indiana fever select caitlin clark >> caitlin clark is the all-time leading scorer. of course, in the ncw, a division one basketball history, ticket prices to watch the fever in indy this season more than doubled after clark announced that she would enter the draft, it was obvious she was going to likely be the first number one pick and she spoke to core wire just beforehand >> i'm super excited. i know this always super special and i have lot of family coming. my coaches are coming. so on my teammates are coming so just getting to enjoy it. and so get in, i think is the biggest thing because like it once in a lifetime this only happens once also worth noting tonight, lsu's angel reese went six picks later as the chicago's sky. second pick thank you. all so much for joining us, congrats to both of them and everyone in the wnba draft tonight sit a nenews night with abby phillip starts right now

while you shouldn't >> sleep on what donald trump's trial is really about? that's tonight on these nine good evening. i'm abby phillip in new york in minutes, we will run you through a very busy day inside of the courthouse for donald trump, where his legal team, one where his legal team lost and the countdown to the countdown of that jury pool by the numbers and plus there is much, much more. but first the matter at the heart of this trump trial and why americans shouldn't look the other way about the very serious allegations that face donald trump. the headlines that you may have read this morning probably played on just a few words hush money, porn star, stormy and yes, the details of

trump's allegedly falsifying of business records do belong in places like the national enquirer >> but >> the deception is about much more than just $130,000 funneled to an adult film actress it is about who donald trump was trying to deceive. you. the voter, and how he's still trying to deceive you. now, think back to when prosecutors say that michael cohen made that payment to silence stormy daniels, that was october 27, 2016, just 12 days before that election and 20 days after the washington post published the access hollywood tape in which trump was caught on a hot mic explaining how he groped women. now that story prompted the rarest of things. trump apology, one that i, but it also prompted panic inside of his campaign. i pulled numbers like this. this was cnn's final poll just before the election, showing hillary clinton leading by six points and it prompted a

rush to catch and kill any other stories about trump's history of bad behavior with women before october, november 8, now, that kind of story could alienate suburban women who were revolted by a major party presidential candidate, talking about grabbing women by the, you know, what stories like an affair with adult film actress then the election happened and trump won and look, it is impossible to interpret how more evidence of trump's misogyny could have swayed the election >> but he >> made voters, the victims the affair story might have broken, but it might not have broken through with the few hundred thousand people who ultimately decide american elections the point is, trump cared enough to bury it, to bend and to break the rules to make sure it didn't get out. now whether that is a crime, whether he committed a crime, the jury is

out on that question or they will be. but whether trump has a pattern and practice of deception that verdict is very much in cnn's legal analyst, elie honig is joining me now from the magic wall, le jury selection it's it's just the beginning. we're nowhere even near the end of this process. where do we stand in terms of that, while we're just getting started, abby, eventful day today, but we started the process of narrowing down the 1.6 million residents of the island of manhattan down to our eventual jury of 12 jurors and six alternates. now, we started today, the judge called in a jury pool of 19 the six people, and the first thing he asked those 96 people is how many of you are so bias that you just cannot sit on this case and immediately over 50 of them, over half of that jury pool said on ada here, and the judge basically let them walk out the door now, a few others were dismissed because of personal or professional hardship. now, here's what happened. with the rest of those remaining jurors. first of all, they'll go

through the 42 questions on the questionnaire. they started that process today. here are the answers, then the attorneys will get to ask questions of those people and then we will get into the strikes, the ways we can get rid of some of these jurors. now, some of them will be removed by the judge for cause because the judge finds that there are two bias and they can't set on this case, the parties will be asking the judge to remove certain jurors. they don't like for cause. and then after that, the parties will each have these very valuable what we call peremptory challenges, meaning each party can remove ten jurors who they don't like for almost any reason, not for racial justice. discrimination or sex discrimination, but for almost any reason. so that's how the process is going to go. we're going to keep repeating it on. don't work down to that magic 12 plus six alternates. >> so wins and losses today for both sides in the courtroom. >> what >> does what transpired today mean for the prosecution and for the defense when it's all said and done so some important rulings by the judge for the for the evidence that can come

into this case. the joy say karen mcdougal, she can testify. that's a win for prosecutors because they want to show the jury this is a pattern. donald trump paid off several different women to keep them quiet. judge also said the jury can hear about trump's efforts to use the national enquirer to put in politically damaging stories about it. as enemies. again, it goes to that pattern. >> the judge >> ruled with respect to that access hollywood tape, you were talking about before the grabbed them tape that the jury's not going to get to see or hear that tape, but they're going to get to know what donald trump said in it. perhaps they'll see a transcript so they'll see it in a sort of dry form and then finally, the judge ruled that evidence about donald trump's deposition in the e jean carroll case cannot come in. that's a win. a minor win, but a win for donald trump >> one of the big question is looming over these proceedings now, and probably it will be for the duration of this trial is trump and whether or not he is violating a gag order. what happened today as it relates to that? >> well, he did violate the gag order last week. one of the rules isn't a gag orders. he cannot make public attacks on the witnesses. well, guess

what, donald trump did a few days ago, he posted calling michael cohen eight quote, sleazebags, capital s, capital b. i don't know why, cause i'm a total loser. >> this is a violation >> of the gag order. and so the the da went to the judge this morning and said, you have to do something, judge. now, what can the judge do? well, you can reprimand. you can say don't do that again, ordinarily, you don't want to get reprimanded by the judge. trump doesn't really care. >> the >> judge can impose fines. in fact, the da's office is asking the judge to find don't laugh. the da's office is asking the a judge to find donald trump $3,000 for all of his offensive. i don't think that's really going to deter donald trump ultimately, a judge has the power to send someone to prison. there's not realistically going to happen here with respect to donald trump. but this is going to be an ongoing battle as between the da and judge merchan trying to keep donald trump under some set of rules, some discipline this all up be happening for the next month or so luck it seems like it's already been a failure, so what what, what's the next step going to be? elie honig. thank you very much.

thanks for more on all of this. i'm going to bring in my expert panel of legal minds. we have former trump white house lawyer jim scholz, former federal prosecutor, jennifer rodgers, and former senior investigative counsel for the us house oversight committee chris. stay zach. so each of you, first of all, if i had known it was that easy to get out of jury duty. i would have just raised my hand and be like, i judge, i can't do it today. but what do you think really ultimately was the headline each of you, of today's proceedings? >> so i thought today the headline of today's proceeding was just that judge more sean is being impartial here, right? i think he is he's pick there's wins and losses on both sides seems to be an impartial judge making good decisions setting the stage for a fair trial. >> can you john? >> yeah. >> i honestly just wanted to take a step back and say it's historic that we're even here. i mean, the notion that we're in a place in our country with all of what's gone on over the past handful of years that we actually have a criminal trial against not only former president, but a presidential candidate. one of the most

powerful people in the nation and the world ahead of his party i think it's pretty remarkable that the court system and the criminal justice system has held up in this way. so i'm pretty pleased with that, honestly >> i >> think whether it's the biggest headline or not, i don't know, but the most interesting thing is that more than half of the jurors, as you mentioned, said, they can't be impartial. i actually think that's a good sign. i think it's progress because you would much rather have these jurors say now, i can't be partial than halfway through the trial or at the end of the trial. i think it's interesting, it's a little inside baseball, but i think that's sort of the the headline from today. >> it's really important actually, because it just also gives you maybe a little over 50% of the pool from today, couldn't do it. so we'll see how the rest of it goes they've got to find 12 people. but jim, judge byrd, can you brought him up and his demeanor he was being challenged on his ability to be fair by the defense he was not happy at a lot of junctures with donald trump's legal representation what do

you make of what that pretends for? he's these proceedings. >> a look, i think he showed today that he's going to be fair and impartial. like i said before, a lot of that air was taken out of the balloon today with some of the rulings that he made. so i do think interesting ruling, right? this whole idea of the underlying crime that they keep talking about in order to bolster this to a felony. is this but purported campaign finance violation or campaign finance law that was broken and in this case, you had michael cohen who had pled guilty to a campaign finance charge that that guilty plea is can come in, but they can't connect it to trump. and i think that was a key ruling by the judge in this case because that's what's really going to play out here? what was the underlying crime that they were trying to cover up by allegedly making these false business representations. calling balls and strikes. i mean, do you see it that way? i i also note trump's lawyers not necessarily the ones who

were in the courthouse today are still publicly my lining, judge merchant saying that he cannot be fair in this case. >> yeah. well, some of that is prospective, right. i mean, if this goes badly for him, they don't want to be out there having said that, fair, they want to be out there saying the whole thing is still a witch-hunt. so he is reputed to be very, very fair in the courtroom with his ruling, certainly in front of the jury as annoyed as he he may be with todd blanche in the legal team behind the scenes when the jury's not there, he would never let that show in front of the jury so that the jury isn't influenced by that in any way. so i think we can expect more of that fairness throughout the trial, which is of course, how a judge should be. >> some of these rulings about what the jury can and cannot hear about this. elie just worked through. do you think that where they ended up on some of those things is fair you know, can they hear about a trumping accused by other women of sexual misconduct and things like that. >> i agree with jim, jennifer, i think the judge showed fairness today. thank you. split it right down the middle i think some of the issue,

particularly with letting if he did let the jury here the actual recording, i think what the judge probably decided is if when it comes to that time and the trial, if that would be is it really going to be more probative to know that for the jury or is it going to be prejudicial to donald trump? so i think he i think he cut it right down the middle and i think it was fair >> what about this gag order? i read as i said, holly, looks like okay. there's a gag order. he's violated it. he will violate it. are you going to put them in jail, find them $3,000 or what? >> well, it was kinda funny. le said discipline and donald trump in the same sentence, which i thought was it's kind of comical, but i do think that he's going to continue to violate the gag order. the judge is going to continue to probably admonish him, maybe fine him. but again, you're not throwing the foreign present united states in jail over the tweets that he's or whatever whatever representations you make in the public domain. so i think that's something we're going to have to contend with through this trial. it's not gonna get any better. and i think you're going to continue to see the attacks, especially

as it relates to michael cohen. >> so one of the interesting things is that trump's lawyers said he would be a part of sidebars with in the process of questioning the jurors i don't even know what to say about that. can you imagine being one of the jurors who's there and donald trump, the former president, is staring you in the face, like, what does that gonna do to the jury pool? >> yeah. i've never seen it happen. i've seen a defendant up their sidebar. >> i thought that was >> very i think it's listen, i guess it's his right. we'll see how long he wants to go do that. i think it's intimidating. i think the jury's are going to be intimidated. i mean, he's so tall, imposing man. he gl hours at people. i think that they're going to be intimidated and i think the judge is going to keep a careful eye on what's happening up there. and if he actually sees trump trying to intimidate people, glaring at them and so on. he might make them take a step back. you may make them go back to the table. we'll see what happens that is, that will be quite the

thing to behold, although we are not necessarily seeing inside the courthouse. last thing trump on the witness stand. this is something that's going to be discussed. you think it's likely that he testified, so i'm going to happen. >> it's not going to happen. he says he wants to and it is always ultimately, it's the client's choice but i think he didn't do in the previous trials and he could have he's not gonna do it here. and i think you'd even run the risk. maybe jim would know better but i think he would even run the risk of having the lawyers not want to represent me anymore if he insisted to on testify, one of his lawyers in the last hour said he would be a very compelling witness. so that's >> actually true >> best way your felon >> maybe not in the way that they that they hope. jim, jennifer, and chris. thank you all very much. and up next, the optics of trump appearing to fall asleep in court especially when sleepy joe is one of his favorite attacks against joe biden plot us a right-wing host is openly now telling trump's supporters to infiltrate the

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sleepy joe biden, but i like crooked joe just the other day in georgia 3,600 votes that would duplicate it so that you had doubled votes almost all of them were for sleepy joe biden, right? >> the head of the pipeline >> union, endorsed sleepy joe biden >> sleepy joe. it's an aim donald trump frequently uses to attack president biden. would just kind of ironic considering the trump today appeared to fall asleep in court that was according to reporters who were in the room for more on this, i want to bring in republican strategist and political commentator joe pena. and along with cnn political analyst, and national political reporter for the new york times, instead, herndon, joe falling asleep in the courthouse. first of all, this is a very serious thing that he is facing to fall asleep in the courthouse when he's running against somebody who he wants the country do think is sleepy, is not good for his, for his reelection slogan, i would make the argument anyone fallen asleep in the courthouse is not necessarily a good thing. but i

think many people have those off in court particularly when the proceedings leave you a little bit underwhelmed and jury selection certainly people now, it's probably asleep matter. i think though if you're comparing president trump dozing off in court to joe biden, stumbling up the stairs, tumbling down off of a bicycle. i think it is there's a comparison that strains credulity a little bit. >> i mean, if joe biden had fallen asleep, anywhere, which look, he's been falsely accused of fallen asleep. first of all. and if he had fallen asleep and courthouse, that would be a huge scandal and conservative perception is reality certainly par for the course if the tide had been reversed i think republicans would have been screaming, but what we're really talking about is do the american people believed joe biden is up for the job? do they believe donald trump is up for the job? and i think that if you are of the opinion that this instance of president trump dozing means that he is not fit to hold office, then you should probably be trying to bring up jill biden and the

entire dnc for elder abuse. so that's just the way i look at it. i think it's the way many americans look at it. and i think it's why democrats go out of their way. you try to de-emphasize the perception that joe biden is quite literally not up to the job. >> this isn't about joe biden. i mean, donald trump in this trial is making a physical embodiment of the mockery he's made a legal process the whole way. he's done this throughout but the investigation, who've done this in the trial now, he made a mockery out of the political processes. candidate has made a mockery out of norms while president and so i think that's continues on with the trend that we have seen of donald trump. frankly, taking little beyond himself very seriously, but i don't think this makes it neutralizes the age issue for joe biden even if the version of joe biden that conservatives have been trying to push, particularly on social media, particularly the falling off the stage, falling off the bike. is more of a character church than the real reality. when we look at the numbers, joe biden's numbers went up after the state of union. that's partially because he showed a different version of himself. and i think a lot of

folks have presented. and if we see that version of joe biden, i think some of those age questions go away. so they persist though around donald trump. if he's going to be falling asleep across the kid's going to be in court a lot over the next while joe biden, he is probably going to be on the campaign trail more than trump because trump has to be in court and that alone is going to be a huge drag on his campaign. pain when do you think this really ultimately kicks off? i mean, is it the conventions yeah. >> i don't >> think we should making the distinction between the campaign trail and the court for donald trump. yeah, they will be the same thing and he will and a lot of ways tried to run from the courthouse if he is if he's tied up there over the next several months, but you think that your point is here's a good one when we think about why the reasons why the public has been disengaged in this race, i think partially it's because it hasn't felt like it started. it's been tied up in the primary that didn't feel real legal proceedings that seemed kind of confusing. you're kind of traditional campaign trail hasn't really developed yet. now, joe biden is on the road more than we have seen him to

previously. but i think you're right. that we we're going to see the most interest in this race, probably post convention when they are both out there. but don't act like donald trump is not on the campaign trail when he's sitting in that courthouse, he's going to try to bring the campaign trail to that courthouse. >> i think presence has certainly been on the >> trail quite often. our the issue is will the mediatic cover it? and when they do cover, what were they say about it? i think also, yes, he doesn't feel real because the democratic party, nguyen out of their way to quite literally shut down the primary process. they basically told the people of new hampshire, thanks, but no thanks. your wine tasting of the electorate days are over. it told the people in florida that their input was no longer welcome. they basically ran rfk out of the party, even though his last name is stitched into the actual dna of the democratic party. so yes, i believe that the american people are tuned out in large part because they have been locked out of the process by decisions that have been made by people that once you make this about whether trump is snoozing and court and not about what are the economy is working for the people on main

street. the border issue that is great deal of concern and the tinderbox in the middle east that is threatening to be the staging ground for the world war three. we hope this never comes to. i want to >> raise one bizarre thing. i guess that happened today on social media, right wing host clay travis, he posted on x today well, this is what he said. if you're trump supporter in new york city who was a part of the jury pool, do everything you can to get seated on the jury and then refuse to convict. as a matter of principle, dooming the case via hung jury. it's the most patriotic thing you, could do >> it speaks to the perversion of patriotism. let's come from some of those. and that weighing the most patriot i think you can do is to do your duty as a jury. and i think actually we're going to see this trial be manipulated by right, left, and the way that you see there, i can speak to the legal questions of tampering, but it does show kind of how this is going to be a litmus test for a lot of people's relationship to politics, to burson and trump himself. and you're going to have that conservative wing really tried to push people to

see it as a time to rally around the president and defend him. the happened in the primaries part of the reason he became the nominee and will happen again as these trials develop. >> meanwhile, i mean, trump has been arguing that the jury is you know that it's going to be unfair to him. but here's his supporter actually trying to encourage people to, i guess essentially lie and get on the jury will look first and foremost, you it's not the first person to ever argue for a jury nullification that being said, i think that if we're going to be upholding the institutions, namely our courts and the system of justice. we shouldn't be telling people to go in there with them mindmed everybody going through those doors should be going there with an open mind to hear the facts and arrive at a just conclusion. but i think ultimately this is an issue that deals with the division in our politics where so many people view president trump with their mind already made up across the board, 50 people today, basically saying they had the inability to be fair. so i think in the broader sense thing say it was a bad thing, but i'm saying it is illustrating a real reality that we have to acknowledge. and i think ultimately we should be encouraging people to

engage in the political process, whether you're outnumbered republican in new york city, or whether you're outnumbered democrat in philadelphia, mississippi, if you are unhappy with the outcomes that the incident the to centers that are designed to protect the willed, the american people are arriving that you can't run from that letter in the mail, you have to show up. yeah. i think was a poor choice of words, but i think again, it is illustrating in some ways the frustration that is in many ways across the bloc >> it's more than a poor choice of words. it also would be a felony to encourage people to lie, to get on a jury i would agree that again, you cannot be telling people to willfully go into a courtroom and break the law even if it benefits you politically. and i stand by that irrespective of it, and i don't even think that helps trump frankly, i think it's it's kind of a silly thing, but joe opinion instead, herndon. thank you both very much. and breaking news tonight out of israel, which is now vowing to punish iran for those retaliatory strikes over the weekend. we'll talk about their options. plus, was iran's military in that with its

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this. the options available to israel at this point, what do you think that they are considering and weighing and is one of them too? not do anything at all? do you think well, actually, i've a yes that is definitely a possibility, but let's take a look at basically, we've characterized these as basically three types of response. one is small and the other is medium, and the other one, the last one is a large type of response. so a small response could mean a discrete use of cyber attacks or commando grades or something like that medium response. cyber attacks may be with weapons like an attack on a city or on an installation. more likely they would go after the israelis. would go after military installations. and then if you have a large response it would include basically everything plus more conventional things. bombing runs against certain big military installations basis for example, you could have the attack, some of the naval installations that are on the coast here. you could attack some of the airfields that are in these parts of iran so

there's several things, several options the israelis have, but each one of these levels has different consequences associated with it. and that's what the israelis have to consider >> one of the interesting things about the attacks from around this weekend is just how effective a lot of what they were lobbing at israel was not just that they were shot down, but some of them were complete mrs.. well, that's >> actually quite interesting because one of the things that you have is really a high failure rate according to some reports that failure rate is somewhere around 50%. if that's the case, then really there's that sounds bad, but is that from a military perspective as a bismol as it seems 50%, that's a huge failure rate because what that means is if you're sending not 350 weapons are various types into the air against israel you only have about 170 or so reach their targets. is that means that a lot of the things that are going on are not really in

concert with your planning and your planning is done in a way that really doesn't normally allow for such a high failure rate they didn't reach intended target gets. and there were probably also command and control failures as well. the iranians like to show themselves as being really tough guys. the problem is if you have a failure rate that is very high and you don't reach all the targets, then you have a real problem. and one of the things that on the other hand though that they did do was they were able to reach this airbase it's right here. and they were able to actually damage a runway there that never team airbase has three squadrons of f35 fighters, which is the most modern fighter that is in the israeli inventory. so that is significant. so the question then is, is this going to be a deliberate, was this deliberate attack? get were targeted attack or was that they just get lucky, just got lucky. i mean, iran basically show its hand a bit in terms of what they're military force could really do. >> yes, in some ways, i think it did now, the one thing we

have to keep in mind, abby, is that the arena's have a lot more missiles and drones where those came from so they have a lot in terms of volume and in the capability to manufacture some of these weapons systems. but they don't have a limitless supply and they will definitely be taxed if they ever get into a significant conflict with israel and other nations in the region and even countries like the us, which are outside of the region i think it's almost a bit of a paper tiger type of situation here that we all the world saw this weekend, kernel, cedric leighton, thank you. as always and more on this breaking news front tonight, this time out of washington, we are getting worried that the republican speaker will split up bills to israel and ukraine as he faces backlash from within his own caucus. i'll speak with one of the hardliners who has been speaking out against some of that aid standby for that the lead with jake tapper tomorrow at four and cnn when you're the

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>> 2024 stanley cup play with 20 as uprising move tonight on capitol hill >> as pressure intensifies in the wake of iran's attacks on israel, house speaker mike johnson, revealing a new plan to vote on separate aid packages for israel ukraine, and taiwan and other foreign policy proposals he's now facing steep opposition from within his own party, including it's far right wing over how and whether to fund these key allies abroad, including a number of republicans who are against more money to ukraine. among them is my next guest, joining me now is republican congressman warren davidson. of ohio. he's a member of the house foreign affairs committee, as well as the house

freedom caucus. congressman, we appreciate you staying up late for us tonight are you in the rest of the freedom caucus onboard with speakers current plan? >> well, i certainly can't speak for anyone else freedom caucus, or anyone else in the conference. but i i really am a big fan of the idea of regular order single-subject bills subject to amendment. and i think that's where the speakers landed. i mean, the situation in ukraine is different than this situation in israel. frankly, it's different than the situation in the pacific. and lastly, what i hear from my constituents is what about americans and they want something at the border. so the way this fall short frankly, is the speaker has a plan to do something about america, but it really isn't what our constituents around the country are talking about. they're talking about securing the border. but i am glad that he has a plan to give us four separate votes and it might take a fifth so we can deal with the real national security threat that's top of mind for american citizens. were supportive for ukraine. we feel like they were wrongly attacked by by vladimir putin and

russia. but were incredibly supportive of israel, one of america's closest friends. and we see the danger in the pacific. so we should have each of those debates and frankly, they should be subject to amendment >> a question for you just a couple of details here. if those bills were to be combined before it went over to the senate, would you be fine with that? >> now? that's a fake process. i mean, you should vote on them separately >> so that would be a red line for you personally >> well, i think it's gonna be a problem. i mean, and look, that's the thing the speaker is trying to navigate. there are people that want everything to come over all together. and frankly, the great thing about this plan is, is at least let you be recorded on the individual components. but at the end of the day, combining them together, is that going to require an extra vote and how does that pass? and look, israel's tough. i know democrats don't want to vote on that as a standalone issue. the reality is israel divides democrats right now it used to be probably the most bipartisan thing is america stands with

israel. but that's a touchy subject for a lot of my democratic colleagues. >> it is similar to how on the question of ukraine that has divided your conference. i heard you say earlier something about being supportive of ukraine because they were unfairly attacked, would you support at this point at that that vote to send aid to ukraine in that fight against russia? >> no, i've had the same question since the very first vote when i think i'm one of ten people that never voted for anything to give to ukraine. and it's because not something that ukraine i can't do. look the lotto mirrors zelenskyy was inspiring when he said, i don't need a ride out, i need ammunition. i mean, he's rallied his country in the world to his cause, but the us state department is conflicted. i mean, they've got victoria newland saying that the mission is regime change in russia with war crimes tribunals for vladimir putin, that's so bored three, and look when they say something vacuous, like as much as it takes as long as it takes that passes for a lot of people, but it doesn't answer in order to do what and if

that's to extract all the russians from ukraine, ukraine doesn't have the combat power to do that. no matter how much money we send them, they need allies to come in on the ground and the sea in the air to be able to extract russia from ukraine. that's a bigger war. and so we have to have a limiting factor that the administration is not willing to concede. >> are you suggesting that the conflict in ukraine is a lost cause and that is why you oppose sending more money for ammunition and the like to ukraine. >> no, no, i wouldn't call it a lost cause. i think volodymyr zelenskyy wasn't given a chance. i mean, they told you a lot of the intelligence said that they would have their whole country collapsed within days i mean, people were offering him a ride out and he turned in pfad. i mean, look, they've been heroic and inspirational, but i think they've been deceived and look, i understand if my country was under attack, my mission would be to extract everyone that shouldn't be here out of my country. and a lot of ways my country is being invaded today, more passively,

more peacefully, but it's still being invaded aided and we want to secure our borders, but i'm sorry to interrupt you. i just want to understand your position because i'm hearing you suggest that ukraine's fight is valid, that they should push back against russia. but you're also at the same time unwilling to provide them with what they need to be able to do that right now, the warning that is out there from members of this administration, from people in the military. is that if this doesn't come right now, the momentum will be lost. are you concerned that this is that kind of pivotal moment? and you and your colleagues are not willing to do what is necessary to allow ukraine to maintain an upper hand look, you can be sympathetic to ukraine without saying that it's our war to fight or our war to fund. ukraine is not a member and nato and that is a big part of what to be on their own at this point. >> i think they should be independent and i think what we've done for them as give them a path to negotiate a peace. but the administration

has worked at odds with that. i mean, frankly, gerhard schroder in germany is pointed out that the biden administration scuttled the efforts to try to negotiate a peace. they could have saved hundreds of thousands of casualties on both sides. frankly, this war was entirely avoidable, but the biden administration, frankly failed in every way possible. >> and so did putin at this moment the force standing in the way of helping ukraine is you and your colleagues sounds like you're just not interested in in doing that and you're fine with russia steamrolling over ukraine. is that correct? no. >> i mean, that's a dishonest characterization. i understand why you're making it, and that's fine. i've had this position fission the entire two years that the war has gone on. and i'm not going to change it. the administration is still won't define the mission and just because ukraine, once a mission doesn't mean that that's an america's national interests. the reality is the only way to extract the russian troops out of ukraine is to

expand the war. and i do not think that that's in the united states best interest. it is in the interest of russia to have a long war. and frankly, you know, who's benefiting from this is china. china would love for us to be bogged down for another 20 years and an ill-defined war. the administration who got us into afghanistan in 2004, set as much as it takes as long as it takes. and we didn't get out of there until biden's botched failure on august 31st to 2021 and on september 1 of 2021 the biden administration entered into a strategic partnership agreement to support ukraine's admission, not just to nato, but it into the european union. so everything from them was an escalation that i frank, frankly was designed to result in conflict and they continue to escalate today and to do everything possible. it's able to scuttle any effort towards peace. all right >> this is an escalation of the war, not a path to peaceful resolution. >> congressman warren davidson, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you >> adjust in some arrest tonight after a pro-palestinian

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have been essentially shut down by pro-palestinian protesters and tonight, authorities are arresting demonstrators after they deployed to block major roadways in those american cities, including chaining themselves 2505 gallon drums. this is all coming as israel is weighing retaliation against iran. joining me now is rena nine and veteran foreign affairs correspondent, and also with us, my say, alina jad she is a journalist and an activist. and as we were discussing just now, bravely survived an assassination attempt. arena. i do want to start with you though. what are you hearing tonight about what is being weighed inside of israel? the scope, the probability that this will be a response. now, we're in the zone of a for tat that is that broader war we could potentially actually have been warning about for months >> the white house is publicly and very privately trying to warn israel, take the w on the scoreboard. there were no fatalities, very minimal damage

after the attacks on saturday. take that when and use strategic patients and waited out. the israelis are now weighing under netanyahu that it's not strategic patience, its deterrence. you want to use disproportional force to show and send a message to iran that are people in the millions can be cowering overnight and waiting for these rockets and missiles to hit us and i think it's the white house just a few minutes ago this evening, we saw defense secretary austin come out saying we're working together on this, that we want to make sure their stability in the region, and that is the word that you keep hearing out of washington is stability. >> yeah. and my see, the inside of iran. first of all what was the purpose of this counter attack on israel, especially since they probably knew that it was not going to be that successful. you've got the united states, the uk, even jordan shooting down some of these missiles is stronger, believed that there's omega public had four goals. first,

they wanted actually to make a show like a face-saving show, to actually show their own support workers, their own proxies, hamas hizballah islamic jihadi, that we have your back. second goal was sending a message to the israeli that no longer the proxy is going to fight against you. this is the end of proxy war. islamic republic is going to get more involved yes, because they really want to get in a direct conflict with the islamic republic >> nature is all about war and creating chaos and mayhem instability in the region. and let me tell you another signal was just sending to the us government that the president biden said don't but they say, we did and we will. so at the end, i have to say that the islamic republic, the evil regime, actually, uh, trying to send a message to the rest of the world that we want to

actually attack israel. we want to destroy us, right? and next is america. this is the goal because they're fundamental belief, given all of that, i mean, it would israel walking into something of a trap if allowed iran to escalate this into something bigger >> i think that's the biggest concern that the us has. i think to understand the situation right now, you almost have to head to the women's basketball court. the og basketball at dawn staley, who once said, when you succeed, people notice, but they don't see what it takes to get there and what it took to get there on saturday night that deterrence, the fact that nobody died was a testament of decades of partnership with the pentagon developing with israel lee military, developing the capabilities for this exact moment that many people feared would never come, but that they need to be prepared for >> and jordan's foreign minister acknowledged that, as i mentioned, jordan participated at two degree they

described it as shooting down things in their airspace. they said it's a long-held policy, but they also said that netanyahu is trying to use this confrontation with iran to distract from gaza >> i mean, i have to say that the republic made tactical mistake here because before that, the whole war was talking about gaza and now gaza has been forgotten that actually shows you that this omega public really don't care about the life of palestinian are all the same way that they don't care about the life of their own people. so i believe that this is the islamic republic using palestinians as a human chill. actually, they want to create instability in the region and and for them doesn't matter. they want to use palestinian as well. >> that's such an interesting point. i mean, if this was really about stopping israel's actions in gaza, they certainly failed. >> oh, it was not in that case and i think one of the biggest calculus is that netanyahu has to make right now, is if he

goes too many steps further, the negative, the bad, i guess, goodwill that he had, the bad energy that had been focused on him on the gaza war, turned around overnight. there was a coalition of goodwill air partners that we haven't seen publicly say, yes, we helped out and even in iraq, people who didn't help out, they could have shot down us weapons and all sorts of things over israel, um, excuse me, over a rock. they didn't do that. they allowed the us to pass through. that also says something. you're seeing these allies and netanyahu has to make a calculus at this point as to whether or not he potentially loses that goodwill. >> do you think it's true that if if israel does decide to move forward, regardless of what happens despite all the public riffs over gaza, the united states has to be there of course, the united states does not in any way want this to escalate, but you better believe tonight they're preparing for an escalation if that were to happen, plans will be in place.

>> and my say i did ask our general earlier about the paper tiger that seems to be the iranian regime they're not very good at this. so why show the world the failure rate of 50% >> you know, i don't know how you define being a strong, but i have to say, is limited to public, isn't a real threats on october 7 de show that how they can violent using rape as a weapon of war. >> so in my >> proxy, exactly through the proccess, they're using different properties everywhere to create chaos. so i have to say that this should be a tipping point for democratic countries to do something. because the ultimate solution for ending war is to end islamic public. this is what the iranian people want regime change, whether the the rest of the war want to use this or not. but this is the ultimate solution. >> we'll see. so much that can