>> case for his pivoted very quickly to talking about even though it's bond was cut in less than half, still bothered by that. >> well, i would actually say two things. i think that it was the one thing that he could treat it like a success. so he tried to push it that way. number one, but number two, and that's i think how he was treating it throughout the day. but number two well, i asked him about does he think he can get acquittal because as you noted, he said at some point during this conversation with

reporters, this is a scam this trial is a scam, so this will help me that these charges are a scam. it'll help me with voters. well, if you think that then i don't know why you wouldn't expect an acquittal and just want to through this. so i was struck by his avoiding the answer and he was also at one point, he was also saying that biden is directing a lot of this and then saying, well, he didn't know if by less competent enough to direct it, but he's he's right. he's both a mastermind and not capable of doing right? >> which it was an argument, it contradicted itself in one sentence, but on his other claim is making that he wanted to do you use this money to fund his presidential campaign? >> he has >> not had not made one utterance of that before friday. no, he posted this on truth social. and what was incredible about it was that he posted the idea that i had i have all this cash and i was going to use it to find my campaign. but now i have to pay this judgment and he has not funded did his campaigns in 2016 and even then, he only partially funded. he's still raise donations in 2020. he raised a significant amount of money as a sitting president, there has been no indication he

was going to sell fund. he's not paying for his own layers right now. he is using donations from small dollar donors to pay for his lawyers and to pay for the lawyers of other people. so that was a pretty clear straw man. now, if he suddenly decides he's going to put a lot of money into his campaign. then we'll all be surprised he is at a huge disparity with president biden in terms of fundraising, but i don't expect that's where this is going on. >> what we're hearing about. they think that they can

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mean, they got a nice ruling today, but to say, we one is a ridiculous she needs to get with it a little bit here because in any case, you're going to have decisions. you when decisions you lose, you're going to have ups and downs and you can't get to down and you certainly can't celebrate like you've just won the game when you get one pretrial pre appeal in this case, ruling on based on what maggie was saying that some people are going to be looking to see whether or not the appeals court reducing what the bond that trump has to put up. does that mean they can potentially be more sympathetic and reducing the ultimate judgment here? what do you think it's possible? but it's really important, understand, donald trump still owes 400

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>> now. and in generated just i was looking at the numbers $3.4 million of revenue that the first nine months of last year. but and it posted a net loss of 49 million over that span. i think the question, given how much money it's about to make him is truth social a good? business >> sexual is a bad business >> the >> founding premise of this business was that twitter was too liberal and everybody who is conservative needed to move on to platform >> well now it's >> been operating for a few years and trump has less than 7 million followers on his platform compared to 87 million that he still has on twitter. as you pointed out, the revenue was next to nothing. they're generating roughly $1 of revenue per user whereas they were predicting that they're going to generate roughly $13 per user by 2026. so by any measure, this business has been

a failure but that doesn't mean just that a business is a failure, doesn't mean that there can't be mania around it, which is what you're seeing in the public markets right now >> i mean, walk us through that. how is this happening? if it's not if it's a bad business how are we about to witness what's happening tomorrow with when it starts trading? >> well, there are a lot of people who although the financials are terrible and their business operations don't look to be strong >> loved the hope >> that this brings and trump is a master at creating hype. and this is a perfect example of it. >> so they're >> investing is a retail investors i'm in pop people who believe in donald trump or maybe just want to get in on the next meme stock crave