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today and inside politics, the people of the state of new york versus donald j. trump, right now, the former president and is sitting in a court as a criminal defendant, keeping an eye on the prospective jurors who could make him a convicted felon. >> cnn is inside and outside the courtroom with all of the breaking details on this critical moment in american history and the biden campaign says that while trump is important, biden is running think the country. >> today, he heads to his hometown of scranton, pennsylvania to channel his working class roots and talk about taxes in the middle-class plus quote i am not resigning. >> that's a quote from mike johnson. it was his message to his caucus as another house republican joins the push to kick him out a speaker this now means that if he wants to keep his gavel, they'll likely need democrats to help. i'm dana bash. let's go behind the headlines and inside politics

we start with breaking news from downtown manhattan. it is day two of the first ever criminal trial of a former president. jury selection in the trump hush money trial is moving at a glacial pace, dozens of potential jurors have already been dismissed for saying they can't be impartial, they can't be fair. others were excused because of personal scheduling complex so far, exactly zero, zero jurors have actually been chosen this could take awhile. >> right now, lawyers on both sides are questioning the 800s people who made it through the written questionnaire phase at the jury they're talking about where they work, where they're from, where they live, what they read, whether they went to college, even what they do for fun. >> as for trump p is inside the courtroom reporters in the room tell us that a times he's been looking at individual jurors directly at other times, he appears to be closing his eyes as answers are being read

cnn's laura coates is outside the courtroom manhattan with our colleagues, kara scannell and kristen holmes, laura thank you so much. >> dana is a historic de were in day two now of the jury selection process. and of course now it's really in the thick of it. you've got jurors who were in what's called the box of the court what room they're now being questioned by the lawyers. this written question, yet we've all become accustomed to now is now obsolete, right? there asking questions now to delve deeper kara into how these jurors might ultimately be able to be impartial. >> yeah. the first one of his now the prosecution then one of the prosecutors on the case is now addressing the jury box and aunts asking them questions he has 30 minutes to ask these questions and try to root out any possible concerns that he might be able to identify an enemy per total. is that right? this is 30 minutes to talk to the 18 jurors that are currently in the box and he's talking to them about who they might hear from in this case. >> he said that there are some witnesses who have some edge. the former publisher national

enquirer, an adult film star, and michael cohen, who has already admitted to having lied and he's asking the jurors can you set aside likability and credibility? can you if you don't like the person, can you still find them credible? this or colleagues say that no juror in the box and that they couldn't naibe trying to say shouldn't decided just on what this one person says. anyway, can you keep an open mind until you hear all of the evidence that comes into this case. don't just hang it on one person. the jurors have said that they could there was also questions he asks out of the gate, how do you feel about being a juror in one person responded that he believed he could judge it on the merits of the case, and other said, i don't think my politics matter here. i'll listen to the evidence so they're asking these questions to try to get a sense of how people's with the people's mindset is as are thinking about taking on this responsibility. >> on that responsibility, kris and we spoke with a juror who had been dismissed few moments ago and she described this

dichotomy between the weight of the moment and then serving listen to what she had to say. this was qarrah magee, who has just recently dismissed it's someone who you've seen as this larger than life public figure, four for a decade or so at this point, you know that this is history in the making and whatever the outcome of this is everything going forward will be affected by it and at the same time, you walk into the courtroom don't you see trump's sitting there. i had never seen him in person before. >> you see hidden sitting there and it's like, oh, it's just a guy but chris and this is a guy who happens to be donald trump in manhattan and prosecutors are almost done questioning and their initial 30 minute window imagine that dynamic for many of these jurors for the first time. i mean, imagine it's both

frightening, intimidating, but also kind of stunning to walk into this, you're walking to jury duty. you're sitting here being like, am i going to be chosen for this case and then all sudden it's donald trump, but i'm sure some people had to actually do a double take because he's sitting in a courtroom, probably looks almost like anybody else, not the first thing you do let's look at the person sitting there as the defendant. the other part of this is a donald trump is not just a normal famous person. he is an incredibly polarizing figure and we saw this yesterday when people walked into the room and started giggling immediately burst out or gas and those people obviously ended up being dismissed. but it was interesting to just to see the reaction and the gravity that people are feeling walking into this room. but it's also part of the reason why both the prosecution and the defense are concerned that it's going to be hard to find people who are impartial because when you walk in and you see this incredibly polarizing figure, you also note how this could i, she said change everything and we are still ahead of that november election and this could very well play a role in that election. >> remember one of the questions on the questionnaire

was about the candidacy and the impact of that. but again, these important opinions, they have. now you worry about confirmation bias. dana, to figure out whether or not the person's opinion can be confirmed or double down throughout the course that testimony networks against both the prosecution and the defense somebody who's actually done this as a prosecutor. >> thanks so much to you and to our colleagues, qarrah and kristin appreciate it. laura let's bring in two other legal experts, cnn's senior legal analyst, and former federal prosecutor elie honig, and the director of the harvard criminal justice institute professor ronald sullivan, professor, i'm going to start with you because i just want to get your take on the whole animal trump of it all. and not necessarily about the fact that he's famous. but about the fact that he is somebody less, it's very strong feelings by most americans whether you're very strongly for him or very strongly against him, given the

fact that what is going on right now is one of the key questions that is being asked is whether or not you think you can, as a juror be fair and impartial. how difficult is it to genuinely find a juror who can say yes? >> i think it is very difficult and genuinely difficult to find a juror who genuinely can put aside predispositions and those sorts of things in order to render a fair and impartial verdict. but very difficult, does not mean impossible. and the court this is going to take its time. i know initially you said it's going at a glacial pace and it is and it should be this should take a long time because you actually want to weed out people who are not able to set aside predispositions and biases and that sort of thing takes time. i've tried a case where took us a month to choose a jury. we

finally got one, but it sometimes these things take a while and that's not necessarily a bad thing yeah. >> but i'm suspecting as i bring in elie honig here, that the professor, when he brought it took a month to choose a jury. it wasn't a presidential candidate for president but in the middle of a campaign. and that's obviously one of the major tricks here. who benefits most from all jurors dropping out just before they even pass go. yes. so that was a remarkable moment yesterday, the judge start off with a pool of 96 jurors. and when the judge said how many of you are so bias that you feel like you couldn't possibly sit on this case. he lost over half of that bowl, over 50 of them immediately and i can see both sides of this on the one hand, if you're sitting there, let's say you're donald trump or donald trump's lawyers, you're thinking, boy, that's a pretty stark reminder of just how stack this deck is against us because you have to think that all or nearly all of those

people were biased against trump. it's hard to envision. somebody said, i just love this guy so much. i can't be on this jury that actually did happen. now today. right. but very, very limited especially somebody who self identifies as well. let me outta here right? there may be people who come up in the questioning on the other hand, if you're trump, it's probably a good sign that people are being honest, that people aren't kidding themselves about their ability to be impartial. and as a practical matter, you just got rid of of the 50 or so 48, 49 of them are probably jurors. you didn't want anyway, so i agree with the professor. i think the system will not get you a perfect. there's no such thing as a perfect jury. it will take time, but i do think it will yield a fair jury. >> professor, let's not just talk in generalities. we have the benefit of having a terrific team. there in new york and they're getting information about potential jurors so that our viewers can get a sense of the kind of people who are in the potential pool. one potential juror has read several books by donald trump and also is a member of

the aclu. you can see the media that this juror reads. let's go to another one originally from mexico relatively new us citizen, or works in marketing also has hobbies, travel, scuba, diving, looks like they have the new york times, huffington post, msnbc, that what does that tell you that kind of information, not just about their hobbies, but maybe in this particular case unfortunately for where we are in the world where they consume their media well, that's sort of information serves as a proxy such that the lawyer can try to determine whether or not that juror is going to be beneficial to his or her side of the case. it's imperfect it's more than science or at least equally art and science. but let's take the one you have someone from you said

mexico. and in the aclu those may not have been the two together, but let's use that as a hypothetical. so you might think that someone from mexico would be tagging mystic to former president trump because of his comments about the border and so forth someone from the aclu might also be antagonistic to president trump but someone from the aclu, you might have a deep and abiding appreciation for the rule of law and forth. the presumption of innocence and so forth. and that might be in fact a good drawer. so it's you're taking an educated guess as to who, what kind of juror that may be. it's not perfect, but you have limited time and limited information and lawyers do the best that they can in order to determine who's going to be best for their side of the case. >> and elie, as i bring you and i want you to bounce off of what the professor said. we're looking at a live picture

outside the courthouse. they just took a break from jury selection, so it's possible that we'll see the former president come out. >> let me guess what i'll say. i think comes right. he sort of has his usual the professors right? that when you look at these forms and when you hear the answers from the jersey, a lot of times it's a mixed bag, right? some of the examples there as the professor noted, you can oftentimes interpret things either way. and what you do as a lawyers, you are watching those jurors, those potential jurors, every move they make you're looking at how are they dressed, you're looking at superficial things you're looking at how is the person groomed? does the person have a long ponytail, like what they're things that you can learn, or at least guess based on looking at people if they're holding any reading material, lot of times people, they can't bring their phone, sometimes they're holding a bunk. what book are they reading? i thought was interesting. the first example was somebody who had read some of trump's that could go either way, right? it because i mean the art of the deal, maybe you read it because you think it's this font of wisdom. naibe, you read it because you want to understand where this guy came from. you don't like him and you want to understand his origins. so there's a lot

of interpretation involved here. >> really, really interesting. >> i think we're gonna be talking about this for several days, but it is fascinating to see how. >> listen, this is part of our system and to see how it works and it is very important as both of you have pointed out, elie, thank you, professor ronald sullivan. thank you. don't go away because while donald trump is in manhattan, courtroom, president biden is heading to the battleground state of pennsylvania, that campaign split-screen. we are about to see much, much more of next luck from the nation's capital. one of the most unforgettable nights in dc. >> there's wonderful read back here. >> president biden and committed and comedian collin joseph headline the white house correspondents dinner lives saturday, april 27 at seven eastern on cnn sharp way wraps are packed with delicious ingredients in a pillar we love boss around finally, a

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brushstrokes bottle the line of a gas tank problem of plus one jaime i'm jeremy diamond in tel aviv, and this is cnn when donald trump entered the new york city courthouse this morning, he didn't just attack the judge overseeing his hush money case he also lamented having to be in court at all i shouldn't be written down in pennsylvania and florida in many other states, north carolina, kept painting. >> this is oh, coming from the biden white house prison. he got can 0.2 sentences together. he can campaign visit order to try and win election and, it's not working that place. >> it's working the opposite way before we get to our panel, i want to note that trump's claim about biden orchestrating the trial is baseless. >> the case was brought by a new york district attorney. there's no evidence that joe biden was involved at all. now,

i am joined by our great panel today, cnn's jeff zeleny, bloomberg, and cnns nia-malika henderson and hans nichols of axios. hello, everybody. good to see you jeff zeleny, let me start with you. >> you are out talking to voters all the time and all the states that he just named. and more, how much do you what is happening and what will continue to happen will resonate where it matters most politically, we'll have to see what the outcome of the trial is. >> we'll have to see what how this affects the former president personally. this is not just a random trial about numbers it's about something very personal to him. be we'll just have to it's hard to do, but be patient and watch the political follow this. but i did think was interesting mentioning florida and north carolina. florida is not really a battleground state. perhaps he was thinking about being home at mar-a-lago or this or this season is almost ending. so he is going to miss the end of the season at mar-a-lago, but north carolina is actually going on saturday and that is a

state that the biden campaign is trying to make competitive. it's the bluest if you will, it was the smallest margin of victory for trump. but look, the end of the day, he does not hold many campaign rallies on a tuesday or during the week. so in the short-term, i'm not sure it has any effect that he's on television more now because of what he's doing around manhattan missing the end of the palm beach season is one he maybe could have tried with the judge see how that works yeah. listen, i mean, when donald trump could campaign during the primary, he didn't really campaign, right? i think in some ways, he's sort of overcame painting and he might be just as happy to sit around, maybe not in a courtroom, but certainly sit around mar-a-largo but he obviously wants to make that an issue. north carolina and interesting state they've got a really i think maga governor who's running. i think the biden team i definitely sees that as someplace they can make republican spend money even if they can't necessarily make it

competitive in the general, i will say about this. we don't really know what's going to come out of this trial. we obviously don't know what the verdict will be, but also just the salacious details, some of which we already know, but it's likely that this tribal is going the uncover other uncomfortable allegations and facts around donald trump. >> look, we have a national campaign with donald trump. i mean, he's they're talking, they're doing jury selection, when he's talking to the rest of the jury and the states that he is mentioning and that's so clearly his play here is that he wants to make this a national event. this allows him, in some ways to be all those states when he's actually in manhattan in this curious dynamic about the campaign is it's going to be contested in six, maybe seven states, right? the biden administration and the white house really wants to put north carolina and play, but donald trump is trying to make it national and that strikes me as he can in some ways be in more places than one by being in court and broadcast his message out. now i'm sure you hated the audio, right? i

mean, we will go listen to that in the visual, wasn't what donald trump is a very good television producer. probably hated that audio and forgive me for whoever the technician was maybe they're trying their best, but donald trump likes images. he likes sound and yes, he gets to broadcast the rest of the country the audience, i know that he can't control everything. >> yeah. well, yeah, exactly. all right. >> so he the former president while he was he said, well, joe biden's not campaigning. >> he actually is. he's in pennsylvania today, the topic according to the campaign taxes, what to do about the trump tax cuts that will expire next year, which in a normal election would be a really, really big issue. cnn's arlette saenz is in scranton. >> are let it is a big issue. >> the question is how much? >> campaign sees on this topic yeah, dan, i will president biden today is really trying to draw a sharp economic contrast with former president donald trump as he kicked off this

three days swing through pennsylvania. but he's also spent drawing a contrast when it comes to how they're spending their time as the president will be here in the state on the campaign trail while trump isn't a new york city courtroom facing criminal trial, but the president's focused as for his speech today, will really be on a tax policy, trying to make this argument that the former president is developing a policy that benefits billionaires and the wealthy and not the it'll class we've really seen the biden campaign recently seizing on the fact that trump recently told donors that one of his top priorities, if he's elected to a second term, would be extending those sweeping 2017 tax cuts that he signed into law. those tax cuts impacted all americans. but really benefited the wealthy far more president biden for his part, has been campaigning on raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations while promising not to raise taxes for those families, making $400,000 or less the president is returning here to scranton, pennsylvania, his hometown.

this is a place that he often comes to just try to make that connection with working class voters. i traveled here many times with him back in 2020 and his argument back in that campaign was that it was a choice between scranton versus park avenue heading into this visit, his campaign team has really framing this election as one been between the kitchen tables facing scranton voters and the quote, country club, mar-a-lago vision of former president donald trump. now, tobacco up some of their arguments that the president is working for the working class. they released a new digital video today with some personal testimonials from president biden's family member birth, and close friends from when he grew up here in scranton, take a listen grant and is a set of values we pride ourselves on the importance of family. >> and honesty and hard work dreads and really i think is the case study four or what president biden has done since he's taken office four years ago, we were distressed. we're out of financial distress as a city for the first time in a

long time, we have a president who understands normal middle-class people like me now this also all comes as biden is trying to move the needle with voters who had pessimistic views of his handling of the economy, but pennsylvania certainly will be one of those critical states to biden as he is seeking reelection as polling here recently has really shown a very close race between the two candidates are thank you. >> and over your shoulder, we see tax fairness for all americans that clearly is sort of the bumper sticker takeaway that the biden campaign wants everybody hey, to have with this event today. thanks. or led and on that note, i was talking to somebody at the biden world this morning's. okay. the president potentially you could argue, like almost stopped world war three over the weekend. we know that there is a very big desire by a lot of swing voters to hear more or about reproductive rights the economy is a tough one for him. why this and the answer is what

you saw in that sign. they actually believe that of all the economic troubles that people are feeling the, we're going to make taxes more fair for you is a potent one that's actually moving the needle a bit and it allows him to throw the conversation forward, right? racing joe biden is doing is trying to turn this election into a choice and not a referendum. now, over his shoulder, its tax fairness. i didn't see bidenomics over her shoulder unfair. maybe he'll say it, right. maybe he'll come out and make a big full-throated defense of bidenomics. and you mentioned that, but anytime they can make this more about a choice he saw the president. it is sort of knee-jerk response to the inflation numbers and then the white house later really went into it that you think inflation is bad. now, wait until donald trump is president. now that's a fine argument. they can make it, but that's a different argument. then the argument before which was we understand how like how much you're hurting. here are the things that presidents doing. they're trying to just make this into a contrast and we're going to have that for the next six months. that he's trying to sound like a

populist, right? this idea that donald trump only cares about his rich friends who are down in mar-a-largo, who are donating millions of dollars to his campaign in joe biden, the kid from scranton, he cares about just average joes and jains out in the midwest. and so we'll see if it works. i mean, their problem is that if you look at pulls, the advantage that it has on the economy, it's like 20. >> let me just, let me just quickly bring that up just one example. the wall street journal, this is about pennsylvania where the president is today, trump 50 to biden 35% right? on the economy. >> so for all of the noise in this election about a criminal trial, there other issues, has certain foreign policy is very important, but it is the economy that this election could hinge on. and i think what haunts said about this being forward-looking, the president has been kind of other been some conversations with his team about how much you want to talk about his accomplishments versus what people want to know what you are going to do. that's what

all of this is about by entering conversations. geoff means raging debate. >> we're trying to get readouts on, but you're right right. that's the thing. so look, that's what he's trying to do here, but also significant, he's back on the campaign trail. donald trump is not. >> yeah, that's very true. everybody standby up next potential jurors are packed into a manhattan courtroom as the court is trying to find the 12 men and women who will hear the case against donald while trump or live outside that courthouse next new ally in the fight against climate change. >> this is new car business blue carbon. >> we just need to protect nature will do the rest, boom coordinate. >> plus cnn filled sunday at nine to test the toughness of the key is sorrento expo, and the key is sorrento turbo-hybrid. we recreated some of the wettest spring hottest summer wendy is false and

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serfaty in washington in this is cnn back to our top story, donald trump in a manhattan courtroom. right now as jury selection continues in his hush money, criminal trial, the former president's legal team is now questioning potential jurors about their opinions of trump, attorney todd blanche said, quote, you're not going to offend me me or the court or even president trump cnn's laura coates and kara scannell are still outside that courthouse. qarrah. >> and laura, what else are you hearing there, are so many big moments that are happening right now inside of the courtroom before behind us. >> and in so it's so consequential kara, because to have these jurors be questioned by the defense counsel, by the prosecution. >> this is after that original questionnaire. >> this is a very, very tedious process, is very lengthy. one one juror was asked this question about what her opinion of donald trump, in fact was

here's how she responded. i don't really have one, especially in this courtroom. i think he'll be treated as anybody else and no one is above the law. so i am here to here the facts on both sides. i remember this is a potential juror she may be in that room right now among the 18, but that doesn't mean that she'll actually sit. >> right. they are doing each side has 30 minutes right now. the prosecution finished their 30 trump's lawyer, todd blanche is up doing his 30 minutes, underscoring to the jurors here. he said this is ordinary serious. this is very serious, and president trump in the courtroom. and so he is saying to them, as you said, he wants to know what their opinion is. one juror, a male juror said if if we were in a bar, i would tell you my opinion, but in this courtroom, i don't really have a strong enough one to get into it with you. so they're trying to figure out what people's view here is of trump, because they ultimately want to know if they like them or not, if they can put it aside. and what they'll stay on that. i mean, the one juror who's in there who is a

prosecutor, said he understands that the prosecution's job is to have to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. the also said that he has several friends and law enforcement who are pro-trump. so we're learning a little bit more about who these jurors are and the world that they live in. >> this is a kind of speed dating. is it not when you think about it, dana and trying to figure out how all this is going to go down. and of course, the his jurors may or may not ultimately be the ones to sit here. if you have questions out there about the trial, you can just go to cnn.com slash trump trial questions and you type in your question there and we will aerate and lara coates live tonight at 11:00 p.m. dan are really important that's very cool that you're doing that very cool definitely be sure to tune in tonight to lara show at 11:00 p.m. eastern coming up. the effort to oust house speaker mike johnson is now growing with another hardline republicans supporting coming first woman, marjorie taylor greene's effort to take johnson's gavel away will give you the latest information on

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that someone would bring a vacate motion when we are simply here trying to do our jobs. >> it is not helpful to the cause. it is not helpful to the country. it has not helped the house republicans advance our agenda, which is in the best interest of the american people here here cnn's manu raju is on capitol hill, you've been talking to lawmakers all morning. obviously, my new this is about in the short-term, the politics for mike johnson, but we shouldn't lose sight of course, of the fact that ukraine and ukraine's allies both here and abroad have been begging mike johnson to do something quickly so that they don't lose to russia yeah, this has been going on for months and months and months and just about two months ago is when the senate pass its own foreign aid package that mike johnson's sideline as he tried to come up with his own strategies, he tried to win over republicans. >> and just yesterday, he announced that strategy saying that he's going to move forward on separate bills for ukraine, for israel, for taiwan, and another bill that includes other policy measures, including a ban. i could be

something that could eventually lead to a ban on tiktok. but here's the catch is expected that the house will use a hello mentoring maneuver to essentially put all those bills and together in one package and send that over to the senate. and that is what's causing a lot of nx within the gop ranks, lot of republicans, particularly on the hard right, have said, there should not be another dime for ukraine. they do not want to tie this to aid to israel. democrats the white house what it all tied together, because what they say is an essential, it's actually an emergency for ukraine. they say that this money is needed right now. now this all comes, of course, as the threat to vacate the push out. mike johnson is growing. in fact, thomas massie, the who is a kentucky republican, announced behind closed doors that he would support that this effort by marjorie taylor greene to push out my johnson from the speakership, any called on johnson directly to resign. and i asked him about the interaction in a tense exchange behind closed doors you want him to resign, you want him to resign? >> yes yeah. i asked him to

resign. >> he is what he's he said he would not. >> and then i said, well, you're the one who's going to put us into this because the motion is going to get called, but not a big fan of this well, i liked individual votes, not a big fan of putting them all back together. >> what about the motion to vacate rejoice? >> and we don't need that. no way. no way. we've got we don't want that can, we shouldn't go through that again so you're seeing a difference of opinion there from to conservatives on the right flank of the republican conference. >> of course, jim jordan's being one who's influential within a lot of a lot of republicans. but it's interesting to hear jordan there while he opposes this effort to push out my johnson, he also is a pose to what the speaker is trying to do here. you are seeing a lot of divisions among republicans at this critical time because there's a question here, dana, can, how long did johnson survived? ended mike johnson even have the votes to get this measure out of the house by the end of the week, which is his goal. so just so many things that are riding on these key decisions pigeons at this moment, but a very precarious time for the speaker, almost,

almost speaker jim jordan, there saying, no, we should not do this again, the dynamic among democrats, particularly those who are the most vulnerable there are several of them who are stepping up saying, you know what, they would potentially vote too? help mike johnson because it would help them in their swing districts. what's the dynamic there? >> yeah, that's right. yeah. it is interesting dynamic, much different than what we saw with kevin mccarthy and all republic democrats voted with eight republicans to oust kevin mccarthy. this time is different. several of them, including tom suozzi of new york has told me that he will not vote to oust mike johnson, jared moscowitz said he would not support marjorie taylor greene's effort to oust him because he does he disagrees with marjorie taylor-greene. i'm pretty much everything whether another member would come forward push out my johnson, then he said he would evaluate on that regard and then there are others who say that if he does move forward on aid to ukraine, that will be enough for them to save mike johnson's speakership abigail abigail spanberger being one of

them. so a different dynamic, your dana, but how will the numbers add up? will it be enough democrats to save him? what will that democratic leaders do on that key vote? so those are all key questions that are coming in the days ahead okay, i'm glad you got those comfortable shoes on every single day, mano. >> thank you so much for that great reporting panel is back here you're publication has a very simple headline. i'll put it up. i mean, i didn't write it or you didn't write it but it's still simple. >> very apt. we are screwed well, actually i did write that one look worse this is going to be incredibly complicated. i think manages did a great job breaking it down and we're really just this is basic math at this point. and whether he is going to survive for every republican that johnson loses, he's got to find a democrat that's willing to come out to the side and that's why the shoe leather or hopefully comfortable shoes that menu's wearing are gonna be so important because we're just gonna be running around trying to figure this out. >> i can we just please take a step back and say this is not

like the most agreed just political move that mike johnson could make in the grand scheme of things. what he's trying to do is provide money for a democracy in europe under threat. quite literally under siege and this is what he is getting. >> it's called governing. it's called legislating. it's called carrying out the functions of your office, which to some in his conference is not positive, but i think one difference here is from the mccarthey thing is just the time in the season we are and we are during a presidential campaign pain season. there's very little tolerance or less tolerance to what of motion to vacate and throw the speaker out again, i'm not saying it's not going to happen, but when the former president had speaker johnson at his side, just a few days ago, that was the indication of guys leave him alone, let him do his work we'll see if they fall with the presidential election

closer to the day that every house member is on the ballot? yeah. no. i think that'll make some difference. i mean, it is remarkable that the reason that these republicans are so up in arms about ukraine. funding is because of president trump and he is our approach to putin his approach and feelings about russia. so here we are seeing them do his bidding again treating him like he's a president, in exile in so many ways. and my johnson in a place that i thought, you know, listen, six months ago, it was imagined that he would be here with his speakership on a line and likely it'll happen again and again. >> okay, up next, a supreme court case that could mean many january 6 defendants could go free and it also may make it harder to prosecute donald trump will explain after a quick break bought the i'll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i'm a cat as back on a few other things to start of with the sound system

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court just heard arguments in a case that could undermine the charges against hundreds of january 6 rioters and even potentially donald trump and trump isn't involved in this case, but it could have implications for him. >> cnn's senior supreme court analyst, joan biskupic, sat in on today's arguments. she is also the author of nine black robes inside the supreme court's drive to the right and it's historic consequences. wish i wish i should say is that in paperback today thank you so much for being here we just said you just came from this report down the street? yes. can you help our understand why this is even a thing, why this case even made it at all. certainly after the supreme court, yes. >> more than 300 of the january 6 defendants were charged under this provision. it's a 2002 law that was passed in the wake of the enron accounting scandal. and what it does is it punishes anyone who corruptly

destroys evidence or, and here's the key part that they grappled with today. otherwise, obstructs influences or impedes any official proceeding in the question is does anyone who's charged under this provision have to have done something to taint wreck, spoil destroy evidence at an official proceeding, the federal government says, no, this is this after the word otherwise, is a bit of a catch-all phrase. and this can cover anyone that was involved in january 6, who knew that official proceeding was going on and try to disrupt it. now, dana, i have to say the questions from most of the justices, from the conservative bloc that dominates suggests that they think the government has gone too far in it's reading of the statute and that it would end up applying as samuel alito said, in a hypothetical, maybe two disruptions in the supreme court, or maybe to peaceful protests outside so does the

upshot, if you're reading what you've done this many times, i've certainly trust your reading of the justices. if it's correct, and they're skeptical and they side with the defendants here. could they be let out of jail and what would that mean for donald trump? and the indictment of him? >> no, most of these people, including donald trump, are charged under multiple classes. so it could mean less jail time for some people if the court rules against the government here or for example, in the case of donald trump, special counsel jack smith has said, even if you buy the argument here from the january 6 defendants and say that some sort of evidence connection with some records or documents has to be included here. they could go back and recharge him because they say that he he proposed fraudulent electoral count documents and that would meet the definition. we're at a time, but quickly clarence thomas, he wasn't there yesterday. he was there today. no sign. he is going to recuse

no. no. no alleged and bob ginni was at january 6 rally, but she did not go to the capital and he has not recused himself and not said anything about why dana joan. thank you. i feel so much smarter now. oh, is when i talked to you. thank you. thank you. i appreciate it. and thank you for joining inside politics, cnn news central starts after the break you. >> want to. close out should i normally, i'd hold but taking the games of smart here right feel more competent. what's dog ratings from jp morgan analysts in the chase app, when you've got a decision to make, the answer is jp morgan wealth man

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