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tomorrow >> morrow's pilgrimage by the speaker of the house to see the former president. and their expected subject of discussion election security of all things fame for decades or the decades of notoriety, notoriety that followed starting here >> california highway patrol has now confirmed to cnn that it is definitely hours >> and they are almost certain that o.j. is in the passenger seat june 17, 1994, an estimated 95 million americans watch this in real time it was the ultimate drama on the biggest stage imaginable

involving a celebrity in a city of celebrities. now accused of two murders and make no mistake j simpson, celebrity went well beyond sports, whether it was winning the heisman trophy at usc or becoming the first nfl player to run for more than 2000 yards in a single season. he turned that fame into a commercial calling cards such that millions of people who'd never seen him play, watched him run through airports for hertz rent-a-car, and millions more tuned in every week to see any here i'm doing color and commentary on monday night football and if he wasn't on tv or in commercials on tv he was in the movies, none masterpieces, but most endearing. and all of it giving simpson the kind of appeal that trans sandi, racial tensions in los angeles and the country then. and which is why in june of 1994, so many people were so shocked when he was charged with the double murder of his

wife, nicole brown simpson, and her friend ron goldman. and why it should be set as plainly as we can and that many will neither miss nor more. orenthal james simpson. today, the sr and father of ron goldman, whom he was found civilly liable of killing along with his former wife, nicole, said this for three decades, we tirelessly pursued justice for ron and nicole and despite a civil judgment and his confession in if i did it, the hope for true accountability has ended if i did it, you may remember is the title of the bizarre accounts simpson wrote about those killings. the killings and the spectacle of the trial that followed our were seeing cnn's jean casarez starts it's off >> it is now 7:00 in los angeles. >> this was the most famous car chase in television history june 17, 1994, the los angeles police department announced

football legend o.j. simpson is wanted in the killings of his ex-wife, nicole brown brown simpson and her friend ron goldman, los angeles police department right now is actively searching for mr. simpson. >> mr. simpson is a fugitive of justice, right now. >> let me get to my house. okay. we're gonna do sweaty. i'll give you what i can do my whole body okay need to get to >> we're gonna do that. just throw the gun out the window, and o.j. simpson was now a fugitive from justice later that night, he was taken into custody and charged with two counts of first-degree murder. he was held without bail at his arraignment. he pleaded not guilty the televised trial of the century watched by millions, >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury. >> the prosecution lead by marcia clark and chris darden, lined up a slew of witnesses

like cato, kaitlyn, a longtime house guest simpson, and kaitlyn who became a household name, testified he saw o.j. simpson on his property the night of the murders and contradicted some of simpson's versions of events, >> i heard a thumping noise how, many sons did you hear >> yes. three >> nicole brown simpson, sister denise, took the stand, telling jurors how symptom abused nicole pictures of her bruised face shown in court. >> it was more of a like a glazed over kind of frightening, dark eyes it just didn't look like boj that we knew lead prosecutor marcia clark introduce dna evidence from blood samples collected by detective mark fuhrman and

others that pointed directly at simpson but it was a cross-examination of that evidence. and fuhrman by simpsons so-called legal dream team, including johnnie cochran and barry scheck that poked holes in the prosecution's case scheck question and lapd criminologist who can see that there were quote, procedural errors and how the blood samples were collected at simpson's brentwood home under cross-examination, defense attorney f. lee bailey accused detective fuhrman of racial bias and using racist language, something fuhrman denied. >> tell us please what it was you offered >> lawyers in that room about your vocabulary, detective, from today? >> would you answer? >> yes?

>> that i don't use any type of language to describe people of any race such as what is alleged tape recordings played in court proved otherwise damaging. the detectives credibility the goldman family who did not miss a day of court, lashed out at the defense ron and nicole >> what sherd, but it was this pivotal moment considered a huge miscalculation by the prosecution. chris darden asked simpson to put on the bloody glove, found at the scene resulting in cochrane saying the most famous sign of the trial and his closing >> if it doesn't fit, you must acquit >> after listening to more than eight months of testimony. this jury reached a verdict in less than four hours. >> we the jury and the unbaked in title action find the defendant or orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder herder fred and kim goldman were visibly distraught

in the courtroom >> justice was not served in the circus-like atmosphere outside court. the reaction much different. cheers erupting as the crowd reacted to the not guilty verdict o.j. simpson was a free man >> and >> following this acquittal, there was a troubled life for o.j. simpson. there was that civil case and there was a verdict in that civil verdict of wrongful death that the goldmans deserve justice four oj simpson moved to florida. there were some infractions with the law and then there were charges in the state of nevada very serious charges of kidnapping, an armed robbery. he was convicted, he was sentenced to 33 years in prison. he went to prison in nevada, served nine of those years, and then got out jim jean casarez. thanks so much for joining us now, jim murray,

who anchored hour after hour of simpson coverage for at any is currently chief correspondent for inside edition, also, jeffrey toobin in the courtroom for that not guilty verdict. he's written the definitive, bestselling book about the case, the run of his life the people of the o.j. simpson, also with us, laura coates, cnn chief legal analyst anchor of laura coates live, which airs tonight with a special edition at 11:00 eastern time. jeff, i want to begin with you you covered the o.j. simpson trial extensively. you were in that courtroom right behind goldman's family when that verdict was read. and i can only imagine that the moment seeing their reaction there, but i wonder a bigger picture. why in your view, was the public so fascinated with this case at the time from that bronco trace all the way through the verdict and beyond. it's still fascinated frankly to this day. >> well, let me give you, give you two reasons. one was this is a case that combined everything that obsessed the american people. it had sex race, hollywood violence

sports, and the only eyewitness was a dog. i mean, this was a perfect distillation of what interest americans second, it is worth remembering how different the news media was in those days. there was no hello internet, there was no social media. there was very limited cable tv. there was only cnn and court tv. no msnbc know fox news. so the fact that it was on every day, all de on cnn and court tv generated a tremendous amount of attention and it was incredibly interesting. it was a complicated story. i don't think it was a mysterious story. i think it is very clear. it was to me then and it certainly is to me now that o.j. was absolutely guilty of these two murders, but it was a fact it's an aiding story and there was nowhere else to go in the mid 90s. and that's where

people went >> yes, certainly the drama of a steep fall from grace as well. laura, do you believe a o.j. simpson's acquittal had more to do with that dream team of lawyers living up to that dream team, hype. hype or the prosecution making mr. missteps, as you know, they came under enormous public criticism or this mix of celebrity and race and how that factored into this. >> i think all of it plays into this, but also this is not happening in a vacuum. it's happening a few years after the savage beating of rodney king. it's happening where people are viewing the justice system really the legal systems driving to be adjusted the stem through the lens of race. they're looking at police officers and law enforcement that they do not trust. and the notion that there could be somebody to either plant evidence was not so far-fetched, to so many people. i think you're also looking at the idea of the composition of the jury, which tells you just how important the jury composition really is. how did the jurists feel? how do they think about the overall system and how did they trust the actual officers? and remember

this is a really interesting dynamic because over the course of modern american history, well, even not so modern, the idea of a race of the defendant being different than the race of the victims usually does not. an nar the benefit of black and brown people in this instance, it was so shocking so many that white victims at the hands of an alleged defendant who was black, would have an acquittal in the end was really something that was stunning to a lot of people but this is going to live its way in infamy for so many reasons, for all the thing you talked about for this being led by those famous lines by one johnnie cochran, a highly esteemed lawyer for the entire air dream team, but it's also why the notion of race became all the more nuance, because the average black or brown defendant who is facing the idea of law enforcement, it could not be trusted or the weight of race and beyond could not have afforded that particular dream team or that competition had they not been somebody like orenthal, james and ultimately, no one what's prison for these crimes? whoever whether you believe the acquittal or not,

no one there was no justice served. jim as jeff was noting there, this was pre-social media. it was pre iphones. it is bree people tweeting their reactions in the moment and yet millions of people around the world followed this case. they felt like as a lori describe to me earlier today, the 13th juror in this case, in many ways, you had a front row seat to this throughout. had you ever seen anything like it up to that point? and have you seen anything similar sense? >> none of us had it really was a shared experience and jeff is right, you have the merger of hollywood. you had race, you had celebrity, you had money. the different judicial systems for all of those and the only way you could keep up with this and it became this national obsession that was really in a way ushering in reality television. because this took the place of a soap opera. soap operas were basically taken off the air during the period that this trial was on because you

had a national soap opera that people were watching and it was a serious one with real life consequences and tonight when o.j. simpson has now passed away. i think it's important to remember the victims and their families because they are the ones who had justice denied. and i agree with jeff that if you look at the evidence in this case, it was overwhelming, but you had so many different things at play here in terms of race specifically, that allowed this jury to say not guilty and comfortable with it. so i don't think any of us will ever see anything like this again, because the audience now is so splintered. but this was truly a shared experience with some hundred and 4,050 million people watching that verdict live. you'll never see that again. this was rely the first major televised tria where people were having a bird's-eye view of erything that wasoing going on. andt was was and and it's important well, by the way, around the world, i should note, i was, i was in tokyo at the time i watched that slow speed car chase scene around thworld that they were international viewers to this

as well. sorry jeff, he had what i was just saying, you know, as important as the courtroom experience was for the public the even bigger legacy of this case is what happened on the day of the verdict, because everybody knew when the verdict was going to be announced and television stations all over the country had their cameras poised at audiences. and you had racially different audiences. you had large groups of black people fully, you had large groups of white people and you saw cheering on the largely black audiences and shock and har, in the white audiences end, it is rare in our experience. today. fortunately, it's rare that we see racial differences displayed in such a transparent way. as it was at that moment. >> and it was a real education. it was certainly an education for me about how the criminal justice experience system is experienced by black people and white people in this country. and the verdict and those

reactions was at a tremendous eye-opening experience laura, i was thinking earlier today as i watched bill clinton's comments on the verdict afterwards because he was acknowledging that the enormous divisions and he was noting >> in the 30 years since civil rights legislation, many blacks in this country feel that they haven't made as much progress as they might have hoped, acknowledging that and it struck me that was 30 years before it's been 30 years since then >> are >> those divisions as pronounced today, i think of the reaction to george floyd's killing and the black lives matter protests. that was a equally national experience. one might argue, are they as pronounced today? has there been progress, progress in some areas is not in others? what's your view? >> i think it's more clark to a variety of different ways, but i do certainly think that americans do you see the world through the different lenses from their own perspectives and race and forms that in a very distinct way for so many people. and when you look at strictly the justice system in

america, and the way in which the weight of the government is against an individual defendant we talk right now at the cusp of this extraordinarily serverless trial turning on monday about this idea of the piphus, suddenly they perhaps to tear justice system, that being political and in some respects. but this idea of the wealthy and the non wealthy. now the idea of race and otherwise, these have been issues we've been grappling with as a nation since the justice system was developed. and i think it's all the more informed today, but expanded because people have their own silos. they had their own echo chambers that reinforce how they already feel about an issue. but this showed that for a moment in time, everyone had the same worse ac test. the same ink blot, and it was never the same conclusion. >> yeah. the silo, the development of those silos probably one of the biggest since then and right that you don't have that shared experience or the one place you go to a to experience news as it happens laura coates, thanks so much. jeff toobin, as well. good to have you all on tonight. and so you 11:00 laura, for a special edition of

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3636. call now, i'm natasha bertrand at the pentagon this is cnn >> we spoke about this before the break, but it bears repeating the o.j. simpson chase happened at a place and a moment uniquely suited to make it unlike anything seen before or since, a place where news choppers were everywhere at a time when cell phones were just starting in a become pervasive during that chase simpson distraught, a gun to his head at times, spoke with lapd detective tom lange. and here's one key moment lete get to my house. okay. we're going toe i'll give you get em. we're ody

>> goingdo tt. just throw thgun outhe wiow >> 're >> n going to bodywe're gonna t you up there, just throw it out to window, plse. you scared everybody? toss it n, don't give it all up, you, don't hurt everybody. you're going to hurt everybody. >> i'm just going to leave unknown adult recent cold if all i'm doing listened to do think about everybody else. do you want a freeway? i could do it in a deal. i went if you will, that are grave. i want to do it at my end. now >> joining us now, jeremy shapp, who covered the case for espn, where he currently hosts eith 60 and outside the lines, jeremy good to have you on tonight. >> thank you, jim. thank you. >> great city is watching that video >> 30 years >> i was in la that day >> and i remember how surreal it was watching the chase as it was unfolding i gotten to la that morning didn't chicago for several days covering the story from chicago because

chicago is where o.j. simpson flu the night of the murders. >> he >> had a meeting with hertz executives and he was staying at the o'hare plaza hotel and so there was median chicago as investigators from los angeles came out to chicago to interview witnesses to collect evidence. and maybe it was the day before, two days before the chase. i don't remember jim at this point, >> but how >> strange it was to be standing in a field somewhere near o'hare airport with all of these police officers and forensic specialists looking for the murder weapon in the field. and then going out to la and of course, no one knew where he was for a period of several hours and then i walked into a bar in downtown la with a friend of mine and the chase was up on the tv those days were giant tvs everywhere is like, what is that? >> oh, it's

>> o.j. in that bronco. what i remember spending some time watching it and then walking the streets of la. and it was like something from the 1950s when people listened to the world series in their car radios people were pulled over with their car radios on listening to the chase it's in then the helicopters, the dozens of them that we're flying in the airspace and la that night following the chase, it was it was unbelievable. >> yeah. there's something old and new about it at the same time, right? old in the sense that you have the country experiencing at once what we so rarely do now, but new and that there were some technologies there were relatively new. the news choppers in the air cell phones and so on. i want to ask you this because o.j. what as what has become far more common today, right? a great athlete who was also a pitch man in movies, their own just

everywhere, omnipresent. but he was, if not the first one, he was certainly one of the first who had that national commercial and sports profile. >> oj simpson was ubiquitous and he was especially notable as one of the first african american athletes to make that kind of impact to be a pitch man for corporate america, he was the guy corporate america call to sell its products to pitch it services. and that's one of the ironies here to right gym because the trial of everything that happened over the course of the next 18 months, so much of it, of course, was that race and o.j. someone? throughout his adult life who had run in his own words away from the issue of rates who the phrase was often

used. you know that o.j. transcended rates as if that was possible, right? >> but but he was >> someone who was ubiquitous, who was beloved. there was this persona of approachability and friendliness and af, ability in today, i've been thinking about that. the difference, right? the difference between the public o.j. you, jane, we thought we knew in the reload >> no question. and it's hard to think of a bigger fall from grace certainly in the world of athletes, athletes, jeremy shapp thanks so much for joining thank you, jim. >> and just ahead with the arizona high court's abortion decision becoming a major campaign topic we're going to examine how some in the religious community had become alarmed at the former president's support of what's been called a christian nationalist movement on the right, we're gonna have the details now next

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republican party are donie and donie o'sullivan has that story your t-shirt says, jesus christ 24. >> yes. >> i see on the ballot, not on the ballot, but trump is so doggone close can you believe america is a christian country? >> we were founded on christianity circuit. >> i still believe it's a christian country. >> are you a christian? >> yes, yeah, man, i don't like what's going now. what we're trying to do to us >> what are they trying to do? >> well, to just trying to sign >> are christians under attack >> no >> america's founding fathers intentionally separated church and state. but trump and some of his most vocal supporters have tried to blur those lines. >> we are going to have one nation under god, which we must we have to have one nation under god and one religion under god. >> this vision of america is known as christian nationalism. >> i >> believe that america is a

christian nation and that christianity deserves a privileged place in the american government. what i'll here events is the founding fathers rechristened america was built off christian values y >> is jesus nor christianity mentioned in the constitution >> trump has seized on christian nationalism and is feeding into us from speeches >> we are a nation that is hostile to liberty freedom, fe, and even god to hawking $160 bible i, >> brad, you endorse and encourage you to get this bible, a bible that includes the us constitution and lyrics of a lee greenwood song >> how any christian can boat for a democrat christian or person of faith person of faith, how you can vote for a democrat is crazy. >> trump is stoking fears that christianity is under attack

and only he can save us. >> but no one will be touching the cross of christ under the trump administration to use christianity to control that. if you don't see christianity in christ, the way we see then you are not truly christian. and if you're not truly christian, then you are not truly american. >> america is a country that has christians are part of it. christian nationalism is not christian at all. >> pastors jackson jacobson, and shaw are part of a campaign here in milwaukee that is trying to fight back against christian nationalism. >> or >> why is christian nationalism and your view such a threat >> threat because its is exclusive. >> can you really with a straight face, look at life teachings, way and death of jesus and line that up with the correlates of christian nationalism, anti muslim, racist anti-immigrant. i mean, it just doesn't work.

>> polling shows americans differ on the role of christianity in governments. a minority would support the government declaring christianity the country's national religion. >> you can't have a multicultural democracy and have a privilege. religion doesn't work. >> do you think laws in this country governments should be based on christianity or is it just totally separate from alawieh should put christ back at to the contrary, creep and the contrary would grow a lot stronger. >> what does that look like? they'll put in christ back into the country, but god back into the church airport, god back into the white house. i was worried belongs 44% of americans say the bible should have at least some influence on us law. do you think >> is america a christian country >> i believed that growing up, i did. yeah. >> founded as a christian country. >> yes, it was founded as a christian country but obviously in the constitution there is that separation of church and state >> yes. what then there's also

always well, i went to public school if we were allowed to pray. >> when you say christianity is under attack in america, you're talking about in this not so much of the schools, but just i just can't come up with anything right now. but i think the biggest thing is i just don't trust you some of these fears are fueled by misinformation. >> and what the hell was biden thinking when he declared easter sunday to be visibility day >> international trends, gender visibility day takes place every year on march 31st. this year, easter sunday so happened to fall on that day >> i think more of christians are going to be discriminated against under bite or second what do you mean by that? >> by making >> yesterday, which was the

worldwide perished and celebration of the resurrection transgender day that was quite a slap in the face. >> i will just say that the days they've had, the trans awareness day on the same days the past few years that just happened that this year it fell on on easter sunday. >> thank you for correcting me. i appreciate that. so do you understand it better now >> okay. yeah, i do. god loves trance cancers and he wants them to contact them too. >> but not everyone is open to accepting facts some including church leaders, are pushing lies about the election >> des, the place right now, if you thought democrat, i don't even want you around his church, didn't get out you get out, you demon. you can get out your baby butchering an election thief you cannot be a christian invoked, give a cloudiness night shift. >> and that's as what worries these pastors. >> i think we are at risk of terrible violence increasing violence in this country. and that's the rhetoric that we're hearing a lot loud mouth, mega

pictures is leading us towards the possibility of no holds barred warfare, who we really do think that democracy is at stake in the selection and looked. jim, most of evil, pretty much everybody we spoke to at that trump rally they believed that christianity has a special place in american society, in american politics. but they were very much for freedom of religion. they don't necessarily get in the way of anybody else's as rights. but what you see in that piece there is that there's leaders in this movement that are trying to take advantage of people's christianity of their patriotism for the united states and weaponizes in this political way. and i can tell you, we spoke to lots of pastors across the country. >> they are really, >> really concerned about this look, trump's for rotation and appeal to evangelicals is nothing new but especially over

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>> yeah, that's right, jim. so i pulled by a senior trump adviser that they're going to use this as a political opportunity to draw attention to what they say are staying hey proposals and lawsuits that would ultimately allow noncitizens to vote in elections. now to be very clear there is a federal law that bans noncitizens since from voting in elections, this is not a common problem, but it has become somewhat of a rallying cry for republicans. donald trump isn't on this far to say that democrats want bond undocumented immigrants coming into the country because they think it will help them in the election in 2024. >> but did >> lau's republicans to link this idea? of elections, which has really become a pet issue for them to the very real and concerning issue to voters, issue of immigration using really fear tactics to say that these people are registering. again to vote so that they can impact the election. i do want to say there are a little bit of nuance here. we know that in some cities across the country they have allowed noncitizens to vote in non federal

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incorrect date on the envelope in ohio, georgia, and florida, the gop is defending restrictions genes on ballot drop boxes, even in new york, a blue bastion, republicans are challenging a major vote-by-mail expansion enacted last year. >> we want this to be the biggest, most proactive election integrity campaign ever. >> the lawsuits are partly >> to placate trump, who emerged from his 2020 defeat, refusing to accept here get lost and instead complaining he lacked the legal firepower needed to win election challenges to keep him in the white house. and while gop officials insist trump is coming around, the president has been very consistent lately, right? what he has said is that that we would like ultimately there to only be voting on a lake section day, but that's not the law. >> his harsh criticism has made it harder for battleground state republicans to catch up to democrats advantage with early voters. >> hi my name is tom petty, and i'm the chairman of the erie county republican can party. i'd like to talk to my fellow republicans about voting by

mail in ballot in swing county, erie, pennsylvania. eddie asked trump's team ahead of a local rally last summer to please have the candidate mentioned, he supports mail-in ballots. >> i went to the rally. i'm sitting behind him and he starts talking about voting and i thought, oh boy, here combs no such luck. i will fully secure our elections very importantly, and our goal will be one day voting with only paper ballots. >> i think donald trump's just says i accept mail-in ballots, especially here in pennsylvania and here in erie county. and that will turn them out of people welcome to say, okay, if he accepts it out, accepted >> listen i mean, it's amazing. watch, it's part of a continuing effort to undermine the results of the 20 undermine confidence in the results of the 2020 election, but have gop officials expressed frustration about the president's rhetoric on this. >> i think there is some frustration because they want to win. but when you also talk to these hochul gop officials to understand they don't love mail-in ballots either, but

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part of that convoy active shooting broke out in the area are car was hit by a few bullets were just got back and >> this clear bullet hit here another one here along the window and a few others >> this came ten days after seven aid workers with world central kitchen were killed in what israeli officials call a mistakenly targeted military strike aid agencies are reporting dire needs in gaza. and yesterday on capitol hill. so we have the power or america's top humanitarian official said, yes, when asked if famine was already occurring in gaza, unicef, tess ingram joins me now with more test. it's good to have you can you walk us through what exactly happened as i understand it, you are on a coordinated aid mission yesterday in northern gaza what happened next?

>> so as you say, it was a coordinated mission, we'd planned in advance. we have unrwa and unicef colleagues together trying to bring nutrition, supplies, medical supplies, and 10,000 liters of fuel for water points in the north of gaza we traveled north, we're heading towards the waze. what do you guys checkpoint >> when we're >> instructed to hold at a waiting area which is just south of the checkpoint. and this is a designated area where you un convoys often have to wait while we're there. gunfire breaks out in the vicinity it seemed to be coming from the direction of the checkpoint from the north. and it seemed to be aimed at civilians who were in the area who then turned and ran away from the checkpoint we were just to the west of them. we were three cars and two trucks and one of our cars, the car that i was in was hit by three bullets, two on my door, one on the window, and one of the door

and one on the hood of the car. so this is obviously an incident that should not be happening on a coordinated mission in a designated area where we have been instructed to wait let alone at all, jim i wonder in those circumstances, you coordinate in advance, so you're communicating with the idf. they know where you're going, why you're going there, you stay in the designated areas in the midst of this gunfire, did you have any ability to call the idf and say, hey, wait a second, we're caught in the middle of this the labor conroe convoy was an unwra vehicle and our security colleagues at the front there, i know that they were >> in contact with israel during this incident or in the wake of it? i'm not sure if they were able to do it immediately during the fire because it was so sudden and quite rapid has the idf reached out to provide it any explanation as to what happened

here are responded to your questions no. >> unicef and other parties in the un have reached out to the relevant israeli authorities. but we are yet to receive a response. and the response that we're really seeking, jim, is that this won't happen again, just seven, eight days after the world central kitchen incident to have something like this happen when the dialogue has been so much much about preventing incidents like this, especially on coordinated missions that's what we're after. >> i spoke to you last week just after that deadly strike on the world central kitchen convoy, i asked you if you trusted then the idf's pronouncements that it would keep aid convoys safe you told me then you didn't. and i wonder how you feel now, following this incident >> look, i think that it's clear that the system that is meant to protect humanitarian aid workers in the gaza strip is very broken and what we need

is that system to be repaired with urgency so that more incidents like this don't keep happening, not just to us but to civilians as well. >> has there been any changes in the last week because i spoke with senior idf officials as well in the wake of the world central kitchen attack, they said the changes were coming, right? they acknowledged responsibility. they said changes were coming. there's some discussion of putting this reflective tape on the vehicles of aid convoy boy, so it could easily spotted from the air. have you seen any measures like that taken >> i can't speak for the whole un or humanitarian community, but at unicef, no, we haven't seen a difference. we don't have that tape on our vehicles. we had this mission that was coordinated and we still ran into this day dangerous incident and extended delays that ultimately prevented us from completing the mission and taking these important life-saving supplies to the children that need them. know

when we haven't seen changed yet and it's really needed urgently to make sure that hopefully as more trucks come in, as has been promised, that we're able to distribute that because these two things really go hand in hand the delivery and the distribution >> no question. so before we go, you mentioned that aid. what happens to that? a will it get delivered? >> we're hoping so despite the incident, we're going to try again, hopefully this weekend, we're putting in another coordination requests because it's just too important to give up. we've got treatment that we know can help the malnourished children in the north of gaza. and we desperately want to get it up there we'll test thanks so much for your time for joining us. and as i said last time, we spoke, please keep yourself and your team as safe as you can. >> thanks, jim. >> the news continues right here on cnn >> i'll write next breaking