goal. get you the biggest match up any ira on the market >> i'm zachary cohen in washington and this is cnn a new mexico judge has just sentenced the armor for the film rust to 18 months in prison. the maximum possible punishment, hannah guttierez reed was responsible for firearms, safety on the movie set where cinematographer, halyna hutchins was killed by a prop gun held by the actor alec baldwin. baldwin has also been charged with involuntary manslaughter for the shooting. he's expected to stand trial in july and has pleaded not guilty. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. thanks very much for watching the news continues next on cnn good evening from tel aviv, which is now bracing for what comes next. if israel's armed forces already at war on a number of

fronts launched this countries answer to saturday's large-scale, but mostly thwarted drone and missile attack by iran the first time iran has directly struck israel from its own soil, want of two highly significant and potentially history changing stories that we are following in the hour ahead israel's war cabinet senior her yesterday met again today, reviewing plans for a potential counter-strike. the leadership here, vowing to quote, exact a price for what iran did, which in turn was a wrong response for what's believed to be though he israeli strike that. killed to iranian generals and syria. what shape the israeli response takes? the timing of it and neurons reaction to it it could transform an already dangerous confrontation to something even harder to contain. just a short time ago, ron's deputy foreign minister warned that his country will respond in just seconds if israel, in his words, makes it another mistake. also tie back in new york, american history being made, jury selection begins for the first criminal trial ever of a former president. the first of four criminal trials, as you know,

for this former president, perhaps the only ones happened before election day. so as you might have imagined, our focus over the hour ahead is divided for two good reasons. we, as we closely monitor any moves from israel, we begin right now at the moment meant to stay in the case against the former president and cnn's kara scannell >> so >> or nothing like this has ever happened before, is never been anything like it. >> donald trump speaking out on a day that saw 96 potential jurors pass through magnetometers to enter the courtroom with trump from they were sworn in and questioning began a few minutes later, at least 50 perspective jurors were excused because they told the judge they could not be fair and impartial of those who remained three question by the judge listed the new york times and cnn as their sources of news none said they had read any books by michael cohen or trump and none of them said they worked or volunteered for any pro trump or anti-trump groups. just nine members of

today's jury pool. were questioned and not dismissed by the time court adjourned. trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. the manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg says the former president attempted to cover up payments made to adult film actress stormy daniels just before the 2016 election, trying to stop her from speaking out about the alleged affair with trump judge juan merchan started the day by denying a motion from trump's lawyers to recuse himself as attorneys debated, judge juan merchan said he would not allow the infamous access hollywood tape to be shown or video of trump's deposition in the e jean carroll lawsuit that found him liable for defamation karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump in 2006 and was paid $150,000 to keep quiet about it. will be allowed to testify. attorneys also argued about how much the jury can be told about michael cohen's crimes i did it at the direction of in concert with and for the benefit of donald j. trump, the credibility of

trump's former fixer who admitted he orchestrated the hush money payment to stormy daniels will be one of the most bad over elements of the case. trump for his part, entered very few words into the court record he could sometimes be seen leaning back in his chair with his arms folded and his eyes appeared to be closed for several minutes. when he was introduced as the defendant, trump turned around and gave the potential jurors a tight-lipped smirk. once jury selection began, trump is active at times conferring with his lawyer and holding the questionnaire up to read as a judge question jurors prosecutors also ask the judge to fine trump for social media posts attacking witnesses involved in the case, saying he violated a gag order the judge scheduled a hearing for next week to settle that matter. the trial is expected to last six to eight weeks. it may the only case against trump to face a jury before the 2024 election, the presumptive republican nominee, complaining about the judge as he walked out of the courtroom. >> joking, of course, is not

allow us is a great conflicted and his doctorate or allow us to go to that. he won't allow me to leave here for a hat-trick. they go dc and go before in the united states supreme court because he takes the superior care. >> what i did tomorrow in court so today the question those nine jurors, including an oncology nurse and a bookseller tomorrow the judge will >> continue this question and going through those as 42 questions on the questionnaire until they have a large enough mass of that eid beat the attorneys, then begin to ask these jurors questions, all ultimately with the goal of getting 12 jurors and six alternates. anderson >> kara scannell. >> thanks so much or anything else? kaitlan collins, toast to the source, coming up at 9:00 at the top of the hour. also bestselling author and former federal prosecutor, jeffrey toobin and richard gabriel, jury consultant and author of acquittal and insider, reveals stories and strategies bind today's most from this vertex. so jeff, as qarrah was just

reporting out of 96 potential jurors say more than half were dismissed because they said they couldn't be impartial. only nine got through the questionnaire. i mean, is this how you expected things to go? >> it's actually good progress. journalists, we have we tend to think that everyone out there in the real-world potential jurors are following these stories closely the way we are in they're not, we are certainly going to get a jury here this process is underway. i've covered all these high-profile trials. we always think, oh, everybody is made up their mind. they haven't made up their mind. people are living their lives. they are going to they are going to be questioned by the lawyers, questioned by the judge a group of 12 jurors and six alternates will say they can be pair fair. >> and this >> trial will proceed. this trial is now underway. >> caitlin, what are you hearing from trump world tonight about how they think the first day, when i mean, their season on a few things,

anderson that happened at the end of the trial, two things in particular, one that needs a fact check, which is that the question of what the schedule of this trial is going to look like. one thing that the trump team had raised was his danns upcoming graduation. the judge was essentially saying, i can't make a decision on that right now, something that's happening in may, that's a decision will have to make going forward. that is one thing that you've seen the trump team really seize on saying that repeatedly as they've been going after this judge and criticizing him given he started today's hearing by saying, i'm not going to recuse myself that's second request that he had gotten from the trump legal team to do so. and the really the one thing that they are focused on is what's going to happen once the questioning of these jurors gets underway beyond what we saw today, we're just a few of them actually had the questionnaire read. most of them were left the room over half of that initial pool of 96 people because they said they could not be fair or impartial. and that is when the argument that you've been hearing from the trump team complaining that they don't believe they can get a fair jury here. but of course they are going to be

ultimately trying to whittle this down to 12 people in a few alternatives that they believe will be helpful to them because all i need is one anderson here to essentially not agree with the prosecution richard. >> we heard from geoff who said that there will be a jury and that this is the process i'm wondering what you make of progress that was made today the volume of potential jurors have already been dismissed well, it's actually a good thing. i mean, the truth is that you're looking for candid responses from jars and oftentimes when i'm doing jury selections in court, so it's really like pulling teeth, really pull stuff on a jurors to get them to tell you how you really feel. so obviously, don't. trump is one of the most, probably the most high-profile defendant ever go to trial. people are going to have some pretty strong opinions about him. so half the people saying, i've got strong opinions about this is a good thing because those people have self identified as not being impartial and that's what you need and a trial like this. so i think as jeff said this is

actually progress being made. it might be slow but it is progress. >> and what what judge merchan did was interesting and somewhat different from the way other judges operate. other judges sometimes ask don't let people excuse themselves by saying they, they have strong feelings he, he's just letting everyone go. he does he has enough of a pool. he has hundreds of people waiting. he is not going to quarrel with people who say they can't be fair >> that's good. that means this process will move along 40 people making it through essentially half a day because the the morning was personally taken up with legal arguments. this is good progress. i mean, they are going to have a jury in a week or two here >> jeff i'm wondering what you make it the different evidence that the judge has ruled in miscible. karen mcdougal, the former playboy play man, foreign president, allegedly had an affair with, will be allowed to testify and other

hand, the access hollywood it would tape which everybody knows about cant be played for the jury. >> i thought those were very reasonable conclusions by the judge the karen mcdougal story is very similar to the stormy daniels story. it is money paid for silence for women who allegedly involved with trump at trump's behalf the idea that trump was trying to keep information from the voters on the eve of, on the eve of the election. bye, by paying this money or having his allies at the national enquirer pay pay karen mcdougal. >> i also thought >> it was appropriate to keep the access hollywood tape out. that is a k he's that is a tape about non-consensual sexual contact. the donald trump saying what everyone knows he said about what he could do with women. >> that's not what this >> case is about. no one stormy daniels and karen mcdougal both it claim that this was consensual sex, and i thought

keeping that away from the jury, even though they probably already know about it, wasn't appropriate decision for trump's benefit caitlin, also, the trump's he made a request of the judge regarding another hearing in washington, dc next week. >> yeah. it just shows you how all of trump's legal issues are kind of colliding here. i mean, next week is when the supreme court is going to hear the immunity arguments for donald trump, which is really the ball game for all of these major cases that he's also faced. when it comes to the special counsel that is going to be next thursday in trump's team, right at the end after they were done with trying to get jury selection, working on that today, they made a request for donald trump to be able to attend that next thursday in washington. todd blanche has lead attorney said that he very much wants to attend that. and the judge was saying i understand why that's a grave importance. it's obviously an argument that you're making before the supreme court, but he noted correctly that trump is required to be here in new york. that is part of the agreement. he didn't ask for a waiver for his presence. he

certainly could. but the judge said that next thursday he will see him here in new york because they are trying to keep this on schedule and i think that speaks to really what today underscores and what it means for how it's changing donald trump's day-to-day reality and are set. i mean, he is someone who is in charge of his schedule. he was the president of the united states. he kinda does whatever he wants. but with this, he is confined to being in the manhattan courthouse several days a week and will be for the foreseeable future. now jeff tube and richard gabriel, thanks so much kaitlan, we're going to see you at the top of the hour nine on the source, you have a conversation with a member of the trump defense team joining sandwich, new york, new yorker contributing writer ronan farrow is written the definitive book on the practice at the center of this trial. the title catch and kill by spies, and a conspiracy to protect predators. running. we learned today that several stories that you helped him cover will be allowed to be taken into evidence in this trial, including allowing karen mcdougal to testify how important do you think her story is two, this trial to the larger picture?

>> it's pivotal and it's a pivotal moment in this case that judge merchan is saying, look, this is essential material to establishing the narrative. the narrative being that there was indeed a scheme between donald trump and the national enquirer, and that these payments had an electoral intent and the evidence of a series of payments, not just a stormy daniel, which is the central transaction at issue, but also to karen mcdougal, who you mentioned potentially to the doorman at trump tower, who has paid off for exclusive rights to a rumor he'd heard about that trump had an affair and fathered a child with an employer we don't know whether that rumor is accurate, but we do know that there was a payment from the national enquirer in order to lock up that doorman in silence all of that has figured in legal documents around this case and the fact that it's now going to figure in front of jurors is significant. it's the crux of it i supposed to mcdougal in

2018, i just want to play some board. she had to say once don't trump won the republican nomination you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back >> they wanted some squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump >> i'm assuming so, yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not. no how you're pretty, you're convinced. now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presidential race unfortunately yes >> i'll pivot all. do you think her actual testimony would be well, we don't yet

know whether that testimony will be a part of this trial. it was lead in theoretically, but the judge also made a hedging comments we don't know whether the probative value of that would out weigh the pudendal potential prejudicial effect of it. so we'll see what we do know from both of our interactions. karen mcdougal and the way she behaved with other journalists is she's been willing to turn whistleblower on this matter. she expressed to me multiple times in our interviews that she felt a sense of guilt without having been dragged into a scheme width electoral implications which wasn't her intention in the first place. so we have a sense that she's going to be willing to help the prosecution in this case. we also have a strong sense that figure is an ami. the then parent company of the national enquirer are going to be willing to help david for instance, has gone in and met with prosecutors around the inquiries into trump in the hush payments from basically square one. so there's a roster of individuals who can speak to the fact that this was a scheme to influence the election, something that the trump folks

denied to me from the beginning of this recording. and then gradually have had to admit to we last time you and i spoke, you said that you weren't sure whether there's a strong case yet given where things stand out after >> today, what do you think you'd said that given the unique nature of these charges? >> trump is obviously facing a variety of criminal proceedings around the country. there's these four ongoing cases it is true that most legal experts regard this as one of the thinner ones. if theoretically each of these charges, in this case, could carry a multiyear sentence, but more likely any sentence would be served concurrently with any other sentence in this case. and it's very possible that trump won't get any jail time for something of this severity. there are other cases ongoing that could be more severe. however, this case is consequential in part because it's the one that we may see resolution on first before the election so this is something

that is going to have a big effect on the media cycle. a big effect on the election. and i will say that from what we've seen in the early proceedings, this judge pushing back very hard against efforts by trump's defense to delay things efforts to force the judge to recuse himself. all of that does suggest it's that you have someone in that position who is not a pushover and who is going to go hard on this. he did grant at least one motion that the defense brought forward today. he's clearly taking a great show of being evenhanded in the face of a lot of broadsides from trump who has been attacking the stretch on social media, potentially in violation of the gag order. there'll be hearing about that in several weeks. but he's also making it clear that he's not going to fold >> ronan farrow. thanks so much. good to talk to you. coming up next. all we are learning here about what could come next in israel's confrontation with iran. also late reporting for the white house on efforts there to contain a crisis which may be about to grow. again, we'll be right back university of

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>> the, response to some of the more than 300 drones and missiles launched by iran and israel over the weekend, israel now weighing what more? it will do about it, as we mentioned at the top, runs governmentally tonight, warning that any israeli counter-strike would be answered not in days, but in seconds. they claim cnn chief international correspondent first award is here with me. what do we know about the decision-making process going on in israel right now >> so there was yet another war cabinet session today. the fourth since saturday, it lasted a few hours. we also heard from the idf chief saying, but really it is not a question of if rather with, but when so the question then becomes, what does that response look like? there are numerous options on the table. could be a direct for tat going for an iranian military facility could be an asymmetric attack focusing on one of your ron's proxies could be a cyber attack, but against the backdrop, you have these kind of competing political the

calculations anderson, you have allies of israel who are really urging caution, who are really urging restraint. and then you have political allies primarily in the form of benjamin netanyahu's right-wing coalition, who are urging a tougher stance, a more robust response to re-establish a detergent, a deterrent and then across the region, of course, just this broader sense of high alert intention and anticipation. >> there's also a question of timing. is it better to wait and sort of serve revenge? cold at a time and place of choosing? or is it? imperative that it'd be quick while there is international support for israel, sympathy for it, yeah, the consensus right now seems to be that there's an impetus for movement sun, and that may be because israel feels that it's enjoying a rare moment of goodwill that people are less focused on what's been happening in gaza and the atrocities and failures there and more focused on this broader issue of iran. they've talked about wanting to form a

regional coalition. we saw benjamin netanyahu taking to twitter again today saying we've got to stand united against iran. but i think there's a sense that there's a limited window that they will be able to do that in typically, as the world will turn its attention back to gaza, back to the stalled talks with hamas about a ceasefire and hostage release. >> there had been thought this week there would be an operation in rafah unclear at this point where the status of that unclear what the status is. there are still so many moving parts. you still have 1 million gazans who are hunkered down displaced in rafah. and israel has faced a lot of criticism for its actions in gaza. they know that the world is watching that they will be expected to launch this operation in some way where we do not see the level of civilian casualties that we have seen before. we've heard the us being overtly critical and sort of laying down a warning. again, you come back to these competing political considerations though, because here in israel, there is also a

lot of pressure on its leadership to deliver some kind of a military victory against hamas then gaza, though no one has really articulated exactly at this stage what that would look like. anderson for ward, thanks, very much. >> let's >> go to next to the idf chief spokesperson rear admiral daniel hagari and gary. appreciate your time tonight. the idf chief of staff said today that are ron's attack quote will be met with a response and that it will, we will do that at the time. we choose what would you hope to achieve from a military perspective in any, in any response >> hi, understand. >> good to see you again >> on saturday night >> we faced a launch is large-scale launch attack of iran that launched over 350 ballistic missiles cruise missiles rockets it's drones towards israel this was the

largest scale of attack that we saw. and using over 100 ballistic missiles with one attention who harm israel this unprecedented attack met with an unprecedented response hair capability of defense response of israel that fought in the air in the sea, in the land but we did not fight alone. it also met a coalition the coalition that was formed against iran, led by the united states and also united kingdom friends and other partners. >> this coalition >> has intercepted 99% of the threat and it's sorted. the attack by iran but he didn't just wrote it. the attack by iran. >> it also conveyed >> a strong message to iran we will not stand this iranian

aggression how concerned are you that any response you talked about >> the coalition >> partners. there was also jordan, there was also saudi arabia involved. are you concerned that a a military response. now against iran might jeopardize future cooperation from those countries and others >> many countries in the region shared the same straight. it israel from iran, the old share this threat. this is why on saturday night wasn't just a significant moment of this attack that was stopped. iran failed but it also revealed the opportunity in the middle east for coalition for countries that share the same straight from this iranian aggression and we will not stand from this iranian aggression. it will be

stopped i want to ask you about some reporting a senior biden administration official confirmed to cnn that hamas >> is now telling israeli mediate or mediators that they only have around 20 remaining hostages who are in the groups that they are willing to release women or sick or wounded and elderly man this is down from the number 40, which we understand has been part of negotiations over the last several weeks. do you believe that hamas is negotiating with the intent to reach a ceasefire deal what do you make of their saying now only 20 last time we met anderson was five days after 7 october. i met you at the nova festival allocation site, where hundreds of young children that came to hear music festival were slaughtered by hamas we stood there together seeing the burned cause. the area was days before

a party of freedom a party for young people that were looking for music and freedom and those young women that were slaughtered over the and those young women that were kidnapped to gaza now being held hostages. and those are young women that face sexual violence. hamas is the ruthless enemy. hamas is still holding 133 hostages women, children, the elderly we must do everything to bring them back home as fast as we can. it's true >> hamas >> once is, it's still in its own condition, but we have to do everything we can to rescue our hostages. there's no time. we're losing time with our hostages. we have to do everything we can to bring them home

>> do you believe that the pressure israel has been under from, from allies, from the us, from others in the international community has weakened the ability of israel two on the negotiating table. i mean, if hamas is now backing off from saying 40 and now down to 20, and we want more prisoners and more of those who had been held for life sentences. we want more of them released does that indicate to you that the leadership of hamas in gaza views israel as weekend at the negotiating table >> i think israel knows hamas for many years he didn't change when we talked about gilad shalit in gaza, it was the same when we talked about the later one >> show >> and an adult golden, it was the same this is hamas. we know them so well this is hamas. you only wants to survive. the only

wants his own survival. this is hamas he takes use the hostages for its own survival. he uses the gazan population for its own survival and we must do everything we can with the mediators, with the idf forces to pressure hamas to bring them back home >> you mentioned the young women who had been taken from the nova music festival day. i met you should also point out hirsch goldberg-polin, and others who had been wounded. hirsch had his left hand and arm blown off or shot off in a shelter there. he we believe is still being held. so there are as you say, many from that nova music festival still being held. daniel admiral hagari, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you so much, andrew, sun. these days, we are waiting to see what will happen in the region. but on saturday night

although the war is very, very tough, we saw the friendship, the iron clad friendship true strategic friendship of united states sent standing beside israel, but it wasn't just the united states. united kingdom, france, and other countries in the region and it showed the opposite unity. list for the future that this war will end with different middle east. >> a >> more stable middle east, most safe for middle east thank you >> in regard. thank you. with me now, is michael oren former israeli ambassador to the united states. i want to ask you about what the outcome will just said, which is just hasn't gotten as much attention. i keep coming back to it as jordan and saudi arabia some involvement. in the coalition that helped stop this attack and israel, how significant is that? is that a sign of what could be a changing dynamic?

>> welcome back, anderson. it's hugely significant. i mean, think about this. i mean, who would have thought about this? 2030, 40 years ago, that israel will be joining with jordan gordon with saudi arabia, perhaps with the uae as well, and fighting a common enemy would have been unthinkable. and it is what adenylyl gary just said that it's historic opportunity, isn't a sark opportunity. yeah. there's lots of dangerous here >> so if there is i mean, that's got to weigh into the work councils decision-making process of what does that does a direct attack on iran. does that does that hurt that historic opportunity to war cabinet has to thread a very, very narrow needle, okay, you have to create deterrence on iran without triggering perhaps a regional conflagration and not breaking up this new found alliance that came into being income to being on saturday night, but certainly showed its effect. it's robust impact on the region saturday. israel was on the verge of a deal with saudi arabia for recognition prior to october 7, there's many who believed that's what

one of the main reasons hamas would have launched when they didn't want to stop that day? yeah, i did. i did. >> and as true and these states are looking to us to stand up. these states faced twin challenges. that's its sunni extremism, the form of hamas the muslim brotherhood. and she had extremism in the form of iran and hizballah. if the united states gets behind this effort to stop both of these extremism together with israel, there are tremendous opportunities here let's being the chance here is to show that the war going on in gaza south of here. and what happened in the iranian attack on israel on saturday night is really the same war and it's a war that's been going on for decades here. so >> you're not the investor in any longer, so you can say your opinion if us is saying take this as a win israel don't don't militarily retaliate right now, what would you say? >> i'd say it was a great achievement for israel is a great achievement for the us. israel alliance. a great chavan for the region but a defense is not deterrence. >> and it

>> football, basketball, you don't win a game just on defense. you have to win on offense as well. but you want to view offense in a smart way and in a controlled way that it gets i said earlier, that will not lead to a wider conflagration in the region at will enable us to retain these alliances, not just with united states, with europe. and of course with our so we're response by israel, you're saying is i mean, are you saying whether it's most important that it's sent a message to iran, that it's kind of loss of face if >> you don't respond, it's not just loss of face is getting a message to the entire middle east. you can shoot 350 projectiles at us if one of them gotten through, could've killed thousands of people. >> those >> cruise missiles can take down an entire neighborhood, not just a building. >> we >> can't do that, can't live in this neighborhood. what that message getting? now. so a military response values or wouldn't necessarily have to actually have much of a military effect on the ground. but you're saying that the value of what would be more psychological or just in terms of sending. a message. but since i'm not

>> ambassador, i'll say the following. iran has a target rich environment there crypto possibilities and iran is very, very vulnerable to them >> there are fuel facilities along the persian gulf. there are many areas where israel could send that message, would, wouldn't involve attacking iranians the way they way the iranians attacked our people. >> and by >> the way, we don't have, we don't have the conflict with the people of iran before 1979, we had a very close relationship with those people want to have that relationship again, we don't want those people to rally around the regime want those people to conclude that desk regime is really, really bad for them, because i think they're already there ready and we want to encourage that that process so again it's a target rich environment is what has to choose the target that's going to get the message across. >> shooting >> 350 project those addison it's a really bad idea. it's going to cost you. it's actually going to cost a secular create the region to galvanize around you against you together with the united states, britain, france, other international actors who knows,

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here and said that the us will not be involved in a counter-strike against iran. of course, the focus for the white house is to contain the risk of this becoming a broader regional conflict that has been a top i'll concern for months since the october 7 terrorist attacks, it is especially one now. and in a phone call that the president held yesterday with g7 liters, the focus of that was the diplomatic way forward, the non-military actions they can take, for example, arranging new multilateral sanctions against iran's missile and other nefarious programs. now of course the question is whether the israeli prime minister is going to take presidents and the president's advice and whether israel gives any notice to the us before its response. those are two open-ended questions here at the white house tonight. now, the national security council spokesperson was asked today whether the president is going to get on the phone. again with the prime minister. he didn't have anything to share, but he did say that there would be a call at the appropriate time. anderson

>> priscilla alvarez. thanks very much. i'm trying now. by norman rule, he is the former national intelligence manager for iran at the offices of the director of national elegance. norman, when you hear running officials talk, has one did today about retaliating to an israeli strike within seconds is that you think bluster or do you take them at their word >> good evening. >> know they'd probably have a capability and the intelligence packages set aside to launch a number of missiles and drones it's likely, are they made launch a smaller package than they did on april 13. hoping that the world will say, because it's a smaller package, they are accommodating the new environment or not attempting to escalate the new environment. but some launch capacity as possible >> what do you mean when you look at what is happening here now, what stands out to you? what should our viewers know >> what stands out in my mind is we've watched the collapse of of deterrence against iran

be at hostages, piracy against ships expanding its nuclear program, attacking israel terrorist operations in the united states and the united kingdom, it's really difficult to identify what an international red line for collective action against iran besides symbolic sanctions happens to be >> there had been talking about increase sanctions. there already a number of sanctions against iran is are there any levers to pull other than an attack >> certainly. and i think we need to comment on number of sanctions. it's very easy to say hundreds of sanctions are in place, but sanctions on individuals with no assets abroad who don't use international financial systems, who don't travel abroad. and indeed the regime doesn't want them to travel abroad sound good, but they don't change leadership, decision-making in a perfect

world of sanction would not be issued without a statement to say, this is why we believe it will change your ron's behavior. if we just see from the g7 sanctions against a ron's missile or other related programs, we shouldn't affect expected this will change change their decision-making on future attacks >> what do you think of the participation of jordan and saudi arabia in the defense against this iranian attack over the weekend, does it i mean, as some israelis here? like to say that this points to a future of a potential sort of change in the dynamic >> well, there are several elements to this stew. first, jordan, saudi arabia, and all of the regional arab states have a great concerns over on iran is a common threat. second, we've watched the united states, particularly central command, develop extraordinary relationships with saudi arabia and jordan. >> this is paying off. next,

these countries have an obligation to defend their own airspace from iran, from the transitive iranian missiles and drones. and last, these countries would fill the impact if this, if this conflict grew into a regional conflict. so it's certainly in their interest to prevent damaged by iranian missiles and drones >> norman rule. thank you for your time. coming up next we're going to return to the first ever trial, the former president and examined this unprecedented event with presidential story endorse kearns goodwin what impacts hue every day in denial, there's one influential book >> that shapes the way we measure create and ignite change, the bibles. in fact, he's all the rounds. discover how at museum of the bible good de, to cough. oh, no >> bob, i call later chest congestion hello 12 hours of

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first former president stands trial in a criminal court, >> we know obviously everybody's saying it's an a day, but what really goes through my mind is a sadness as an historian that this is what an historic day is. i mean, if i could time travel, i'd much rather go back to january 1, 18, 63 be there when the emancipation proclamation was an historic day. i'd rather be there at d-day on june 6, 1944. the idea that what makes this an historic day, it said it's the first president who is going to be in a criminal trial just makes me sad in many ways. i think that's what's going through my mind in addition, what we'll really make this an historic day is it depends on what happens, whether or not the verdict come down one way or another, whether the american people accept that verdict, whether or not it affects the election that's when we're really going to know it. that's what we never know when certain things happen. the whole train of events will be set in motion today and it's really where comes out in the election, i think in november that will really tell us how historic this day is

>> it's also when you think about how people witnessed today through different lenses those who believe everything the former president says, or even if they don't believe it, they don't really care whether it's true or not. those who have other opinions >> can you >> talk about i mean, are there other times that really stand out where the population has seen things through such different eyes. i mean, obviously this is a country that's been divided many times throughout our history. >> i think the only other time that really comes close close to this are the 1850s because what happened during that decade was the understanding of what was happening in the country was completely different in the south and the north. you look at what happened when charles sumner was attacked by a southern congressmen. and it right in the capital, and it was so a to the north that they were on street corners. they formed themselves into the republican party in the south the person who did the attack, preston

brooks became a hero and everybody was giving him golden keynes to replicate the cane that he had used to bludgeon sumner. and you realize that the same event was being considered in an entirely different way in terms of facts, truth, and emotions about how they felt it, and then people knew historians have said that once that happened, it was really hard for anything to bring those two sides together. and that's what we're seeing today. different truths, different facts, a different emotional set about even this trial itself and what's being said. so that's what's that's what's it makes me nervous as an historian, we certainly don't want the 1850s to be our our echo of what's going to happen to us today. >> your new book, an unfinished love story. it is truly remarkable. it is a memoir of your life with your late husband, richard goodwin, who was a brilliant speech writer and adviser, john f. kennedy to lyndon johnson, to robert kennedy and he remained in demand his whole life. you write about how in the aftermath the 2000 election, al gore reach out to ask for help with both a victory speech and the concession speech. your

husband chose to focus on the concession, knowing how important it would be if needed. you and he came upon that speech while you were researching this book and you write quote he asked me to read a closed his eyes and listen to the description of the peaceful transition of power, the hallmark of our democratic system dating back to george washington. this is what he wrote. let there be no doubt, while i strongly disagree with the court's decision, i accept it and tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy. i offer my concession and quote, liz cheney wrote in her recent book, that was one of the most patriotic speeches she had ever heard. do you think that the general public better understands and the wake of january 6, how much of a duty that the losing candidate as to help defend democracy. >> i certainly thought so right after january 6. i mean, that was such an important thing in 2000 because what gore did was to say that i offer my support because of the strength of democracy. i disagree with this

decision. but nonetheless, for democracy, i will accept it. and i know when my husband was working john and he understood the power that was important at that moment for a president to speak a presidential hopeful to speak, because the election had already been so we forget about there were many, many days when all that was going on in florida and nobody knew what the decisions we're going to be like. and the most important thing in this country is a peaceful transition of power. it's what a democracy depends upon. now, democracy is so simple. >> who wins? the people can decide who when they can decide who lose and throw them out. and if you don't accept that, and the great thing about that speech was that it went back to stephen douglas, who lost the election to lincoln and he said patriotism has to trump and his certain sense, he didn't say that word, but but i'm patriotism there's more important than party right now >> doris kearns goodwin, just scan the book remarkable and unfinished love story, a personal history of the 1960s. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. i'm so glad to be with you from far away can we a live report for

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same as chicago leading, some travelers headed to o'hare airport for it to get out of their cars. and we'll actually walk to the terminal. another protests on wall street in new york, cnn's veronica miracle joins now from the golden gate bridge with more. so to talk a little bit about the protests on the bridge, what happened? >> well, interesting 26 people were arrested here on the golden gate bridge. several of those people had actually chain themselves to each other and two cars that were part of the protests that were parked on the bridge, stopping traffic of both directions. this happened during the monday morning rush hour commute it started around 8:00 a.m. and did not resolve until about 12:30. it lasted a long time and the california highway patrol says this was part of an organized event, one that happened here, but then also there was a separate protest onther major thoroughfare in oaon the at their protesters that actualhain tmselves 55 gallon barreof concrete and rebar, making it very difficult for authories to clear that roadway. take a

listen to what the chp had to say about these protests. >> you can protest any which way you want, but it is unlawful to brock block a roadway and to prevent people from getting to work emergency personnel from getting to help people. you can't do it the protests were say this is part of a worldwide movement in solidarity with palestine anderson there were a number of other projects around the country, yes >> there were actually across five major cities at least. and in those five major cities, at least 140 people were arrested to the protests were actually around major airports, including in see tack in seattle and o'hare international in chicago, where travelers were seeing having to get out of cars, take their luggage, and try to walk into make their flights. so a lot of cities impacted today, anderson veronica miracle. thank you. the news continues right here