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symbolic traditional ceremony were actresses dressed as high priestesses, lighting the olympic torch that is wild >> olympia was the home of the ancient games for more than 1,000 years. the earliest recorded games were held in 7706 bc for reaching the olympic cauldron in paris on july 26, the torch is expected to be passed from hand to hand. by some 10,000 torch bearers. so keep an eye out for that. we were talking about all the different sports that are in the summer olympics. and there are some that i was shocked to learn still exists, trampolining jumping on a trampoline, i guess for points. is that what it's for? is it time? yes. we'll find out your break dancing this year is a big one. used to be called breaking breaking. yeah. yeah >> they're used sprinting canoes, sprinting apparently what else? there's some really odd stuff that i didn't realize were sports. it gives me inspiration, maybe, maybe i can you don't want should be an sport tossing to the next ow on difficult, it's hard.
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you'll see the little tougher starts right now donald. >> trump's. legal. team. you've been warned the lead starts right now the omg moment of the day, uh, judge's stern rebuke in the new york hush, money cover up case against donald trump. what mr. trump did this time, that god, judge merchan's so riled up smack dab in the middle of the jury selection process, plus a, deep divide on the us supreme court on display today as justices challenge whether prosecutors had been overzealous using an abstract some charge against january 6 rioters. it's yet another case that could impact donald trump and a valedictorian speech cancel the criticism about the muslim student that led to objections on the campus of the university of southern california welcome
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to the lean. >> i'm jake tapper. we're going to start today with our law and justice lead quotes. i will not have any jurors intimidated in the courtroom, unquote that stern warning this afternoon coming from judge juan merchan talking about donald trump's behavior during de to of his hush money cover up trial in new york city. the judge's is management came during the meticulous jury selection process. today is lawyers from both the prosecution and the defense consider one by one each and every potential juror deciding who they want to kick off. >> that >> during part of that questioning, the judge says trump was gesturing and speaking in the direction of one potential juror. a clear violation of court rules as all of this plays out in the courtroom in new york, we have also just learned the first six jurors in the case have been seated let's get straight to cnn's kara scannell, who's live outside the courthouse in manhattan care >> this is the >> third trial you've covered with donald trump has the defendant, this behavior by trump is something we have seen
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before yeah, jake, we have seen trump react to things in the courtroom, both in this trial so far and jury selection and also in >> the e jean carroll defamation case, trump was admonished by the judge in that case for speaking audibly during testimony by e. jean carroll herself. i mean, today we heard trump react audibly and started gesturing in the direction of the juror. this was a juror who was brought in for individual questioning to be asked about a post on social media of videos showing a type of celebration the jury there was questioned trump's lawyers believed that this was an anti-trump event. it was around the 2020 election which trump lost to joe biden and the jurors said that she was just filming a new york celebration in the streets. the judge saying that he believed this juror could be fair. he said it looked her in the eye and thought she could be fair and impartial despite posting this video. so he refused to excuse her for cause, but this is just the de to of this trial. riley were already seeing the former president reacting, the judge warning him that he will not
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allow any juror to be intimidated in his courtroom. >> and qarrah, these potential jurors were directly asked how they felt about the defendant while he was sitting right there in the room tell us about how some of the mansour yes, we heard a lot of different answers from some of the jurors here. one of them had said that what she had observed about trump's, she said president trump speaks his mind and i'd rather have that than someone who's in office, who you don't know what they're thinking another juror had said, there is very little we probably agree on policy-wise. sometimes i get frustrated with it, like anybody does. i have family members that support him. we managed to have a decent conversation about that. i mean, that's one thing that we did here. different juror saying that they have friends, they have family members that were pro trump, that they were positive on trump's. so it was not as much as trump believed that this jury pool would be filled with new yorkers who are against him. one juror just kind of reacted to the essence of trump's saying he walks
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into a room and he sets people off one way or the other. and i find that really interesting. this one guy i can do this. so jake, we're hearing jurors have their impressions of trump trump's lawyers trying to dig beneath that to find out if anyone has a bias. again, its try one more. >> can you tell us about what the potential jurors are saying once they're in the room with donald trump there continuing to try to ask questions about their views on trump and what they think about this prospect, this >> trial, we did to hear from one juror who was excused because she said she wouldn't be able to miss work for six weeks. here's what she told us >> on the one hand and it's this like massive sense of gravitas and important because you, you know, oh, that this is history in the making and
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whatever the outcome of this is everything going forward will be affected by it and at the same time, you walk into the courtroom and you see trump's sitting there. i had never seen him in person before. >> you >> see hidden sitting there and it's like, oh, it's just a guy >> jacque, as you said, six jurors have been seated. we're about a third way there. they need 12 jurors and six alternates. the judge is bringing in a new panel of jurors this afternoon. jury selection will continue today for a bit more, and then it will begin again on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell. thanks so much. let's bring and build brand and he served as an attorney on our 2022 trump organization case in front of the same judge as this trial, also with us caroline polisi, a federal and white-collar criminal defense attorney bill, when we spoke yesterday, you warned about what you called the most dangerous kind of juror, the the person who tries to look in present perfectly on
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paper, but actually has a secret agenda. now we're saying seeing some jurors struck for cause, including one who said that they thought they could be impartial. but in the past had tweeted, lock him up. how much work goes into digging into the past of these potential jurors by the prosecution and by the defense? >> well, jake, i think we do the best we can within the bounds of ethics. and our abilities. the court gives us a lot of information, social media, which is an all of the cases i'm handling the list, saint 15 years gives us a lot of information and it's beijing, what people will post on say, facebook or instagram and the like. but i liked the fact that i'm hearing these years are interactive. speaking their mind and in a sense, what i hear this juror said this or president trump's stood up and said that really the takeaways
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in this case is the glass half empty or is it half full? you've got six jurors seated on day one. that's a >> huge, huge win for everybody >> i'm shocked >> at six years are seeded this fast. >> yeah, to >> be a third done with jury selection already caroline, potential jurors are being questioned about media social media posts made six years ago, seven years ago, eight years ago. is there any statute of limitation for social media posts, given the amount of time this past i mean, there were people who hated trump in 2015 who are now going to vote for him and vice versa. >> yeah, absolutely no, there is no statute of limitations. and just to your point, i can guarantee you that trump has a team of lawyers, paralegals, jury consultants just scouring through these potential jurors, social media. you see the alacrity with which todd blanche noted this. this one particularly killer juror, we're talking about about a social media post from years
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ago, but that's not the issue, jake really there are bound to be obviously the majority of these people will have strong views about trump that you're just never going to get around that the issue is whether or not you can put those feelings aside and be fair and impartial. michelle i agree with bill if i'm if i'm that offense here, todd, blanche, and susan necklace, they're worried about that one stealth der that is not being candid on these self-reporting questionnaires, that that is not answering those questions truthfully in order to get on the jury and have their mind made up already when one way or the other, it's more were in manhattan more likely than not, you'll you'll get you may get a never trump or that is never going to vote to acquit but those are the real issues when you get a high-profile case of this nature and bill, the judge scolded trump's actions, apparently, he was motioning and pointing and speaking in towards one specific potential
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juror, the judge, telling trump's attorneys that he will not have the kind of behavior in the courtroom. he called it a witness intimidation of some sort. you've been in front of this, judge. judge merchan what do you make of him? what do you make of how he's handled this so far? >> well, i'll say this year i wasn't in the room, so i just have to guess a little bit. i spent eight weeks with joseph. were chutkan. guys did gentlemen be smart? he runs a tight room. i'd like to know what time of the day that occur because we're all human beings, jake, we get tired. but president trump is it just ticulate? he speaks with his ends. i mean, that that's what he does and i i doubt very much that there was any attempted witness intimidation. it was probably just president and trumping president trump. and i'd be i'd be surprised if it happened at 9:30 in the morning. i wouldn't be surprised if avenue three in the afternoon, it was >> yeah, it was two 30 in the
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afternoon there you go. pretty good. if this was a >> then jake of this was a pleasure to be a good >> judge merchan being seen as overreacting. i mean, this is a former president i karolina prompt and i know there's for carolina, i'll come back to you and get your thoughts too. carolina yeah >> i don't envy judge merchan's position. he is he's really in an untenable position with just a very unique defendant here absolutely. there are sort of escalating measures you can take we've. seen with the gag order, obviously how he's going to go down that path. the most severe consequence of which for violation would be throwing him
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in jail. that's never going to happen. no judge wants to be the judge that throws a former president in jail and logistically, it would be a nightmare. but in terms of during the trial, he does let's have the option of putting growing him out of the courtroom, which i think president former president trump might not menn mind actually mille, your thoughts karolina zolan money. i my caygle is we're old it's like switching hats >> president trump was the most powerful man in the >> world for four years. he's out former president trump, judge bar john runs that roman i'll run it. it'll run it very serious demeanor if he feels that anybody is violated the rules, fill take action, but i don't think i'll overreact i my prediction is the takeaway of today is six jurors in the box edge, huge
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maybe six tamar. this case moves on. everything's going to be fine. >> go brennan, caroline polisi. thanks. thanks so much to both of you coming up the fireworks on capitol hill. as yet another house republican says he wants mike johnson out as speaker here are the comment made today to cnn's manu raju, that next signal johnson's days might be numbers. >> he would present a trauma about the motion to news night with abby tonight at eastern on cnn >> from meat free monday to sizzle so many ways to save life ready, while it happy, that's three, by whole foods market. there are over 7 million us businesses on tiktok >> i'm sarah, as rich and the life management director at independence village as senior living community and walkie, iowa, everybody here are really, really make you feel like family and that they love you. >> our goal with tiktok was to
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called. >> and then >> he's going to lose more votes and kevin mccarthy >> maybe. >> let's talk with manu raju right now. manu first of all, let's start with the alleged offence, asieh and marjorie taylor greene. they're upset because speaker johnson is going to allow a vote on foreign aid packages that have already passed the senate, right? and he's, he's actually doing it the way a lot of conservatives want him to ukraine as one vote, israel's one vote, taiwan as one vote. >> so >> what's the offense here? >> well, they're upset a whole series of decisions that johnson has made, including his deal to keep the government open, as well as to allow the passage of a key surveillance law in on this issue is still unclear. the problem process by which the speaker will move this forward. in fact, there's an expectation that each of those bills that you just mentioned could actually be lumped together as one big package and ultimately be sent to the senate as one big package. and they don't want to spend a die more on ukraine aid
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when i put the question to marjorie taylor greene, herself about what she thinks about mike johnson saying that he will not resign. she hopes a pressure of this resolution to oust him will push them from the job >> what was your reaction? the speaker saying he's not going to resign? >> well, certainly of course that's what you'd expect them to say right now. but i think maybe as little time goes by hill realized that it's really the best choice. >> either concept of another motion to vacate is an utter waste of time and frankly, distraction from really important business. what do you do by the speaker >> strategy? ukraine does it make sense to display all these up and kopan altogether? >> in a word? no >> look, the reality is, you have to keep in mind and president biden asked for ukraine. president biden asked for israel. president biden asked for pay calmer taiwan and president biden supports the changes to tiktok what are republicans getting out of this
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>> i think it's unlikely i would support vacating. >> we'll see. >> i mean, the big thing is i want to vote on ukraine that last comment is important, that's coming from a democratic congressman, adam smith. we do expect some democrats would vote to save mike johnson here, which is different than the situation that be felt. kevin mccarthy, but the timing is still uncertain. in fact, green and massey, jake are indicating that they have now not made a decision about when to pull the trigger. move ahead with this vote, saying they want to try to line up a successor first, but that's easier said than done. >> all right, manu raju. thanks so much. my panels with me. so eva mckend, speaker johnson, not in a great spot here. and you heard congressman massey say that he thinks if there were a vote to vacate that more republicans would vote against him, then voted against mccarthy. that's only eight though, we should point it was eight republicans and all the democrats. i don't know that the democrats are going to join in now. >> i think that this is
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different this time we have seen democrats illustrate a willingness to bail him out but listen, i think that this is telling congressmen massie he did not support the effort to oust mccarthy, but republicans, they feel deeply upset. they thought that in congressman johnson they got reliable conservative ally. the fisa, their surveillance authorities, something that they have railed against and for years, something that he could have put up a fight against and actually even joined together with some progressives in congress to quash that. he didn't even fight on that. and so that is why you see this. i think groundswell of republicans willing to take him down at this stage. it could be another big mess in the house mike, you heard republican congressman marc molinaro, are there saying he he's not going to support this effort to get rid of johnson he thinks it's a waste of time. do you think that's where most house republicans are? >> i don't think there's a groundswell. i think that for the most part you've got a
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speaker who is listening to the will of his conference and as moving forward with that will two members, unfortunately, we've got a one seat majority here. i would like to see some more democrats step up and actually voice that we have the business of the american people to do and we're going to move forward. we've got an election coming up. let's get to that point. i don't see more republican ken's throwing in and the number eight that you got thrown out with mccarthy? i don't see where we get to that number, but marquis, one thing you just said that i wanted to point out, which is you said if democrats step up and talk about getting back to the business of the country that says to me, republicans note that is not a message that they're interested in instead, they are interested in distorting distracting, dividing clicks raising money. they're not actually interested. all >> of them are just the marjorie taylor greene time. >> but that but where's the pressure from the ones who truly care about that? where are they exerting pressure on? on their colleagues to then
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say, guys, remember, we're all up for reelection. we've we're going to have to show we did some work for the american people, not just this performative set that actually americans know is not about them. it's about the menn, when you're interested in clicks and social media, and how much money you can raise. you don't care what your colleagues are saying. >> of >> course, those colleagues are stepping up in private let's cut this out. but those few individuals in a very small majority have a very strong voice. if i will say this if the democrats take control in a majority that's similar i think that they're going to find that they have individuals in their caucus that act the same way. we have not had a majority party with this small of a majority and think since the 1940s where they, would, they, would, they tank, would they get rid of their speaker though i guess there's a question now, let's assume that it's speaker hakeem jeffries. you're talking about. let's say the squad or whatever. >> do you think that they would be >> willing to get rid of hakeem jeffries because i doubt it.
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>> well, i think you're probably right, but i do i think that they would gum up the works and really stop legislation going forward. agree with absolutely. speaking of gumming up the >> works i want i want to just bring them some we have so much to cover today. thank i'm going to come to you, eva, because there have been all these big pro-palestine anti-israel protests around the country. there was the golden gate bridge was blocked yesterday, i believe republican senator tom cotton of arkansas tweeted this. i encourage people who get stuck behind the pro hamas moms blocking traffic, take matters into your own hands. it's time to put an end to this nonsense that a few minutes later he edited the post. he added to get them out of the way, clarifying, take matters into your own hands to get them out of the way. then he followed up with another tweet that read quote, how it should be done, and there's video of a person an individual dragging protesters. there's a video dragging process, so i guess he's trying to make it clear. don't run over them with your car. bro stretches.
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>> but i mean, i >> kinda shocking it doesn't shock me because senator cotton has a long history of making comments that many would deem to be problematic. i remember when he said that slavery was a necessary evil he's especially made comments that many view to be problematic when it comes to race. but listen, he has political aspirations that are beyond the senate. i'm talking about the presidency. i'm talking about the supreme court. i've seen him out on the campaign trail and battlegrnd state and so he is speaking to aery particular constuencwhen he kethese nds of comments. >> well, people stuck in traffic can sync allorts of things, but i'm mostly surprised that senator cotton used a video from france in australia, who was the piping that was a video from the french protests in paris. but beyond that, a look he is i am a free-speech believer and i don't believe that his tweets were helpful to this >> however
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>> individual folks that get caught in these traffic jams, especially when you have protests that haven't gone through all of the proper permitting and all of that and are basically there to disrupt as much as possible to your point, that level of frustration boils over. i can see why he put that out, but he's a smarter politician needs to think through an elected leader that is shameful rhetoric from an elected leader. let's remember, that's on january 6. he talked about anglo-american jurisprudence. i mean, going back to some of the themes that you were talking about. and again, what does america were democracy? what do we do? we're for free speech, so it can't just be free speech for maga people, but not for people who protest. >> other thing. i mean, blocking traffic on the golden gate bridge is a pretty extreme thing to do. >> it is, but there there's lawn for a way to hand over enforcement, knew what they were doing. they don't have a handle it. you don't need a senator saying again, using rhetoric that some will view as permission to be violent, period, full stop.
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>> thanks, one and all will see you in the next block coming up. the disturbing comment that invoked jesus is metal detectors jesus, i'm sorry, jesus metal detectors and murder at a city council meeting that as an activist facing charges plus y, the university of southern california's shutting down the commencement speech planned by the valedictorian that the school picked >> harlem had everything. but i couldn't find pilates anywhere. we i started my own studio and with the right help, i can make displayed by law even better, earn up to 5% cash back on business essentials, chasing business cash card from chase for business why always the couch >> doesn't need to get a puppy school. get his little puppet diploma we've been spending all this little can i when your questions about life turn into questions about money? there's erica, the virtual financial
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this generation is so dramatic! move with xfinity. way to reduce sugar >> on jeremy diamond didn't tel aviv and this is cnn in >> our national leah on the >> middle east and the passion at all brings out shortly after usc named asna tabassum valedictorian, a group called trojans for israel. it's a pro israel student group at usc criticized usc's decision saying, she quote,penly traffics anti-semitic and anti-zionist rhetoric tabassum instagram page is currently listed as private, but in her profile, she links to a site that does call for quote, the complete abolishment of the state of israel, cnn's nick watt is live in los angeles. nick, you just spoke with the
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valedictorian. what did she have to say? >> well, jake, the main thing she had to say is she does not believe one bit that this is about safety and she says that she is going to continue a fight to be reinstated as the speaker she also said that she wouldn't tell me exactly what the speech was a bad she said she still working on it, but she said that the basic theme was hope but whether or not i planned to speak about palestine, speak about any sort of conflict in general. i think is besides the point, the point here is that the university preemptively made a decision not on the basis of safety, but on the basis of potentially other factors i think impedes on my freedom of expression that jake there were individuals and groups who called for usc to withdraw the invitation and are now thanking
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usc for doing so. they are pointing to that site. you just mentioned which she links to from her instagram page that site does call for the complete abolishment of the state of israel and also called zionism, a racist settler colonial ideology. i asked her about that and she said that she posted that link three years ago and she stands by it and she said she posted it in the spirit of trying to inform people and to generate academic discourse. but grew groups like end jew hatred, which fight to keep jewish students safe on campus. they call it anti-semitic vitriol and say that language like that just feeds into what they call a cycle of violence that sees jewish students on american campuses targeted and harassed as use gone into any more detail about why they consider this the safety concern. what are they saying about their decision to cancel her commencement speech >> they they wouldn't give her a specifics about the threats.
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they wouldn't give us specifics, but they say that tradition must give way to safety. and they say this to be clear, this decision has nothing to do with freedom of speech. there is no free speech entitlement to speak at a commencement. the issue here is how best to maintain campus security and safety period. listen, we've seen american campuses just embroiled in all of this over the past few months. and it looks like like this issue at usc is not over yet. she's fighting to be reinstated. the groups that fought for her to be taken off the commencement speech podium. they were also not going to give up. so watch this space. >> all right. nick watt, thanks so much. appreciated. about 120 miles north in bakersfield, california, a pro-palestinian protesters facing charges over this moment before the city council of bakersfield last week hi there. >> my name is ready patel. i'm here to speak in support of the city council introducing a
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ceasefire resolution specifically the one united liberation front has drafted. i don't have faith that you'll do this. you guys are all horrible human beings and jesus probably would have killed you himself you guys want to criminalize us with metal detectors, will see you at your house while murder you you guys want to criminalize us with metal detectors will see you at your house, will murder you on friday. ms patel was charged with 18 felony counts, including making terroristic threats and threatening a public official. she's pleading not guilty and is due back next week under gonzalez is on that city council. he's also the vice mayor of bakersfield because they're for the exchange. so mr. gonzalez, what was your reaction when she said what she said >> oh, shocking was chilling and honestly, it was horrifying to a lot of us on the city council i just couldn't believe it and it wasn't a tell the city attorney actually shouted.
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that is a direct threat that we kind of came to terms with. the reality that what had actually been said and it was stunning we've heard many comments in the past that are very colorful and in nature. but never a direct threat like that >> today, patel's public defender responded to cnn's requests for comment and said, quote, many people saw this threat for what it was and did not think it was credible specific, immediate, unconditional, or the other features which would have made it other than anything other than constitutionally protected speech ms patel is passionate about many political causes, and she is well-known in these circles for being an outspoken advocate, but never for being a violent one, unquote. that's from jacob evans, the deputy public defender. what's your response? >> well i've known of ms patel for quite some time. she's come to the city council on various different issues and has again, use some pretty
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outlandish language in the past. unfortunately i've also been out in public with a friends and for example, won one time out to dinner with a friend and ms patel came to my table and cost me out basically, part of the whole crowd. i mean, this is someone who has demonstrated that type of behavior that we've all grown accustomed to but never had she saying that she was going to go to our homes and murderous >> that is >> that's taking it to the next level and something that really is concerning as special, how does one way? >> the >> issues of people getting passionate, heated saying things that they maybe they don't mean with the fact that you have every right to not have your life threatened just because you're a deputy mayor doesn't mean that anyone is allowed to do that. no one's allowed to do that to the
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president. no one's allowed to do that to donald trump. certainly no one's allowed to do it to you. how do you how do you weigh that >> well, you know, first and foremost, want to hear from the community. we want to hear from our constituents throughout bakersfield were growing city. we have lots of new opportunities, certainly lots of challenges. >> we will want to hear >> from all four corners of our city and old community groups. and we've tried to afford it so much opportunity as possible and the public comment period and of our council meetings is the probably the most appropriate way to address concerns into we listen but when a public speaker, what any individual comes up and says, we will go to your house and murder you for me, that crosses the line. that's a very specific statement it is jarring. >> there's a city councils of job. all of us are working in either nonprofits are working
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fire we're doing this because we care about our city. we care about it's what we want to better health >> and >> so to receive a threat like that for many of us, it's like i said, it's jarring >> vice mayor andriy gonzalez, thanks for joining us today. really appreciate it from russia and ukraine to israel and iran our next guest has unique perspective on why there are so many tens global conflicts right now and the role of the united states, those situations we'll be right back more real estate professionals list properties with realtor.com >> than any other site really really trust the number one real estate professionals trust. download the realtor.com >> today
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security correspondent for the new york times. his brand new book, new cold war's china's america stled to defend the west is out toy in highly, highly recommended davidi you'veraveled e wod withou five us presidentst you and you', you're the ft that you ow all tse players is annteresting part this book because you talk about sitting down with this per five weekser, yo prediction. you dos place, et cetera >> how do you thinjoe biden is handling this tindeox in >> yeah th one's are rely hard. one to manage. and obviously he started off with a really rough start and afghanistan, i think in the book, edged that he did a quite go job bringing the allies together for ukraine and revealing the intelligence publicly and advance for, this one, it's been one frustration after another, but most of the frustration has been dealing with bibi netanyahu. and
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there's no way that contain him. there's been bad blood between these two for a long, long time. and this is, of course, netanyahu's last akre. he's gotten nothing in his future. so there's very little leverage. the us has. i think one of the big changes, which is clear from this nine years ago, when we were negotiating with the iranians on limiting the nuclear program. >> yes. who was sitting on the us side of the table the chinese and the russians, right? in this era of new cold war's they are on the other side. the russians need iran to provide them with drones. maybe with missiles holes in the future, together with trying to, they're part of the axis of resistance to the us. that's the big change that's taken place here. yeah. you could have put her on the cover of the book along with china and russia. there kind of hinted at. i feel like the kremlin today confirmed that putin spoke with his iranian
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counterpart part president ebrahim raisi, the kremlin described this weekend's attack as a quote, aggravated situation. now your book explores the idea of a world unified, a western world unified by western liberalism, which, which turns out to be something of a pipe dream and aspirational role, but maybe not an actual fact how else is putin leveraging that misplaced post-cold war american optimism that everything was going to be good now >> this is a book basically about failed assumptions and the assumption coming out of the cold war was russia and china each for their different reasons, would follow their economic interests that putin at the end of the day, cared more about getting as oil and gas flowing into europe than he cared about territory. that was fundamentally wrong. and we missed many of the signals along the way in 2007, he went to munich security conference. he said there are parts of mother, russia, peter, the
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grades, russia, that should be part of russia today. and we're going to solve this. and no one really listened to him seven years later, he took crimea. no one really sanctioned him for a year until an airplane was shot down by the, by the russians. and the net next year, the german sine, chancellor merkel signed the nord stream two pipeline deal right around ukraine and said putins are reliable supplier. so what is latam here? putin supposed to think jake, other than if he takes all of ukraine, we're going to complain about it and go away. >> yeah. and we're about to go >> find out whether he's right get on that point. and in fact, >> he gave a speech in which he said the fall of the ussr, the soviet union was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century. >> that's right. but people also think that he wants to restore the ussr. as i put in the book, he thinks the people who were running the soviet union were idiots because they gave way too much authority to the red of the socialist republics, ukraine included and
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his position is ukraine is part of russia, which by the way, was also the position that donald trump's taken with his staff and many others. >> yeah. >> you write in the book, there is never a clear line between old world and the new, between traditional conflicts and modern ones. and you note the president biden entered off with office with a relatively stable world order four years later, of course, not looking very different two wars, the us is involved in israel and the between israel and hamas and russia and ukraine. there are fears a wider war in the middle east with iran. >> how much of the >> blame can be put on joe biden >> so some of it can i mean, i think that the way that we got out of afghanistan, i say in the book, getting out of afghanistan was the right thing to do. we did it in the worst possible way. i think that may have somewhat encouraged putin. and also made jiajing paying think the united states is not ready to get involved in wars
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and conflicts elsewhere. think biden, as i said before, did a good job and rallying the world to go do this but the fact of the matter is we have to think of ourselves as a superpower that is fully engaged. if we're really going to fill these vacuums and the hard part right now is you have parts of the republican party that have clearly gone isolationists, parts of the democratic party that aren't so enthused about these conflicts other than the one with russia, because they believe russia tried to fix the election for president. drugs that turn the democrats all into hogs so he's having a hard time corralling that, and then meanwhile, you've got a group of european allies who on the one hand, say all the right things. but i just spent three months living in berlin the german people, by enlarge thinkable, will get past this ukraine period. and things will be okay with russia, will
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embrace them again, the elites all have the view we are in this for 20 or 30 or 40 years defenses that will match that what worries me is the elites are probably right here. i think we are back in a world that will be defined by superpower conflict. >> the book is new cold war's china's rise, russia's invasion, and american struggled to defend the west. the author is david sanger of the new york times. thanks so much. and congratulations on the book. thank you. great. read up next the desert country, they got a year's worth of rain in half a day. but first, we're on trump watch this hour waiting for court to end for the day, possibly get donald trump's reaction is some juror first have been picked for the hush money to cover up trials, stay with us >> you said a lot back, which scott's so refraction, it gets three jobs at one's killed
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