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evening, national security adviser jake sullivan said the administration will impose new sanctions on iran in the coming days in new york min time of busy second day of the first criminal trial ever former president, seven jurors have now been chosen. the judge warning trump for speaking and gesturing in the direction of one potential juror and legal observers token note of his pretrial remarks this morning, which some suggest we're incriminating. that is not all he said after the proceedings away from the courthouse, he was asked what his ideal juror would be anyone that's fair. he replied when he was asked this and the answer he gave was 100% in character >> de believe >> after after so we begin with and productive and eventful second day in the trump trial cnn's kara scannell is >> outside the courthouse in lower manhattan and joins us. so as we mentioned, karen for their now seven jurors seated or the proceedings moving along quicker than expected
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>> yeah. understand. the judge kept the potential jurors here for an extra hour we're today as he is trying to move this along and keep this on schedule. as you said, he seated seven jurors in the case so far on the quest to get to 12 jurors and as many as six altered he had pushed for them to answer these questions and put keeping the trump's attorneys on time. >> all of >> this came as we are now at a entire full day of questions >> it's this like massive sense of of gravitas and important because you, know that this is history in the making. >> the perspective from one dismiss potential juror as dozens more filed into a manhattan courtroom tuesday, seven jurors have now been seated the seated jurors include an irishman and sales, a female oncology nurse, a female english teacher at a charter school, a female software engineer, a male owner
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of an it business, and two male attorneys. the jury selection strategy for both parties taking shape trump attorney spending the afternoon digging into the social media post of some potential jurors to restrict for cause one for a social media post referencing trump and lock him up when a prosecutor asked the juror if he still believes trump should be locked up. the jury answered no. trump was seen craning his neck toward him and flashing a smirk. judge juan merchan issued a stern warning to trump after he visibly reacted to a jurors answers about a video she posted on social media he warned trump's lawyer, your client was audibly uttering, i will not have any jurors intimidated in the courtroom. that juror was questioned outside the presence of the others about a video she posted on social media showing an outdoor celebration quotes spreading the honking cheer around election day 2020. she said it was a new york celebratory moment. trump's lawyers suggested she was biased the judge said he
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believed the juror could be fair and didn't excuse her. trump's attorney, todd blanche, telling those in the jury pool, quote, it's extraordinarily important to president trump that we know we're going to get a fair shake. one juror said he finds trump fascinating because he walks into a room and he sets people off one way or the other. blanche seemed amused with the response. another juror said she learned for the first time tuesday that trump has been charged in three other cases prosecutor joshua steinglass, address prospective jurors, asking them to set aside any strong feelings. he asks each to consider if they would be able to look defendant trump in the eye and return a guilty verdict. if the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, trump up here to look at the jurors, tilting his head once or twice as they were answering yes. according to pool reports what do you know about how engaged and alert the former president it seemed today because yesterday, maggie haberman said he appeared to doze off yeah.
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>> at times anderson and donald trump had his eyes closed. but at other points, he had the jury questionnaire that written document in his dan following along as a jurors were being questioned. and when his lawyers and the prosecutor's had the 18 jurors in the box where they each side had 30 minutes to pose their questions. donald trump appeared to be following long, even turning his body to look at this, to pay attention to try to get some sense from the jurors of what they were thinking >> kara, scannell. thanks so much. sure. when he's now to former federal prosecutors, jeffrey toobin, jessica roth, also jury consultant. alan turkheimer. so geoff, you predicted last night that this child would move along and typical fashion and here we are tonight's seven jurors already seated. does the pace even exceed what do you expected? >> it does. this is really fast and the judge suggested he didn't say commit, but he said today that he thought opening statements could happen monday and remember there's no court tomorrow. he doesn't sit with a jury on wednesdays so he thinks
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the jury will be will be filled out and in two more days >> as i >> said last night, you know, people don't follow these cases as closely as we think they do. >> they're >> obviously aware of who donald trump is, but based on the answers they did seem like a group that could listen to the evidence and reach a verdict, not based on prior feelings about the defendant. >> just go what do you make a potential jurors who who seemed to be trying extra hard to convince the attorneys that they can be fair. would that raise a red flag to you or should that approach to citizenship be commended? >> i actually think it is to be commended that people are saying that they think they can be fair and impartial, notwithstanding some statements they've made in the past, perhaps on social media pertaining to the former president. i think what has to happen, those that the parties have to evaluate whether they think that that they actually is true, that the juror can put aside any previous feeling but i think that it is to be commended that people are taking seriously what the judges telling them, which is that they would only be seated
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if they could actually put aside any prior conceptions and decide the case based solely on the evidence but i also think it's good that the lawyers on both sides can look at the social media posts because that is an indication of people's true feelings. they obviously weren't posting on facebook or twitter thinking that they were going to be on the jury. it's a good insight into what they it really believe and both sides deserve the right to know what people really think about issues relevant to this case. >> yeah, i would say the process is working as it should. i mean, that's really what we're seeing unfolding alan, the foreperson is we know as a man from originally from ireland, works in sales as he gets his news from the new york times daily mail, >> fox and msnbc. >> what do you think? >> he will bring to that post? and is it it's not unusual, obviously, in the city as big as new york to have to have jury members and afford person who's from someplace else originally
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>> that's new york. it's a melting pot of people from all walks of life and a lot depends on what the personality is. now you might have jurors inclined to go one way or the other, but now it's really about the influence that each side things are going to have in the deliberation. and what really struck me is not to minimize the contributions of other jurors, new yorkers are usually fully engaged. >> you have >> two lawyers that are already seated, and that's a risky proposition. for both parties involved, could cut one way or the other. but some might think that this is a jury of two right now. now, i'm not saying these lawyers are going to just dominate, but jurors, the other jurors will look to these lawyers for guidance and if something comes in a fellow juror makes an argument about something extra legal, it's on as an evidence a lawyer might shut that down and get them to focus or lawyers like to argue so if there's a sullivan to one or ten to two, if there's a contrary and personality by this lawyer, that lawyer might just keep the deliberation
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going. it's very interesting you know, anderson about a decade ago, chief judge judith k, created a system where almost all exclusions, all exemptions from jury service were out. there. lawyers, we've both served on juries. i mean, everybody serves in manhattan in all of new york state now. and so you get a much more upscale jury. in particularly in manhattan, which has a lot of high-income people in it then you used to because there's so many fewer exemptions from jury service >> just got i mentioned what would some some of the former president had to say outside of court today about the alleged hush money payments at the heart of the case. i just want to play a clip of that i was a lawyer wanted damaged legal expense account i didn't know marching >> down is legal that's
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exactly what it was >> and you've been indicted over them incriminating. >> yeah. so that was an interesting statement. i don't think we should overstate how incriminated get was his name? he signed some of the checks to michael cohen reimbursing him for these fees when he started to say i marked it down as legal expenses, my ears perked up because it's been a little bit unclear exactly how the state is going to prove that trump falsified the records because many of these entries may have been made by the accountants for the trump organization and cohen was going to go apparently gonna testify that trump was part of the scheme to falsify. it seemed there that trump was saying that he marked it down as legal expenses than it seemed like he caught himself and said the accountants marked it down. so he may still argue that he was essentially relying on the advice of the accounts or the accounts entirely on their own one, we're marking it down as legal expenses. remember, the whole case is >> about the falsification of these business records and trump has potentially the argument. look, i run a
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multi-billion-dollar company. i don't know how the accountants how the bookkeepers record things that's that's gonna be a big issue in the case. how how is the government can approve that trump knew and initiated or at least supported the idea that these payoffs were recorded as legal fees he said, mark them down. now as jessica said, he sort of caught himself, but, you know, that that video could be played before the jury. no question. >> alan, i'm wondering if there was a juror who said that they were found trump fascinating that when you walked into a room, people knew who he was and we're kinda divided. is that somebody and that person was kept, is that somebody you would have chosen? if i was >> working for president trump? yeah, i probably would have. i think a lot of jurors who are excluded have the exact
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opposite view. and this jordan say that they find him repugnant or repelling or anything like that. he has this aura about him and i think a lot of his fans have a sense that he's on his, is this other level and they're an author himself, somebody you this is the word fascination. yes, i think that could very well be a good juror for phil, was it wasn't a mistake for the prosecution to let that juror on i can't say that there might have been other things about this. jurors personality or other things and other questions that they thought might be that this juror might but generally, yeah, i mean, it looks like a good juror for trump. just knowing what we know. >> remember the prosecution only gets the only get ten peremptory challenge and so you have to be careful how you use them up, because if you use up all of your peremptory challenges on people who have some concern about, you may have none left when you have somebody who you ever really
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grave concern turnabout. so it may be also that the prosecution is just sort of holding on to the ones they have left her when they're really, really worried about somebody >> geoff are the former president's physical reactions in the courtroom going to be a problem for him i mean, today we know he was admonished, as we said, for audibly murmuring, gesturing towards a juror you'd. also apparently perk up when a potential juror mentioned reading one of his books or being a fan of the apprentice. >> but what i mean, this is so different from donald trump's day-to-day life where he is nothing but in control all the time. and, you know, he's a very outspoken person to say, to say the least. he is famous for interrupting people and he's got to sit there and only speak when the judge gives them permission to speak, which as the defendant will not be very often unless let's he takes the stand. so i think it's going to be extremely uncomfortable experience for him. he's been involved in many civil lawsuits over his his locker long career, but he has not been in the courtroom
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for most of those lawsuits for any length of time. and i think sitting there having to be silent and behave himself is going to be excruciating for him jeff toobin, jessica raphael, intercom are really appreciate having you all on. thank you one other interesting courtroom note. these first two days, not a single member. the foreign presence family has been there with them. that includes his wife, melania. the headline today's new york times money trump avoids the courtroom. but, but it said to share her husband's angry barry more now from a randi kaye the wall street journal reporting that a lawyer for president trump arranged a hefty payment to an adult film star. >> why? >> because of an alleged >> sexual affair when news of donald trump's alleged affair with adult film star stormy daniels first broke. what did his wife, melania? you do? she jumped on a plane and headed for mar-a-lago in palm beach, away from all the drama that was january 2018? i spent a ton of time with her with a news
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was breaking about stormy daniels when those came out that he allegedly had these affairs and she didn't take it lightly at all in the wake of the allegations, she broke tradition drove separately from her husband to the us capital for his state of the union address later that month the white house at the time said the unusual move was so she could attend to reception with guests in the first lady's box but remember that state of the union was her first public event since the wall street journal first reported that an alleged hush money payment was made to stormy daniels before the 2016 election for her alleged affair with trump in 2006 that would have been just four months after millennia gave birth to the couple's son, baron. >> hello, everybody. >> donald trump has denied the affair took place yet now finds himself in court fighting allegations that he made payments to cover it up. >> this is an embarrassment to him four with his family and more importantly, with his
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wife, melania, like the former president millennia believes the hush money trial is unfair. that's according to the new york times, which spoke with several people familiar with her thinking back in 2018 when the stormy daniels story picked up steam, former aide stephanie grisham remembers donald trump calling her from air force one to discuss millennia to basically see how angry she was, and to see if we were putting any statements out, he definitely was worried or she's the one person that i think donald trump really fears. >> she's also the one person whose advice he may listen to about whether or not to take the stand at his trial. >> i think behind closed doors as a husband and wife, she would probably say, look, if you have nothing to hide, take the stand type of a thing >> this certainly wasn't the first time mrs. trump has had to manage a very public personal drama involving her husband nearly two years before the storm, even you'll story, there was the access hollywood tape. >> i did automatically attracted to beautiful. i just kissing them. it's like a magnet when anderson cooper
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asked melania about the 2005 tape in october 2016, she dismissed it >> agreeing with her husband. it was just locker room talk. >> people think and talk about me. like oh, melania. oh poor melania. >> don't >> feel sorry for me don't feel sorry for me. i can handle everything >> randi kaye cnn, palm beach county, florida i'm, more. head >> tonight on this, including a fresh look at what voters make the charges across the country, but also in the single most trump-friendly county and the 2016 and 2020 election a conviction in this case change their view and their choice in november. and later tonight, the shape and israeli counter strike on iran could take, we'll hear from a former head of centcom ago potential targets and a ron's defense capabilities as are covered from israel continues plus more on the late word we got tonight from the white house, but i'll come in new sanctions on ron
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men to say very serious. there's also the question of whether this trial has the potential of changing any minds among the former president's staunchest supporters which is why our gary tuckman went to texas and the trump is count county of the 2016 and 2020 elections >> in the 20 cover of k and ron swart settled in along with us and they're living room to watch coverage of the trump trial jury selection one group went through the effort to make a large parade style banner reading. >> no >> one is above the law. >> they've both voted for trump twice >> what is your feeling today about >> donald trump's moral character? >> it's terrible. i can't get much lower than it is. >> they live on a hilltop ranch in roberts county in the texas panhandle, where 96% of the voters chose trump over joe biden, 2020. the highest trump percentage of any county in america he continues to make crazy comments about being a dictators first day and
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>> repercussions against people who have, he tells have wronged him. >> we met this couple during a visit to roberts county last year they told us then they liked mike pence and ron desantis. but with trump, the only republican left standing. things have gotten complicated. if donald trump is found guilty of one of these crimes, whether it's a miss trial happening right now, are one of the trial future? do you think he's fit to be president of the united states? >> i don't think he's fit, but i'm voting for him >> i feel like we've not going to be able to roundness four years over the democrats in charge. >> rick mcdonald's, someone else we met last year in roberts county. he told us then he liked ron desantis. >> if donald trump >> is found guilty the criminal charge >> do you think he's fit to be president of the united states >> he's as fit as the current
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president because nobody investigates joe biden, nobody's gonna investigate joe biden. >> in roberts county. the current president is often prominently mentioned when you ask questions about the former president you think donald trump is of low character? and poor morals and ethics. >> oh, must, must definitely. you don't think he's fit >> to be present is found guilty, >> yeah. you're going to vote for him. how do you address that? conflict? how do you vote for a man who you feel so >> i feel like is wrong is it's going to be to have him for president. he still going be a lot better presidents from the united states. then what we're going, where joe biden had democrats here in roberts county and the 2016 election between donald trump and hillary clinton clinton received a grand total of 20 votes four years later, joe biden received 17 votes this is a 19-20, nine model, really and this actually use here roberts roberts county, what susan
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bowers is the cure of the roberts county museum and the county seat of miasma in 2020 here roberts county, only 17 people in the entire county voted for joe biden >> were you one of them? >> yes, i was. >> she says she has quibbles with some of what president biden has done and not done. but unlike almost all of her fellow county voters, susan bowers is not giving donald trump any benefit of the doubt when it comes to this trial, are the ones still to come is a disease, an ethical he's a criminal. he belongs on reality tv if that thank gary joins us now, are most of the people you've talked to paying close attention to former president's new york trial well first of all anderson should tell you that there are many people here in this county who don't think there should be any trump trials that being said, almost >> everyone we talked to is well aware of that these proceedings have begun this week, but that awareness would be at a much higher level here. and elsewhere. if the
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proceedings were allowed to be televised courtroom. >> of >> course, not anderson >> yeah. >> gary tuckman. appreciate it. thanks very much. perspective now from cnn political commentator list of foreign griffin, let's, it doesn't surprise you that some of the voters, gary's spoke to don't think trump is fit to be president, but still plan to vote for him even if he's convicted in a trial. >> no, fascinating is always been absolutely models conversations on having with republicans let's if there's one thing donald trump has done incredibly effectively this campaign cycle, it's defining joe biden as the enemy. so he set out to kind of create this vision of the hellscape of america that we can't survive four more years of instilling fear and voters so that they're able to say something like donald trump is a morally bankrupt person, but it's still better than four more years of joe biden. and biden hasn't quite yet drawn as a stark of a contrast that i think has really locked in his voters in the same way that trump has. it's very, very effective there's this recent reuters ipsos poll showing that 24% of
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republicans would not vote for trump if he's convicted of a felony by a jury, >> do you think the trump campaign has taken that number seriously? and do you think that's even true? when people may say that to a pollster. but when it gets down to be a binary choice, like some of the people there, they said they'll vote for him anyway. >> so less than this number models cnn and cbs exit polls as well from the primary that quite a large sum of republicans would have an issue supporting donald trump. a few is a convicted felon. >> but >> what i would be interested to see is if it i'm when it's specific to the hush money trial and after we see this trial play out, because january 6 documents, case unquestionably, i think that would move a lot of republican voters and it's also why it's so important that at least january 6 be able to move and go to trial ahead of the election. but i'm already seeing kind of the movement of republicans saying hush money. the hush money case doesn't matter so even if voters say the idea of voting for a convicted felon goes against what i stand for. it's going to matter how republican elected officials respond to this case.
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and i expect we're going to see the usual whether it's elise stefanik outside allies of donald trump's who are going to say this is a witch-hunt. this isn't serious. it's a wrongful case brought against him, and that will i think sway public opinion with republicans even if he is in fact convicted >> there was a new york times-siena college poll were women were twice as likely as men, 40% to 20% to view the charges it's very serious that does the gender split at all surprised either? >> no. and i actually would pay attention to that number. so the facts of this case, as we know, its campaign finance, it's about business records, but some of the more salacious aspects which i think we're going to hear about as the trial starts to get into motion. the allegations obviously of cheating on his wife when she was pregnant, things like that, stay in the mind at the voter and i think they sit worse with women perhaps than they do male voters. now, of course, the public has been familiar with this case since 2018 when it was on our radar. but i think we may see some deeper details
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from it as this trial plays out, that we're going to hear about and that's where i think that there's going to be major movement. women are one of the biggest obstacles for donald trump heading into his reelection were 50% of the population, but he's struggled in the primary women's split more heavily when given the opportunity for people like nikki haley. and this could definitely heard him >> if this trial were ultimately de in an hung jury, would that be as good as an acquittal in terms of political benefit >> yeah. i think donald trump would be able to frame it. is basically a vindication and exoneration. that's what he does. he's a brand or if nothing else i think that he knows how to market something to his favor, especially to the core audience that he's trying to reach this republican voting block that he needs to win over well as far griffith next so much. >> thank you. coming up more breaking news, new us sanctions plan for iran plus the top is really general already has said or weekend attacks, quote, will be met with it the response, the question of course, is when and where the response will look like the latest next new
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prepared to target or ron's of missile and drone cyst operations as well as entities that are working working with the irgc and iran defense ministry. this announcements from sullivan comes just a few hours after treasury secretary janet yellen said earlier today that the us was prepared to use sanctions and other tools at their disposal to try to disrupt a ron's de-stabilizing activity in the region. now so much of this as being been done in coordination with allies around the world that sullivan said that in addition to the us imposing sanctions in the coming days, they do expect allies will also impose actions of their own. and he said in a statement, quote, we will not hesitate to continue to take action and coordination with allies and partners around the world and with congress pull the iranian government accountable for its malicious and destabilising actions. now, he administration has signaled that they were working towards these sanctions since yesterday, but the speed with which they're working, the
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fact that they announced this so quickly that they do expect them to come in the coming days really highlights the sense of urgency that the administration she was taking out this time to try to respond to iran's attack >> what else? the white house announced today related to iran >> yeah jake sullivan also said that the us was still working to try to integrate air and missile defense systems in the middle east as they're trying to counter iran's drone program there. now, it comes, we saw some of those defenses, missile defense systems in action over the weekend after the us and allies, a worked with israel disrupt around 300 missiles and drones that iran had sent their way. we also know that the president had a diploid of some naval destroyer ships to the region and that there are missile defense systems used. a us missile defense system to use to try to target some of those missiles. but what we've also heard from president biden sources have said that he indicts keda to netanyahu, that the us would not participate in any counter-strike against iran
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in response to their attack. but what administration officials have continued to stress is that the us will stay on ready to defend israel going forward as well >> all right, or lead time to appreciate it. thank you. also, tonight is really sources telling cnn that the heated debate inside israel's war cabinet over how and when to respond to this weekend's attack by iran has delayed its gaza ground offensive in rafah, israel's war cabinet concluded his meeting earlier today, the fifth such meeting since iran's attack without giving any additional details about what may come and when exactly any retaliatory strike me. you may come our chief international correspondent, clarissa ward joins me here and tell him we've there's obviously we've been waiting now for four days for word of what may occur. no resolution that we know of out of the meeting today. the still it seems like all options are still on the table >> yeah, it's so interesting, anderson, because yesterday i feel like we were having this discussion and then it really seemed like some kind of a military response was imminent
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today. the emphasis seems to be very much on the diplomatic track we've been hearing a lot more israel's foreign minister, israel katz, he talked about having a flurry of meetings and discussions particularly with european union foreign ministers ahead of their meeting tomorrow he is pushing hard to sort of sees the momentum really tried to isolate iran diplomatically, trying to push for the iranian revolutionary guard corps, the irgc, to be prescribed as a terrorist organization in a number of european countries, unclear if that will be any subtraction around that idea. but certainly the focus seems today to be on this coalition building, trying to come up with some sort of unified diplomatic response the military piece is still on the table and it's still anticipated, but it seems that there is much more of a question mark as to the timing of it. and still of course, the big question mark as to the scope and scale of it with a
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lot of people in the region understandably nervous and anxious about what that would pretend, what direction that can potentially take this conflict. >> there's also, there's jordan there shortly rabia, which took part in the defense of israel, essentially protecting their own airspace during the iranian attack they clearly don't want to be putting the position of yet again, having to perhaps take part in the defense of israel if israel retaliates against get wrong, i think for them they're walking this very, very narrow line. fine right? because on the one hand, they don't want to be seen as taking israel sayyed, they don't want to be seen as supporting anything that israel does right now with everything going on in gaza. another drone strike today in gaza, 13 people killed seven children and they know that for the people in their countries, it's impossible politically to kind of try hi and garner support around that. on the other hand, they view iran as a massive regional threat, and they are deeply concerned. so you have
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this kind of push poll cool effect where they're trying to thread that needle of forming a robust response and deterrent to iran, while not being seen to condone israel's handling of its war in gaza. it does feel like there was a kind of brief moment of sort of the potential to build some kind of a regional coalition jaw the israeli daniel hagari roy gory last night in the program was talking about a lot of israeli officials are pointing to that even without naming jordan and saudi arabia for fear of offending them. but, but pointing to that that's a kind of a potential harbinger of the future, which is interesting. and then i think you've also seen not officially, but still the vibe from a lot of these countries has been a little bit of pushback i'm not like hold on a second. from jordan's perspective, we were just defending our airspace. we are not interested in formally endorsing israel's defense are participating in any way, shape, or form even if we do
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see the broader threat 11 increasingly belligerent iran because award thanks so much. >> perspective now from retard >> general kenneth f. mckenzie junior, he's the former head of us central command, which oversees us military operations. activities in a number of regions, including the middle east. he's also the author of the forthcoming book than melting pot, high command and war in 21st century, that comes out in june journal mackenzie thank you so much for joining us to senior biden administration official telling cnn that the united states believes that israel's military response to ron strikes is going to be limited in scope. what is limited look like in this context >> i understand. i think the israelis face the delightful conundrum. how do you take advantage of a great victory? because what happened over the weekend was a significant victory for israel it's true friends, united states, and other nations across, across the region. and it was a loss for iran. so how do you take advantage of that and i think they need to be very careful and then need to think strategically about the long
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term. you don't want to waste the goodwill that's been built up by this surprise. massive raneen attack that failed, you we want to keep good relations with your neighbors because you need the access to basic, the overfly that gives you your strategic depth. so based on that, if they're going to respond militarily and that's i don't know that that decision has been made. i think just listening to reporters before me, i think it should be something that is short and sharp with a clear beginning, a clear end, a very cern able, understandable, objective, and it would also be something i think that needs to emphasize ongoing israeli technological mastery over iran, which was illustrated to a profound degree over the last few days we've heard some threats already from ron saying if israel retaliates that, they will strike back >> bigger than before that they will do it in seconds. do you i mean, is that saber rattling? is that bluster? >> well, the readings always talk better than they fight for
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one thing. but i suspect if, if israel strikes them, i suspect that strike back. it will be harder for them to go larger than the effort that they launched over the weekend. they could probably possibly duplicate some elements so that i don't know that it would occur in seconds. i think think that's just hyperbole, but i'm certain that they would strike back. yes. i believe that they would, but again, i go back to the point that was proven this weekend, israel isn't very hard target. it's very hard target for ran to operate against. and that was driven home in very, very vivid terms over the weekend and you think it is possible for israel to craft a response that restores deterrence without escalating to a wider war. >> so where we are right now is a the core of a deterrence in my view. and this is not shared by everyone, but in my view is not the threat of the nuclear program. it is instead, they're ballistic missiles. their drones, and their land attack cruise missiles, which over the last ten years they have built
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staggering numbers of stars. there population to do that, they've actually functionally placed a higher priority and spinning for that, then on the nuclear program. so over the weekend, the weakness of that deterrence was laid bare. the iranians are in a bad place today. they need to recalculate the basic concept of their defense on the other hand, israel's in a pretty good place. they fought a defensive battle. they won the defensive battle. >> i will >> tell you by temperament and personality they in many other people don't like to win defensive vowels. sometimes it's hard to walk away from that. but again, to take the long term, the strategic view today, israel is in a much better place in regards to deterrence then ran is a ran is in a very dangerous place and the highest priority for iranian decision-makers is now, and has always been pres, preservation of the theocratic regime. >> and >> they have to view that now is a little shaken by what happened because the principal tool they use to cow and threaten their neighbors just israel, but also the gulf
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states and other nations has now been exposed. the other, the other act that bears on the problem is everyone else in the region now knows and understands how to do air defense. now, israel has some advantages geographic, a great distance from from iran and we shouldn't rule the importance of that. but a lot of other nations and the rage are now increasingly interested in a program that's been going on for some time, which is increased air and missile defense in the region, all targeted against the principal threat, which is a rant retired general candidate for mckinsey junior. thank you so much. also. i apologize. i think i mispronounced the title of your book. i will show it again. it is the melting point high command and wore in the 21st century, it comes out in june. we'd love to talk to you about it when it comes out. thank you >> can we have next washington were republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene now has an ally in her effort to boost house speaker mike johnson and the former president has just weighed in on whether. he'll help johnson keep his job
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aviv and this is cnn on, capitol hill tonight, congresswoman marjorie taylor greene has one. they're supportive and other republican lawmaker for her motion to vacate the speakership of mike johnson is of course, the new congressional leader of her party after it took three weeks of chaos to elect him after the ouster now, former republican house speaker kevin mccarthy possibly here we go again. we'll have more on that right now from cnn's manu raju >> i asked him to resign republican congressman thomas massie announcing today, he would support congresswoman marjorie taylor, greene's resolution to oust speaker mike johnson, accusing him of betrayal the conservative cause johnson firing back. >> i am not resigning. it has not helped the house republicans advance our agenda all in the aftermath of a series of deals, johnson cut wood democrats, including to keep the government open, we authorize a key surveillance law and now brushing aside warnings from his right flank as he seeks to advance billions
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in aid to ukraine. >> and now congresswoman >> green is on the attack. >> there are others behind massie as well. >> johnson's defenders warning greene and massey, we'd be very bad idea. >> now the concept of another motion to vacate is an utter waste of time. >> i think it would be horrible. i think be horrible, horrible for our conference. i think it's horrible for the country to johnson sun can only afford to lose one gop vote along party lines meaning he would almost certainly need democrats to save them. >> i think it's unlikely i would support vacating it. >> we'll see. >> i mean, the big thing is i want to vote drone ukraine. >> the gop revolt comes as johnson now it says long-awaited plan to advance a foreign aid package. after sidelining the senate's $95 plan for more than two months johnson's new plan split up ukraine, taiwan in israel, aid into separate bills and add to it other policy measures such as a potential ban on tiktok
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but through an arcane procedural, the house could end up sending those bills to the senate in one big package. angering hardliners who don't want to spend a dime more on aid to ukraine >> i'm not a big fan of this >> well, i liked the >> individual votes, not a big fan of putting them all back together doesn't make sense to just put all these up and common all together in a word. >> know what are republicans getting out of this? plus anger on the right >> since the plant won't include border security measures, the speaker previously demanded. >> the fact is not having the border in this plan is a wholly unacceptable i just it's not acceptable yet despite these words from donald trump last weekend, mar-a-lago, i stand with the speaker. greene says, she's still wants johnson out. >> his comments on friday, >> didn't change our approach. no. no. and as a matter of fact, there's more people that are probably like i'm going to be angry from whatever happens this week >> in modern join three. now it's just figured johnson was just at mar-a-lago. we saw your
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peace last week. trump back tim trump was asked it's about johnson today. what did he say? >> yeah, his comments were a little bit different, little bit noncommittal. in fact, he was asked if he would protect mike johnson. he said, quote, we will see what happens bins with that, he did go on to say that he thinks he's a very good person. now, anderson, there's so many questions in the capital right now about whether mike johnson could survive in the long term? as speaker the house, especially if democrats prop him up, if he, that is the case, he would be willing to be a winnowed, very weakened position. there's already some expectation that even if he does survive as speaker to the end of this congress, that could certainly change at the beginning of next congress. and there could be a leadership fight to succeed and there's already speculation and some maneuvering behind the scenes over some of his top lieutenants who could potentially move in run in any situation where there is a leadership vacuum. so just another sign of the instability in the gop ranks. six months after the ouster of kevin mccarthy anderson.
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