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of wales, who's going through chemo, has to consider that and also has got the kids of school at the moment. i think the next big challenge probably is friday. this big netflix movie. it's many people will remember the interview is going to remind everyone of that. it's going to open up a new audience and it's not just the associations with epstein you're going to see a lot of very realistic behind the scenes footage as well showing how frankly out of touch print sandi was unempathetic towards epstein's victims and these are the values that william and charles has been trying to move away from. so i think that's going to blow up again. it's going to be a problem. you probably going to see a lot of it on social media. and we're not going to hear much from this lot about i don't think because he's not working royal. yeah. max foster. thanks very much that's it for us. the newest continues to source, but kitten collins starts now
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seeing them on i'd write next robert f. kennedy jr. is here with me in studio live as his campaign says, he now has enough signatures to appear on the ballot in north karolina, another battleground state that has both biden and trump nervous tonight plus another suspected case of the mysterious brain injury known as havana syndrome. >> i'm going to speak to invest so get a journalists christo grozev. he singles out a specific russian intelligence unit as the possible culprit. also out front of retired us official based advantage, who is widely considered be patient zero >> and trump's net worth >> plunging today by $1 on paper. why? let's go out front >> good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. don't call them a spoiler. >> robert f. kennedy jr. saying he is in the race to win in november as he reaches yet another milestone tonight is campaign says kennedy now has enough signatures to get on the ballot in north carolina, which is of course, a crucial battleground state. and in just a moment, i'm going to speak to kennedy live right here. onset.
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>> the democrat-turned independent, >> who has the money, the supporters, and the potential to upend the 2024 presidential election. and as of tonight, he is on the ballot in utah. however, his campaign and allies claimed that they have met the signature threshold to get them on the ballot in a whole slew of additional states, hawaii, michigan, georgia, south carolina, new hampshire nevada, and arizona. and of course, i've mentioned north carolina as well. now, when i say those names to many of you, you may say, wow, those are obviously crucial states and they were there states that biden and trump in many cases, one by just a few votes that has both campaigns nervous that kennedy, with his famous family name and his charisma may siphon crucial votes away from them in 2024 and i just give you one example. look at the state of arizona. so the 2020 margin of victory there for joe biden was just over ten votes. so now, just compare it to the latest polling right now from the state of arizona. and in that polling, kennedy has the support of 26% of registered voters biden and trump are only had by a few points there at
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33% each. so to put that in perspective, as of tonight, they're 4 million registered voters in arizona, making the bottom line clear that particular poll indicates that kennedy right now has the support of 1 million registered voters in the state of arizona. >> now those kinds of numbers kennedy can do a lot of damage, which is why both campaigns, trump and biden, are very concerned. trump posting online rfk junior is the most radical left candidate in the race by far trying of course, to tie him to the left and syphon votes from biden. meanwhile, democrats posted this ad on billboards around a kennedy campaign rally. and you you can see it reads rfk junior power bi maga, trump >> well, all the while >> kennedy continues to say that he's not going to spoil the race for biden or trump he insists that he's going to win way ahead of that at an independent candidate in history right now. and i intend to win the election. i can win the white house i think we have a very good chance of winning in november
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>> i want to get straight to jeff zeleny to begin our coverage because he's live in madison wisconsin. another key battleground state. >> and jeff, where you >> are democrats, obviously are very focused on rfk junior as he tries to make inroads in that battleground state. what are you hearing?and fruitful for third-party candidates. and this year is no exception. democrats are paying very close attention to this conversations weaving having with a party activists and officials all day long. i certainly suggest that in fact, one liberal talk radio host told his audience today, don't waste your vote. but aaron, it's not simply democrats is donald trump comes back to wisconsin tomorrow for the first time since august of 2022, republicans also are watching this very carefully. the state party, republican chairman told me today, yes. are based aligns with some of robert kennedy's issues. so there's no question for the next several seven months, both sides will be watching this. aaron here is why it's all about the math. consider in 2016, donald trump, one and by
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some 23,000 votes, jill stein was on the ballot, received about the same in 2020, joe biden won by about 20 votes. jill stein was not on the ballot here. so that is what concerns some democrats if there are third party candidates on the ballot how does that split the vote? so it's one of the reasons going into the wisconsin primary tomorrow actually, some democrats are keeping their eye on the uninstructed question on the ballot steve vote, if you will, for gaza war. so this is something that is going to be playing out for the next seven months. but the ballot deadline here is not until august. it only takes 2000 signatures statewide, for him to qualify aaron. all right. jeff zeleny. thank you very much. in wisconsin and outfront. now, robert f. kennedy, jr. who is running of course, as an independent for president the united states and mr. kennedy, i appreciate your time. so you're jeff zeleny going through the role that jill stein played when you just look at the vote tallies in the state of wisconsin only need 2000 votes to get on the ballot. in the state of
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wisconsin. >> so what do you say >> to democrats who pointed jill stein and say, that's gonna be you all right. now, i >> don't know what i'm gonna do, who i pull more from november, right now, i'm pulling pretty much equally, probably a little more from president trump like i, you know, as you bought it out, i want to pull from both of them but i'm do you want to a glib answer, a thoughtful answer. >> i'd always prefer thoughtful. >> okay. i mean, i would say is you have both sides i'm using scared tack the republicans say that if joe biden gets and it's gonna be the republic democrats say onald trump's, and it's going to be democracy and i don't think either of them are actually going to destroy democracy. there's, we have institutions in this country that are pretty enduring and if you look at
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those candidate they're very different in their temperaments are very different in their ideology their, and their rhetoric. but on the issues with actually depart from each other it's a very narrow band of issues and it's the culture war issues like abortion guns, the border and they're all important ashes you're nodding existential issues on the existential issues, neither has the capacity to address the biggest one being the dad we now have $34 trillion and dead service on that debt. is more than the art military spending. and within five years $0.50 out of every dollar collected in taxes are gonna go to service sigma dad. and who ran up it was present in? trump and president biden together just four years age. they and more spending than all the previous presidents going back to george washington the chronic disease
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epidemic, when my uncle was president, 6% of americans had chronic disease, eight 60% is the biggest issue we have 4.3 trillion that we're spending on that and it's four, it's on almost five times our military budget and it's getting worse and worse. you've never heard president trump to talk about it, never hurt president biden the polarization our country again existential all of these issues ai, it neither of them are has the capacity to deal with these at all of those itches are created by a system of corporate capture. this corrupt merger between state and corporate power that has absolutely it's a burden and undermine our democracy >> and either >> president trump or president biden has the capacity to address it because they're part of that system. they're both being financed by blackrock and state street and vanguard that military contractors, the pharmaceutical industries. and that system just spits out bad policies and the illusion that if you differ on culture warrior shoes, radically
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different it's a real things that we need to do to save our country. they can't do them. and if you vote for president trump, president, they both had their chance you're gonna get more of the same, if any, if somebody needs if somebody actually wants to change, once that actually alter those issues, they're going to vote for me and yet to be president of the united states if you have to be on the ballot in enough states to be able to win the electoral college you're not right now >> and and >> you believe you will be me because i know i know will be 100%. i'm going to be on the ballot in every state in addition, in columbia and i've said this from the beginning and we're already well on our way there i think eight within eight weeks are going to probably be on another 19 states we were not allowed to get on the ballot before in most aids because we didn't have a vice presidential candidate, you have the name of
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presidential candidate. ballon, about 2068. so now we have that we have, we have about 200,000 volunteers. we're gonna it's gonna be easy for us again every essay. >> so i know part of the reason that >> line we hadn't yet 13,000 signatures. we got 23,000 in new hampshire take us months to get signatures. we got them in one day in utah. we got them in one week during a blizzard. so we're not going to we have a very, very good volunteer army out there so when you talk about that, you had to have a vp candidate to get on in some states, right? so that's part of the reason i know you made this decision when you did the person you've chosen is nicole shanahan. she's a lawyer, she doesn't have government experience. obviously not a household name and a lot of people have questioned why you picked her, liz smith of the dnc just today says she was picked for one reason and one reason only the money. and obviously she speaks for the dnc, but rhythmic mulvaney, who was omb director under
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president trump said this or there's one thing we need to know about, or it's the reason that kennedy picked her for vice president xi's fabulously wealthy. >> this is the woman whose >> bank rolled his ad during the super bowl, that cost four million. that's why he put her on the ticket along with the fact that i think everybody else probably turned him down would you picked her if she didn't have the money? yeah. did you see or speech part of it, but i'm asking, did you pick don't think anybody who watched that speech would ever say that she's impressed if she's outlook when she's authentic, her life is a template for the american dream. she started out as a minority kid in oakland, extraordinary poverty on food stamps, on welfare. she grew up and attended stanford or she began to inference out low she became an entrepreneur. she's a very, very uber successful business woman she has an
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encyclopedic knowledge of ai. xi has an cyclin vedic knowledge of chronic disease epidemic and how to stop it. she young and she is a mother and i wanted in it might kennedy or three things. one somebody who was an insider, some because it was the insiders who created this problem. they created the debt crisis. they agree the addiction to, or they created the chronic disease epidemic. they created the polarization i wanted somebody outside who's thinking outside the box i want to our campaign is for young people. we are we're the only campaign that is looking at this assault on our children on what is happening i think to generations, i wanted somebody who is young, who is an 80 year old man i wanted somebody who is a mother. i wanted somebody who's going to champion their issues. and i don't think anybody looked at nicole shanahan speech, which i urge
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people to do would ever say that the reason i picked her money, by the way we don't need her money to get on the ballot in every state. we already have the biggest field operation of any campaign. we are going to have no problem getting on the ballot in every state. we did not need a culture it's funny and organic play. i'm monday, we're raising more. my campaign is president trump or president biden? >> well, so when you talk about though that you say that you're pulling equally from both and we'll see what happens. but in the polling that we have, >> but hold on one second. you just take georgia because we all know georgia margin of victory last time was it's 11,779 volts. so the latest polling from georgia, you get 12% of the democratic vote. you pull 5% of the republican vote. again, these are polls. this is where we are right now, but that's, that's when they that's what they show so when you look at it that way, how can you say that your current campaign is not taking more >> i would say to you, oh i'm odd isn't something i want to
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argue with you about is just when i'm my observation i don't care one way or the other what, what my observation is of the quinnipiac poll about harvard harris poll, the gallup poll a new york times in a bowl, all the leading national polls at this point in history as of today show me pulling maybe two more points president trump than i am from president biden. haley. what they're what they're showing in the politico did a big article on this is my supporters are people who aren't going to vote at all. largely am i donors are people who had given up on the american political process. and our re-engaging because they. feel that they don't want to choose between the lesser of two evils. they want to choose a candidate who is going to inspire them, who's going to give them hope it was a vision for the future, and it was a vigor and energy. actually changes its contrary and that i want to engage those people in the political
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process. democrats. republicans, i'm going to take from the margins and i can't tell you even today, it's irrelevant, aaron, because it's really what am i going to take from it? november so you, in 2000, ralph nader obviously was running and you didn't interview with nbc news. it just a few months before the election, you said this >> here's a political reality here which is that his candidacy could draw enough votes in certain key states. from al gore to give the entire election to george w bush >> and then you wrote an op-ed in the new york times. you wrote ralph nader is my friend and hero, but mr. nader's candidacy could syphon votes from al gore. mr. nader dismisses his spoiler role by arguing there's little distinction between the major party candidates and that mr. gore is compromised on too many issues. while i admire his high-minded ideals they'll say suggestion that there's no difference between mr. gorham, mr. bush is irresponsible. >> a >> moment ago, you said you you essentially see trump and biden is saying different different issues.
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>> but do you really >> believe that when people talk about the threat to democracy, that trump poses, do you really think that that is an equal yeah. >> to biden listen, i can make the argument apprentice and biden as much worse threat to democracy and the reason for that is president biden is the first candidate and history, the first president history that it has used the federal agents as his answer political speech. so sensors, opponent i can say that because i just want to federal court of appeals an app before the supreme court it shows he started censoring not just made are 37 hours after he took office, he was censoring me know president, the country has ever done at the greatest threat a mockery is no mebody who questions election return but predent united states will use the power of his office to forca social media coanies, facebook, portal andive access portal to the fbi. cia, the irsthe si
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political criticas biden for the first president in history to use the secret, his power over the secret service an eye secret service protection to one of his political opponents for political reasons is weaponizing a federal agencies. those are really critical threats. >> source tried to overturn a free and fair election. he tried to overturn one radius. he's still finding >> how >> is that? >> not a threat to democracy? >> well, i think that is a threat to democracy. if him over trying to overthrow the election clearly as threat to democracy. but the question was who is it worth threat to democracy? and what i would say as i going to answer that question, but i can argue that president biden is because the first amendment, aaron, is the most important, but adams and hamilton and madison said we put a guarantee of freedom
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expression in first amendment because over other constituted, depend on it. if you ever government can silence it's opponent it has license for any atrocity. >> so it has to be clear you're saying you could make an argument that president biden is a worst threat to democracy, then but who else has ever tried to else's ever tried to send what president in history? as ever tried to censor political upon. it's what president has weaponized and relate as, you know, when my father came into our the first week he witnessed they are he got all of the branch and division attorneys together and he said, what ever we do, we are not going to use the power that judges department for yes said that he has at is reprehensible and he is the only president who's tried to overthrow the results of an election. >> well let me say something about, i'm not going to offend president trump on that. and it was appalling and there's many things that president trump has
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done or falling in 2001, we had an election stolen in this country during the bush gore election and 2004. i want wrote an award-winning article for rolling stone showed how that election was stolen from john kerry so i don't think most americans agree with me about 2001 that it was stolen election from our, from the democratic party candidate i don't think people who say that the election is all in we shouldn't treat, we shouldn't make pariahs of those people. we shouldn't demonize and we shouldn't vilify them, or we should be it let's all get together. republicans and democrats and fix the election system so that it cannot be fixed. so that were the exemplary democracy of the world we ought it's built on machines that can count and never make mistakes. should can
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we, go, can we make an election to shade? i can we have it electoral process? >> and every american to hold on but went up it can't be, it can't be fixed. >> i understand that. we want elections to be as perfect as they possibly convey. one should not use the fact that the election was not stolen and was not cheated too. not try to perfect it. i understand that distinction, but when you do is you're doing and you open the door to well, we want every your opening the door to people who can say, well, then that's exactly what i'm saying. the machines miss canada machines did this but they didn't every single analysis has shown that that did not happen, right? as you know? >> do you worry that you're >> opening the door for people to believe >> primary voters and that they've been knowing, i'm not worried. i don't why don't worry about how people might misinterpret my words, i want i add, i mean, and i'm careful about how i use language i'm not saying that election was was was cheating. i've never
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said that. what i've said is that there aren't problems particularly aaron, if you if you don't have paper ballots election machines can be fixed in various ways. and that's just a fact what we have is we ought to have machines and we ought to have paper ballots at the same time. and we ought to have a very low threshold. again, recounted the paper ballots and that just makes sense. it's common sense, but if we implement and every jurisdiction you're not going to have problems where americans are each other's throats you're talking about a technical thing like instead of having one half of 1% be the trigger for recount, you would put it even lower. >> i mean, that's that's the sort of whatever i'm not choosing a particular threshold, but its threshold that makes sense. that's a very low threshold where you got a recount if you if you if there are some question oh and that's i don't think i'm saying something that's controversial. i'm saying
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something that i think most americans for virtually any american would agree with. let's have an election says at even 10% of americans who are crazy people and even a question because our election system is the best election system in the world, and nobody in i mean fermont for example has very, very little action cism, nobody ever questions that vermont elections and we ought to be able to do the same thing. and every state, where we are supposed to be the template for democracy and every country in the world, let's make sure we put a man on the moon we, we've had all these accomplishments. let's make sure we haven't system that. nobody is questioning even crazy people are always going to question it though well, you're always going to question it and that you want to narrow the margin of people who are questioning it as much as possible i mean, nobody any kind of legitimate claim about it. that's all i'm saying. what i'm saying isn't saying
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i'm not saying that president trump won the election with president biden, and i've never said anything or suggested anything like that. all i'm saying is let's focus on the issues that bring people together than constantly focusing on the polar is age on the issues that dr. americans apart and habits all at each other's throats with this very, very toxic polarization and demon is ation of each other. >> i want to ask you, i mentioned at the top of the program how trump was trying to tie you to the far left, right with his recent posts, most radical left candidate in the race, i guess this would mean is going to be taking votes from cricket joe biden, which would be a great service to america. i love it. he's running obviously the democrats crowds were putting up a billboards outside your rally tying you to maga and to trump. but it's very interesting over time, over the past six months when you and trump have spoken about each other, i wanted to play some of those times and give you a chance to explain here it is i will say rfk junior, who i've known, not
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very well, but i've known for a while and i respect him a lot of people >> respect to the people who support donald trump field at their regarded by the as deplorable people. and that they're not part of our country i think donald trump made them feel like they were part of our country that she's very smart guy and a good guy. >> i'm proud that president trump likes me i was most curious actually about your last statement there what about >> president trump >> liking you, make you proud >> here's first of all, i definitely the only candidate running who is sued donald trump twice. and one losses and so trump, trump as a lot of things wrong. and i call them on it, but i i i i tried to be i candidate who's not running on rank are running on vitriol
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who's not running on personal attacks, but is running based upon my record and based upon my ideas on the issues now, here's here's let me explain to you how i view this issue. i think there's a revolution happening in our country and it's the same kind of thing that happened when my father was running and 1968 the polar is asian, the division americans is the most toxic it's been since the american civil war that is there's a whole group of people in this country, the american middle-class, if these 7% of americans who camp what their hands on had thousand dollars. if there's an emergency in their family it's always people. if the engine light comes on in their cards, the apocalypse, or they're going to lose their car, lose their job they're feeling forgotten. i had the democratic party, they used to represent the interests of the middle-class. they're feeling for the entire political establishment honore trump came in in 2016 and said
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to those people, yeah, the whole thing is fixed and that's what they wanted to hear populist movements can either be harnessed by cox for dark reasons and with using all the outcome is a demagoguery or they can be captured by idealistic leaders and idealistic reason my father capture most of the white vote in marilyn delaware, and eastern stage just before his death. and i four years later, those same people voted for george wallace why is that? they were populous. my father captured that energy with a powers of an idea >> are you a populist or you list, how would you describe myself as a populace, but my father was a populace an a populace for idealism or for that merit, because rate is our signature values are democracy for free speech, for
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constitution, for democracy, that's not run in captured by corporate interests and he wore and for the middle class, for the cops, for the firefighters, for working people in this country about rebuilding our middle-class about making sure our kids have, are able to live the american dream. there's the american him when i was against that, if you weren't hardy, people, you could buy a house, you good financed it. you could take a summer vacation, you could raise a family, you could put something aside for retirement on one job. my kit, i have seven kids, aaron and not believe that that promise will be held applies to them. and why an art there are sick today. when i was a kid, juvenile diabetes a pediatrician typically would see one case in its entire lifetime >> did >> a one out of every three kids walked into his office is diabetic or diabetic? why isn't the political where we're spending more on
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diabetes and we are a defense budget. why isn't the political establishment talking about this? we ought to be solving this problem so why are health agencies never even asking this question? >> you just mentioned seven children and i'm and i'm wondering as we sit here and you're doing this interview, you're doing interviews, you're doing rallies, and you're running the candidacy that you're running has cost you a lot personally. it is cost you siblings, family members have spoken out against what you're doing. they are angry, they're upset, they're hurt your sister. worry was on our show recently and she spoke about at jfk's grandson also posted on social media overnight something i don't know if you saw it. i wanted to play both of them i feel strongly that this is the most important election of our lifetime, and i >> do worry that bobby just taking some percentage of votes from biden could shift the election and lead to trump's election. >> he's training in on camelot
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celebrity conspiracy theories and conflict for personal gain and fame i've listened to him i know him i have no idea why anyone thinks he should be president. what i do know is his candidacy is an embarrassment. >> that's your that's your family. yeah. i have a big family about 105 cousins on the last time we can always are and i have siblings who are supporting me. i have i have i have cousins and nephews and nieces who are working in my campaign i can't paint as being run by my daughter-in-law . my, you know, by are the political party that we started is chaired by my cousin. have any shriver, listen i have a big family i don't know anybody in america who's got a family who agrees with them on everything. i don't know if that's your situation, erin,
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if you have a family who believes everything you do is like unicorns and rainbows but i would, i come from a family, from a milieu where we came home at night and eight with my father and he would orchestrate debates between us and we were in the same way that his father did with him we could disagree on issues and we could disagree with passion and information, but we still love each other. and i love rory, i love my family. i feel a lot by them listen, i understand why they don't like me running. i understand president biden has been 40 year friend to me and my family. he has a bust. my father behind him on the oval office. he talked about how my father inspired him to enter politics. there's five members of my family work for the biden administration oh, you know, i understand why they're just made that. i'm running against them. they're also worried what my sisters my candidacy make a trump elected what what
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happens if you wake up the day after the election? >> we have >> results and that is what happened well will you regret it? would >> when i when i said, you applies to that i don't think you hit president trump or president biden are going to solve the debt crisis in this country, which is existential. i don't think either of them are gonna get his head of foreign wars. is addiction that we have to forever wars. president trump actually said he was gonna do that, but then he appointed john bolton. he said he was going to train this bob. he appointed john oldness, had event jose and that's john paul is a swamp creature, is a template for swamp creatures i don't think either of them are capable of ending the corporate capture of all of our agencies, the capture of the cia military industrial complex, and capture of nih, cdc, and fda by the pharmaceutical company the capture usda by process food and big ag they're not going to do anything about that. so
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it's going to be more at this aim, whoever gets elected there's going to be changes around the margins tax and abortion or whatever okay. but both of them only have for years and i don't think they can dismantle democracy in four years i think americans institutions aren't too great for that and the chance for meat actually change the nature of governance in this country to restore democracy, to restore our nation's moral authority abroad foreign policy that is not based on war, are projecting military power, but on projecting economic power and moral strength the chances of that happening are too great and too important for me to give up this contests. >> bobby kennedy, thank you very much. i really appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me all right >> next, the dnc watching this interview closely along with every move that rfk junior has been making. and we're back with live reaction plus the reporter who uncovered the russian government operatives let's you poisoned alexey navalny now says, russia is
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tied to the mysterious of anna's syndrome attacks on more than 100 american officials. i'm going to talk to the reporter christo grozev, who broke this also outfront tonight, the man known as havana syndrome patient zero. >> and >> more breaking news, this our trump just lost $1 billion today hey on paper to tell you how >> let's get started >> where's your mask? >> i really tried sleeping with it. everybody, but i'm done struggling. now, i sleep with inspire inspire, inspires of sleep apnea treatment that works inside my body with just a click for this button, a bretton, no mass >> just sleep >> but you need the who as you need the air inspire sleep apnea, innovation, learn more and view important safety information at inspire sleep.com the rise thank
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closely. the party standing up a team of five debtor solely tasked with monitoring third-party candidates. of course, bobby kennedy chief among them. and just tonight in response to your interview, one of those peoples tweeting, imagine launching a spoiler campaign for president because you weren't allowed to peddle conspiracy theories online. a d&c source telling us that the strategy for that team has a few different elements. but the main part of it is seeking to define bobby kennedy early before it's clear who he is siphoning votes from, or how many votes? saying this to cnn saying the party is watching him like we would any opponent and not taking anything for granted. now, among the messaging that's resulted as the dynamic that you were talking about in your company? for station with him, the fact that not only is the biden campaign seeking to align him with trump and width trump's donors, but also suggesting that trump's team is trying to prop him up to look more liberal, to pick up votes from biden, the biden campaign has
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not really engage directly with the kennedy campaign are mentioned it directly, but not so subtly. they do talk often about how many members of the kennedy family do support the president biden. but as he just told you, aaron, he knows that he and his family had been friends with the bidens for several decades? >> yes. obviously wanted to point that out. kayla, thank you very much. at the white house tonight and i want to go now the daniel dale and daniel, a lot of things that kennedy said in that interview deserve a little bit more attention including his claim that he made that the 2004 election was quote, stolen from john kerry towards the end, he made that point. i'll just play it again. >> thousand one. we had an election stolen in this country during the bush gore election in 2004. i want wrote an award winning article for rolling stone that showed how election was stolen from john kerry i don't think most americans agree with me about 2001 that
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it was taught when election from, our, from the democratic party candidate so daniel, that's not something that a lot of people have heard. the 2004 election, okay. and it stood out to you along with a few other key moments there >> it did. so he did write an article about >> this in 2006 and rolling stone claiming that the election was stolen from john kerry because of what happened in the state of ohio, than an important swing state. that article did not actually prove the election was stolen. it raised a litany of some very real problems that nonetheless did not show that carry would have won the state, if not for those problems. it also made like like in many cases, with mr. kennedy, a whole bunch of speculative leaps, assumptions about data that experts in these things like exit polling said we're just not true. so no, there was no proof the election was stolen 2004 from mr. kerry mr. kennedy also made some other claims there, and i think we need to look at he asserted that president biden deny has denied him secret service protection in this
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election. first of all, there is no evidence that president biden has been at all personally involved in decisions about but who should and should not get secret service protection secondly, i think it's important to note that there are federal criteria for who gets set protection, including such things as being the nominee of a major party which mr. kennedy is not being at 15% or higher consistently for a month in the real clear politics polling average, average with mr. kennedy currently is not. now there is some discretion. the secretary of homeland security, but yes, part of the biden administration can decide to offer protection. but there's no evidence this has been a decision for mr. biden to put him at risk he also claimed that president biden has been personally censoring him. we know there is a controversy about a white house communications with social media companies he is about what posts should post an account should remain up or not. there is no evidence that biden has been involved whatsoever, and it's important to remember that he was posting a frequent serial vaccine and other covid-19 misinformation. that's what we're talking
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about here, not political criticism. >> all right. all right. which is obviously very significant to note that distinction. >> all right. thanks to daniel dale, jeff zeleny is back with me now. and in addition, ashley allison joins former national coalition director for the biden harris 2020 campaign and david urban, former senior advisor to the trump campaign so ashley, you know, you hear kayla, the dnc they're watching kennedy. they we saw they put the big billboard up saying that he's maga trying to tie him to trump. you. just start them describe himself as a populist so what, what, what do you make of the way he's dealing with this right now >> look, i think rfk's interview just did was terrifying >> not only did >> he push lie after lie and some conspiracy theories, he actually didn't say one time what he would do for the american people he talked about them, but he didn't make a clear plan for what he wants to
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do for them. he will be a spoiler. most likely he is not on enough. you ask them this, he's not on enough. valid. right now to actually get 270 electoral college votes. would you actually need to win the prize? as in c of the united states? and i just like he talked about so many issues that are baffling to me, but he talked about chronic disease? yes. chronic disease is an issue, but he also said that abortion rights, half of the population has lost a constitutional right. and that's not an existential crisis. he talked about guns which is the leading cause of death for children. he talked about being the candidate for young people, but doesn't consider the gun crisis in our country at exit the existential crisis. he talks about joe biden being a bigger threat to democracy and not donald trump when donald trump had people go and storm the capitol, tried to kill, not only nancy pelosi, but his vice president, mike pence, who is no longer supporting donald trump. so his
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candidacy is extremely problematic. the dnc needs to take it head on robert f. kennedy is a problem for america as a candidate. >> jeff sally, what, what do you make of the argument that he made? and how, will that play from where you're hearing it that he was saying that you could make the argument he was making the argument that joe biden could be a greater threat to democracy than donald trump, even though he said that what donald trump did on in january was wrong >> i looked his point there was because of social media as daniel was saying that he argued that he was blocked from social media, but listening to that, that is not something that certainly would resonate with most democratic disaffected democratic voters. so that's certainly sounds like in gives credence to the idea that yes, he is going to take supporters potentially from both sides. that's very much more of a republican or trumpian messages if you will. but aaron, i think one of the things that struck me when you
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talk to democrat who truly are upset and discussed it. a disappointed this administration, one of the reasons is the gaza policy and there would be an opening talking to many democrats if there was a candidate, a third option who was really making that the core of their message that could be hey problem for young voters that is not the core of rfk juniors message at all. no. >> i think he said you to match that he would speak to that. >> yeah. i mean, even ten days ago, he was not even saying there was time for season biden, of course, is much more ceasefire than rfk. more pro israel than biden or trump right now, it appears >> so, david, can i just show >> you the map again because you heard kennedy make the argument that he's going to get on the ballot in an all states all, right. now, he's only on the ballot formally in utah. says he's got the signature threshold for eight other states and that does include key swing states, michigan, jordan, nevada, arizona, north carolina, all on that >> do you do you believe that he will be successful in
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getting on the ballot in enough states where you would be competitive from an electoral college perspective? to 70 will have to wait and see on that. first of all, i'd like to yield my time to daniel dale to come fact check alison, but i don't i know we don't have enough time. so as they're all do it, so clearly, democrats are concerned very, very concerned because what i hear ashley's saying is what i hear over and over again. about rfk junior, right? he's he's this he's a bigger threat to democracy. the donald trump's. so you can't vote for either of those two. but to your point is he going to be on the ballot in enough states? i think he's gonna be on the bouton plenty of states. i think he's going to he's got the money. he may be on the libertarian ticket to get in if that's the case that he's on every state, you'll get section that yeah. yeah. >> so we've got a lot of road to >> run down here yet, i will say listening to him. what he what he sounded like. i hear i feel your pain, america. i feel your pain about the check engine light going on. he really pretty populist matches, i think is going to resonate. i
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think at the end of the day, the democrats should be plenty scared of rfk because he's a relatable he's, you know, i've spent only a little bit of time with them, but he's an interesting character, very relatable very, very likable, affable guy on the campaign trail. and it's gonna be, it's gonna be a problem if he gets out there and gets on these ballots all right. >> thank you all very much next, we've got new reporting from investigative journalist christo grozev, who is revealing that a russian intelligence unit is tied to the debilitating havana syndrome attacks on american official he's my guest along with the man who's known as patient zero. and trump's network plunging by more than $1 on par. >> and >> this may be just e beginning, and we'll explain >> ocd is more than what you see on tv. and in the movies, it comes with unrelenting and truth who sieve images, thoughts, and urges. if you have ocd and need help, you can get better. who specialized treatment go to know cd.com to
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attended by president biden, president zelenskyy of ukraine. and of course, many other heads of state >> havana syndrome is >> the mysterious medical condition that has been experienced this date, we know by at least or more than 100 us officials in the united states and abroad. that includes debilitating brain injuries. the effects cut short careers. we've many need of serious medical attention sometimes manifests as early dementia it comes to cbs is 60 minutes is linking havana syndrome cases to a specific russian military group known as gru unit 29155 this report was led by the investigative reporter, crystal grows up. he's even identified this person is very young man, son of the founding commander of that gru unit as being present when incidents occurred in georgia in the state and the country of georgia in the capital tbilisi. if a us today is standing by its assessment from a year ago that a foreigner for an adversary is unlikely behind the attacks of christo grozev joins me now to begin our coverage. the lead investigative journalist who was breaking so much of this
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reporting on the link between russians and the havana syndrome cases, we should note, of course, you also were able to track down the fsb links to the novichok poisoning of alexey navalny. so once again, via your sources, you are doing this incredible reporting. so gru unit two, you said you had tears in your eyes when you discovered this connection? this connection to this russian military intelligence unit, because it became so clear to you that they were indeed behind these attacks. tell me about that moment >> we have been investigating this unit four years ever since 2018 when they were behind the poisoning with novichok of sergei skripal in the uk i had a understanding of what they do. i knew that they were going after people to debilitate them to assassinate them, to block things but those just a hypothesis that maybe they're also behind this operation, which had one big question a gap in the knowledge who could
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have done it, who could have been at so many places around the world where american diplomats were falling prey to this syndrome then we discovered in the mailbox of one of these commanders from this unit, which was lead by russian hackers to us back in 2009 19, but only opponent's review last year, i discovered this document which is essentially a receipt that it literally said, here's 100,000 rubles to you, commander for having tested and developed a non-lethal acoustic weapon. and this was the moment that i thought, okay, well, this is the connection that makes it very, very obvious that this team wanted to do that. they have the capability. >> so the young man that i just showed the picture of the sun, of the gru commanding officer that was into police. he georgia so you identified him? he was outside a home in tbilisi, the spouse of an embassy official who was into bluesy, a us embassy official, experience of debilitating piercing since station is how you describe it that came in through the window in her ear? >> correct. so then she leaves the room. she goes to a bathroom. she projectile
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vomits. this is just the actual moment of the attack itself. she's now had two surgeries to put metal plates into her head. she may need further surgery. >> i mean, this is completely >> transformed her life what did you learn about the man who was nearby and what he might have done >> well, first of all, he was the son of the commander of the founding commander of this unit andre every no visa, scary person who is currently in charge of putin's operations in africa. he took over from prigozhin, somebody that your audience would be very well familiar with. but since 2008, this person, the father, has been in charge of creating this unit of assassins and his son only when when he was only 18 was brought into the midst of this assassination unit. and he was essentially trained on the job. he was brought two let's watch what that is doing. de and he was taken to many, many operations, including this one, but he was by this time he was already a regular member of this unit.
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>> so looking at these over the years, there has always been speculation we even in havana and i remember visiting that embassy. they are the us embassy is a real fortress like place, right? but then there were officials who experienced these horrible attacks. that's how it became known as the vanna syndrome. >> they were >> always suspicions that it was tied to russia and yet it was never proven. and now the us government doubles down on its conclusion. they say that it is not likely an adversary behind the attacks, which is an odd, just use of words because obviously something adversarial is accusing is occurring, right? but they're saying not an adversary and not a state actor. what's your response to that >> well, i can understand why the us government may have a different threshold of being persuaded to being convinced that then as journalists and they may be a reason for them to withhold some information from the public. for example, because they don't i want to escalate relations with russia. this may be a legitimate reason but if i have to confront the us government on their statements, i have to pose the
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question this way these are people, these are assassins >> total >> number of about 50 that we've discovered who happened to arrive to places where havana incidents do happen they arrive on the cover. they arrived by making up the utmost possible to hide their tracks, tracks. >> they were there to do something at these places. we were talking about seven or eight different incidents, not just the three that we reported. maybe the us government has a better explanation that we have what they were doing there. but unless they eight incidents directly to one. of those 50 and leslie find and give us or give their colleagues a better explanation what these pi's we're doing their, again, these are not spies. their assassin spice what they were doing there. then i would stick to my hypothesis. >> all right. >> quest's. thank you very much. and i know you'll have more to share with us as the week goes on and thank you so much. christo grozev, breaking this news and i want to go now to a former us government official who is widely known as the patient zero of havana syndrome. the first-person believed to report the debilitating symptoms when he
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was based? there in havana and embassy, we showed you. now, i want to be clear that he is comfortable speaking to us on camera. and you see him there. he doesn't want us to use his its full name. he wants to be referred to as adam. and so that is exactly what i will do and appreciate very much you're taking the time and i know after what happened to you of the risk and speaking, atom so when you hear christos reporting and you know, all of the details here now, do you believe that it is russia that's behind the attacks that have so severely impacted your health i think we all suspected russia for a long time there's always been a little drips of information that we've gotten through the building and other sources. but this is the first time that we've seen it. all aggregated together. and one big piece, one big undeniable piece of evidence. and so frankly it feels a bit like a weight has been lifted off from our shoulders because it feels like we've been pointing this direction the entire time and i'm krista really went to bat and prove that so adam, you
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have suffered unbelievably from this and the brain injuries that you've been forced to medically retire, you're now blind in one eye. i know you struggled to maintain your balance at times this is transformed your life. can you share with all of us? >> what you now experience on a day-to-day basis, what this has done to your life >> i mean, i am not the person that i was. i can't do a majority of the things that i used to love to do in your personal relationships have suffered. family my family has suffered from this this s a per all the loved ones around you. and so you know, you, you fight every day and you put on a strong base, but, you know, some days it's really hard and i just wish those a little more empathy from from our employer. >> and can i talk about your employer because the state department is responded to this report by reiterating the us
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assessment that it's unlikely a foreign adversary is behind any of this what do you think is going on here? iean,o you think they're trying to cov isp? do you think that the's simplyryintovoid happening o you think is >> when you look at the aggregate of the information, right? s the 60 minutes reporting you hathe aa lead that has seen all the evidce says the building and the ic has seen saying it's russia. you have chris oversaw. the script ball and the navalny poisoning when the us icy couldn't saying it's russia you have last september, you had putin describing new physical property weapons. they've developed. and one of his foreign ministers coming out and saying that they've neutralized hundreds of western spies then the agency's paying havana act for brain injury. that's from hostile act on the backend. one of these things doesn't match and it's frankly what the agency is saying and public >> and let me just bring christo back into this atom while you're here christo what
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is what have you felt so far has been the response from the gru unit. i mean, you've been working on this for two years. are you afraid of retribution? revenge? >> while the ship has sailed because of all of my proceeding investigations. but at this point, it was important for me to put the data. we found out because i do believe that the silence behind it, the denial by the us government is actually contributing to the russian security services feeling of entitlement that they're better than their impervious. pervious exactly. and i think this may have helped put in become the person he is. he is, he may have helped him decide that he can wage a war on ukraine and nobody will interfere because the west is so weak, they can't even get there act together to find out what's happening to their own diplomats so i think it was important to push back and i hope that this report that some of that and adam, i'll give you the final word. what do you hope the us government does now
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>> i think the us government has a lot of tools in our arsenal. and frankly, i think they need to take this inside. they need to rebuild trust with those that were hurt with the staff that are currently working and frankly with policymakers in the government, and they can deal with us insight and they can take care of this. problem with external tools as well. i just don't see that this needs to be a publicly debated issue anymore. they can solve this and they can fix it adam, thank you very much, christo. thank you very much. i appreciate both of you taking the time and adam for sharing your story and finally, tonight, trump's suppose net worth, taking a massive tumble of shares of his truth social are now publicly trading well, guess what? they came out the company and they said that they lost 58 million and only had 4 million million dollars in revenue in 2023. those are painful revelations and that immediately crushed the evaluation of the stock costing trump 1 billion on paper. the losses in fact, so severe that the companies own accountants are sounding the alarm that it could implode, which is why experts think the company is multibillion-dollar