illegally used against me and many others. they spied on my campaign and glowed cnn's lauren fox is up on capitol hill watching all these important developments. lauren does this underscore the question, who's really in charge? on capitol hill >> well, certainly donald trump's influence here on capitol hill was seen by those who wanted to oppose the fisa rule yesterday as a major victory for their side. i actually talked to matt gaetz moments after that truth, social post went up and dates was arguing that he believed it was going to hell pam take down the rules, certainly that is what happened yesterday on the floor of the house of representatives. and we should just underscore how unusual it was before this congress for rules to go down. these procedural votes in this kind of fashion. usually, if you don't like a bill, you don't vote for the bill. but the tradition has always been that the majority party would help get the process started on the

floor. that is simply what this rule vote was. and yet they still couldn't get it over the finish line right now. now what we are hearing from the speaker's office is that there is a hope that they might be able to go back to the house rules committee restructure this rule and create some kind of harmony among republicans to actually get this debate started on the floor. but again, they are up against a deadline as intelligence officials are making clear that they our very concerned about fisa not being reauthorized by the april 19 deadline, arguing that the impact on their ability to collect intelligence would be severe at a time when there are so many threats happening. against the united states at the same time. now, there is a big question right now about what johnson's future holds, what his speakership holds given that threat for marjorie taylor greene and republicans are just frustrated with the level of tumbled and chaos that they are experiencing day to day working in their jobs. here's one of those members

>> all you have to do this, say we've got seven more months for the presidentially >> that's trying to >> complete referring to place bernie place. now, let's just get donald trump. that's it? that's what we should fall. that's my thought. >> were dysfunction. we are it's come somewhat embarrassing to make edison the button a little bit november but my focus is donald j. trump now because we can't, nobody can manage his conference the lord jesus himself could not manage his conference >> now obviously, this big meeting tomorrow between speaker mike johnson and president trump at mar-a-lago is going to be an important moment for speaker johnson as he tries to bolt, hold on to his speaker's gavel and navigate the next several months on capitol hill, wolf lauren fox. >> thank you very, very much we're following some important breaking news right now. oj simpson has died at the age of

76 cnn, stephanie elam has more on his life oj simpson sort of fame as number 32 for the buffalo bills. >> i'm sorry. >> and plummeted to infamy as inmate number one, 7820. and then the vata department of corrections in-between simpson lead a life filled with more surreal drama than all of his various film and tv projects combined mass media experts say simpsons sensational televised, low speed chase arrest and murder trial doesn't fit you must acquit stand as the first reality show. and perhaps the greatest three bring television phenomenon ever at one point, the world herc oj simpson's ex-wife, nicole brown simpson say, you don't want to stay on the line going to be then later symptom was charged with the horrific murders by knife of nicole and her friend ron goldman. >> ron and nicole. were what

shirt? the trial made lawyers and even witnesses, household names are on file. james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder >> when the jury freed simpson celebration erupted in parts of los angeles. but simpson would never recapture his idol status simpson first brennan into the national spotlight as the heisman trophy winning running back at the university of southern california. then 11 spectacular years with the nfl fell, vaulted him to the pro football hall of fame simpson cashed in on the popularity becoming a pitch menn, four hertz and an actor becoming well for the naked gun movies. o, j simpson, as you've never seen them before >> symptom played a lawmen on screen? and ran into trouble with the court's offscreen. he lost the multi-million-dollar wrongful death suit brought by the families of his ex-wife and ron goldman then moved to florida in 2016, was accused of

assault in a roadway rage incident and miami, he was found not guilty and 2005 he was found guilty and fined for stealing satellite television then in 2007 in las vegas police arrested him on several felony charges, including kidnapping and armed robbery. in that case, simpson and armed accomplices rate at a hotel room and what he called an attempt to just get back some of his stolen belongings. >> am i didn't know i was doing on anything illegal. i thought i was confronting friends, in retrieving my property >> the nevada jury never bought his story and instead sent him to prison he was released on parole nine years later in the dead of night with no fanfare and no bright future, just the distinction of arguably the greatest rise and fall and pop culture history >> thank you, stephanie, for that report. once again, we're following the breaking news right now. oj simpson has died at the age of 76. cnn's jean

casarez covered oj for several years and is joining us right now. gene, let's talk a little bit about o j simpson. >> well, first of all, there is a tweet that has come out from his family. we do want to read that for everyone. and it says on april 10th, our father or in fall, james simpson succumbed to his battle with cancer he was surrounded by his children and grandchildren during this time of transition, his family ask that you please respect their wishes for privacy and grace. the simpson family, you know what? there are really two oj simpson's because one is that football he wrote that this country adored for so many years. and in southern california, i think those of us from southern california believed that we got to know him originally because as a graduate, he graduated from usc was the heisman trophy winner. he was everything to people in southern california. after then going on to the buffalo bills and also the san francisco 49 years. >> but >> when i really started

talking with him personally myself at that las vegas trial, i was the correspondent for his las vegas trial, was kidnapping. it was armed robbery. i think people thought of it as a funny thing, a joke, but the courts and nevada thought of it has very serious because the potential was decades in prison. but every day i would go to the courthouse he was there, he was on bail, so he would just be in the hallway. he would be in the gallery. he'd be talking to people once he found out that i was from southern california and i was a usc graduate hey, wanted to talk to me all the time because his passion was football. his passion was usc. he loved it and he was very he wasn't nervous about what was happening at that trial, although the evidence was not good against him and he was ultimately convicted on all counts and all of his cronies. it was all his golfing other buddies and they they had gone to try to retrieve what had

been his personal property, but it was owned by someone else at the time. unfortunately, some of them had a couple of guns and so it became an armed robbery situation. but he just took it in his stride, but he was very nice to everybody, very humbled to everyone. one and everyone knew what he'd been through and california and all the questions that remained about the murders of nicole brown simpson, and also ron goldman. but he waconvicd onll counts he was sennced to 33 years in prison ov three decades. he served it out in la lovelock, nevada, which is a northern central outside of reno, nevada. and he served nine years and he was released and i was there when he was released as the correspondent for the network he was a very subdued thing, but he stayed in las vegas the next j we heard he was golfing. once again at

home in las vegas. >> and that's >> where we believe he he stayed for the remainder of his life. but there were definitely two oj simpson's and now secrets are possibly gone forever because the murder of nicole brown, nicole goldman, the coal brown and ron goldman we may never know the real truth. a jury acquitted him and 30 minutes, we know that, so we was acquitted but what really happened to the lives of those two people? may forever become secret >> jena, i want you to stay with us, alysa. i want to bring in our cnn contributor bob costas, who's joining us right now, bob. but what's your reaction to the death of oj simpson? how do you think he will be remembered and talk a little bit about the tremendous cultural in fact, he had as a player in the nfl and actor and as a criminal defendant >> well as great as he was as a player. and it's enough to say he was a hall of fame quality

player. he was one of the handful of greatest running backs in the history of college football. and than the nfl. and he also has quality that's difficult to define and statistics alone don't capture it. he was wonderful to watch and he was always gracious with the press without going he was not just admired, but below. and then to your point about being a cultural force, this is all prior to the murders. he was if not the first, he was the first to do it in a big way. an african american athlete who broke through he said may have the quote incorrect. i'm not black, i'm not white. i'm oj and part of that was almost exemplified by a little stereotypical sort of blue haired lady saying, go oj, go as direct through the airport in the rent-a-car commercials and there were zillions of other commercials. and as jeanne outlined in our

piece or is the piece of proceeded jean coming on outlying and movies? we're countless television appearances the stars everything about him people feel more or less. there were pockets of black community and i remember brown and i about this. he didn't like go jay, but if path that is certain racial issues. so there was that. but by enlarge was one of the most popular, athlete. it's will pop in the united states. i didn't know him well when he was playing football predated by be done eventually, we wound up being for forethought precomposed skin shows. ball on nbc as he was hailed remember the name of 2p2

brought coffee when you first got on the set to everybody, willing to show up a charity events. good company at dinner or on the golf course. all things changed in an in june of 1994 and a lot of what he did that in his life the first will come by. most people and subsequent split subsequently, the murder him selves the low-speed protease was cover spec file or the beginning better worse, over the television. and then although he lived some years after that most of that was lived off the radar with his friends playing golf. he did a twitter account occasionally posted about the he fell other thoughts, but he was a shadow figure >> it's really amazing when i think about oj simpson, of

course, i remember when he played for my buffalo bills, i grew up in buffalo and i'm a huge buffalo bills fan and oj was just a special player. he was loved by everyone in buffalo. we were thrilled whenever we would see him on the field. he was really, really a special nfl star and those of us who love the buffalo bills, we're so grateful and appreciative that he was playing for our buffalo bills standby bob, i want to bring in our christine brennan are cnn sport sports analyst as well. christine, give us your reaction to the death of oj simpson >> well, and bob, you know, this is of course an american icon someone who transcended sports of course, bob, was referring to. i mean, what we see now with athletes today that be caitlin clark recently. of course, tom brady's serena williams lebron. i could go on and on. the first name basis that were on, but these athletes, the fact that we absolutely expect to see them

on commercials as we saw with women's basketball, you're watching the games and then they go to commercials and you see caitlin clark time and again, or angel reese this to me really started with oj and the hertz commercials. if i was referring to the as a girl growing up in toledo, i knew oj because i was such a sports fan and it's not about sports. i of course knew him for his buffalo bills days and the big 1973 seasons and when he ran for over 2000, 2003, always remember that number of course, i knew him as an athlete, but i also knew him as a pitch man. and that crossover appeal into every living room so even if he didn't love football, you knew oj because of his ability to transcend sports. and of course becomes a businessman and the pitch man that he, he was. and then the trial. and of course, the civil trial would to the

civil case, he lost and the fall from grace that was extraordinary and well-deserved absolutely self-induced. and a man that would never be seen the same again. and so yes, truly american story, cultural, sports everything, the rise and fall of o j. but a major, major part of our lives for the entirety of our lives. >> it's a basic when you think about that rise and fall, it was so dramatic and so much of that fall is a lot of us remember who were old enough to remember that we're seeing live on television the trial, the aftermath, and all of that. it just had such a huge impact all of us remember that the video of the car chase that was seen live on television as well. these were moments that many of us, christina and i'm sure you were you as well will never forget well that's true and in fact, i was working at the washington post at the time. and the moment the car chase happened, which was going on during an beer game, i was not

covering that game. i was at home. my sports editor toward solomon done on the phone with me and said, fly to san francisco immediately. that was the next morning. and i went knocked on oj simpson's sisters door, we fanned out because we knew this story was going to be so huge. and through every resource from the washington post at this story, and i ended up being in california at specific was very nice to answer the door, did not want to speak to me. that was fine. and then i flew to la and i helped out with the coverage there for several weeks this was an extraordinary time when news organizations had money to throw at these things. we don't is much now and just the amount of journalists, the amount of reporters. it was alluded to earlier, the number of superstars and the media who, who started or gained fame, as well as of course, the lawyers, kardashian of course, so much of our cultural history and more, it came and emanated from that kind of launched from that story, as well as careers in the media. and so yeah, that

was a big deal for me. i remember covering it and it was all hands on deck. well, everyone, this is so big and we know it's so big and washington imposed among many, many news organizations with all over it from the very beginning, who was so huge indeed it was really an amazing moment for so many of us. indeed around the country. i stand by for a moment. i want to bring in our legal analyst, joey jackson joey, you remember that oj simpson trial, he was charged with the murder of the coal brown simpson and ron goldman >> let's talk >> a little bit how that divided the country to a certain degree, right? >> yeah, it really did well what a day. and certainly what a historical moment that was in so many respects. not at all forgetting the two deaths and certainly the prosecution's efforts to bring those debts. the justice as we look there at a pivotal moment both right? everyone remembers if the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit. and i think when you talk about

the division of the country, i think johnnie cochran, the attorney, he was the person who certainly i look up tool still to this day. it was about really having a trial that deflected and talked about the racism of the lapd and really made that front and center as to why oj should be acquitted, questioning the issues with respect to the police protocols, the police practices, what they did, how they focused and targeted on him to the exclusion of other evidence, just assembling a dream team. it wasn't only johnnie cochran, you remember barry shack, you remember ron gop, you remember are number of other people who were on that dream team with regard to what they did and challenging dna and looking and assessing chain of custody issues in terms of the evidence was contaminated in any respect whether or not the blood that was their belong to him, what just challenging every piece of evidence and so i think what they did wolffian

really acquitting him was to focus their efforts not on the deaths and on domestic violence and on other issues which would appoint to his gill. but talking about marc furman and the end word and racism. and just in some respects, yes, it did divide the country in other respects it's a feeling of that there was finally justice for a person that some thought and certainly his team thought was falsely accused. that's very controversial. obviously, he was found liable with respect to the civil case. but as it related to the criminal case, he was acquitted and i think that was done in large measure by the server currently the tremendous lawyering that was done in that case, and i think any lawyer such as myself and others learned a lot from that. and but i don't want to deflect, of course, from the deaths and, the loss of lives, obviously that occurred that affected and impacted so many. and of course, those families, the goldman family and of

course his ex-wife. but pivotal moment in history, one that'll go down forever as really starting a culture of people being attracted to a cycle of trials and covering trials and what those browse men and following every moment, invention of court tv and the aftermath, and just certainly inspirational for attorneys such as myself to look to other models of how we could perhaps have korea's of our own. >> and so many of us were glued to our television, cnn, and other networks were taking that trial live. there were video cameras inside could watch it, unfold. it was really a dramatic moment, and i think it's fair to say in joey, i'm anxious to get your thoughts that that trial and the way it was covered, the television coverage of it, especially it had a huge impact and how we look at so many of these trials nowadays didn't it? >> it really did. i mean, look the reality is that it was it came to all of us every day. and i could remember and just finishing law school and

becoming a prosecutor in manhattan of how everyone was just glued to every moment of the trial with respect to every witness, the evidence that was introduced, looking at judge lance ido and how he conducted his courtroom, looking at the motions at the defense were challenging every bit of evidence, looking at blood splatter evidence, looking at dna, looking at what we see there is the glove does not fit moment looking at how the prosecution put together it's case, looking at the defense theories of the case, we followed everyone followed every moment of that trial. i think it really led to a fascination of not only crime and criminality, but how the media could cover this what people thought of it, and whether or not this could really be an industry of its own, right, the invention of court tv, the fact that there have been so many trials sense wolf that have been covered by cnn and other networks because we know that people are interested in justice. people are interested in injustice and people are interested in a search for the truth a certainly people are interested

in assessing whether in their view, because they've seen it and they would the 13th juror, whether the jury got it right. and so this will be a case that's the beta drought all time as to whether the jury got it right here. but i think great lawyering and a great legal team was able to overcome a significant amount of evidence in this case. to perhaps a quit their client. and at the end of the day, it's whether this proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. and if that standard is not met, then obviously a jury acquits and that's exactly what they did in this case. >> were you surprised or without a quick acquittal when oj simpson was acquitted of killing his wife, nicole brown simpson and ron goldman >> so i do have to say, i mean, i know, you know hindsight is is 2020 and we could reinvent history. but i was surprised and not not that he didn't have as i noted before, an exceptional legal team, not that they didn't raise significant issues relating to the glove, relating to the blood relating to mock firm and relating to racism of the lapd

or alleged right. in terms of how they handled the case, the rush to judgment, the the investigation that was flawed, notwithstanding all of those things that the defense brought up, it was not only a surprise that he was acquitted, but at the really the quickness in which he was acquitted. but i think again, it was because of the fence really put it to the prosecution and prosecutors, i think learn from the hey, so you can't take anything for granted. you have to deliver your case and we even in the face of things that conceivably be obvious, you still have to really teach your case to the jury in the most effective way possible. and again there's two people who are dead here that is a inefficient thing. and i think their families are ailing to this day and will be ailing for the rest of their life. so to asieh was entertainment for it to them. it was about an injustice that they believe the goldman family of course, nicole brown simpson. but the fact is, is that, wow, from a

lawyering perspective, it was lawyering one one. and while it may have surprised that is the verdict, people who looked at it at the end of the day. that's our system 12 jurors establishing proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and to the extent that you can't do that, our system demands and requires that a jury acquit as johnnie cochran said, as we continue to look at the gloves there, if they don't fit, you must acquit and those themes are important because they teach lawyers that you're telling a story to a jury every time you get before one, whether you're a prosecutor with your narrative, whether of course, your defense with your narrative, you have to teach your theory of the case. you have to tell your story story, and to the extent that you connect that story to a jury, you prevail to the extent the jury rejects your story, you do not. and so i was indeed surprised at the verdict but that's how system we respect the system of justice. there'll be controversial for the end of all time, particularly since he was found liable in a civil case. but i think his dream team game really, what's historic?

>> those were such powerful words if the gloves don't fit, you must acquit and they really had a huge impact on that jury joy stay with us. i also want to bring in our cnn akre and chief legal analyst, laura coates. so what's your reaction, laura? to the death of oj simpson? >> my goodness what a legacy of sort of left in the criminal justice system also, for so many prior to this tragedy of the death of two people. and the, and the case he was viewed as a sports icon, but just to pick up where joey might assume colleague left off i mean, there was no one who had not heard of or was not watching what unfolded for that trial from the ford bronco, don't going down the highway to i remember being in school and being able to as a collective high school, being able to take out of your classroom and watch the verse predict as it was red. that is how much it had been in into our society. and

when you look this on the eve, frankly of another high profile case, when people are wondering what jury selection will look like when they're wondering what the impact of a high-profile defendant will have on the jury pool, on the ability but he for the prosecution to make their case and meet their burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, what an extraordinary time it was names like johnnie cochran and marcia clark and christopher darden and f lee bailey and alan dershowitz and lance ido, just to name a few that became part of our every conversation and knowns the american people. and what was also known as this case was viewed through a particularized lens it had people talking about race in this country. he had people talking about wealth in this country as part of a two tier justice system that we ability to afford counsel of the stature of the oj simpson did the idea that over the course of american history, when the

race of the victims is different from the race of the defendant, that the result of the jury's verdict oftentimes did not interfere to the benefit of the defendant. in this instance, the defendant the black man, having been convicted or acquitted of murdering two white victims, was one that was discussed in terms of race in our justice system. in terms of what this meant when the long run, and it was many a subversion of how people viewed the justice system this case is something that we look to when we are comparing how long might jury selection take? what about the civil process, the preponderance of evidence versus to beyond a reasonable doubt the way to view the oj simpson trial is on the one hand, through the lens of the families those who have lost their loved ones. it's also through the lens of a, to some and indictment of the criminal

justice system to others. one of the virtues of the criminal justice system when a prosecution is unable, according to the jury, to meet their case and make their case. but i tell you, i looked at their some have had be how many? as and have studied this case now only for the length of the journey selection, the evidence that came in the idea of race in the police and law enforcement who can forget the mark firm and moments and others in this instance as well. >> and >> although we often reduce the defense to the phrases as if the judge if the glove does not fit, you must acquit think also about the facial expression of one johnnie cochran of one oj simpson when they prevailed in this instance, i suspected with as much despite his legal prowess of a shock that a case like this would have led to an acquittal. as for anyone else. but at the end of the de wolf this case has been solidified

in american history as one of the quintessential high-profile trials from which prosecutors for time immemorial and defense counsel as well. we'll look to see what it takes to prevail in a matter of such a high profile stature. >> it was really a unique moment watching all of this unfold like millions of americans i'm laura and i'm sure you remember. we watched nted to get analysis and get . a review of what exactly happened. we would spend the 9:00.m. eastern hour watching larry king le he would devote the entire show to what happened in that trial, that it was really special moments for all of us. we learn so much about the law. we learned so much about oj simpson, the lawyers who were involved, the prosecutors who were involved, it was really an incredible moment in american history. especially for those of us who are interested in the legal profession and how it unfolded

and we just showing our viewers some pictures, some images from that trial really brings back so many memories, laura, i want you to stand by. i want to bring in john miller right now cnn's chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst jump joey jackson, u may have heard them smoke aittle with a while ago about this trial. explain a little bit more how this case changed. specifically changed law enforcement and i think you agree it did because we all learn so much about the forensics and so much else. well, of course it >> became the first and most famous of the mega tv murder trials and practically launched court tv as an entity. but at all of those times, it was both at once a civics lesson. how does a criminal trial work? but also a forensic lesson. what is the scientific evidence that's going to tie this defendant to the case. but then an equally important science lesson, you had defense witnesses

questioning, well, these people went through the scene first and then everybody suited up in their protective gear so that they wouldn't contaminate the scene. but how many people had contaminated the scene? what about transfers of dna by people who passed by, walked over, may have touched sweat glands i mean, it really delved into that. it also peeled back as joey jackson pointed out, an interesting layer of the lapd, a department i served in for a period of years afterwards, which is the star witness for the lapd was detective mark fermin he could have been the lapd detective poster boy hollywood good looks, authoritative testimony. a good courtroom delivery and the guy who you looked at and said, i believe this guy is telling the truth up until the moment when f. lee bailey asked him, have you ever used the n word and he testified under oath that he

hadn't. and when ethylene bailey played those tapes of him talking to a hollywood writer talking about how lapd officers when he was on the street routinely treated people of color, his numerous use of the n word on those tapes suddenly, he wasn't revealed just as someone who was a racist but someone who was a liar about that but that moment cast all the rest of his testimony about the evidence, about oj simpson, about what he saw and what he found into doubt these were the kinds of shocking moments that were revealed about the legal process. the perry mason moment of the gloves and the hat. if it don't fit, you must acquit to the underbelly of the lapd that was exposed in this case to the questions about science. and what else did we learn? we learned in a place where there was doubt in the post rodney king world about racism in the

criminal justice system, about equity and disparity could a black man accused of killing two white people in a vicious murder, get a fair trial and as joey and laura pointed out, with an acquittal, the answer or the conclusion had to be yes, but there's a caveat to that. a lot of people said he wasn't the average defendant of person of color in a case like that because he came not with just one high priced lawyer but a team of high price lawyers who were each an expert in their own field. there you see athlete bailey, there you see johnnie cochran and in these other pictures, you see peter new felt, a lawyer who was a specialist in dna science and blood work. you'll see him right there in that picture. so was he the average defendant who could get a fair trial? no, he wasn't, but it's certainly became a lesson for the world. these people, including mark fermin ethylene bailey already

was johnnie cochran and others became household names a lawyer who was a friend of oj simpson, who wasn't key to the defense. bob kardashian became famous in the case, and then his children went on to becoming famous just for being famous. so the legacy of this trial is something that stays with us i'm still in many ways every minute of every day. i do know and the nypd we watched it very closely and said, do our crime scene investigations measure up to this standard because this is going to be the new standard it's so amazing because i don't know if you can think of another high-profile trial like the one we all watched with oj simpson. where someone who had >> been the heisman trophy winner, the greatest college football player when he played at the university southern california and then became an nfl all-star when he played for my buffalo bills now one of the greatest half backs in the nfl. and then all of a sudden these

accused of this double murder. and then we all watched it unfold on television and so many of us, we couldn't believe what we were seeing at the time, but just reflect a little bit how someone who was so high all of a sudden was thrown way down i mean, the fall from grace from his sports legacy to his transition into the hearts commercials. the acting and the series of movies his comedic ability, a lot of the things that made people love oj simpson we're certainly transformed in this very dark and macabre and brutal case. as joey jackson pointed out, a few minutes ago, you know, we cannot forget no matter what the criminal justice system did here, that there were real victims, real lives lost, and the most terrible way and that he was the individual looked even after the trial by so many people as being responsible for that. but there were also these moments of stunning drama, not

just in the courtroom, but the slow motion chase where he is in the background talking about wanting to take his own life that he was going to possibly shoot himself and the idea that the lapd was able to navigate their way through this and not have it end in a violent way. and to be able to take him into custody after that you just never knew what oj simpson was going to bring to a case like this. and then of course, you get to nevada where he arrested for allegedly assembling a squad of people to beat up people who are selling oj simpson memorabilia that he thought was wrongly taken from him and that he should get back and you wonder how does someone who gets a second chance after being acquitted of a double homicide end up in a penny ante scheme in a las vegas hotel

room to get back old stuff it was the case that just kept on giving and not always in a good way. >> and then convicted and winds up spending some time some significant time in jail as a result of that, as well. really amazing, amazing history unfolding, amazing story as mrsa john stay with us, everyone stayed with us. we're going to squeeze in a very quick break are special breaking news coverage oj simpson's death at the age of 76 continues right after this debris hey parents has and wives, sky, i wish i could have done something differently. you can just make it better for those that follow space shuttle columbia, the final flight two part finale, sunday at nine on cnn, own a small business every second counts 120 seconds to add the finishing touches 900 seconds to arrange the displays. if you're short on time for marketing, cost and

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>> i'm paula reid in washington and this is cnn we're back with the britzky do is i'm wolf blitzer in washington, oj simpson, dead from prostate cancer at >> the age of 76 are special coverage. i continues right now. i want to bring in cnf sports correspondent caroline maddow to join us. sorry, carolyn, how is the nfl right now responding to the news? because all of us of course, remember when oj simpson was a star halfback for my buffalo bills, he was an all nfl, went down into the nfl hall of fame when he was in college, he was the heisman trophy winner at the university of southern california. how's the nfl today responding to the news that oj simpson has died well, wolf statement just came through from the pro football hall of fame and also the heisman trophy trust offering. their >> condolences and detailing some of what you mentioned. i mean, part of the reason why his acquittal captivated the country in the 90s is because

he was a sports hero and an icon. this from the pro football hall of fame, oj simpson was as the first player to reach a rushing. marc many thought could not be attained in a 14 game season when he taught 2000 yards and then the heisman trophy trust issuing a statement on twitter that said that their morning his passing as well, that they extend their sympathy to his family. but this is a man whose story wolf could be viewed as an american can tragedy because of his fall from grace that you've been outlining. i mean, this is a man whose father was a custodian and a cook. his mother was a nurse's aid and he rose through the ranks in the sports landscape, winning the heisman trophy, he became a superstar. and when he was drafted to the bills, it took him a couple of seasons to get going, but then and he became a pro bowler, he became a hall of famer, was able to successfully transition into a career after being such an incredible halfback where he became a sports commentator and actor, an icon, and a legend. and when you listen to people who really

know him are covered, the trial detail who he was, they describe him as such an affable person, a likable person, and that's part of the reason why to a lot of people were so shocked to go through this trial and to hear the details of his ultimate equivalent what happened afterwards because he was a larger than life figure he certainly was especially those of us who watched him in the nfl for the buffalo bills, for example, when he would get the ball, we would all just get so excited. just thinking about what he was about to do. any almost always did exactly that. take that ball and run for either a first down or in a touchdown. it was just an incredible experience. we all watching him play football for my buffalo bills. it was really an amazing moment. what goes through your mind as you think about today, as opposed to all of us growing up watching the trial, watching the car chase, watching what happened to him after he was acquitted of this double murder charge and then go on and eventually the

convicted of trying to steal some paraphernalia, some memorabilia from some folks in las vegas, oj simpson memorabilia >> well, i remember exactly where i was just like so many other people watching this trial unfold, just kind of in disbelief, but the word that keeps coming to my mind honestly, today it's tragedy and that has nuance and multiple layers. but i think about a man who desperately tried to climb his way back into public view after all of this and being disgraced by so many people because of what happened in 2019, he started another twitter account. he tried to get into the sports fantasy sort of talk that way, even talked a little bit of politics and then everything that he went through with issuing this book. i mean, there was a desperation in my point of view to try to get back to relevancy because of the pedestal that he had been put on for so many years as as a sports superstar. and so i think it's ultimately sadness

as for a lot of people who might be mourning his passing and really just an overarching sense of a tragedy when you look at the macro view of what his life ultimately turned out to be. >> your carillon stay with us. i'm going to get back to you. how you want to bring bring back cnn correspondent stephanie elam, right now and cnn legal analyst joey jackson, stephanie let me start with you right now. explained into west the temperature of los angeles when oj simpson's case actually began, what was it like? >> yeah, you can't understate how already there was a powder keg and los angeles at the time, if you want to go back to rodney king, which i know we've discussed a bit here, but you have to take that camcorder video that was sent to local station cages tla, that blew up and seeing this man being beat by those officers beaten by those officers was one part of it >> then >> came the acquittal of the officers and all four of them were acquitted of assault, three out of the forward could have of excessive force that led to the powder keg exploding in the la riots, he saw people

really upset feeling like they weren't being heard. they weren't being felt. then you fast forward because that was 92. then you fast forward to 94 when these heinous murders happen. and oj simpson, who was seen as somebody who could transcend race, he was super famous and popular and well-liked immediately, the tones changed and you can see that building up here in los angeles throughout the country as well. i remember i was just a news assistant at the time was my first job out of college and the reporter held me on the phone to tell her what the verdict was going to be. this one before cell phones. and so everyone was waiting to hear what was going to happen. but that palpable energy and looking how a divided people along race lines. and four, once here was a black man who was now seen as a black man again. and he was found not guilty. he was acquitted of these murders. there were a lot of people who saw that as justice, not necessarily for oj simpson sen. but that the

system actually worked for a black man for once. and all of this coming from a very tension filled decade of the 90s, and this coming at the end of it, you can't actually look at oj's case without looking at rodney king and without looking at the race riots that followed after it >> yeah. it was so, so powerful. >> what a moment. all of us who lived through it will never forget it. and joey, what do you remember most from that moment? >> you know, was it was a compelling moment. well, because it really was a trial that was so everyone was so riveted to and stephanie puts it in great context with respect to what was happening at the time. and to see how his dream team him that is oj simpson was able really to make this case so much greater than him. but to make it about the lapd, the historic really discrimination it was alleged that the lapd engaged in the flawed investigation so much

that they made this case about again, it goes back to the two victims that were here the families that suffered, and the tragedy that that represented to them. but with respect to the criminal justice system, you just remembered daily the coverage of every single bit of evidence and testimony we learned about dna he learned about how lawyers really can take something which seemingly was so open and shut. i think there was a feeling that okay. oj did it domestic violence, they'll introduce these tapes about his relationship with nicole brown simpson, et cetera and then the dream team just turned it and flipped it. so yes, while there's recognition that there was two deaths is also a system of 12 jurors that had to hear it. and those jurists concluded at hearing all the evidence and information, particularly how again, barry shack dna evidence, you have f lee bailey, you have alan dershowitz. not everyone could afford, obviously, that have the ability to do that. but just taken back to that moment

when they are announced the verdict, how it seemingly everyone in the country really looking at their tvs and work just stopped for that moment to see what did the jury conclude? now, obviously, people will fright have strong opinions with respect to whether the jury got it right. that's our system of justice. the jury acquitted. right. and that's verdict, obviously, that there s a civil case thereafter, difference standard of proof, different issues relating to monetary damages. t is jury, after hearing for months information as to whether or not was responsib for osdeaths concludedhat he was and then tt began the great debate as to wheer or not it was appropria, it was fair, was it unjust? and let's not forget so many other things that came out of it, right? the attorneys and how famous they became the fact that the news coverage changed as it related to these, these trials were riveted. we're about to engage in another trial as we know, on april 15th, involving the former president of the united

states we had other trials. casey anthony concerning her baby and whether she killed her baby. we had jodi areas concerning our boyfriend. it just changed the dynamic. i think it was a historical moment. final point will fund that is let's not forget, although he was acquitted, they're then comes 2007 and nevada and him, of course, getting convicted in connect action, as you mentioned, with the stealing of his own heisman trophy for armed robbery, he ends up doing nine years in jail and nevada, some people thinking that to be as a result of what happened here, we'll let that debate raged on and continue. but what historical moment, historical significance of oh, j. simpson being tried by the jury, being acquitted for the debts that many people have been used as to whether he again, is responsible, but the jury concluded he was not an system of justice. we respect jury verdicts and that's a jury verdict that obviously stood point out the fact that you've got to point out too,

that this also impacted the los angeles police department. and i've talked to police officers here over the years who point to what happened in the 90s as a reason to the way they had to change how they were policing. now, some may argue that they haven't changed enough, but you can definitely see that there was an inflection point. and the way that things were done before had to change because of the upheaval, the unrest, the unhappiness, and also just moving a court trial to a place that is much more white of her, something like this, things like this had to change and that's not the police department, obviously but still, you can't underestimate the ripple effect of this massive, massive cultural moment that was caused because of oj simpson trial. >> stephanie, i wonder if you could share with us in here. there and southern california, how does southern califo los angeles view? oh, j now, decades later? >> i think it's still a very split of view. i think at this point when you talk to people,

i think more and more people believe that oj simpson was guilty of killing nicole brown simpson, and ron goldman? i think more and more people do believe that i think there's still some people who question it based on the way it played out. but what you also have as a whole new series of angelinos who weren't alive when this happened. they don't remember it the way we do, how the whole world stopped for the slow speed chase, how the whole world stopped to find out what the verdict was going to be. i mean, if you look at seen in los angeles, there's basically the entire office moved downtown and just everyone reported to work downtown. i'm told during that time, it took over everything and so when you go to britain where the part of the neighborhood where he lived, it's not like you can go and visit these places anymore. things have been erased from the collective memory as far as a place to go to. but would you talk to people here? it is one of those things this is what everyone remembers where they were, what they were doing when this

happened because it did basically paralyze the city >> yeah. i remember every time i go to los angeles, even to these days, and i drive around, i go by brentwood. i immediately think about oj simpson then there's just always stays in my mind. i'm sure like so many other folks, indeed, everyone stay with us. we're going to take a very, very quick break. are breaking news coverage of oj simpson's death will continue right after this >> the sinking of the titanic. how would really happen, especially to our premiere sunday, april 28, did nine on cnn >> lag sunglasses brand new luck brand

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>> 21 at nine >> cnn breaking news >> i'm wolf blitzer in the cnn newsroom, we're following the breaking news. this our oj simpson has died at the age of 76 after a battle with prostate cancer his family announcing his death on x, formerly known as clear writing. and i'm quoting now, i'm april 10, our father are or anthony james simpson succumbed to his battle with cancer. he was surrounded by his children and grandchildren. during this time of transition, his family ask that you please respect their wishes just for privacy and grace cnn, stephanie elam as a closer look now at his life from a heisman trophy winning football player to an a torus felon oj simpson sort of fame as number 32 for the buffalo bills. >> i'm sorry >> and plummeted to infinity as inmate number one, zero to 70 in a 2-0 in the nevada department of corrections

in-between simpson lead a life filled with more surreal drama than all of his various film and tv projects. combined mass media experts say simpsons sensational, televised, low speed chase arrest and murder trial doesn't fit you must acquit stand as the first reality show. and perhaps the greatest three bring television phenomenon ever at one point, the world herc oj simpson's ex-wife, nicole brown simpson say, you don't want to stay on the line going to be then later, simpson was charged with horrific murders by knife of nicole and her friend ron goldman. >> ron and nicole work what shirt the trial made lawyers and even witnesses, household names are on file. james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder when the jury freed simpson, celebration erupted in parts of los angeles. but simpson would never recapture his idol status simpson