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and this is cnn >> welcome to the lead. i'm jake tapper in this hour, the elephant in the room breaking open and a big away republican dysfunction and this fat is faction on capitol hill. congressman ken buck, republican of colorado, who already had announced this term would be his last. now says he is leaving congress next week. it's just that awful has exited cnn let's learn many house republicans don't even want to be in the same room with each other these days, plus inside the minds of trump supporters were with him in 2016, with him in 2020 but now say no more what they reveal should send a warning for the biden campaign. and leading this hour grim news confirmed by israeli defense forces earlier today a dual american and israeli citizen who we've told you about in the past a young man, 19 years old, named itay. can it turns out he was killed by hamas terrorists on october 7, he was only 19 at the time of his murder until this news, he was believed to be among the more than 100
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people still being held hostage by hamas. regular viewers of the lead know we've spoken to e ties parents on a number of occasions. he was the second of three sons he was a former boy scout. he was a fierce basketball player or especially computer basketball. here's how his father, rubi described itay to me back in november a very talented kid. he is saying he dances, so he's typically the life of the party. he has been in the boy scouts until the age of 18. so you meant to see young kids and maybe the most important part, his he and all the border play nba 2k. so i get my whooped by my eldest son, so we needs his youngest younger while that the come back. so he could go back and play with them nba 2k it was just last thursday when ruby and his wife, maggie were right here sitting next to me on set,
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and ruby shared a dream >> i actually haven't liam two days ago, two nights ago where i saw the vision of husband and biden let's lying to us and saying, well, you kinda tie, he's on a plane back home i still hope that that might be able to happen. >> huggies described how the family marked what would have many thais 20th birthday in january yeah. >> it's difficult. i know when it's all started. i couldn't imagine it will not be at home when his 20th birthday and he likes to celebrate big alexis birthday like can the answer for a son? and then we just mentioned is birthday with family and they're good friends came with us in jerusalem to the wall. we put you know, we pray together. yeah, many people together. the people who love him pray for
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his return, safely return home. >> absolutely heartbreaking our deepest condolences to the family as they grieve and begin this process, e-type then was murdered while serving israel in the gaza border on october 7, he was only 19 years old, again, an american and israeli citizen. may his memory be a blessing? ruby and hagit plan were guests at last week's state of the union brought by both senator lindsey graham of south carolina and senator joni ernst of iowa. senator ernst joins us now, and senator ernst this is an american kid. >> it was >> a dual citizen, but he was an american citizen in addition to being an israeli citizen it's just heartbreaking. what is your response? >> it is heartbreaking jake and my hope as i had gotten to know ruby and huggy to and the other hostage families was but i would be part of that welcome home ceremony for all six of our american hostages. and today that hope was dashed.
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obviously, for ruby and for huggy with the loss of itay and it is devastating. it is the knowledge now that their son will not come home and we will pray that we say the others returned safe if but again, this family's hopes have been dashed and dashed at the hands of hamas during that horrific october 7 attack. on israel. >> what more needs to be done to get the hostages home and to get the remains of the hostages or killed while they were in gaza and of gaza, because i've heard some of the hostage families and i'm i'm sure you've heard this too they say that the netanyahu government is to focused on the, on destroying hamas so not focused enough on doing everything they can to get the hostages home. but what do you want to see happen? >> well, i am a fierce advocate for these hostage families. as ad whether it is working with the prime minister benjamin
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netanyahu, whether it is additional pressure coming from this administration can then president biden on egypt, on qatar especially and on those that might have influence over hamas. i'm leaning heavily on qatar right now. they really need to bring hamas to the table. they need to push hamas to release not only our american hostages, that is my priority, but absolutely all of those hostages that they are holding, whether they are alive or whether they are deceased, all of them need to come home. qatar can be a key there were leaning on the prime minister. they are a non nato ally. they need to step up and show us that they are a non nato allies. so jake, i'm going to continue to pressure everyone that i think can be involved in the race the turn of these hostages, it's more philosophically i'm older than
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you i think i have to say that i remember when there were american hostages being held in the middle east during the iran hostage crisis, 79, 80, 81. and the whole country, no matter what they thought about iran policy or jimmy carter, ronald reagan for the ins hola, or whether or not the united states was responsible for the coup. and most sudden the shot, whatever everybody agrees, get the american hostages home, get the innocent people home where is that spirit today? i don't feel it yeah, absolutely. jake. and this is the sorry. state of affairs right now where we have american hostages being held by hamas in the gaza strip gripp and yet jake, i would guarantee that most up most americans don't realize that we have american hostages being held held by hamas, nor did they realize that over 30 americans were killed on october 7 by
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hamas and there is this division and that we see across the united states now where people are getting very, very confused about hamas and the palestinians involved so we've got to separate the two. whether it is hamas, the terrorists that committed these atrocities, we need to condemn that and we need to force them to give our american hostages back and i wish the american public could decide, you know distinguish between the two we really do need to target hamas and their dastardly deeds, the evil doings. from october 7, moving forward make sure that we are holding them to account. but again, jake, i just think so many americans don't realize the tragic loss of american life on october seven. and the fact that we still have innocent americans that are
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being held by hamas in the gaza strip >> republican senator joni ernst of iowa but thank you so much for your time and appreciate you joining us on a sad moment and my condolences coming up next, how not to resign hi from congress, leaving a voicemail on the speaker's vote in the republican congressman who surprised capitol hill today and what it reveals about the level of gop dysfunction right now >> this situation with wolf blitzer didn't night at six cnn. >> what if all i do for my type two diabetes isn't enough? or what if >> once weekly manjaro could help? mounjaro helps your body regulate blood sugar and can help you eat less food. three out of four people recent a1c of less than 7% plus people lost up to 25 pounds manjaro was not for people with type one diabetes are children don't take on joe if you're 32, it you or your family of medullary thyroid cancer or
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>> i'll just use cotton a trap. any couldn't get out. >> vegas was having an identity crisis the beginning of the downfall, but vegas at a different idea, vegas, the story of sensitive. sunday at ten on cnn >> closed captioning brought to you by mesobook.com our firm has offered a free book about mesothelioma for over ten years mesothelioma is really all we do. >> 80087 to 4901 the republican party's incredible shrinking majority in the house of representatives tops this hours politics lead the big news colorado republican congressman ken buck, surprise announcement. he is resigning as of the end of this next week, we knew he wasn't going to run for reelection. but now that's going to be an empty seat. let's go to cnn's manu raju roger on capitol hill. manu, congressman buck already announced he's not seeking reelection. why leave next week? why not wait until december
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>> yeah. look this surprised even the speaker of the house who said he did not get a heads-up about this before bucks surprise announcement saying that he would resign by neck next week effectively tightening that already razor-thin republican majority is expected to drop it down to 218, to 213, meaning that mike johnson cannot afford more than two republican defections on any party-line vote. and if there's any absences in the republican side, one republican defections, all they can afford who's shows you the significance of every single seat in the united states house. now, buck explain his decision, saying that essentially this is a place that is dysfunctional, can't get anything done. it's not a place that many members want to serve. any emphasize that point and speaking to our colleague, dana bash earlier, listen but a lot of this is personal and that's the problem instead of having the khorram instead of operating in a professional manner, this place has just evolved into this bickering and nonsense and knopp, not really
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doing the job for the american people >> is it that bad that you're saying? >> i'm done? >> it is the worst year of the nine years and three months that i've been at in congress. and having talked to former members, it's the worst year and 40, 50 years to be in congressman >> and he's a member who has increasingly broken with his party on a number of key issues, whether it's the biden impeachment, mayorkas impeachment. and of course he was one of eight republicans, jake, who voted out speaker mccarthy the end. some people would say he is part of the problem for thorough plunging the institution into chaos. but nevertheless, the belief amongst so many members that i talked to on both sides of the aisle including ken buck. is that this place has been absolutely unproductive this year. and what's the point of staying in so many members now rushing for the exits. >> chey well, i mean statistically that's accurate. it's the least it's at least accomplished congress since the 1930s or something. manu, republican source tells cnn that many republicans in the house are so frustrated with
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each other, which is a nice way of saying they hate each other. many of them plan to skip an ap company accompanying conference retreat. what's that about? >> yeah, that's right. this taking place about four hours away from dc in west virginia and many members that we are talking to are really saying that there's really no reason for them to go and large part because they don't really want to even be around each other. this is a conference that has devolved into so much acrimony parties internal bickering. sometimes private goes out in the public. we saw that all throughout the aftermath of kevin mccarthy. and now the inability of just pass simple pieces of legislation. and one big reason why so many members is disrupted each other. they can't even move with simple agenda like they need to approve what's known as a rule, jake, a procedural effort to try to move on to legislation that's typically done along party lines. now, they can't even pass a rule because of internal divisions and it just shows you how hired members are of even being in the same room. >> jake, most of us when we don't do our job, we get fired
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and we don't get paid. manu raju, thanks so much. appreciate it. the other explosive news from capitol hill is today's congressional hearing on president biden's handling or missing handling of classified documents to hearing featuring former special counsel, robert hur, in many ways that boil down to an exercise and competing partisan agendas. first, there was the republican agenda of attacking president biden pride and money is why he knowingly violated the rules the oldest motives in the book, pride and money you agree with that, mr. hur he wrote it in your report, that language end it does appear in the report and we did identify evidence supporting those those assessments then there were the democrats and their agenda of defending president biden and attacking former president trump >> you also repeatedly contrast biden's cooperation with the conduct of donald trump. you say, quote, most notably after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, mr. trump allegedly did the opposite,
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according to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then the lie about it. have you been able to change your judgment about the differences between president biden's cooperation in the former president's non-cooperation. >> know i continue to stand by those words in my report. >> there was also robert hur's agenda himself. he had an agenda of defending his report. has integrity, including the damning observations about president biden's memory my assessment and the report about the relevance of the president's memory was necessary and accurate and fair most importantly, what i wrote is what i believe the evidence shows and what i expect jurors would perceive and believe i did not sanitize my explanation nor did i disparage the president unfairly >> we've got a lot to talk about with our panel. let's let's plunge right in. kristen, let me start with you. so
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congressman ken buck, he says he's quitting, not just not just retiring at the end of his term, quitting next week because the distance function on capitol hill is at an all-time high. >> he's over it and he gave his notice to the speaker of the house, apparently by leaving a voicemail 30 minutes before making his announcement public with what's your reaction doesn't sound like a great workplace environment these days, like putting it mildly this is a really unpleasant congress to be a part of. he is not the first head for the exits. he will probably not be the last what is a little bit astonishing those normally you expect this when a party is in the minority, being in the minority, especially on the house side is very frustrating. you feel like you're getting nothing done. you feel like you're running into roadblocks. it can feel like look, being in public service is not about fun, but it is about service. and if you feel like you're not able to serve, i get why there's that frustration, but i do think it's curious to just walk away in the middle of your term, you run for office, telling voters, please give me this two or 46 term, whatever it is. it's very curious if things have gotten so bad that he would
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walk away and just say, you've got a week yeah, good luck. >> well, i mean, former speaker mccarthy did the same thing, vote for me, vote for me, vote for me, and then and then just because he wasn't speaker anymore, he was just like all right, citizens of bakersfield smell you later. so what's going on here because as kristen points out it's normal for there to be democrats versus republicans fighting and it's normal for the minority to hate being in the minority there completely impotent. but this is the majority party and they're fighting with each other. they're not complaining about maxine waters, right? >> i mean, when you look at this, you you have these extreme folks in the republican party right now. they're in the house that outs due by blinking the wrong way, almost like they did with kevin mccarthy. and i think mike johnson feels that that tension with his party and then you have people who are frustrated, like a ken buck who says, this is ridiculous. unless we can't just keep flipping. not that i'm like standing by and defendant ken
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buck by any stretch, in something, but i think that he's saying this is ridiculous. we have to be able to continue the business of the people, but that's not what the republicans want to do. and so they also, they are in the majority in the house, but they're not innocent and they don't have the white house and they don't want to compromise either. so they're doing their hands up in frustration, but realizing that they don't have the levers to actually advance an agenda. and when they get an opportunity to advance the agenda, they still say no for various it's reasons, mainly because donald trump doesn't want them to be. but if you are so frustrated with your colleagues that you won't go to a retreat with them, that you can't just finish your term out. it does talk about what type of environment that is, and it also thinks that it shows how weak of a speaker mike johnson is that one of your own members basically ghost you and say i'm like, i don't want it, i don't want to work for you anymore. and so i'm adding here in a week what's interesting, there are a few panels. if you committees, we should note i was about to say this as a way of defending like some people are getting things done, right?
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so you have the house foreign affairs committee mccaul and from brooklyn, come on the ranking democrat >> makes, makes it gregory meeks. sorry. i've been on air for seven hours today, but gregory meeks, they work really well together, right? they don't always agree. you have the intelligence committee. i think we're going to have the democrat and republican from the intelligence committee turner and himes on to talk about their work. and then i was going to say the china committee that's right. >> congressman gallagher is also what but he's >> stepping down like a shining star of the republican party. he's a marine, he's handsome, he smarties, he's like i don't know if moderates award, but he's like solid and pragmatic pragmatic. and he's retiring because he's sick of the two. again, this is the majority party. i don't i've never seen anything like that mr. that. >> i would have for somebody like ken buck who's saying i'm out and i'm out now, is what is it that you're going to do a week from now when you are not in congress that is going to help move the country forward. i have no doubt that someone like mike gallagher or someone like cathy mcmorris rodgers or any of these other medicines. another one who you
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know what >> chairs the commerce committee, that there may be something that they have have in mind to try to help the country where they say being in congress isn't it? i'm going to do this other thing instead. >> i would be interested west wing if i put them in, how much do you ever buy that i'm sure there are people who go on to become a successful successful or whatever or that being in congress right now does not feel like a way to advance for ideas your agenda. >> so i know she blames it on the extreme, republicans right? >> whoa, i don't think it has to be that way though. you can get things done, but you have to be an adult and work with people and compromise like you and i do not agree with everything, but we can have a cordial conversation that you can do a budget. we could i mean, leave it to right. >> we can get more done. i feel like between the two of us with differing opinions than many of these people, because they don't want to be adults, they don't want to do the basic things you learned as a chat about compromising, being kind like leading with dignity. instead, they're acting like
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children and so they're stepping and then they're quitting their jobs after it. >> you're you're a pollster. what are your polls say? i mean, it's any of this going to have any impact or are we just going to be here next year with the same ineffectual members of congress, the same people who hold things up hostage. i'm guessing they're going to change the motion kinda vacate rule, so it's not just one person can remove a speaker or force a vote to remove a speaker. but beyond that, i mean, is there any momentum on people? it's always the american people hate congress, but they love their own member of congress. >> well, we've seen that dynamic change a little bit. people are frustrated with their own member of congress, but you also have the problem where in many hey, of these districts they're pretty safe. the number of districts genuinely competitive and so because of the polarization and the fact that even if people say incumbents aren't good, we need more change. we need more change. the irony is that when there is a lot of turnover in congress that doesn't always unlock tons of products activity. it means you then
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>> it's our time for our 2024 lead, which thank you. appreciate the election. music. you know, it's my jam. both president joe biden and donald trump are going to likely hit a big moment tonight. both of them are almost certainly only going to meet the threshold to clinch their party's nominations for president. as a results come in from primary contests in georgia in washington state, and mississippi and hawaii. let's bring back our panel. all right. chris, let me start with you. you moderated new york times focus group with ten independents and republicans who voted for trump in 2,016.2020, but are not going to vote for trump now, the goal was to see why trump lost their support. what's your biggest takeaway? and and biden win them. >> so there are two big takeaways for me. one was that the rfk junior factor is more serious than i may have considered it beforehand. i thought a lot of people who are telling pollsters like me that they were voting for rfk junior were doing it because they sought kennedy and they thought, oh, kennedy, that
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seems great. >> but >> for many of these voters, they felt like he had inherited this anti-establishment mantle that many of the reasons why they liked donald trump to begin with. he says what he thinks he doesn't care that the establishment hates him, et cetera, et cetera, make them like rfk junior. the second thing was the impact of something like january 6, which i have been not dismissive of but it's thought, you know, there's things like cost of living, et cetera. that are really going to drive this election more. but for many of these voters in this focus group, for them, they were with donald trump and that's where they got off the train, said, i just can't do it a third time. knowing what i saw interesting. and so ashley, griffin just said a lot of what i'm about to read in the focus group, but there's a part of it that she didn't. what's clear to mr. trump is no longer the outside or voice or resonate with these voters in 2016, some said the role has been taken on by rfk. they're responding pretty viscerally to things he said into his anti-establishment beholden, nobody image. here's the part that's interesting that she didn't say indeed a major takeaway from the focus
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group is at the kennedy factor in this election should be taken pretty seriously in the swing states where he's likely to make the ballot. this fall. but that's not necessarily only an alarm for republicans, right? that could be an alarm for democrats. >> yeah. >> we are in this moment all right. now, we know that the majority of americans don't want to see this matchup with donald trump and joe biden and run ever i'm not going to say that that's what they say, that that's what they think not but to that point, is that a third party candidate give somebody an option place to go, a place to go, and still engage. and that goes for people well, who are not interested in maybe in being a part of joe biden's large coalition that was built in 2020. but also those folks that are saying, to your point around donald trump's. so the question is, do they cut, count each other out? so if one for 11 goes for trump and one goes for biden, the problem is if you're running a campaign, we know the margins of victory is are going to be so tight. you really can't afford to lose
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anyone especially not to third-party candidate. history has shown when there are third-party candidates. most recently, it usually cuts against the democratic can get these folks that i talked to do wind up ending up going with one of the major party candidates it is more likely that they would come home to trump than mine based on what they said in the groups. only one of our participants said, i have switched all the way to being a biden voter. the rest were i'm going to write in, i might stay home, i might be rfk junior and for many of them, on contrast between trump and biden, things like mental acuity, they still gave trump the edge on things like the economy. they still gave trump the edge. they were turned off by the way, trump has handled his legal situation january 6, et cetera, and they felt like he had lost some of that anti-establishment shine that he had had earlier on, but they still had not fallen in love in any way, shape, or form with president biden and i do think in some ways people have long thought this rfk junior thing is more of a threat to biden than trump. i came away from
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this focus group a little more up in the air about which major party candidate in the new york times is reporting that rfk junior is list of potential running mates includes aaron rodgers, famed vaccine denier, and sandy hook truther, who now sits on the sidelines and his paid millions of dollars for the new york jets and former minnesota governor and professional wrestler and actor jesse ventura. >> thoughts, well, he's going for the celebrity a pill. i mean, he's taking a book out of donald trump's playbook where he thinks that if he wants to get this popularity, if you don't know the kennedy name that these folks are people who can really bring folks. and now i will say, i think if you're a jesse ventura or aaron rodgers, you're probably not a joe biden person. and so i do think it cuts against donald trump more so, but i would i can confidently say having either one as vice president and the united states would be terrible. i would need to talk to my friends in packers nation to see to what extent aaron rodgers would scramble things in the great swing state of
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wisconsin. >> interesting, but don't they think he's a turncoat that's what i wonder. that's what i wanted standing right in new york is not exactly a swing state. that's not really well, he hasn't picked him yet. the republican national committee laid off dozens of staffers yesterday after donald trump's handpicked team took over took over including his daughter-in-law, lara trump, eric's wife. these cuts go beyond the norm. usually there's some cleaning house, but this is more than that. some republican operatives, operatives are going wondering about the capabilities the rnc going forward, especially in terms of fielding a ground operation, what do you think? >> well, it's really going to fall to other committees if you are running for the senate, the nrsc is who you're going to have to turn to if you're running for her house, the nrcc's who you're going to have to turn to the rnc normally is primarily about the presidential campaign anyways. but this just really puts a big, bold underline and i feel like this kind of harkens back to 2016 where donald trump was run kinda a makeshift campaign without real ground infrastructure. it feels like not having a strong rnc plays to that, but he does now have a stronger campaign outside. >> yeah. although the people
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that ran his campaign so far taking over and they are really good. i don't know about the staffing no longer you're saying he's not the sham that's right. now. he is the establishment, but his campaign managers ran a pretty flawless campaign for the primaries? yes. ashley allison and kristen soltis anderson. thanks so much. cnn will have live coverage as results come in from across the united states this evening, it's super tuesday number two numero dos special coverage starts at 07:00 eastern here on cnn streaming on max and on espn. the 00. next here on the lead, a warning today the head of the fbi about known or suspected terrorists coming across the southern borders, stay with us >> backroom deals, cia secrets, affairs, bribery, auction, prostitution >> so much more to the store >> united states of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn introducing ned's black
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floor. >> nice one. kelly. >> yellow, florida, every step covered >> i'm paula reid in washington and this is cnn joining to do another crucial hearing on capitol hill today in our world, lead fresh and alarming testimony from the top spy and intelligent >> chiefs of the united states. they told the house intelligence committee about various and looming threats from russia, china artificial
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intelligence, not to mention the terrorist threat to the united states at a whole quote, nother level. listen to fbi chief christopher wray >> we have seen over the last, i think five years and an increase in the number of kstu are known or suspected terrorists attempting to cross the southern border joining us now for a bipartisan interview, the chairman of the house select committee on intelligence, congressman mike turner, republican of ohio, and the ranking democrat >> congressman jim himes, a democrat from connecticut. thanks to both you for joining us. >> thanks, jake, happy birthday >> birthday, jake, thank you so much. i appreciate you, boy, you guys really are on the intelligence committee we know you've been briefed. so let me start with you or ranking member himes because i want to ask about the border. it's such a politically fraught issue for any president. but the statistics we're hearing are alarming is president biden doing enough to address these specific concerns about terrorists entering the united states well, jake, the way i'd answer that is by saying that
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more needs to be done on the border. no country can have a border in which lots of people are coming across. we don't know who they are. now. look, i also feel very strongly that we talk about this rooted in truth, right? and the reality is that the quote, the number you just quoted, the number of kstu is coming across the southern border. that route i present a true terrorist threat is actually pretty small. it's in the double-digits. many of those who have come across are actually colombian nationals that may have been associated with one of the revolutionary group groups. there, including groups that are no longer designated as a terrorist. so, yes, we need to do a much better job securing our border, but we also need to talk about the border and about immigration in ways that doesn't raise the risk and immigrant communities and inside this country, chairman turner, do you agree with your colleagues assessment? >> well, i think what's critical here is if you listen to the words of director wray, he is saying that right now that the terrorist threat, the threat for an actual terrorist attack occurring inside the united states by individuals who have crossed over the southern border who have either known top eyes or are
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affiliated with terrorist groups. organization is the highest that it's been really at times, he said even since since 911, that's a real serious warning from the director of the fbi. it's something that needs to be at the highest level of concern as does the southern border in which they're crossing chairman turner let's turn to russia and the war on ukraine. you questions cia director william burns, who just got back from his, his tenth visit to ukraine. let's play some of that ukraine is not running out of courage and tenacity. they're running out of ammunition and we're running out of time to help them. >> now, the house speaker, mike johnson wants to wait until the government funding bill is done. and then some republicans are hoping he'll bring a ukraine aid package to the house floor, which would also include restrictions on the border >> are >> you trying are you able to convince speaker johnson did that timeline might not be quick and lee they might not be quick enough.
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>> i think it's absolutely clear that we're at a critical point with ukraine they are fighting mightily. but russia is aware of their dwindling supplies the united states needs to resupply them. this aid package needs to be approved. >> this >> is critical. this is the issue of democracies versus authoritarian regimes. we cannot allow putin and to win. here and certainly this is about the self-determinations of people that ukrainians deserve our help and support. and they certainly are getting it from a round on the world and from other nato allies. >> ranking member himes there, there is a bill that republican congressman fitzpatrick and democratic congressman golden have put together that would be an aid package similar to the one that passed the senate, but a little different. i think it's 49 billion instead of 60 billion. it doesn't include some humanitarian aid, but it would provide this aid for ukraine. and right now, members can force it onto the floor or the house if they sign what's called a discharge petition.
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but it sounds as though neither speaker johnson nor the head of the democrats, hakeem jeffries want members to do that. why not? >> well, jake, there's actually a discharge petition on the floor right now. it's a discharge petition run by jim mcgovern. i actually just signed it. that would discharge force onto the floor of the senate now remember the senate bill got 70 senate votes in an environment where nothing gets 70 senate votes. strong bipartisan support. and it ticks all the boxes. it's got, ukraine has got israel, it's got humanitarian in aid for gaza. it has indo-pacom, the speaker for reasons i don't understand is decided that that won't come to floor, but that's a mechanism we can do. look, there there are a bunch of mechanisms speaker could bring that to the floor. you could change his mind. we could use a discharge petition. i've heard the speaker say he might try to break the bill up into its component parts and put them on the floor one at a time. the critical thing is that it gets done because mike's exactly right. we are out of time and it's not just about russia and ukraine. it is about china, north korea, and iran. looking at us and saying how the american it's got out
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of the business of defending democracy. and to date, we have answered that question with an o, with a resounding no. and we just need to turn that around because again president gee, is watching right now and he's thinking about taiwan and our response to this will determine how things look in this country and in on this globe for the next couple of decades chairman turner, you're about to lose another colleague, house republican ken buck has announced he's not just retiring at the end of the year. he's quitting next week he says it's so dysfunctional, it's so ugly congress is getting nothing done. he is out of here. what's your response? >> well, it's certainly going to make it more difficult to get things done around here. but i do think that we are progressing. we passed last week the funding package for half of the government certainly, have a funding package. it looks like it's going to be moving forward next week with bipartisan support. the last package voted with over 300 bipartisan votes. i also think we can pass ukraine and israel funding bipartisan over 300 votes. we just gotta
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get these things too. floor and get moving. >> you're not concerned though none of his diagnosis you with what you agree >> this has been an incredibly difficult time. this entire two years, especially since kevin mccarthy was fired where a small group of republicans joined with the democrats for removing kevin i've been hard, certainly for this body to recover from that and i think certainly speaker johnson's working very diligently to try to get things moving and we need to get we need it those bills on the floor and get them passed chairman turner ranking member himes. thanks so much. always good to have both you on at the same time. it's a good message to america, the democrats and republicans can work together. >> i thank you, jake coming up next the hearing today that re-examines a murder trial that captivated the country 20 years after the tragic killings of laci peterson and her unborn child, could >> her husband, scott peterson, get a new trial? the dna testing now at play in this case, that's next vegas story
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>> 80087 to 4901 in our law and justice lead nearly 20 years after he was convicted of killing his wife, >> laci, and their unborn son, scott peterson, is fighting for a new trial. this time, the los angeles innocence project is representing him and they claimed, quote, newly discovered evidence backs peterson's innocence. let's bring in trial attorney misty marris and misty. today's procedural hearing in northern california is just the start of what's expected to be a lengthy process. and peterson's possible last chance to prove that he did not in fact, kill his pregnant wife. so what comes next? >> yeah, jake. absolutely. this is the very, very beginning, so right now, we heard the innocence project that came into the courtroom. they made a motion to basically unseal all of the records relating to this case to conduct dna analysis of evidence both pre and post
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conviction and also to conduct further post-conviction discovery. so the next step is that prosecutors actually have the opportunity in opposition. ultimately, the court will make a determination about what the innocence project is going to have access to, the breadth of the testing that they can do and whether or not they're going to be able to unseal all of those records relating to scot peterson's conviction. all of those hearings are scheduled to take place in the coming months after all that's done, then the appeal process actually begins so were the very beginning of the road. >> so we don't know exactly what the newly discovered evidence, the los angeles innocence project claims james exists, but it is enough to get them to take up the case. what does that say to you? do you have any notion what it might be >> well, the innocence project is often focused on dna and other scientific advances. so presumably, much of what they're looking into relates to dna evidence and testing of
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evidence that we're 20 years beyond the procedures and forensic testing that was available back in the early 2000s. so with the new modern testing, will something come to light? there's a strong focus on a defense theory that laci peterson was actually the victim of being seeing a burglary that the burglars were actually the ones to kill her. and there's this orange ban that is central to the innocence projects analysis and their motion. they say there's a mattress in the van that was not sufficiently tested, tested positive for blood, but was not able to identify whether or not it was laci peterson came back inconclusive and so presumably that's the focus of their case to test all of those items. so >> it's been nearly 20 years, 20 years since peterson was convicted of murder, what kind of evidence do you think would convince the judge? sufficiently to allow him a new trial or would it possibly even
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be enough to set him free >> well, it's a tough argument because we remember scott peterson trial. it's a five-month long trial. all hundred and 80 witnesses and allowed of issues relating to his credibility. now, the defense argument at the time was he might be a cheater. he might not be truthful, but it doesn't mean he's a murderer. there was not a lot of direct evidence. it was circumstantial evidence. so in my opinion, the only way this case actually gets overturned is if there is something very, very dispositive with respect back to dna evidence, but even still, jake, there's a standard. the standard is not only does the evidence have to matter, but the evidence has to actually be likely to make the jury go the other way. the court doesn't really want to overturn jury verdict, so it truly depends on what the innocence project actually unveils. >> all right. misty marris, thanks so much. appreciate it. we'll be right back
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