject yourself to it right? on the other hand, and you don't want housewives gone wild than an employer has an obligation to have an environment which is conducive to those who are participating. and you don't forfeit your right to have an employer do the right thing. so those are the competing interests here ultimately, they have to be proven and we'll see what happens in discovery as people thought that yet the post posed an answer your questions and give evidentiary value to the allegations as they exist now. >> and i had to tell you everything you mentioned that laundry list of things. i remember actually watching unfold in part, watching the for franchises. >> but you know, >> something tells me will be cameras nearby regardless, but you point to a very important thing because bravo has frankly long been committed. they argue

to maintaining a safe work environment. that's the crux of what your position wedge is now saying that and they've said in a statement to cnn, i'm going to quote here, bravo has long been committed to maintaining a safe and respectful workplace for all cast and crew on our shows for the last several years we have been working with our third-party production companies to enhance our protocols, including stricter guidelines on alcohol consumption, direction on when to intervene to maintain the safety of cast and crew increased psychological support, enhanced workplace trainings, more serious consequences for physical balance onset, and a requirement meant to provide cast and crew with the direct line to nbc universal to raise concerns. a number of claims that were made by leah mix sweeney were previously investigated and unsubstantiated. joey, when you hear me read what their statement is just think of the disclaimer sort of things that you are assigning, knowing that this is all enveloped in the conversation, what's your

reaction? >> yet? well, that's very true, right? because when you're entering into something like this, it's it's television where its reality, right? people are engaging with each other on a different level. that's what makes it for entertainment. the unscripted nature of what happens. and so on. the one hand, yes. right. you know that you want to provide is that statement provided an atmosphere where people have guidance and direction and it's safe and healthy. on the other hand, kind of anything goes right. >> so the last part of >> that statement also so struck me because they said that they investigated. they want substantiated. so you know where they're going with that lower they're going to talk about the fact that she's disgruntled, that she didn't she wasn't on the show any longer. that there's no proof to the assertions that she's making that this is something that she's just doing because she didn't get what she wants. that certainly coming. but at the end of the day, if you sign from reality tv, read the contract, read the clauses, know you're getting into, and

it is no secret that reality tv is what it is. >> well, you know, you make a good point about what you're signing up for the other hand that goes both ways. those who create the content for reality shows the networks and beyond must know what they're signing up for as well. and that's the maybe the employee employer relationship and a workplace environment that comes as part of it as well. joey, this is a civil case as you well know, so i suspect this is going to be a lot of discovery what will be public and not well, i'm going to lean in either way. joey jackson. thank you so much what the france. >> how you do whatever >> the house if i do, i'm not saying well, i do when i'm saying thank you, joey jackson >> thank you. >> it could be the weekend of records. i'm talking basketball records. >> will caitlin clark make >> nc doublet history? will lebron james, are you known as the gop? hit a huge points

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iowa's caitlin clark. they are each set to add to their already mind-boggling list of milestones. i'm bringing in cnn contributor cari champion because she can do this best. caitlin clark, number one, first of all, just announced is going to be her final college season then she's entering the wnba draft this year. she's only 18 points away from owning the all time college scoring record that by the way, that's for women and men's basketball. that's extraordinary carry caitlin clark. >> and >> this is what i will say about her. i don't want to get into just yet, but i will i don't want to get into why everyone loves her so much. but when i will tell you, she is a pure athlete, what i mean by that is you can tell that when as a baller, all she cares about is the game. she doesn't care about the outside, the fame, the frills that come with it. she wants to be the best that has ever done it. and when you look at someone like her, you have to appreciate her

excellence. and there have been these questions about whether or not she's the greatest. i do think it's too early for that and i would i would say the same for i know it's difficult for us to talk about patrick mahomes. is he better than brady? let's just pump the brakes. let's enjoy what she is done for the college game. but more specifically, how she's grown the sport for women caitlin clark has more attention than women do in the wnba. and i think that can only help when she announces that she wants to go pro wasn't actually heard making that decision to enter the wnba draft carry i think just going into senior night having that decision clear, not only for myself, but our fans, my teammates i think that was super important and honestly just i don't know getting the weight of the world off my shoulders and being able to enjoy this last these last, this last month with my teammates, i think is the biggest thing. >> i mean, it may respected people are comparing you and thinking you're the greatest. there's a different weight that's added to you in a different level of scrutiny,

added to you as well. by the way, according to ticket sale prices the price is to see kaitlan's last regular season home game or the most expensive for any woman's basketball game ever. i mean college or wmba. now, the idea of talking about her as an athlete though, there has been some criticism about the amount of praise bestowed upon her. what's your reaction >> i believe that's fair. i think it's fair criticism. it's the same debate that we would have if someone said who's greater lebron or jordan lebron or colby? colby or jordan. the reason why it's too soon, too he does praise on caitlin clark is because i really don't think there's been a full record a fair record, if you will, of what has happened in the collegiate level, as well as the wnba, for instance, i think asia wilson who plays with the las vegas aces is arguably one of the best players ever seen in the women's game. she doesn't get the same amount of tension and there's the reason why. so to

stick with me here, laura, and i don't want to offend anyone, but there's a story here. caitlin clark is middle america. she represents the majority. she looks like your sister. she looks like your daughter. she looks like a friend. there are people who have never watched the sport a lot of parts of this country that really do enjoy who she is, and the sport that has been predominantly dominated by black women now has someone who feels familiar to the majority and she's getting more attention than others who probably are better than her are getting. and it's not because it's a race issue, but it was exemplified biden highlighted in last year's final. they had this versus angel reese versus caitlin clark. what was angel reese so mean to caitlin clark? well, she wasn't it was the optics of a black young woman taunting a young white woman. and it may people who weren't familiar with the game uncomfortable although they became a fan of caitlin clark, a gru the sport

but trash-talking defeats all color lines. it is a rite of passage as a champion, and i'm speaking for myself and those who played his game. well, it is a rite of passage to trash talk but caitlin clark brought many people in. some would say the same way that larry bird brought many people who didn't really pay attention to the nba end, as opposed to magic johnson while we love magic johnson, people larry bird, because they were like second, he's dead it's same way. the same exact way. tiger brought many blacks to the sport of golf. it's interesting. it's different. i'm paying attention. >> well, i'm leaning in as well and some some reason it reminds me a whole lot. when christian laettner was put on the olympic team. i don't know what it is. there's something about that. those who remember that time, though exactly what i'm talking about. we didn't get to lebron james, but you know what man there's not enough time in any show to talk about lebron

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