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>> hello everyone, and welcome to the amanpour, hour. here's where we're headed. this shaken by the suffering top international aid leader yan egeland seize the situation in gaza with his own eyes. >> you have to come to gaza to understand the devastation that the tuition and the desperation of the people here also ahead, psychologist mary trump's analysis of her uncle's obsession with the strong man syndrome. >> it is really no laughing matter when at that point the leader of the free world is being described as a pre-pubescent child, then the horse race and an age-old dilemma why the obsession over biden's age, mrs. the point i wonder whether paying people are as aware of trump's authoritarian plans as they are of biden's age.

>> also, this hour, troubled waters. the death of two chinese fishermen, spot confrontation off the coast of taiwan there is conflict. both sides would be devastating >> and from my archive civilians under siege in sarajevo dodging sniper fire to feel if their families, a father holds a half rotten apple for this year's risked his life welcome to the program, everyone. i'm christiane amanpour in london. the impact of the war in gaza is ratcheting up on israel, on the united states and on the people of gaza, them selves. more than 30,000 an hour dead, close to half of them children. the unthinkable tall of israel's offensive there since the october 7 attack by hamas. in an astonishing conversation this week unrwa chief philippe lazzarini told me the looming famine in gaza is now so bad that some people have been

eating animal feed to survive. and even that now is running out. >> we hear more and more situation where there is not even enough animal food for human consumption for the people there. >> let me just stop you what do you say? >> animal foods good for human consumption. that's what they're relying on. there's not even an offer >> that we there is not even enough of animal food and invalid folder for people to eat or to do bread with animal of florida. >> and at the end of the week this crisis was evident when more than 100 people were killed under israeli fire and then trample in the chaos after trying to reach food distribution trucks. that situation is just what the head of the norwegian refugee council, yan egeland, had warned me about earlier this week, yan egeland, welcome to the program from rafah. >> thank you very much. >> what is it like? like to be

there and see it for the first time? we've heard a lot. we've seen pictures, we hear reports from inside. what are you seeing with your own eyes >> christiana you have to come to gaza to understand the devastation that tuition and the desperation of the people here >> i have never in my >> many, many s's network seen a place that has been shown bombarded for such a long time with such attract public relation without any escape. so people are traumatized beyond belief. they live under the most horrific conditions. i wasn't a school today with 50 people sleeping in a small classroom you know, 250, 200 people sharing one latrine and no real water.

>> food >> too few mattresses, even we're trying to do all we can as the norwegian refugee council. >> but >> we're really, really overstretched in this ocean of needs you know, finally, the international community has started to airdrop some aid. but what we saw was that some of it dropped into the sea and the pictures are really ones of, you know, i mean total just panic. people, scavenging, people are fighting each other, people are trying to get these plastic. i guess their military rations can they be no better way of delivering aid even in the midst of a war. >> they can be a much better way really. and it's up to israel with the united states and egypt to fix it. you know, as people who are saying, how can we send aid into the people

who killed our women and children and kidnapped our people. so the politics is even playing out and the trauma on the border there. but i want to ask you how you react to let's just say palestinians who talked to reuters said about the airdrops we came throwing ourselves toward death to get some flour. we can't find anything. have mercy on us. and other said, our life has become hell and we know because a cnn investigation found that israel actually fired on a un, un convoy carrying food supplies earlier this month, february 5 >> yes. yes. >> and also say, i mean >> it's beyond belief that people who are mourning, of course, the worst massacre in the history of israel good on the october >> what believed >> that taking it away food from children and women completely innocent, had

nothing to do with 7 october could cannon anyway, helped the poor hostage, which is here the hamas militants have food and they are in tunnels they have nothing to do with the people that we ate. >> the chaos yes. around the aid line is becoming worse and worse because there's so little aid coming in today >> i'm >> pretty shaken actually from what i saw the minute we cross the border from orderly and specially populated cni, you you see the aid trucks going full speed down the road being chased by gangs of youth who jumped the trump. the trucks. and before is loot mattresses, blankets, food, et cetera to

the desperate people outside who want to get some aid. >> so jan. yan is this key. is this stealing or is this an attempt to distribute this is crazy away as you describe to distribute this aid. >> i think it is actually sulfurs self-service, bi those strongest have received no aid and we'll have grandmothers, children, nephews, who are starving >> people are not >> looting each other they loot what they see as an international community coming with, taught to little to them. so then they take what they can get >> we >> have especially way of going in with nrc. we have had known our trucks looted, yet, and we

do orderly distributions with local organizations, but i don't let who have have to use there open trucks in a situation of desperation. and by the way, the police, which was supposed to have some ordering, this was bumped repeatedly by his red, the blue blue uniform police so that's done. now, they are in civilian clothing. try are in civilian clothing trying to shoot in the air. no it's reloads, so anarchy and some places. >> let me ask you them because you're in refers specifically, you've probably had some access towards khan yunis, but what a lot of people people are very concerned about right now, including the residents who we can manage to hear from oren, the north. there's a picture that we're going to play. it's a mother who says there's no more milk in the enclave, or at least up there. >> so she's

>> wrapping a date in a goals and letting her baby boys suck on it as if to suck all the juice out of this date we have heard that there are stories of young children saying that they would rather die. we've heard adult say they are going to they're preparing to die. they think they will all die can you get to the north where we understand there is a famine rising there? what do you know about the north? will you go to the north? >> but i'm not able myself now to go to the north and i see it has 88 workers in the north and they are themselves starving we've got a little bit of food to our aid workers the other day. >> but >> the convoys have really been sorely looted from the desperation and normlessness in this bombarded north so there's very little way, there

is very little supplies that to start with, so hamman is breaking out there. there's no other way to describe it, which again shows that the army crossing, which is awesome from israel, it's really could fix this they are the occupying power. they have overwhelming military superiority. they could have convoys going over carney crossing, which is in the middle area from where you can easily reach the north. it's very hard from him the south in rafah and kerem shalom area >> it's really such a disaster. listening to you is very, very disconcerting. yan egeland. thank you very much, indeed. >> thank you. thank you for having me and as this sheer basic desperation for food turns more deadly, later, i will show you how the people of gaza besieged and under fire >> face the same humanitarian horrors that i witnessed covering the bosnia war during the 990s. the civilians under

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a.m. welcome back. >> now, former president trump reportedly has an old friend in town next week. he's hungry he's right-wing prime minister viktor orban, who has turned his country into the definition of an illiberal democracy or ban is said to be on route for a private meeting at trump's florida club and they'll have plenty to agree on, like, their affinity for president vladimir putin of russia, who o'ban has quoted publicly and trump has praised for his quote, strong control over russia. how will authoritarianism and trump's admiration for these so-called strong men play with voters in november let's bring in the former president's niece, who also happens to be a clinical psychologist mary trump. welcome back to the program. so let's start by asking you that question. have you ever been surprised or is it true to type that your uncle showed such an

affinity for people like all ban or xi or putin, or even kim jong un of north korea, who we went so miles and miles over to asia to actually meet a couple of times. >> now, actually one of the things that should worry everybody about donald is that he has never evolved beyond the kind of person he was when he was very young. >> and it's not at >> all surprising because he grew up in an authoritarian household and because of the way my grandfather, who was a white straight up sociopath, was it donald became the favorite son and he knew what he needed to do in order to stay on my grandfather's good side because he also understood what would happen to him if he didn't so he is very comfortable in this milia and it is extremely important to him that he get the benefits of associating with strong men like or ban and putin. but also

that he beyond their good side you know, that's really interesting the way you frame it. the good side, the fact that as a boy, he wanted to please his father. let me play for you something that a contemporary of his, when he was in office, the australian prime minister said recently about him and putin. >> i mean, i've been with trump and putin trump is in order of putin he's when you see trump with putin, as i have on a few occasions he's like the 12-year-old boy that goes to high school and meets the captain of the football my hero it is really creepy. >> so you know, that was done in that context. it was a lot of yuck, yuck, but i'm really stunned by how what you said and i didn't know what you're going to say about his childhood matched exactly what a former prime minister of australia witnessed. >> yeah, and i think what's important to know that most people certainly wouldn't and

it is really no laughing matter when at that point the leader of the free world is being described as a pre-pubescent child with a crush on an older, more powerful person. >> is it >> what the consequences are. it's not simply that donald knew that by fulfilling his father's demands to be the quote, unquote killer, to be the successful one. >> it was understanding what >> would happen to him if he failed to do those things because he had an object lesson in my father, who was quite literally destroyed by his inability to fill the role. my grandfather required of him so many layers to this. so can i ask you then again this leads from what you've just said he absolutely has an obsession with success. so what do you think it means to him? what keeps him up at night, for instance, about the latest one of the latest legal rulings which said that he had to pay something like half $1 billion

in this in this money business case in new york. >> yeah. well, there are a few things. first of all, i think it's really important to clarify. it's not that he'd be successful. it's that he be seen to be successful because deep down donald knows that he is nothing of what he tends to be. he's nothing like the portrait he shows to the world, at least to those people who were inclined to believe the myths he tells about himself, right >> so i >> think what keeps him up at night, other than a lot of diet coke would be this concern. one, that he doesn't actually have the money, which is a distinct possibility >> we could >> say that this offer to come up with only $100 million was a ploy to buy more time or to see if it would work but he may not indeed have that much cash would reveal not just to the

world, but you himself, that he is not as rich as he claims to be. he is not the savvy businessman who's been betrayed in new york tabloids since the 1980s. and that would be a crushing blow, not just chew his image but chew his sense of himself >> many from i want to ask you because you opened the admit you haven't actually spoken to him for all these reasons because you disagree with him and this since 2017, but let's just go back to 2015 when he came down the escalator with melania in that whole choreographed announcement of candidacy. when you see that, and those pictures and you fast forward to those now and him back on the campaign trail. do you see anything's changed? you do you see anything different? >> yeah. >> listen, i think for anybody in his position, it would be impossible not to be affected by the massive amounts of stress he is under the conflicts just the stress of

running again, the stress of having lost, you know, it's going to take its toll. i see somebody who's quite desperate and who is terrified i think deep down, donald has always been a terrified little boy. but the truth is, he has much, much more to be terrified about now his entire future hinges on his ability to get back into the white house. and despite the fact that there are plenty of people helping them out, including it would appear some members of the supreme court that is not something that he can totally count on so he's going it's going to impact his ability to think straight, to express himself. we've seen in the last decade or so, the difference in how he performs during depositions, for example, he appears to have much less impulse control and he appears to have a much less inability to be coherent for any length of time. so yes, i

do see differences and i think we can put that down to the fact that his life is just a constant stress >> mary trump. thank you. very much, indeed. and coming up on the show, media critic margaret sullivan says, it's time to skip the clickbait coverage. this election cycle and get back to reporting the real the issues. but first, we show you the dangerous game of cat and mouse between china and taiwan at sea madame chancellor. >> back scholz a bit more than infatuation >> this masha face. >> and we'll have you think it'll help anyone who dares insult me or my country? shall feel my gut >> regime streaming exclusively

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that incident happened, where the chinese coast guard boarded the taiwanese tourist boat and checked everyone's id spoofing a lot of the people on board you can see how close we are to the skyline of the chinese city of shaman. there are chinese construct russian boats all throughout these waters pretty easy to mix up, which side the chinese side of the taiwanese side, you're on. when you're this close, cross strait tensions rising here ever since the lunar new year holiday a chinese speedboat capsized in a chase with taiwan's coast guard similar to this one several years ago, chinese fishing boat boats accused by taiwan of trespassing the islands territorial waters more than 1,000 times last year alone. >> guy, quite enough. so she has the speedboat was snaking, trying to evade inspection and even drifting. it capsized and for people fell into the sea to chinese fishermen drown, two others survived, telling a

conflicting story. >> you couldn't, even if we make quick turns, we won't capsize. it only capsize when it was rammed into an infuriated beijing accuses taipei of covering up the fishermen's deaths chinese officials blamed taiwan's ruling party reiterating beijing's sovereign claim over taiwan, promising to step up patrols in the area. taiwan is deploying its own coast guard in response. analysts say the mainland may be testing how far it can push taiwan trying to erode its ability needed control waters long governed by taipei. we've been out on this vote for less than two hours. we've already seen at least four chinese coast guard boats including that one right over there, which just made a u-turn our captain says that means they're monitoring us just like we're watching them rattling the nerves of taiwanese tour vote operators. do you worry that this could be the place? base where there could be the beginning of a bigger conflict

between taiwan and mainland china combine to be frank, i'm concerned, but this is not what all people want, which there is conflict. both sides would be devastating >> both sides watching what happens next, sir? jane, tensions on the taiwan strait threatening to spill over will ripley, cnn, g-men taiwan quite concerning still to come on the show from my archive, echoes of gaza today, civilians and the siji and sarajevo dodging sold to siege in sarajevo, dodging soldiers and and i prefer is the tail really wagging the dog over biden's age? >> and then, you know, there's all kinds of reports about well, the public is very concerned learned about this because he's dogged by these questions. well i ask. who's doing the dog in >> frank sinatra had connections with the mafia and

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columnist and academic margaret sullivan urges us to get real about the issues because this election is about much more than quote, chasing clicks margaret sullivan, welcome back to our program. >> thank you very much. so look, we wanted to talk to you because you wrote an article calling out, quote, the media is circular logic and destructive a session with biden's age. so i wanted to really drill down to make sure i fully understand. is it a problem for the biden campaign or is it a problem for or the people at large to really understand and know what's going on >> well, i think it distorts reality. we know that biden is old. he's 81. his likely opponent, donald trump, will be 78 very soon. and we're not telling the public, we're not really doing our job as members of the press when we fixate on something. and then there's all kinds of reports about well, the public is very concerned about this because he's dogged

by these questions. well, i ask, who's doing the dogging? >> the dogging you're saying is the press essentially in at least in part as you know, there's been quite a lot of exploration of this whole phenomenon. it's gone a bit viral democrats through in a bit of a tizzy about a lot of the reporting on it. but do you believe just to get it? clear, that age is a media invention >> no, absolutely not. i do not think that age is a media invention. it's a clear issue in the campaign biden's mental acuity and trump's mental acuity certainly deserve to be taken and seriously, i just think it's gone. it's become the only topic at times, margaret, i wonder whether you look back and worry about certain other issues that can be certainly in retrospect,

very bothersome. and the media played a very negative role in terms of this hurdle. mentality. whether it's the hillary clinton emails which turned out to be nothing, or whether indeed was the rush to war in 2,000.22 or 2003 to iraq. >> do you >> think that we should be worried? >> but i do think that the press has a tendency to have a pack mentality or a herd mentality as you put it. and we saw that in all of those cases, the hillary clinton emails and the run-up to the iraq war. and now this age issue, i don't think that they're equal. i mean, i don't think we're in a situation that equals the essential invention of weapons, of mass destruction. but it speaks to the tendency of the press to sort of all get on the same page. and the difficulty and the rareness of of journalists taking a different point of view are presenting things differently. we didn't see too much of that in any of

those cases. >> can i play for you? something that president biden just said on a very well-received late night interview with seth meyers and he addressed head on the age issue, but he also put it in context of performance. they put it in context of performance and results number one, you've got to take a look. the other guy he's about as old as time, but he can't remember his wife's name yeah. >> it's about how old your ideas are. >> look, i mean, >> this is a guy who wants to take us back. he wants to take us back. and roe v. wade, he wants to take us back on a whole range of issues that are 50, 60 years. they've been solid american positions. >> so margaret listening to that, it's delivered incredibly, you know, sharply. >> why is it >> then that the media tends not to focus on performance and results good or bad and rather,

this, whatever it is the horse race, the stuff around the edges that we're talking about right now. >> well, i'm i wish i knew the answer to that. i only know that it is a reality that the press, the political press, tends to focus on the horse race. they concentrate on polls, they concentrate on the gaff of the day and it's difficult to get the media to look at such things as what, you know, what have these candidates accomplished? what are they likely to do if elected or reelected? the substance is lacking? >> no, you called out this circular and destructive media logic. what would you say? because you were on but it's men, you you've had a very major position that major newspapers, including the new york times, what would you say to the leaders of our mainstream news organizations when they see these kinds of stories all over their platforms. >> i think that the leaders of

major american news organizations should have front and center in their minds and be communicating to their staffs that this is an extremely consequential election. and we should be doing our public service role that it's not so much about chasing the latest clicks and the latest horse race coverage, but rather to make sure that we're getting the stakes of the race across to people you know, people think that the economy was is not doing well. do our public service mission, which is to make sure as sure as we can that we have an informed electorate whose fault is that? well, it's partly the fault of the media. and i think that that ought to be rectified malgorzata. >> and thank you so much indeed for joining us. >> thank you very much for having me >> and of course, over here, the other side of the pond, weather in the halls of power or on the streets, people are

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>> it's an adaptation of the book by the same name by pulitzer prize-winning author and journalist lawrence wright. he's produced some of the most definitive investigations of our time, including on the 911 attacks, the camp david accords, and the covid pandemic he told me why texas is so emblematic of the struggles at play in america today. >> how should >> the rest of the world where i am, just look at america today, whether it be texas, which is often a bellwether of certain politics, alabama, the ivf ruling, the all the stuff so it's going on just the republicans are trump republicans preventing aid to support a fledgling democracy fighting for its life. how should we be thinking about this and where does texas come into it? >> well, the country is at an inflection point. i mean, we're marching into a very dangerous couple of months right ahead of us. and i'm no prophet on

this. i can't tell you what's going to happen, but america, the future of our country is going to be determined. i'm convinced by the elections and the thing that one can hope is this country is constantly changing. when i was a kid, texas was blue and california was read these things can change and with texas which is the future of america, because his growing so fast. and by the year 2050 is projected to be the size of california, new york combined. so it will be decisive in american politics and god save texas is streaming now on hbo, which is a part of cnn's parent company. and you can watch the rest of that conversation that amanpour.com and don't forget, you can find all of our shows online as podcast, as cnn.com slash podcast, and on all major platforms i'm christiane amanpour in london. thanks for watching and i'llee