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that's supreme court could have said, oh no, we're not taking that up. >> oh, absolutely. i mean, there's very strong case for them wedding and stand because the dc circuit did a very thorough opinion. i mean, it seems to me it's a bit of an ego issue that they felt they really had the weigh in on it because it's historic, but legally, there was not a reason to do that. and the court historically has tried not two exercises jurisdiction when it doesn't have to and it didn't have to do that here. >> yeah. unless they want to send it back down, which is what i'm told by sources close to the case, there's a thought that maybe they want to send it back back down for further proceedings on a more narrow definition of immunity, which means more interesting constitutional questions felt some more delays. >> now also means probably know january 6 case before the election, that is all intensive purposes, sorry, paula shan. thank you so much. busy morning. thanks very much for joining us. morning. i'm jim acosta. our next our newsroom with wolf blitzer starts right now. i have a great day. everybody happening now, de to of jury selection and donald trump's criminal trial in new
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york. after no jurors were seated on day one we're live outside the courthouse, plus oral arguments are underway right now at the united states supreme court with huge implications for hundreds of january 6 rioters. how this potentially could impact special counsel jack smith's case against donald trump as well. and a us official tells cnn that israel's response to iran's attacks will be limited in scope details on what that could mean. when it could happen hello, i'm wolf blitzer in washington and urine the cnn newsroom cnn breaking news we begin this hour in new york, potential jurors are packed into a manhattan courtroom. >> once again, as the search continues for 12 men and women plus six alternates to hear their historic criminal case against donald trump. he's accused of falsifying business documents hi, hush money paid
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to an adult film star over an alleged affair cnn akre, chief legal analyst laura coates, is live outside the courthouse in lower manhattan for us. laura, tell us what's going on thanks, wolf. >> and good morning. it's another historic de day two of jury selection of the very first time but american president, a former president, has been charged criminally and now will sit for a trial that he longed tried to avoid. we're now in day two of jury selection. here. now with correspondence kara scannell and kristen holmes, qarrah, you first catches up and what's been happening right now because we are in day two, the motion practice largely ended yesterday. other there were some things. now you have jurors who are answering questions. >> we're in the heart of this jury selection process here, and they're still trying to get to the point where they fill the jury box with enough that they could really drill down into their questions. so well, we've seen today, yesterday, we got up tonight in that box now, today, through some of the questioning, just going through the regular questionnaire, were finding that some of the jurors are
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saying, hey, now, i can't be fair partial. others are saying they've been excused because they have a scheduling conflict, been one juror said that she works for a cybersecurity firm, thought that her. job would take up most of her ability to focus, but then also said that she did at one point in the past subscribe to some social media posts that were anti-trump this is part of the process we're also learning about some of these jurors and who they are. i mean, there's a bookseller who's sitting in the jury right now. there's also a prosecutor in the bronx district attorney's office who still in the jury. now these people could end up getting excused at some point, but we just kinda get a sense of who's in there now and that includes a lawyer, prosecutor, a bookseller, and oncology nurse, really kind of a cross-section of manhattan it isn't because people might think with your inbox right now, but they're already going to be the people who are jenga really they're going to be filtered into the courtroom. those are going to sit into the actual jury box as we come to know it, right. and then as you being asked, questions will come in and out depending on what questions you actually
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answer. the indicate bias or not. so right now, we've got people in the box, but no one officially a juror on this case. christian, when you look at this and of course, there's one juror who was excused already for having a pro trump bias. it seem that must be very frustrating for the trump team of, course because they didn't even know if they were going to get anyone that was pro trump. they have been very concerned about the political makeup of manhattan worry that they were not going to get anyone he said that that active donald trump good point about whether or not these jurors are going to eventually sit on the actual juror and we just solve one man who was not been ruled out. he answered all the questions, but he said that his main take with msnbc and huffington post that might be something that donald trump's team takes issue with. they are going to go through each part of this question they're really with a fine tooth comb to try and make sure that these people are not people who would necessarily want to rule against donald trump because of their political beliefs or because of what kind of news information that they take it. >> again, when we talk about
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over-arching, what are they trying to get out of this? there's not a lot of optimism. once again, that they are going to win this all right, but they are still trying to get at least one sympathetic juror to donald trump to try and aim for this potential hungary. remember the monotony of the jury selection process? so as i mean, this is going to take some time and we already saw some of the color on the courtroom with trump is eyes closed periodically, watching each juror as they're walking from the well of the courtroom up until this theory box, trying to ensure establish some sort of rapport from across the room or understand who this person is. this is going to be a very long process for him to try to endure. but also him trying to endorse it and be quiet according to the gag order that might be a challenge. we already know there's motions happening right now, continued queuing about whether he has in fact violated why is there now a tuesday hearing next week for that as opposed to dealing with it right now well, the judge is giving them time to put together their legal arguments because jury selection is taking up a lot of the lawyers
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time. >> and even though trump does have a big legal team this is an important issue and his lead attorneys are very focused right now on jury selection. so the judge is giving them some time. there's no court tomorrow. they'd have the weekend. but in order to build up their case of why trump shouldn't be held in contempt for violating that gag order because a lot of the focus of today is to select this jury like we've been talking about, this is the most important decision in this case for donald trump right now is to feel that he has a jury that he can be comfortable with. now he sat through jury selection in the civil case, the eeg jean carroll defamation case, that took a lot that was a lot quicker that different, judge, different process. it was just one day, but trump was very actively involved. he was leaning to look at the jurors they were talking as we've seen today and yesterday, he's following along at times in the questionnaire. it does get tedious in there. you're going through this, but you're also getting to know who these people hello, are and trying to see how they react to him. if someone is acting hesitant or
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not willing to look around, that can give his team's some clues it's that maybe this is someone they need to probe further on. but there's so much that you can glean just from being in the room and witnessing this. and that is why the judge is telling trump he has to be here, and that is why we're seeing prompt at times seeming to pay a lot of attention. >> it makes you because you're going to have an unnatural environment in many respects, even for the prosecution and defense, when you have the presence of say, a former president, that it might throw off someone's body language. they may act unnaturally in a way that make, make you think, you know what they're thinking, and they're not in fact thinking these things. also, i want you to, if you have any questions about the trial, by the way, after i know many of you do as you're leaning into all this historic coverage, just go to cnn.com slash trump trial questions, just typing your question there and then we'll reach out to have you, collin, on my show tonight. laura coates, live at 11:00 p.m. to answer your questions, wolf, let's go back to you i'll be watching for sure, laura, thank you. in fact, the team as well in new york for some more analysis, i want to
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bring in cnn senior political analyst, gloria borger, along with david urban. david is, i've republican strategist and was a trump campaign senior advisor, gloria trump's smoke outside the court this morning, slamming, the judge, slamming the trial he also had this to say about the criminal charges that have been leveled against and listen paying a lawyer and walking down, legal expense account i didn't know. >> marching down his legal expense that's exactly what it was and you've been indicted over them he says some account market donalds, if i can legal expense, i'm not quite sure what he's talking about. >> i mean, some account and who was the accountant? i mean, we know that that it was payments to stormy daniels. it wasn't expense. it wasn't it wasn't to michael cohen for his work. it was michael cohen was the intermediary on that slope. i think every day in every way donald trump is trying to exert
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some control over this process, which he has no control over. and the only way he can do that is by claiming before it goes into court and as he exits court, that he's innocent and otherwise he has to sit there all day and try and figure out who's gonna be on the jury and basically say nothing they never, among other things, are david trump continues to repeat as totally just claim that the biden white house orchestrated this case. is this an effective general election campaign message? >> i think overall, right. writ large, that's the kind of the theme here. the law fair theme of trying to keep trump off the ballot via court maneuvers. i think would be more effective perhaps in this case is an argument about the district attorney here because it's a state-level brought by the district attorney in this case, alvin bragg maybe the former president should have said something to the effect that in 2022, alvin bragg downgraded 52% of felony cases two misdemeanors. and in my case, he elevated a misdemeanor claim
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to a felony that probably been a good argument to make because that's actually factually true. and people can kind of stir, stir on that and debate that it's not doing. he's not doing that. and then and then to your point about whether this is to further explain, this is michael cohen paid this payment out gotten logged in a book, as a legal payment, and i'm being tried as a criminal here because he got logged as a legal payment versus a business expense. if you really just lay those out for the american people, i think it'd be doing much better off because you know, eight api north pole came out today and said one in three americans believed only, only one in three american pulley that trump did something wrong here. this is a bad trial for a lots of reasons. i remember sitting back when when alvin bragg brought this case and everyone kind of rank their hand and said, oh, we have all these january 6 cases, he's serious cases. it need to be heard and they're not going to get hurt. and instead, this terrible case is going to get heard and one person has all needed to have a not guilty or
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a hung jury here. and then donald trump will emerge jubilant from this courtroom. >> well, i think that's what they're looking for. right. i mean, there they're drawing from a dark blue pools. there in manhattan and what they're looking for is that one person maybe it was the person who who who could be on donald trump's sayyed and could hold out because of course, the jury verdict has to be unanimous. and so what his attorneys are looking for is that one independent person who might be able to stand up to a jury who wanted to convict donald trump. and that's, you know, that's not easy. a lot of this is you know, playing with smoke and mirrors and trying to figure out who this person is that's why that selection process is underway right now, which i call a2 is so so sensitive and so important to see if they can get fair and impartial jurors can you imagine sitting there as a juror, potential juror and looking across ten feet away as the former president, the united states, it's gotta be a surreal experience for the
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jurors who, when they get, they get their number pulled than they show up at the courthouse that are exactly know what they're gonna be in and then they find out they're in it's trial. >> it's some of them. i'm sure want to participate, so i'm sure don't want to participate for all the all the reasons that go along with this. this will either hot you is for the rest of your life if you don't want to be in this jury, some people want to serve and it'll do it so it's, it's very weighty and to your point, gloria, this is beyond a reasonable doubt. this is a big a big lift it's not like the e jean carroll case, which is a civil case, mere preponderance of the evidence. this is beyond reason about much higher standard. it's gonna be much tougher to proof, you know, and look, this is intimidating. >> i mean, you're saying the president is there. the president wants to be there at every sidebar former president, he's going to be looking at every person they're answering very personal questions. did you read michael cohen's books? what news do you consume? i mean, on and on and so i think it's you know, it's a difficult process for these people to the jerseys potential jurors. a lot of credit for women go through all
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that as well yeah. >> david, thank you very much. gloria, stick around. we've got some breaking news. we're following. i want to get your reaction happening now up on capitol hill, the house speaker mike johnson, facing new threats from within his own party. kentucky congressmen, thomas massie, indicating that he will back congresswoman marjorie taylor greene's effort to oust johnson from his position. cnn's chief congressional correspondent, manu raju was up on capitol hill tell us about this latest threat to the speaker's job and how johnson is responding yeah, this is a serious threat because if all democrats voted to oust mike johnson, he could only afford to lose two republican defections. >> and thank you. you can't afford to lose two republican defections after a congressman resigns this week, that would narrow his margin to just one vote by next week and already two republicans are now calling for his ouster, thomas massie joining marjorie taylor greene, who initially she added this call to push mike johnson out
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of the speakership. this initially started with some of mike johnson's deal-cutting, including to keep the government open last month, it has intensified over his dealing with a key for valence law. and now in the aftermath of mike johnson making his move on, moving forward aid to ukraine, aid to israel, aid to taiwan. he's got a legislative strategy to try to essentially move all those issues out of the house by this week after it's stalled for more than two months in the senate has approached difference from the sentence, but is still not is still causing a major angkor among conservatives, right-wing conservative in particular, who do not want another dime going to the ed to help ukraine in its war against russia. now i caught up with massie after a tense closed-door meeting in which massie directly called on mike johnson resigned in. johnson said he would not there's only one person right now who can stop us from going into what happened last fall and s mike johnson he's cleaning the barn. >> that's obvious. >> you want him to resign, you want to resign? yes.
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>> yeah. i asked him to resign and what he what he said he said he would not. and then i said, well, you're the one who's going to put us into this because the motion is going to get called. >> okay. does anybody doubt that? >> emotion will get called? >> and then he's going to lose more votes. and kevin mccarthy and i have told him this in private, like weeks ago and there are just so many questions wolf still about how this will play out. >> one about the critical policy issues, the aid to ukraine, to israel, to taiwan that has been stalled here in the house for more than two months. now, we'll mike johnson have the votes actually advanced. seven is an open question. mike johnson's new plan has not been formally released yet, even as the speaker is trying to push it. and then what do those conservatives do? what do marjorie taylor greene? thomas massie do? do they actually call for that vote? they can do that and they could force a vote within two legislative days. and then what will democrats do? well, they actually save johnson. there's some members of the house democratic caucus who have told me that they in fact, will save mike johnson it's an
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especially if you move down the way they want them to move on. ukraine aid, in particular. so a key moment here for the speaker and the republican majority wishes to into a bitter in and chaos now threatening the second speaker after the first speaker, kevin mccarthy was ousted last fall in an unprecedented fashion, never before in american history. he has a speaker been kicked out by his own colleagues. could the second speaker happen to be kicked out now, that is an open question. is mike johnson's speakership now imperiled well, quick follow-up question, mondo, does the congress didn't massie want the speaker to resign because the speaker supports aid to ukraine. >> is that what this is? all about it is several issues that is being one of them is deal-cutting on keeping the government open. >> another one of them as well as moving forward and a key source valence law, mike johnson came out opposed to an amendment trying to go after the warrantless surveillance program to the fbi has conducted national security ogg's say it's essential for national security or several of those issues johnson mass he
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says, johnson has portrayed the conservative cause that is masses word, and that's what, that's why he's going down this rapa ukraine is essentially was pushing these members who oppose any more aid to ukraine over the edge are saying that they are willing to push out the speaker of the house. the question is, because you have the support wolf to stay on all right. >> manner. raja up on capitol hill. thanks for that breaking news and come being up a little bit later this hour, i'll speak live with congressman jared moscowitz about all of this. he's got unique views on what should happen to the speaker of the house and gloria david are still back with a slurry. let me get your reaction first. this is a very sensitive moment for the speaker. well, it is. i mean, his job is on the line and we've been there before. obviously, i think my question and is and manu and mano refer to this is what to the democrats do in this situation do the democrats decide that they're going to save? speaker johnson, and if they do that, what do they want to get in return through? they want a clean bill on aid for ukraine,
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for example, what are they, what are they going to ask for? they're not gonna give it votes for free and it's not that they have any love lost for speaker johnson, but they want to get this package through. i may ask congress, democratic congressman moscow for what do you think? yeah, it's very tough. look, he's in an open situation. kevin mccarthy was it's the exact same situation when it was doing the exact same thing that speaker johnson is doing. and he was ousted. so it is a tough spot. it's nowhere and situation he's going to have to cut a deal with democrats if he wants to survive. apparently, you have to two votes. he can't afford to lose the two boats here will be ousted. so stay tuned. it could be tumultuous next few weeks, let's see what happens. >> that's a very sensitive moment of deep guys. thank you very much. after the break a crucial case that could undermine potentially hundreds of january 6 cases arguments are underway right now in the supreme court stay with us. urine the cnn newsroom the
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stormed the us capitol, including this defendant, former pennsylvania police officer, just so fisher trump is not involved in this case, but he has been charged with the same criminal offense for plotting to subvert the 2020 election. joining us now are cnn's chief legal affairs correspondent, paula reid. paula, what have we heard so far from this morning's arguments? >> well, look well, before we get to the substance of the argument, the most important thing that i think we heard heard is the voice of justice clarence thomas. because yesterday he did not attend the arguments and the supreme court gave no explanation for his absence. usually they provide some sort of explanation and there is always, of course, the option to go remote. he is the most senior associate justice and he didn't miss several arguments back in 2022 because of an infection. and of course, in any year, but it's especially a presidential election year any mystery surrounding adjust, this raises a lot of alarms. so we saw him today on the bench and he almost seem to make a point of asking questions. he sounded like he was in good health but
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it was also interesting the content of his questions because as you know, they've been calls for justice thomas to recuse himself four cases related to january 6 because of his wife's efforts to subvert the election. he obviously did not recuse. but if you heard his first couple of questions, the first question he asked appeared sympathetic to the justice department. then he asked other question on the other side, seeming to make two points. one, i'm here, i'm doing fine, and also, i can be objective in this case. of course, at the heart of this case is a federal law that was passed in the wake of enron as part of sarbanes oxley, and it has to do with interfering with an official proceeding. and the question here that's been raised by mr.. mr. fisher, who has been charged under this law is whether this law was intended to apply to something like january 6 and assaulting a police officer or if it was meant to focus more on things like tampering evidence in an official investigation. now so far the liberal justices, they seem very skeptical united and they're skepticism of this argument. and i believe we're
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still questioning as i was listening before, i think that they have wrapped it is unclear exactly how this is going to go. >> the lower courts are divided on this, so yeah, exactly. >> so at the district court level, they agreed with mr. fisher. but when it went up to the court of appeals, the court of appeals sided with the government there, even though they had different reasoning. so of course it ends up at the supreme court, the final word bird a lot of questions about how this could impact former president trump's case. it's not clear that it will wolf he is charged. obviously, he was not at the capital. he is charged with the same offense, but for different conduct related to january 6. we've just see how the justices decide to see if this could potentially have an impact on his case. actually very significantly, paula stay with yes, i want to also bring in some more experts to assess what's going on. legal analysts carry cordero and steve vladeck are both with us as well steve, let me start with you. help us better understand this obstruction law and what's at stake in this us supreme court case? >> sure. what american paulo really did a nice job of laying out the basics. there have
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been, gosh, multiple hundred convictions so far of defendant's relatedness, september to january sex, there are a number of other cases pending and this charge, this obstruction charge under section 15, 12 c2, is one of the most common charges across all of those cases. so if the supreme court were to reverse the dc circuit, if it were to narrow this statue wolf that would require a whole bunch of certainly at least re, sentence ends of defendants who were convicted of multiple charges. it might even require the justice department to abandon someone of these cases. i didn't. that's why for the whole body of january 6 cases, we're watching this oh, carefully. but paul is right with regard to former president trump, two of the four counts against him in the january 6 indictment are about this offense, but wolf, as the special counsel, has already said there are pretty good arguments in former president trump's case, specifically
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that even under the narrower view of this statue, the one that the dissenters in the lower courts would have adopted president trump is still be covered because he actually was involved in efforts not just to obstruct the january 6 proceeding, but to change which the evidence to falsify electors. and so i think part of the interest in politics here is that this decision could have really big ramifications for the lower level january 6 defendants, while perhaps not having the same ramifications for the most visible ones. >> let me get carry into this conversation, carrie, how do you see the justice department's use of this law, specifically this lot of prosecutors, though, those individuals who stormed the us capital well, this was a really important provision of law that the justice department used in these prosecutions. i thought one of the really interesting things that the solicitor general articulated this morning in the oral argument is she explained that in the over thousand people who have been charged in january 6, related crimes, it was approximately
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350 that they use this particular provision of law. and so she laid out for the justices what criteria the justice department applied including the intent that the individuals had the knowledge that they had about the proceeding that was going on in congress itself, to be able to use this particular provision of law of course, the defendant is arguing that it was an overbroad application of this provision of law let's see what the supreme court decides, guys. thank you very much carry a paula and steve appreciate it very much. so let's go back to new york city right now. that's where cnn's laura coates just spoke with a potential juror in trump's hush money trial, who was just dismissed. what are they telling you up there in new york? laura well, thank you. wael, if in fact we have one of the jurors who has now been dismissed. she arrived at jury duty just yesterday, was dismissed today. her name is qarrah magee. i want to turn to her right now. qarrah, thank
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you for joining us. everyone is so eager to understand what it was like to even be called for jury duty today when did you realized that this was the trump trial? so definitely not when i first got the jury letter that was kind of a standard open your malveaux. i'll just like, oh, i have to take off work but so when i i texted my mom and then said, oh like on during uni hunt, she said starting one day and i said april 15, tax day and she said, i think that's when the trump trial starts. so i was wondering if i would be on that or on some other bass at the same time in the building because i assume there's a lot more going on. and then yesterday when i got here and we were put into a jury holding room i didn't seem like there were 500 ish people waiting to get put into two separate holding rooms i had the thought of like this is probably trump because i don't think they call it spending jurors for anything else. >> so what was everyone doing?
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were they realize like you at that point that you were likely a part of the trump jury child pool of people are people talking amongst themselves. where is it? buzz in the air you could feel that people were starting to realize it, but people weren't talking amongst themselves nearly as much as i expected. >> nearly enough. i think everyone had a sense of kind of uncertainty over what the protocols were in this situation. and so no one really felt like they should mentioned it. i'm sure there were some jurors who just didn't we know that this was happening right now or didn't realize that this was what they were called for you could definitely see people looking around like do we'll also get the sense that this is, but not, not really talking about it when you walked in the courtroom and you saw him, is that when you first learned that for sure this is trump trial. and how did it feel to see him in the initial jury holding room? one of the i
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guess employees of the court had mentioned something about it being an unusual de and i i kinda wondered, like, does that mean we're definitely on this case or or just because this case is also in the building. so yeah, it was when when we walked into the courtroom, saw him that it was that i was sure that it was definitely this case. you can make eye contact with you yes. >> yeah. what was that like? >> it's at someone who you've seen as this larger than life if public figure four a decade or so at this point. and for, for people who had followed his business career, i'm sure longer than that. i didn't but then you get in there and it's it's fascinating because as you get these two very contrasting kind of senses at
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the same time, which is on the one hand, it's this like massive sense of gravitas and important because you know that this is history in the making. and whatever the outcome of this is everything going forward will be elected by it and at the same time, you walk into the courtroom and you see trump's sitting there. i had never seen him in person before. you see hidden setting maire and it's like, oh, it's just a guy his, his just a dude what are you dismissed i was just missed because so in the jury questionnaire that you answer the questions too loud there's one question at the end that says, is there anything else? >> might affect your ability to tariff that you haven't mentioned other than all of the questions that they ask and i
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said the nature of my job would make it very difficult. for me to be here from nine to five for at least six weeks and probably longer it's not really something that i can entirely do. you know? >> by myself in the hours from five to whenever after being it was at the reason you thought that they dismissed you, was it clear to you why? >> i believe so? it was right after that question that they tell you why they dismissed you at all? >> no. but it other jurors that were dismissed due to an answer to a specific question. it was always right after that question where the judge asked the two legal teams if there were objection to dismissing the juror so i assume it was not prior questions, but i can't be sure. >> tara. thank you so much for sapping by really informative to understand what's going on inside of that courtroom. thank you so much. every two go back to you off hi, laura. >> thank you very much. in fact, qarrah for us as well.
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both qarrah as who are up there up next as the world waits to see how israel will respond to iran's attack, we're learning that any action could be limited in scope. cnn's anderson cooper standing by live in tel aviv he'll join us in a moment with the very latest developments. and they are significant stay with us here in the cnn newsroom new ally in the fight against climate change. this is new car business blue carbon just need to protect nature will do the rest carbon plus cnn filled sunday at nine a.m. i cry thank you with moderate to severe
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morning, israel is telling the united states that its response to iran's weekend attack will be limited in scope. that according to a senior us official, and we have just learned that israel's war cabinet has wrapped up its fifth meeting since that iranian attack. >> in the meantime, arounds president is warning of a severe response to any further action from israel our anderson cooper alongside clarissa ward are both in television for us right now. anderson, the israeli war cabinet, met again today, give us the latest what are you learning? >> yeah, they met for more than five hours today. we don't know what, if any, decision that may have come out of that meeting today's you said this is the fifth, meaning that they have had obviously there's a lot of divisions within that war cabinet but of competing pressures, both domestically and from, from allies, want to bring in or clarissa ward, there are many different options, obviously that they
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are going to be looking at in terms of response, not all of them necessarily militarily, but certainly the military option is one that seems likely. what they're saying. >> the question is less, if, but when now, right? israel how has made it clear that there is going to be some kind of a military piece to its response. we don't know, as you said, what that will look like. it's clearly something think that they're debating and discussing. this is now the fifth meeting. how many hours every single day there's a diversity of opinions. do you go for a straightforward for tat hit? ron, some kind of military site on the ground. do you go for an asymmetrical attack, one of your runs numerous proxies in the region. do you look at a cyber attack i think what's it's interesting today is that you're seeing a lot more push on the diplomatic piece of this. we've seen israel's foreign ministers. she was saying that he's reached out to more than 30 different foreign ministers trying to create consensus and the region, or even they had
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talked before benny gantz had talked about building regional coalition, those types of things take time, right? they're not things that you can do overnight and there's a lot of hesitation in the region. on the one hand, an agreement that yet iran threat is significant on another hand, horror about what they're seeing in gaza. and so trying to find that sweet spot between sending a strong message or the establishing a deterrent, but also creating consensus and a region that is emphatically anti israel at the moment is not an easy thing to. do. >> you also have this work cabinet, which is deep we divided among the top three people on netanyahu, golan, two and benny gantz. and these are people who have run against each other, competed against each other, didn't talk to each other. and in some cases in different permutations for many years. >> and they are also in turn answering to a lot of different voices as well. the us, israel strongest ally has been very critical most recently about gaza, about warning think of an incursion into rafah. the vibe
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we got straight away after a ron's attacks were don't escalate, urging caution. that's what you're hearing as well from international allies in the west be careful, don't allow this to grow into something bigger at the same time when you talk to people in israel and you listen to some of the voices from the broader cabinet, particularly that right-wing hardline coalition, ben gvir. they're urging for much tougher response, a robust response of 40 let's full response. one, that the finance minister, bezalel smotrich said would make, would resonate across the middle east. so how do you juggle all? those different political calculations and come up with some kind of a coherence sort of goldilocks sweet spot initiative is, well, it remains to be seen. >> and then of course there's the operation in in rafah, whether or not that is going to proceed. and if so, exactly when that's going to proceed. >> again, there had been a sense according to one israeli official who told are jeremy
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diamond that it was imminent that they were basically laying the groundwork that it's now been delayed because the idf is focusing on iran. but there again, you have these competing calculator nations. you have the international community that has been horrified by a lot of what it seen happening in gaza that has been sounding the alarm bell about the importance of finding some kind of safe haven for the 1.3 million people who are currently hunker down and rafah. and then you also have people in israel who are saying, hold on a second, where's the middle? military victory? where are the hostages? how is hamas still surviving in some capacity inside gaza? so there's no easy are clear answer the path ahead here, and it's precisely that instability and that kind of ambiguity around this that has the entire region really on it wolf back to you. it's a very, very sensitive moment right now. anderson, clarissa to both of you. thank you very, very much. you're both in tel aviv important. appreciate it very much. and to our viewers year or the cnn newsroom, the
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in scope, limited in scope. let's get some reaction right now from capitol hill joining us now, democratic congressman jared moscowitz of florida is a key member of the house foreign affairs committee, congressman. thanks so much once again for joining us. so what do you think? what do you think a limited response from israel should mean? >> well thanks well, thanks for having me. well, i think what that means is is that israel is doing what the world has asked and is not trying to escalate the situation make no about it. they have every right to i mean, you're talkingran nding 0 ballistic missiles over to israel. remember ballistic missiles could car a cleapayload if ran, were eveable to get nuear weapon but i thinkhaisrael is doing, working with their partne and you saweally a historic effort working with their arab neighborsthe it states, frae, the uk, rep iran's mar attack, israel h a right to respd. they shoulrespond and they should do so swiftly. but
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obously ant to me sure that this does not turn into a regional issue. >> yeah, that's an important point. speaker johnson says that new foreign aid will not be broken into four separate parts. that means aid for ukraine will now be separated congressmen from aid to israel. would you support, for example? israel only aid bill well, look, if at the end of the day this is about process and not policy. >> i mean, i think it's a distinction without a difference, obviously, it would be nice and neater and faster sure. if we could take the senate bill which has been languishing for months now and sent and get that on the floor, pass it and send it to president biden, who will sign it so that we can help our ally in need, both ukraine and israel. one from putin and russia, the other from iran, who by the way, are linked at the hip but if they if they want to split it up and do separate votes, but the policy is the same. it's basically the senate bill just separated by two or three votes i'm happy
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to do that. if that's what it takes to get it out of this, bobby another very sensitive subject that is emerging right now. >> i know you just told our chief congressional correspondent, manu raju, that you will vote to save the house speaker mike johnson, if he faces removal why the difference between how you and your democratic colleagues handled kevin mccarthy well, first of all, like, you know, it's like groundhog day here. >> well, if i feel like we're at the scene where like it's it's bill murray and the groundhog in the truck driving over the clip. i mean, we've seen this show before what's the difference? the difference is the world has changed, right? the kevin vote happened before october 7, right? the kevin vote happened before ukraine really needed our help against putin. so the world has completely changed. >> that's number one number two is, is that i don't know speaker johnson. well, our politics and policy belief are completely different. but there is no way i'm going to let
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marjorie taylor greene, who wants to secede from the union, take over the house. there's no way i'm going to let thomas massie, who has never voted to help any of our allies. he he would let the ayatollah go right into israel. he'd let putin take all of europe there is no way. >> i'm going to side with these people standby why they let the world burn. i mean, marjorie taylor greene would invite putin to give a joint session of congress speech. i mean, thomas massie literally if the capital was on fire, he'd get more gasoline. so these are not just chaos people. these are people who won to break the world order and sayyed with our enemies. and so look, democrats have have a choice. obviously i defer to hakeem jeffries and our leader. he knows what the best course of action is. and so will all wait as they, as they worked that out. but democrats will have a let them light this on fire and watch it burn. or to get a bucket of water and throw it. and that's what i plan on doing. >> so right now, what's your assessment, congressman, will the house speaker johnson survive this effort by these
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republicans? marjorie taylor greene, thomas massie, republicans to try to oust him. >> well, remember the vote, let will come and they'll make some motion to vacate perhaps. okay. and then there'll be a motion table. >> so we'll never get to the motion to vacate. >> it'll be tabling the motion. so that means we don't ever talk about it. we don't ever discuss it. it goes away. i think that would likely the pass so long as speaker johnson continues to deliver on what he said, which is basically to bring the senate bill on policy divided up in devotes i just don't see democrats would look, we've been in chaos here in 118th congress republicans have played politics with our allies, which has emboldened our the idea that democrats are going to let them do that. i just can't see that happening, wolf. >> a very quickly if final question before i let you go congressman, the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy is now drawing a contrast with how the united states and other nato allies have responded to iran's attacks israel over the
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weekend versus the support his country, ukraine, is receiving hinting at a double-standard that's underway. how do you respond to that he's not wrong. i mean, you heard it from chairman turner, the chairman of the intelligence committee come out and say, he hears russian propaganda from his own republican colleagues, right? >> and don't get me wrong. that's what marjorie taylor agreement. thomas massie you're trying to do here, right? they're trying to do putin's bidding not necessarily directly, but indirectly that to this would help. i mean, if, if speaker johnson goes, we will not help ukraine. we will not help israel. okay. and the house will be forever broken on trying to make sure that we can still keep world order china we'll be more powerful. russia, we more powerful and every country in the world will start looking to china and russia as more reliable allies then than the united states. and so look, this is a pivotal moment. i was happy to hear that speaker says he's not resigning. good. he should have
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resolved. and you should fight these these chaos agents within his party. and we should come together as americans and do what we've always done is be the leader in the world does that moment well, we got to stand up. >> yeah, very strong words that congressman jared moscowitz, a florida thank you very much. and to our viewers, thanks very much for joining me here in the cnn newsroom. i will blitzer in washington of course, be back later tonight, six p.m. eastern in the situation room right back here tomorrow morning, 11:00 a.m. eastern in the cnn newsroom. stay with us inside politics with dana bash starts after a short break there's new ally in the fight against climate change. >> this is in car business, blue carbon. we just need to protect nature will do the breast. >> corbyn plus cnn fill sunday at nine. >> okay. yeah, we got orders coming in, starting a business
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