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tonight are three, 60 just moments ago, the judge in the former president's new york hush money trial expands the gag order on him in the wake of repeated online attacks >> by trump on his daughter. also tonight all were learning about the attempt to breach the fbi office in atlanta, who authorities say was behind it and whether this may have been someone's attempt to political violence. and later my conversation with dianne foaling along with author column mckinnon and staying about diane son, jim foley a journalist, kidnapped and murdered by isis. his remarkable legacy, what it was like to speak face-to-face with one of the men who murdered her son. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news. the judge has expanded the gag order that he imposed on the former president last week. the move follows repeated online attacks against the judge and his daughter, including by name, like this one. we blacked it out here because she has no role in the case and it's not a public figure seen as kara scannell is here with the tails from the judge's ruling this monday. case in new york. what's

happened? >> yes. so the prosecutors had asked for a gag order to be expanded in this case because of those comments that you just highlighted in the judge just moments ago issued his order saying that he would extend the gag order which had prevented trump from making comments about any potential witnesses, any prosecutors, court staff in the jury. he's now extending it to include family members of the judge and the district attorney, alvin bragg. alvin bragg is not covered by the gag order, so trump can talk about him if he wants. >> in >> this order, the judge rights the court now a men's the march 26 order to include the family members of the court and the district attorney of norah county. this decision in order is equally narrowly tailored and in no way prevents defendant from responding to alleged political attacks, but does address defendants recent speech. he also goes on to say that this isn't a case of david and goliath, and that the rules are no longer in play as demonstrated by the singular power of trump's words have on countless others. he's said that there is, he finds that

there is a threat to the integrity of judicial proceedings and says, the threat is very real. so now, trump is not allowed to make statements about the judge's family, so he can still make statements attacking the judge and the district attorney, just not family members. >> that's right. he's extending it to include them within this because as you pointed out, the judge's daughter it's not part of this case. and trump's lawyers had argued against expansion of the gag order, saying that the reason why trump is making these statements is because they want the judge to recuse himself from the case believing that he is biased against trump. they previously made that motion. the judge rejected it. that at the time was made based on the judge's small-dollar donations to democrats. they've said in their filing today, trump's side that they intend to make another motion for the judge recuse himself and you'll also have some reporting about expected witnesses at this trial? >> yes. so it's the usual suspects you would expect all the well-known people that have been part of this case stormy daniels is expected to testify michael when hope hicks and

david, who is the ceo of the company that published national enquirer. this is all part of the prosecutors effort to present this narrative to the jury that trump and others were scrambling around the election after the access hollywood tape came out, he was in touch with those on his campaign because they were afraid of how a new allegation like stormy daniels would potentially influence female voters. so this was all just days before the 2016 election. and that's part of the prosecution's theory why they made the payment and then why they were covering it up. and so as the theory of the case is, this is falsifying business records to commit or conceal and other crime and that crime under the theory is to influence the election. >> so kara stay with us or want to bring in legal analyst joey jackson, also bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, geoff toobin. jeff, you surprised by any of this, you know, the technical legal term for this is whac-a-mole they he trump is is trying to

skirt around all of these issues on the gag order. the family members were not covered under the previous one. a, rational person, would think you don't attack the family members, but testing, you want this gag or does he think it helps him politically to say, i'm being gagged? >> i think i mean, this whole defense is a political defense as much as it's, it's a legal defense that's why he goes to all the hearings. he doesn't have to go to the hearings. this idea that he's a martyr, that he is being the victim of a witch-hunt that is part of his campaign and, now being gagged is another way that he is saying i am a victim here, not a perpetrator >> and the trump filing basically says, well, if the judge had recused himself, then trump wouldn't have to have had to go after his daughter >> listen >> i'm not sure about that reasoning and logic, but what i am sure bad is that you have to have an integrity two are proceeding, but it's beyond integrity. it's about safety and security and the reality

is, is that words have consequences, particularly when you have a bully pulpit like that, not president now. all right. but was proud president has significant followers and i think there's nothing wrong legally constitutionally, and practically with an order that ensures that integrity for the safety of others. last point we talk about first amendment, first amendment. well, you know, you can't yell fire in a movie theater, right? or anywhere else, right? where it could impair other people safety. you can't if the fain people asked trump about that he owes a lot of money about that because you're impairing other people's rights. and so i think an order that's balanced to protect constitutional freedoms of speech. but at the same time, protect other people is the right thing. i think judge juan machine has done and they're also this is about lives on the line people are in danger that's why kaitlan got that interview. that remarkable interview with judge reggie walton of last week. >> because >> judges are worried about the integrity of the judicial system when the people involved

are gag orders or limit, i mean, everybody is unique term gag order, but that implies he can say what he's feeling. this is about witnesses. it's about jurors. now it's about the judge's daughter, right. and judges >> have the obligation to do two things. they have to allow the first amendment rights of people, but they also have to protect the integrity of a trial and you can't have the intent equity of a trial. if witnesses think they are going to be killed because of something that is said in the news media that's what the judge is trying to balance here. and i think allowing attacks on the judge, allowing attacks on the da, but not their families does strike a reasonable and appropriate balance. >> so trump's lawyers already talked about appealing. i mean, we're where were they appeal this too? >> they would have hillock to the first department in new york it's probably not something that would get resolved before the trial starts, although this gag order will be in place throughout the trial because there are

witnesses, there are jurors that the da's office and the judge is looking to try to protect back from trump making these public statements, putting attention and shining the spotlight on them as this case plays out, which is going to go for two months. >> how long do you think this trial will go on for? >> yeah. i mean, it would surprise me. qarrah, if it were that long, you know, best. right. you there all the time. but look, the bottom line is that the judge has to ensure the prosecution as can put on their case, which would allow for numerous records to go in to determine whether or not they were falsification of those records. they have to establish their proof. and then we'll see what cross examinations look like. and then of course, the defense has an opportunity to put on witnesses if they choose there's two under no obligation that that witness list is a lot of witnesses. they don't need to call all those witnesses. they are making a decision. it appears that they want to tell the full story of trump's relationship with the national enquirer >> that's not >> necessary. what this case is, the technical requirement is just approved that the

documents that trump filed with the government were false. there's a thing prosecutors say sometimes thin to win, like only prove what you need to prove. they are not going thin to win if in fact they call all those witnesses >> this is now initially this was referred to as the hush money case l1 bragg has now tried to sort of position and more whereas hush money for the result being election interference, that that is going to be the big theme of the prosecution, which is this is not about porn, it is not about extra-marital affairs. it is about getting news away from the voters on the eve of the 2016 election section that's the theory. will the prosecution of a defense is certainly going to try to turn it into this is just a circus. this is just attacks on donald trump's care and they have to do that, right, jeff? not that the facts, but certainly you have to establish the election interference to get to the felony. right. and so i think that's what we're here about it into your other point.

there's often this huge witness list. but then to what extent to witnesses become what we call cumulative. they're all going to say the same thing. so you pare it down, but you have to give the defense notice of the witnesses so that they can adequately prepared, though we see all those witnesses, they may not offer absolutely. >> right? >> what happens if trump actually violates this gag order and we've talked about this endlessly. >> well, he it happened in the civil case and he was fined. i think it was $10,000 once and then something that you remember thousand total 15,000 total finds initially, ultimately, judges can protect a can punish contempt by luck can someone up. i don't think that's going to happen, but initially finds is what is, what is the usual remedy for content. >> but if it doesn't happen, why do we have a gag order? in other words absolutely. the judge has a number of options and it could be a fine, but you have to speak in a language that someone understands clearly the economic language is not being on because of the fines. will you have the courage, quite frankly, to

enforce the order to what we call put them in. and if you put him in, maybe that in terms of a violation of liberty politically, it'd be great for him, but practically you have to give it teeth if you don't give it teeth, that is the gag order why impose one in the first instant care? is it your understanding? the trump is actually going to go to this trial this whole time. >> yeah. i mean, one of the very first appearances the judge told trump that he expects him to be at every one of the days of the trial and that if he doesn't want to come, he needs to get a waiver to do so. notice the judge warning and we will move forward without you. so if he's not there, the evidence is still gonna go on. there's still going to bring their case and trump let's said that he understood that, but the judge making it clear he wants them there. so maybe he'll be campaigning >> only on wednesdays because the judge sits monday, tuesday, thursday, friday, and he deals with other matters. so trump will be out on the campaign trail. just wednesday, but this is the campaign trail, right? he'll be making a statement after every single appearance about the system it's rigged that cetera >> so people will be covering this. i mean, it is it is

history being absolutely and look how much attention he gets and he crowds out everything else you would think being a criminal defendant isn't the best thing, but donald trump has rewritten a lot of political rules of tube and joe jackson. thank you. kara scannell, always. thank you. coming up next, i'll we're learning about the attempted breach of the fbi's atlanta field offers the drivers now in custody. what investigators are looking at and later a rare public appearance on easter weekend by britain's king charles the latest. and what lies ahead for the royal family? >> get your viewing glasses ready. eclipse across america. live next monday at one. >> this one, i think my when it's time for an update or complete remodel, read about this with you. every step of the way. is this going to be ready for the baby? >> from design and products to removal and installation, check it we handled the entire process to create a beautiful the full and functional bathroom for whatever your life needs. ray-ban with you every

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new york civil fraud case back here with the team what do we know about this? >> yes. this bond just hit the docket. it's underwritten by night specialty insurance company is a california based insurance for the total amount, the $175 million have been knocked down from the higher amount initially, right? initially, he was supposed to post them on a $464 million. he asked for a reduction. we're not to have to post it at all. the appeals court said that he could post 1705, which is less than half, and he had until thursday to do it. so he's done it today, signed it today. so this is now posted that is satisfied. so it means that the new york attorney general's office is not going to move forward to try to seize any of trump's acids which is very good. news for donald trump to do this. if he had not been able to post this bond, that meant that the state of new york could start seizing his property. now, this situation is frozen for the duration at least of the appeal to the appellate division. first department, which is a notoriously slow court so i

think this means months of no action in this case against his properties. good news. the whole idea of of a fee like this, it's not supposed to be punitive. so i mean, that was one of the arguments that was made of well, it should be lowered because it's not supposed to be punishing him in order to be able to appeal. >> no, it's not punishing him, but at the same time, there was a judicial judgment that was made. the judgment was in the amount of almost a $1 billion. and you have an obligation to satisfy that. there was a trial that went forward. they were proof and evidence that were presented in the judge's decision. he parsed every single witness assess the credibility of the witness, talked about how the narrative of that witness further, the cause of the attorney general, what am i saying? i'm saying that there was adjudication of liability after a trial and as a result of that, the system provides for you to post the bond in the amount that was against you. so we're using dropped it to 1705. >> you know what? i was not not overly surprised and i think it

good for the judicial system. and here's why i say that. you have a president repeatedly railing about everyone against him and everything's against me. and i think the system looked at it and said, look, let's be fair, let's be reasonable. let's give him an opportunity to have his appeal on the merits while we stop this clock of continual interests. interests to accruing, accruing. and that's what this does. the appeal bond allows everything to be stayed. he can have that is mr. trump is appeal on the merits and it's a system that's inviting him to give meritorious arguments as to why he should prevail, even though we lost the new york state attorney general case. and if he does, it will be reversed. and if he doesn't, it'll go as is and that hundred 70 5 million will revert back to the half $1 billion maybe >> i mean, the state of >> the state of new york's >> argument is, look, we won this case. we should not have to have to chase him for the money later on if it's a firm down appeal as most cases are affirmed on appeal, if this does affirmed on appeal, the

state of new york will take that hundred $75 million. but especially knowing how donald trump operates, good luck, trying to get the other $300 million or whatever it's going to be because he is notoriously difficult to pin down the argument that the state of new york made was finding if you want to appeal put up the money because we don't want to have to chase you after we win. the appeal as we expect. >> do we know any details of what was put up for this? >> well, he has to supply cash in order to back the bond and his lawyers have said he has the money to do that. this doesn't say specifically the breakdown if it fit it's mostly cash or if include some stock. it wouldn't be the new stock for the company that he just got because that's locked up for six months. but it doesn't break it down specifically. but part of trump's argument about the harm that you were referencing was that if he was forced to sell a property to raise the cash to post a bond, and then he were to prevail or city appeals court knocked down the judgment. he wouldn't be able

to get that property back. so the appeals court gave him this lifeline of saying you don't have to sell a property if you can come up with 1705 and its lawyers viewed that as victory. >> all right. i think it's now turn to you guys did >> enjoy jackson, kara scannell. thanks very much. moving on. just go more questions and answers. nine about the attempted breach of the you guys have landa field office. it happened during the lunch hour, car ramming one of the entry gates. it was stopped by moving barrier. the driver then taken into custody. you may remember less than two years ago, a gunman wearing body armor was shot and killed after trying to breach the bureau's cincinnati office. seen as john miller, join us, he is a former new york police department deputy commissioner for intelligence in counterterrorism so what are your source to telling you about what happened >> well, they've been looking into this individual since this happened at 12:25, trying to figure out what his motive was to crash in and try and get through that barrier? and what we're finding is someone who is a former navy man who's been working for the last six years at an insurance company in

south carolina. somebody who's social media so far is very non-controversial, non-political, family-oriented. so it's raising as many questions as it's answering >> and four fbi agents. obviously, when something like this happens, are they always on alert given recent history? >> well, yeah. i mean, you look at the cincinnati case you just mentioned there was a guy with an ar 15 who tried to breach the security at the cincinnati fbi i office, who ended up being killed by state police and the fbi and a shootout hours later. so they take this very seriously. it's why those barriers are there. it's why the double barriers are there. so if you get past one, you don't get passed another. but those initial moments once a car rams into that barrier, anderson, your heart is thumping as you approach that car, right? there's a security booth not far away and you're wondering, is this an active shooter who's about to pop out with an ar-15. is it like

cincinnati? is this whole car and massive car bomb? what's about to happen, but you have to keep going going and when they pulled this man out of the car, he did not say one single word. so the gut right now on the part of the people who are looking into it. and my own is this is probably an individual who's going through a difficult mental episode probably not trying to attack the fbi, may be trying to get in to tell them something that's so far is only in his mind, but it certainly set off alarm bells and it certainly reminded 55 other field offices that security is a top priority, especially with talk about weapon weaponization of the fbi, which and all the other threat threats that are increasing. two fbi agents, federal prosecutors, and judges what might somebody be charged with if i mean, if it is a mental health episode, what happens? >> well, on the federal side, destruction of government property, attempted to trespass on federal line on the local side, it's going to be reckless endangerment. but

those are you're gonna be holding charges really anderson what they're going to first do is get through the evaluation of this individual with the medical professionals, figure out what's really going on with him, talk to family and friends, and then tried to get him to care. >> john miller. thanks very much. appreciate it coming up next the deadly airstrikes in syria aiding or ron's consulate iran is blaming israel, what israel is saying and not saying about it, and who was being targeted next check >> your nothing. >> a space shuttle accidents using not one thing. it's a series dense. >> is that part of the wing coming apart? >> space shuttle columbia, final flight, premieres sunday at nine on cnn >> dry skin is sensitive skin two, and it's natural treated that way with a vino daily moisture formulated with nourishing prebiotic owed it's clinically proven to moisturized dry skin for 24 hours >> the vena it's good to get some fresh air that's there.

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commanders. shiino's into bertrand joining just now with more so what more do we know about who and what was targeted >> will understand the iranians are placing the blame for this strikes squarely on the israelis. they're saying that it was six missiles fired from an israeli war plane that brought down this console it in damascus and they're saying that they are going to take decisive revenge, essentially, they are calling playing this unacceptable. and of course, as you said, seven at least officials from the islamic revolutionary guard corps were killed, including two very senior commanders and the irgc. israel, iran, vowing to take revenge here, but israel neither confirming nor denying that they were behind this strike instead telling cnn earlier today according to a spokesperson, that this consulate was not a consulate at all. and according to their intelligence, they do believe that it was actually being used by the irgc and was being portrayed globally as a consulate when in fact it was being used for military purposes. so we're not getting really any confirmation from these rayleigh's that this was them. but the iranians, of

course it's placing the blame squarely on the israelis and saying that they are going to take some kind of retaliatory measures, which is of course something that us does not want to see. they don't want to see this escalate beyond the war between israel and hamas in gaza. so they're reaching out to allies and partners in the region now, trying to get a sense of what happened here. but clearly this does not bode well for the tensions between israel and iran, given that, you know, if israel did do this, then that would have been an attack that iran csis an attack on its sovereign territory. anderson. >> meanwhile, the us is close to approving a deal to sell fighter jets to israel. what more do we know about that? >> we're learning that the administration is expected to greenlight and $18 sale of f fighter jets to israel. and it comes, of course, at a very delicate moment in the relationship with israel where the weapons sales that the us is greenlighting to the israelis are really under a microscope as administrator, as lawmakers are urging ministration to condition aid to israel because of the number of civilians that have been killed in gaza as they tried to get israel to rein in their operations in gaza, these

weapons sales have really been under scrutiny, but we're learning that the administration is preparing to approve this sale. it does have to be notified to congress and they will have 30 days to basic plea rejected if they are able to come up with a joint resolution, but it's a very high bar and it seems unlikely at this point that that is actually going to be blocked. and the sale would send weapons and fighter jets to israel within about three to four years. but of course, it is the symbolism in it is the fact that the administration is agreeing to approve this sale that many people are likely to have a bit big issue with, especially on the hell, no, attach a bertrand. thanks for joining us now is david sanger white house and national security correspondent for the new york times. his latest book is out april 19. the title is new cold war's, china's rise russia's invasion, and american struggled to defend the west. so first of all, what is your assessment of this strike? >> well three interesting things about it. first, the iranians say that this was an embassy property. if it truly was, it's akin to hitting

iranian territory and that's something the us has been trying to see is considered sovereign territory. even a number is a foreign embassy in the united states is considered usually to be on the property of the foreign country. so the iranians could make the case that you struck iranian territory the second thing is there's been a covert war that's going on for a long time between the israelis and the iranian to seeing nuclear scientists who were killed and bombings you've seen attacks on facilities >> this, there's >> nothing covert about this. you saw the scope of that destruction. this is where the war turns over. >> and >> that's where countries feel like they have to show they're not going to be embarrassed that they will respond the third really interesting element of it, i think though, is that the iranians have to wonder how did they know that so many commanders from the quds force, the elite group of

the iranian military, were gathered in one place there's either a human spy or there was some kind of intercept. but it was remarkable intelligence that they could kill six of these commanders, seven of these commanders, and one in the same way that there has been remarkable intelligence that allowed whomever to kill nuclear scientists in iran. >> that's right. and as they were commuting to work and so forth, so it shakes the iranians. it makes them begin to look for spies within mit. so in addition to the the actual event. what you're getting is sort of a psychological warfare that were so plugged into you that we can get at it. and that's of course been the key whenever the us and iran together have gone after an iranian nuclear facility, of course, remember it was president trump who ordered the killing of the senior commander of the quds force, general soleimani back in 2020, iran had said that

they were going to respond in the after the killing of soleimani, what sort of response did they end up? >> they did some response but nothing anywhere near what we had expected that they would here's their problem. if you're the iranians, you're thinking am i falling into prime minister netanyahu's trap here, that netanyahu has many political reasons to want to see this war expand a bit to the north make him deal with the totality of israel's adversaries at one time, you'll remember that early in the war, the united states had to talk the israelis down from opening a second front in the north, said you have plenty to do in gaza, don't spread your resources. >> nine yeah. who has always been an hin to go deal with hezbollah in the north. and there's plenty of domestic concerns. i mean, he has about his political survival and israel i mean, he claims that

most israelis are behind his actions in gaza but we will look at public opinion polling. they don't necessarily, i mean, they may be back in the war. they're not necessarily backing him. >> that's right. and you saw the size of those protests in israel over the weekend out on the streets. what that tells you is that enough time has gone passed since the october 7 attack? that we're getting back to the politics as usual in israel, of those who are pro and anti netanyahu, that was all suppressed to some degree because israel was pretty unified by the need to go after hamas the other element of this that is big of course, is what are our arms shipments have been in the state department is under a lot of heat for that today >> david sanger. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> just had it's been nearly ten years since american journalist james foley was beheaded by isis terrorist. now, decade later, his mother has released an extraordinary new book exploring his life life, and untimely murder. her

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make that happen in the best sense that our government can have better response to american hostages and their families that we can continue to promote freedom of speech and education in the world that the best of america can be promoted. that's our hope. anderson, and that's his legacy. >> that is his legacy. >> i'll now a decade later, dianne fully is released and extraordinary new book. it's called american mother, along with author column mccann. it's deeply moving book about jim foley in about grief, encourage jin fully story. so moved the singer staying that he wrote a song about him earlier i spoke with dianne foley and column mccann and staying first of all, thank you so much for doing this. this book is truly incredible. it is probably one of the best books i have read in many, many years, if not in my life. and the writing is just so stunning

and the story is so incredible. >> can you just talk, first of all, >> dane, about your decision to tell this story, to tell jim story. >> well, i've always wanted to tell jim story. i just was not able to myself. i really needed it. a brilliant author who could hear it and give it the form. >> so that others might enter in >> i really feel it's a story of of loss and grief that we all go through. but also of the threat of the targeting of americans internationally that we went through and plagues our national security today. so to me there are many reasons i really wanted to get out there. so thanks to call them and staying ntu. >> you were given the opportunity to actually speak to one of the isis members who was involved in the murder of your son and you chose to sit

down with them? >> sure. yeah. >> you write in the book, he said it was what jim would have done to rescue something from the baron to know who, to know why there was no doubt jim would have been first in line to talk with him he would've your friends thought you shouldn't. oh, many that i was crazy to do that. many of the return hostages, but thanks to call them, who was willing to accompany me. and the prosecutors who allowed it. you know it was it was a bit of healing just to sit with alexander. >> that's the man's name. alexander? yes >> can you talk about sitting in that room what >> i >> one point you talked about almost almost smelling his breadth across from you you shook his hand at the end >> it was awkward at >> first, you know, but there

was an openness and alexander, he here to of the british jihadists who had kidnapped and tortured gyms. stephen peter cassock and many others alexander chose to plead guilty to all those charges and offered to meet with victims. so there was an odd openness and him >> what was it like for you to be in that room to witness that incredible >> we walked into this big echoey room in the center of a courthouse in virginia. there were prosecutors, they're defense people, fbi agents, court clerks, dianne walked across the room, sat down at this table in front of her is alexander cody, who's killed her son. he's wearing shackles on his ankles and he's in a prison jumpsuit. and she says, hi hi alexander it is a pleasure to meet you and after that moment everything dissolved and everything kept became about diane and him and to meet was mythic to have

somebody go in and meet the killer of her son, add to talk about faith and to talk about courage, and to talk about forgiveness, and also to talk about violence and all those things that operated between them. it was one of the most extraordinary moments of my life and i saw such moral courage, which is what diane learned from her son jim, because he talked about moral courage. >> i want to read just a passage that i think this is page 30 and page 39, i think usually the sum of the two best pages i've i've ever read in a book. and you're talking about how you said it will she knows be almost impossible to tell others family, her friends about this moment hard to believe that the man who tortured her son is sobbing no more than four feet in front of her hard to explain that it is most likely not an act. hard to illustrate how she's contained her emotions, hard to judge if he is exploiting the moment, even harder to explain that is not just the story of a

one-year-old child taken from the rubble or father crying in a documentary but anonymous drone strike or a tortured son or journey across a mountain or screed of hatred or tower coming down, or a city filled suddenly with poison gas or scorched earth, or at peddling of fear, or three young children in front of a camera in a refugee camp, or man who ventured out from new hampshire, or soldier who got it or remote drone or politicians sitting in a suddenly small office or a woman in east london edging her fingers along the photograph, or six-year-old wondering about his uncle or chain hanging the air of a basement and abu ghraib or below of a steel pipe against the bottom of a pair of feet and rafah or the thought of a fist and the kidneys are murdered messenger or the in candid prayers, the way it is all needed to gather from wisconsin to london, to damascus, to new hampshire, to tripoli, to virginia. all these wild and braided things somehow held together and not by language. there is no word for it that she knows that's

incredible >> well, it was it was an incredible story to inhabit when i first stepped into it when we stepped into that room, i knew there was a store here for the ages that within that moment, we will be able to capture all those other moms because like dad said, it's sad. it's sad for alexander. it's sad for all the people in damascus. it's sad that jim is not here. there's so such an amazing coffee a funny of sadness around this. and yet she decides that she's going to take something from this, not only to keep her son alive, but to change the whole landscape of how we think about hostages and wrongfully detained people over the next few years, that takes courage, the courage of a mother, but also the courage of a courageous citizen as well so for me, the story was just expansive, sting. >> how did you get involved with this? >> well, i was asked by the composer of the documentary

about, about jim's life. if i would write a song for the end and the things i watched the documentary was totally devastated by it. and i said, i simply cannot write a song. it's, there's nothing that appropriate. i mean, how could i possibly do that and then i went home and i tried to put myself in gyms place in the member of his family's place what what would be a ritual that the family could go through? that would bring them together somehow. and i had this idea of a table being set for an evening meal and jim being late, but an empty chair being there addressing the empty chair and somehow jim enters that family situation completely in my imagination. but it seemed to do the trick and the fact that i'm here with diane and column muffins it did something but i'm very proud to. it's a hard song to sing,

especially with diane, but i'm glad to be part of the story. >> i mean, your person strong faith. how are you able to survive the unimaginable what you have gone through is unimaginable for most. >> wow, it's, it's the goodness of god through good people like all of you, through people bove, really supported us and care cared about us. and held us up through it all >> and just god's goodness. it's like almost been like a superpower, like i had to pray very hard before we went into see alexander. i really wanted to be able to pray to see him as a human being, see him same age as one of my son's, just to see him as a young man who's made terrible choices and, you know, that's what's helped me is just to know that i'm not alone in this, that god is with me and other good people make

good things possible anderson i really firmly believe that column. what do you hope comes out of this? >> i think i'd love to see people recognize that the possible actually exists within the supposedly impossible. i mean, diana's is a woman who lives in new hampshire and in an ordinary house and was a nurse let's practitioner and it's awful thing happened and she could have retreated and she decided, no, i'm going to take the world on and i'm going to change things for other people that's sort of faith is, is extraordinary and the fact that we can actually change the world and not refused to not become cynical and refused to hope. i think there's a daring this there that want people to see a risk to embarrassment or risk two due to all sorts of things and to tell your story is an important part of all of this. i think the world is held together with stories and

storytellers. and one of the beautiful things is that jim, jim story, even though he's gone, is alive and his voice is alive through diane stinging, you said about this book this is a book that will shake your soul out. what was it about about jim's story, about diane story that i'm like, i think jim's stories, all of our stories, obviously we're not in that exact situation, but anything that happens to any of us happens to all of us. we are a community, a world community, not just american than english, irish, wit i look upon it? refugees, for example, as us, they are not a separate species. they are also in a different situation and every person can make a difference just to try to do good, make a difference for others. >> well, thank you so much. this book is really, truly extraordinary. thank you. >> again, de unfolding in column mechanic, new book it's called the american mother and

i really found it incredibly moving and well reading. right now. you can watch actually sting perform the song he wrote in honor of jim foley. it's called the empty chair. he recorded it in there. are you played it in our studio. you can watch it on cnn.com and on the cnn app right now. later tonight, you'll also find it on instagram and twitter. as well. >> still ahead. after stepping back from public duties following his cancer diagnosis, king charles was seen in good spirits, welcoming crowds and attending easter sunday church service. notable absence was still felt will have hello snakes >> 170 million americans find community on tiktok um patriotic, kenny >> white schooled or broke down i went enjoy depression. >> i posted it to show that kenny's down always happy within 24 hours this people had donated over $5,000 to set up the patriotic kenny foundation to give mobility scooters tibet turns of this would have

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>> members of the public, hoping for quick glimpse of king charles waiting outside windsor castle. but some were invited in by star to get a closer look it was a surprise because we were told that doctors had advised charles not to interact with large groups in case it compromised his immunity. that advice appears to have changed after church service in the chapel in windsor castle an even bigger surprise when he came out and shook hands confidence enough not to wear gloves though queen camilla was spotted with the bottle of hand sanitizer a royal source told cnn, the king's appearance could be seen as an encouraging sign of how his treatment for cancer was progressing >> never >> given were told the road ahead looks positive. >> that is encouraging see that happened and saying suggests, yeah, the patient is tolerating their treatments. well, there, you know what they're actively

under treatment or whatever phase that they're and they're recovering, they're tolerating and getting through those treatments. >> the king was clearly in good spirits. i'm told he's being keen to get out and about again frustrated that he hasn't been able hello, to commit to his diary of engagements. >> can imagine how hard it is for the mall with a public eye being on them. it's even more difficult, isn't it for them to cope with? the measure of the public eye and the media, or for the will funded hundred it really well and i think they need that privacy and the need that time to good to give as a family and support each other >> most of the rest of the family joined the king to the traditional easter service including prince andrew please bracing for this >> the allegations surrounding jeffrey epstein include his friend, prince andrew heavily promoted netflix movie out this week, dramatize the disastrous bbc 2019 interview. the cost

him his royal position. probably the last thing the monarchy needs right now, as it tries to rebuild your royal highness, notable by their absence where the prince and princess of wales, she's receiving her own cancer treatment. >> it is being an incredibly tough couple of months frenzy from palace isn't suggesting any dates for her return to public duties. careful >> less pressure now, >> perhaps that the >> king appears to be cautiously returning to his his own public appearances >> next, i mean, it was nice to see control seemingly well enough to go out without a mask and gloves on. what more are your sources telling you about the decision that the palace's is making right now about his health well, i think it was a big reassurance exercise for the public, but also for the family. they're ultimately there to support the king and now that he's gonna be able to do a bit more, they're going to take each engagement one by one depending the other medical advice then if he's able to do more than less pressure on

them, particularly the princess of wales, who's going through chemo, has to consider that and also has got the kids of school at the moment. i think the next big challenge probably is friday. this big netflix movie. it's many people will remember the interview is going to remind everyone of that. it's going to open up a new audience and it's not just the associations with epstein you're going to see a lot of very realistic behind the scenes footage as well showing how frankly out of touch print sandi was unempathetic towards epstein's victims and these are the values that william and charles has been trying to move away from. so i think that's going to blow up again. it's going to be a problem. you probably going to see a lot of it on social media. and we're not going to hear much from this lot about i don't think because he's not working royal. yeah. max foster. thanks very much that's it for us. the newest continues to source, but kitten collins starts now seeing them on