lunch break. try now for free visit otter.ai, ai or death hello, the app. >> i'm sunlen serfaty in washington in this is cnn we're watching the action on the senate floor as the impeachment trial of department of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas gets underway. >> it has been kinic de a of ord presented one artery s the goal of impeachment dismissed. >> now the potential for the 2nd again, dismissed stillut there. >> yeah. it's the most deliberative body in the world for a reason, it moves at its own pace. and that's what they are doing right now. but we know that it will ultimately as you mentioned, with them dismissing these, it's just how will we get there and how long? will it take will continue to keep an eye on? yeah. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. the one-year anniversary of cnn new satchel. we made it will g give us the lead with jake tapper starts right now speaker mike

johnson's here and boy, do we have some questions? the lead starts right now urgent action on the hill as speaker johnson finds a way to allow votes on aid to israel and taiwan and ukraine but it's johnson's a forward that has his rightward flank in an uproar i don't know how much longer are members are going to tolerate the republican speaker? >> for that, we elected is it all just talk just johnson need democrats to be his lifeline. >> i'll ask the speaker himself here on the lead, plus more drama i'm on the senate, sayyed and impeachment trials underway democrats are trying to save homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, but republicans, well, they've got their own plans and a brand new filing. justin from the new york hush money case a line of questioning that the prosecution may take if donald trump makes good on his pledge

and takes the stand welcome to the lead on jake tapper and we start today with our politics lead and just 15 minutes or so, i'm going to be join live by the speaker of the house, mike johnson, republican of louisiana, who is fighting for his political survival and facing growing pressure from his far-right flank speaker johnson announced this afternoon, he's sticking with his plan to put funding for key allies such as israel, taiwan, and ukraine on the house floor this saturday after members have had 72 hours first to read the legislation, at least two hardline republicans say this move, putting this on the floor for a vote will cost speaker johnson his job. now there are some murmurs that democrats might be willing to step in and vote to keep johnson and power is that something that speaker johnson would welcome nothing is going to be off limits when he joins me live ahead on the others side of the capital. the impeachment trial of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas is looking as if it will meet a quick demise. the

trial in the senate officially began just this afternoon, according, but the democratically-controlled senate has already voted to dismiss one of the two articles against mayorkas with a vote on killing the second one set to start any minute. mayorkas, as you know, became the very first cabinet secretary to be impeached in nearly 150 years in a vote led by house but not even the entire senate republican conference appears on the same page, senator mitt romney, republican of utah, told axios today, quote, i don't believe there's a constitution gentle standard met unquote. let's go straight to our repo reporters covering all the drama happening right now on capitol hill, cnn's lauren fox and melanie zanona. melanie first eu, the senate showdown going on over us homeland security secretary mayorkas impeachment trial. the first cabinet secretary to be impeached in nearly one 50 years. melanie, are there any sign? let's to suggest this trial is going to go forward the way republicans wanted to well, jake, republicans wanted a full trial be also want this

to end in a conviction, but that is just not what we are seeing play out on the senate floor. >> that first impeachment article was already killed on a party-line vote with all democrats voting to kill it. and one republican, lisa murkowski of alaska, someone we are watching very closely, voting presence a sign of her discontent with the process. now, chuck schumer, the senate majority leader, has teed up a second vote to kill that 2nd article. but republicans at the moment, or forcing a number of procedural votes. this is a delay tactic they're really trying to drag this out as long as possible. so we're seeing some theatrical there on the senate floor, but it's really important to point out that politics are driving so much of what we are seeing right now playing out on the senate floor. republicans really want to have some ammunition heading into the november election where they're planning to make them border. a top issue. but democrats feel completely comfortable taking these votes and moving too quickly dismiss this trial and dismiss these articles. they do not believe

if that this policy dispute amounts to a high crime or misdemeanor, and they also feel really bolstered by the fact that donald trump helped kill, kill a senate bipartisan border still something that they said would have actually helped secure the border. but again, just a rare moment here on the senate floor, we have not seen a cabinet official impeached in nearly 150 years. so there is plenty concerned right now about the precedent for future congresses but again, we'll have to see how this class is praise out how long it takes. the bottom line here though is we are not expecting this to result in a conviction. >> jake or lauren now to you and the republican dysfunction shin in the house speaker mike johnson's job a job appears to be in peril. these conservative hardliners threatening to oust him for moving forward with sending money to ukraine for allowing a vote to send money on ukraine to be specific, there are accusing johnson of surrendering to democrats yeah, exactly. >> jake in the speaker, as you noted, is not asking for hardliners to actually support the underlying legislation. all

he's doing is putting this on the floor, but they are frustrated, they are mad specifically because this package, despite the fact that it's divided into three parts, really does look a lot like the senate passed supplemental package that passed back this winter it, is because it includes about 95 billion. 1 specifically for ukraine. now there's about a 10 loan aspect to this but even that is forgivable and the administration can make that decision unilaterally. so what hardliners are arguing here is that johnson is not fighting in hard enough. now the reality for johnson is that there was no ukraine package that he was ever going to be able to put on the floor of the house that was going to satisfy someone like marjorie taylor greene. of course, the difference now is that green has an ally and thomas massie and other conservative who was already vowing to vote with her to oust johnson if she. moves to do that on the floor. and as she has not said precisely, when or even if she is definitely going

to move to try to vacate him from his speakership. but obviously that at weighing heavily on johnson, that weighing heavily on the entire republican conference right now, as they move toward this saturday, though, jake chloride, melanie zanona, and lauren fox. thanks to both you. my panels with me now to discuss the start with the impeachment hearing. if mayorkas if you would scott, today's senators were swarming, sworn in as jurors for this impeachment. they have already voted to kill one of the two articles of impeachment this all we are all always seeing doomed to fail what do you make of it all? >> well, i think the republicans in the house felt like they had no other choices. i mean, you have a secretary that they think is not enforcing the laws that they think lied to them. and he has a boss who seems indifferent to the whole thing. i don't know that they felt like they had any recourse, so yeah, i think it was predictable that it was going to fail in the senate, but i'll take what they have done and that they've shined a bright light on the failures of this administration to enforce the laws at the border and expose the crisis that's there.

so they're not going to win this thing. but as a political matter, you can see what's happened in the polling. the american people are worried about it and they do think biden has failed on it. >> so let's play some of what secretary mayorkas had to say about his impeachment when trial work an impeachment i work in advancing the mission of the department of homeland security. that's what i've done throughout this process we need congress to pass the bipartisan legislation that a group of senators worked on. that is the enduring solution jonah, if republicans want to secure the border, and i take them at their word that they do doesn't he have a point passing if even not even that piece of legislation, but some sort of bipartisan legislation. yeah, look, i mean, the problem we have in our politics right now is a massive collective action problem. collective action problem where the partisan incentives are not for craft and good public policy. it's for owning various issues and frankly, i look, i think

this thing is largely a waste of time. the impeachment impeachment at the same time i think joe biden should have their own the guide of the wolves, a time ago. i think mayorkas should have resigned and said, look, i don't think i did anything wrong, but i'm clearly a distraction to these issues given give biden a fresh nominee to have in there. take this take this issue away. you look whether it's unfair to my orcas or not, is beside the point at this at this stage. it's, it's all political theater. and i think biden has played it badly. and i think for the republicans who wanted to impeach him, they've played it smart, whether it's cynical, whether it's going to get any policy accomplished is a different issue, but it's smarter politic so what happens now, margaret, i mean, mayorkas has been the number one cajole for the republicans to attack joe biden. he's now been impeached. he will not be convicted. it looks like and then he goes back to work and a lot of whether or not they like to acknowledge it publicly. a lot of house republicans

actually like working with him, isn't representative of the administer he is, believe it or not, probably more conservative on a lot of these immigration issues than a lot of people in the white house. what happens now well, there are two things happen, but one is that this moves again back to the political theater where it's always been and we just know from survey after poll after focus group after consultation with voters where's that? >> this issue is problematic for joe biden and like it's now april in there, you know, you're in a six month stretch, told election day. so i think immigration continues to be a major issue, but yeah, it's not going to stopping a political issue just because the impeachment exercise is about to come to an end. i do think that we're going to see maybe we're seeing now the limits of impeachment as a political tool. it's just like once upon a time, impeachment was like this break glass kind of thing. and now it's like it's pro forma, it's become a matter of course, it's not just going to be used against any president no matter what, but it's now open to the cabinet. >> yeah, so shocking back in

the nixon days, he resigned before he could even be get impeached let's jonah let's step back. if we can talk about the state of the republican party right now. okay. >> so donald trump, the party's presidential nominee, is due back in court tomorrow for this case, speaker johnson is holding onto his seat for dear life, might have to rely on the help of hakeem jeffries to stay as speaker how do. >> you see this current status of the gop the technical term from political science is hot mess and i think look said we have a collective action problem before. >> like we're going into this situatiowhere think if if nikki haley were the nominee she would be running away with this election. but people have invested their interests and donald trump and the theater of the absurd that he's going through a majority of republicans want to support ukraine aid but there's this rump of hotheads who think the

worst crime you can commit is actually using democratic votes for anything again, everyone has narrow incentives that they benefit from doing the wrong thing. that lead to it being very difficult to do the right thing collectively, just to point to the chi iran right now, the senate is voting to kill the 2nd article impeachment against dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas, scott do you agree with jonas assessment of your party? >> well, i mean, the republicans don't have a monopoly on hotness is i mean, that's true. democrats have no, no, but they are in control of the house majority right now. yeah. barely. and that meant that ultimately is the is the most forefront problem that we have right now. speaker johnson, who i think is doing his level best here, is effectively leading a coalition government most days part of, the coalition is trying to throw him overboard. and now he may switch the coalition in order to save his job. he may import a few democrats, at least for the purpose of leadership and so it does show the limits though, of the way

the house works. and when you have a majority, this small and if the election is going to be as close as we all think it's going we may have another congress where the majority is this small, one way or the other. so we may just be at the beginning of people with an ungovernable house of representatives. >> so let's just dip in. i just i'm such a history nerd i want to hear some just some of the roll call vote if we can mr. tuberville mr. van hollen mr. vance mr. warner mr. warnock ms warren mr. welch mr. white house mr. wicker mr. widen mr. young the i vote is a

vote to kill. >> the second article of impeachment. and that was a real speed round. i don't think i've ever heard take go that quick with a vote. but you heard all the democrats, warner warnock, voting i to kill it. i'm not sure what i heard from todd young of indiana. but you heard some of the republicans voting now. so here we are a little moment in history. yeah, actually you heard the more liberal democratic senators screaming. >> i much louder than the more centrist democrats. and then the republican to say no. >> well, yeah, no, it was that you did you did just watch it play out. >> but, you know this is what you back to ukraine as speaker johnson's dilemma. i think you really, that's a real legacy moment for that speaker and it does feel like every republican house speaker of recent years or months realizes there's that moment when there's a decision they have to make that might end up killing them, but that is going to live long on their legacy. and this is one of those votes. it's okay for there to be policy differences within a party. >> there are big differences in both parties. it just in this

case, i agree with jonah. i think most republicans and maybe a slim majority, but i think a majority of republicans want to do this. they want to help all of our allies certainly this package that came out of the senate got 70 votes. so when you look, i mean, yes, there are there people who strongly oppose this? yes. >> but that's why we vote. and let's see where the votes was. so that's what's so interesting about this is because what they're mad about a number of things, but some of them appear matches that he's allowing a vote on this even though it will be when he brings his forward, i predict and i'm sure we all agree some substantial majority of the house of representatives is going to vote in favor of aid to ukraine, israel, and taiwan they don't even want that. i'm one of the things that i always think is interesting about like a congressman massey if you have the strong opinion that there shouldn't be foreign aid, go convinced 200 and other members of the house that your, that your point is correct? right. i mean, well, also, there's this weird thing and we saw this with the defenestration of mccarthy as well. >> the chief indictment, the chief reason why you can't

have a speaker who uses democratic votes is that it somehow, it's outrageous to use democratic votes for anything. >> but the gang of a, that ousted mccarthy. >> use the, all of the democratic party's votes to oust mccarthy and the motion to vacate and now they're furious at the possibility that democratic votes, mike save speaker johnson. you can't have it both ways either either. you think it's outrageous to use democratic votes, or it's not. and what this really boils down to is the tail really wants to run the dog when it comes to this handful of republican, let's listen in to the senate, the knees are 49. the point of order is well taken. article, article to false. >> madam president dirty leaders recognized. >> i move to adjourn the impeachment trial of alejandro mayorkas cna die. and i ask for the yeas and nase. >> is there a sufficient 2nd? there is a sufficient second clerk will call the roll. >> miss baldwin? mr. barrasso mr... bennett did he say i mrs.

blackburn? so mr. blumenthal, senator senator bennet of colorado can be a rather soft guy, which is why you're heard. senator patty murray presiding over it, asking, this is benner say no. i believe it was that ben out there to senate venice, there might be who knows? anyway, back to what we were talking about before. so there it goes. the mayorkas impeachment. may melanie zanona is on capitol hill for us covering this on the senate. what happens now is that just all she wrote in mayorkas goes back to work yeah. >> jake effectively hey, this trial of senate secretary alejandro, america's is over now. they just voted as you saw there to kill that 2nd impeachment article, which alleged him i'll be public breach of trust. we should note this was a party-line vote and one notable vote that we were keeping an eye on with lisa murkowski of alaska. she had

voted on the first article as present in a sign of potential discontent. but in this vote, she voted against it. so this was a straight party-line vote. this was after a few hours since they opened the trial then we're sworn in as jurors we saw some procedural theatrical on the floor as republicans attempted to drag this out, as long as possible they had been demanding a full trial. that is not what they got this only lasted a few hours here. and again, it did not result in a conviction for alejandro americas, which we expected all along, jake. >> all right. melanie zanona thanks so much as all this plays out, speaker johnson will be with me in just a few minutes. i'll i asked him about all this plus the gop members losing their patients with his speakership, plus a brand new court filing. justin from the new york hush money cover up case, the plan the donald trump does indeed of testify as he has pledged, h will when ese siness oers ne cash fastthey turn two bids to credit tfund what'

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business, turning to our law and justice lead court might be out sion today when it comes to trump's hush, money cover up trial. but in a brand new filing, i have right here, prosecutors are gearing up for the former president to potentially take the stand as he has pledged to you would do. they are doing so so by highlighting donald trump's past quote, misconduct and criminal acts so that they can question him about them. this is part of what's called a sandoval brief. i believe joining us down to discuss former federal prosecutor elliott williams and karen friedman, agnifilo, who is the former chief assistant district attorney in manhattan in the manhattan district attorney his office that's the office prosecuting donald trump, but she's not part of the prosecution so karen, let me start with you. it's a judge juan merchan, who is presiding over the hush money case. he's ultimately going to get to decide if prosecutors can bring up any of these past legal issues. and again, this isn't the prosecution being jerks. this is if they're ever going to break going up, anything, if trump testifies and they want to impeach his credibility and they're going to bring up

previous legal acts. they have to file this so the prosecution is just doing this as required by law. that said, let's, dive in the first item on their list is trump's recent civil fraud trial from the new york attorney general where the judge found that trump did falsify business records ally about the value of his assets, and the judge ordered him to pay $355 million. do you think prosecutors should be allowed to ask trump? about this case? it doesn't involve hush money yes. >> so look, when when somebody testifies at trial, whether it's a defendant or a witness, any time there's somebody on trial are testifying. i should say credibility is an issue. and so if you've lied in documents and you've lied in business in this practices and you've lied in general in the past, that should be fair game. what the judge will do here and it's the sandoval hearing that he'll have and what he'll do is he'll look at all the prior

bad acts that the prosecution wants to cross-examine the defendant with and he'll weigh the probative value with the prejudicial effect. so obviously because credibility is an issue lying in the past is probative. but what the judge will do is he'll determine whether it out wait. the prejudicial effect of that outweighs the probative value as to not be two bread prejudicial to the defendant. but this is just legal matters, right? >> i mean, the prosecution couldn't not introduced, for example, the washington post said that donald trump lied 30,000 times. like that, even though that might go to his credibility, that doesn't have to be introduced in a sandoval hearing, right? >> well that's a great question. it's a matter of whether it's a prior bad act or not. and i would argue i would if i was the defense attorney in this case, i would argue if you want to impeach him with prior bad acts specifically, you would have to make it as part of the sandoval motion because you're cross-examining that, you're asking seem to essentially

cross-examine the defendant on things that really have nothing to do with this trial, right? or nothing to do with this case. so they can anything about this case is fair game. but if you want to go outside the facts of this case and talk about prior bad acts. you do have to ask permission. so they can weigh this prejudicial part of it. >> all right. and elliott, i mean, this only lists legal matters. this document, so i guess they're not going to bring up my brilliant washington post idea. but the second case referenced here is the e jean carroll case where a jury found that donald trump defamed her, right and was liable for sexual abuse. is that relevant to this case? it's starts getting into murky or territory sorry, but still could be relevant, jake, for a couple of reasons, number one, it's a credibility question as to whether the defendant made statements in the prior case that our conscious that he contradicts on the stand here. >> so prosecutors, again, as you'd said, have to be able to put the defendant on notice that we might use statements you make if you were to impeach yourself on the stand by

contradicting yourself. number one. number two, i guess you have the credibility questions. i think generally in contradiction as well. those would be the big ones. but again, it's because of the nature of the e jean carroll case and because the details are so salacious, you really do start tip toeing up to that point that karen was talking about where the probative value starts might get outweighed by the prejudicial value to the defendant. it might actually just dirty him up. >> well, he denies doing what e jean carroll accuses him of doing, and a court sided with her, right? i don't know that that's a according to this. does that mean according to the state of new york, donald trump is lying about it could and again, like i said, that becomes the prosecution is trying to make the point that you can't trust this person based on literally what another court in the state has found. so karen, then there's the new york case against it's trump vs clinton where he sued hillary clinton. and former justice department officials claiming they conspired against him in the 2016 campaign, the

judge called it a frivolous lawsuit, issued nearly $1 in sanctions against trump and his lawyers should prosecutors be able to bring that up? >> again it goes to credibility and i think what what the prosecutors are going to try to new here like they would in any case when if the defendant chooses to testify, is showed that he is lying and they're going to try to cross-examine him with things to prove that he's lying and look, anytime you have a court finding that somebody was not credible, i think that's pretty significant and that's going to be something that a prosecutor is going to want to use. that's different than a characterization from the washington post or someone else just saying he's lied 1,000 times. that's different than a court ruling or a court finding. >> 30 3,000 elliott williams, karen friedman, agnifilo. thanks so much. appreciate it. speaker mike johnson said it this way. i'm going to ask him about his latest move that has so many hard-right members of his republican conference

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end the impeachment trial of department of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas, meaning that the republican led effort is officially over. on the other side of the capitol building. there is growing fury from the far-right flank of the house gop directed right now. it's speaker mike johnson who's going to join me a few minutes. here's what some of those republicans told cnn's manu raju earlier today speaker, just two out of his element here. no, i just think the speaker needs to they get home and listen to our base. >> i'm not very pleased with. would you would you support a motion to vacate that's hypothetical. >> i think that's frankly it's more bluster than real. >> well, how disappointed are you at the speaker barry i mean, i'm i'm well past the point of giving grace here. >> i haven't made up my mind yet. >> i'm not happy about this rule. >> any and he's pushing us to the brink here minus with me now, manu, what specifically are the demands that have these

republicans? so upset and pass the point of grace as congressman chip roy said, well, they're concerned about the policy and the process on the policy. many of them don't want to spend another nickel divided provide aid to ukraine. mike johnson is moving ahead with tens of billions of dollars in aid to ukraine and also, johnson had indicated before that any aid to ukraine would include border security measures, but the process that johnson is now employing would allow that border security plan that he announced would be taken up on set kennedy evening would go on a separate track, would actually not be part of this overall package. now, johnson indicated that he would move on each of these bills individually, but the house is expected to employ in arcane procedural move to essentially wrap all those bills together into one big package and sending it over to the senate. that is what the white house wanted as we're democrats wanted, that's what many republicans wanted, but not these hardliners who don't want to give any more aid to ukraine, which has reason why several of them are threatening his job at this moment.

>> all right. man arrives on capitol hill. we'll check back with you later. let's talk right now to the man himself. republican house speaker mike johnson of louisiana mr. speaker explain your plan to break up these different foreign aid bills. >> yeah. thanks, jake. good to see you. listen, this is a better policy and a better process. okay. we've gotten the senate a mental several weeks back and it was everything sandwiched together. that's not the way that regular order is supposed to work. and many of my conservative friends of some that you just picture you're there are some of the most vocal advocates for their regular process of the house. and that means that we look at things in single-subject. we look at them individually on their own merits. and so i made that decision that we should break this into four parts so that you evaluate israel and ukraine and the indo-pacific funding measures. and then are separate national and foreign aid responsibilities separately. so there's four separate bills. everyone would be able to give an up or down vote based on their own merits and that's what that's what they desire. now listen, we

made a better product as well because there is ukraine, as you know, is controversial. what we did jake in this package, we changed it 80% of the spending for ukraine is replenishment of american weapons and stocks. that's a really important thing for our own us industrial base and the defense and that's gonna be a very important part of it. and we added other innovations that conservatives like and that make good sense for the ukraine piece, for example any assistance that goes for governmental aid is converted to a loan that's what a lot of people said was very important and we implemented that. there's a lot of innovations here. and i think it's a better product yeah. >> so i guess one of the things that some of these republicans are upset about is that they also want border security to be attached to that. now, you're going to put forward a border security bill, although i don't think it's been released. yet. but answered their question as to why it's

not part of this. >> this is very simple. i'm operating with the smallest margin and us history, i have a one vote margin, jake, so in order to get something into this underlying package, we have to have the votes in the florida pass a rule that's how the process works here. the rule allows for the substantive build and we've put on the floor i don't have all my republicans who agree on that rule. and that means the only way to get a rule on the floor is that it requires a couple of democrats. well, they're not for the border security that's not their policy. they some of these folks like open-borders, that's what but their votes show and indicate. and so we don't have a way. i'm literally don't have the numbers, don't have a way to merge it together. so we're running to separate packages. the border security measure is an absolutely critical one. it has changes for reinstated remain in mexico ending catch and release. the asylum reform, the parole or form no. even rebuilding the wall. those are key priorities that would that would keep america safe. the republican party that house republicans have been using that working on it every day this congress, every single day. and will continue to when

that is our priority. and i think it shows the contrast between are sayyed and the other side. >> so i understand what you're doing breaking up these foreign aid packages, ukrainian, taiwan, israel, letting the house work its will and then sending over to the senate into one bill, whatever passes why didn't you do this months ago? i mean, ukraine is desperate for aid yeah, they are. >> well, it takes a long time to socialize and build consensus when you have the smallest majority in us history. so that's part of it, and it's very practical politics here. but also we've had other big lifts in this congress, as you know, we had to get the government appropriations bills done and then we had to do the renewal of the foreign intelligence surveillance act and some pretty heavy measures. and it was a lot too handle it one time. we know what the timetable is, we know the urgency and ukraine and in israel, and we are going to stand by, israel are close ally and dear friend and we're going to stand for freedom and make sure that vladimir putin doesn't march through europe. these are important responsibilities. a strong america is good for the entire world since world war ii, really, really the responsibility for the free world has been shifted onto our

shoulders and we accept that role were an exceptional nation where the greatest nation on the planet and we have to act like, and we have to project a putin xi and iran and north korea and anybody else that we will defend freedom. it doesn't mean boots on the ground. we're not the world's policeman, but we're going to do the right thing and i think the congress is going to take an important stand here. >> so some of your colleagues are blasting your plan to separate the bills. here's a little sampler that we presented and prepared for you surrender. it's disappointing. i won't support it. >> it's disappointing it's completely detached from what our base once so what what are, what are motors want go ahead, move it. i mean, i'm a voting no. i've already know i've never voted to give any money to ukraine and i'm not gonna do it today. >> i'm absolutely disappointed i don't know how long people are going to tolerate this because he's doing nothing but serving the democrats all right. >> i'm sure you know those voices, but it's gaetz crane nehls burlison, and of course, marjorie taylor greene. are you going to have to rely on democrats to pass the rule in

order to bring these bills to the floor. and also the legislation itself well, i hope not i hope that our republican colleagues or stand together stick together on this. i think we understand. look, i'm a child of the 80s. i'm regard myself as a reagan republican can i the concept. of maintaining peace through strength. that's one of our guiding principles. that's really important philosophy and it's a big part of our party and our worldview and i think here is an opportunity to make that stand at a really critical time in world history. i mean, there are global implications to what we do so look, everybody can grumble about details of the legislation, what our mind, my friends and everybody you just showed are all good friends. listen. we're not going to get 100% of what we want right now because we have the smallest majority in history and we only have the majority in one chamber that republicans run the house. we have the small majority in the house. the democrats are in charge of the senate and the white house. so by definition, we won't get everything we want, but we got a great product here. at the end, much better than the alternative that came in the senate

supplemental. and now everybody gets to vote their conscience up or down. that's what we're for regular process, regular order, and accountability to the people think you'll see that here this week. >> so marjorie taylor greene, who has emerged as perhaps your chief nemesis in the house republican conference is promising that this motion to vacate, to get rid of you will happen. and i'm wondering having talked to democrats at all about if that happens and if some of these republicans voted to remove you as speaker, and it's this is not a hypothetical. it looks like this actually might happen. will democrats vote to keep you as speaker? >> i've not asked any democrats to get involved in that. i believe the house will do its will look i'm i'm i'm trying to govern and lead this institution at a very interesting, unprecedented then at time we have challenges right now that no previous generation has faced newt gingrich posted a few days ago on social media. the speaker's job is effectively impossible. now, he said that i'm doing

during the hardest job that maybe has ever been in the history of the us house. maybe he said arguably since the civil war, why? because we live in a very divided time and very divisive policy ticks and the age of social media 24 hour news cycle, where everybody can express their opinions every moment of the day about things that are disgruntled about. it makes a lot of challenges, but we're going to get through this, listen we are the greatest nation in the history of the world, okay? we are going to show that we're going to keep the train on the tracks and not get derailed and get involved in all this at such a day dangerous time on the world stage. and that look, i don't think i don't walk around thinking about the motion to vacate. it's a procedural matter here that i think has been abused in recent times. maybe at some point we changed right now. i gotta do my job and so do all my colleagues and i'm confident in the end of the day, in spite of all the drama and all the palace intrigue, i think we're going to get that done well, whoever i mean, if they bring the motion to vacate forward there aren't enough republicans, there aren't 218 or whatever republicans to remove you who somebody is going to need

democrats. >> i mean, it's only going to happen who was whatever the outcome is? that person will need democrats. so if you win and keep your job, if there is a motion to vacate, it will be what democratic support or these people who are who rebelled against kevin mccarthy and thought voting with democrats was the worst thing in the world will also use democratic votes jake, i don't know what's gonna happen. i'm not focused on that. i'm focused on doing my job. look, when you do the right thing, you let the chips fall where they may. i mean, that's that's how that's my life philosophy and that's how i gov from here every single day, we tried to get the best possible outcome for the american people to move the ball forward for the american people. and i've got to say focus on that every day and not, not all the drama that's that's my answer. so there's another player here that we haven't talked about donald trump, who you support for president. i want to play some of what he said last night when he was asked if he plans to protect you from any sort of motion to depose of you by the

far-right. take a listen speaker johnson well, we'll see what happens with that. i think he's very brief. >> we'll see what happens with that. i think he's a very good person. have you talked to trump about this plan, this legislative plan in terms of how you're introducing these foreign aid bills and ultimately will he have your back? >> i think he will. i was just with him on friday down at mar-a-lago and we had dinner together and my wife was with me and we had a great visit. we talked about a lot of things all the politics going on country. and he said at a press conference, we had there together and i'm doing a very good job and he supports me and all of that. listen i think this is all going to work out. i think it's going to be fine. i did tell the president plan on all of this and i think he clearly understands why we're running this play and why we need to do this. i think this sets up the next election, the next administration, the next it's president and i believe he's going to win in a better position. i think that president trump is strong enough that he could enter the world stage and broker a peace deal in ukraine if russia's still advance into that time, i

mean, i think he has the strong enough and to be able to do that. and that's why this election is so important. there's a very stark contrast. we didn't have all these global conflicts. we didn't have hot wars around the globe when donald trump was president. you know why? because our adversaries feared him and respected him. they don't fear and respect joseph biden. and that's a real problem for all of us. >> so let me just ask one quick question about policy. if donald trump does win and if the republicans keep the majority, will you bring the national abortion ban up for a vote? >> i don't even know what you're talking about. national abortion ban, no. listen president trump has said this very well. look i'm pro-life personally, but have 434 colleagues. you have to build a political consensus after cultural consensus, breitbart famously observed that politics has downstream when culture, and there is no consensus of the moment on what to do at the federal level. so that's not on the legislative agenda, that's not something that's being planned. i think president trump's book and clearly about that our individual views or individual views, but we have a

lot of work to build a cultural life, to go out as a party, because we believe in that too speak to that issue and to support families and young mothers who are in unplanned pregnancy situations and to support those who are in need. that's a role that, by the way, is cross-culture cultural. i mean, we need to do that through the churches. there are communities at the state level, the local level, all of us have a role to play. and i think that's the important thing that we'll focus on in the days ahead. >> he said he didn't know what. i meant, by a national abortion ban, i meant the life begins at conception act, which you are a co-sponsor of. but let's move on because i just have this last question. i know you've got a lot to do terms. of the cat hurting you need to do. >> you have called it absurd that your job is on the line for merely allowing votes on legislation? i wonder if you ever look at this swirl of chaos, but you are now in the center of the members of congress who think they live in a world where they don't have to compromise with democrats even though democrats control the senate and control the

white house. these individuals who many i'm seemed to say things like calling you a democrat, marjorie taylor greene called you a democrat opinions based not in reality. i wonder how much you look at that and you wonder if you contribute to, contributed to it in any way? >> let's get a question, jake, you and i have known each other long time. i think we go back maybe 2025 years and we do i'm a lifelong conservative, you know, my whole record, but i'm also i believe what what my copy said one time he was running for governor of arkansas, he said, i'm a conservative, but i'm not mad at anybody about it. i mean, that's that's my philosophy, right? what i tried to do as a freshman in congress, i came in the same time donald trump did in 2017 the first thing i did here was the author would or call the commitment to civility. i founded the honore incivility caucus. we had a huge group, i think 168 republicans and democrats, everybody from john lewis to paul ryan on the other side who signed onto that commitment. and it said, you know what, we're going to treat one another with dignity and respect. we can disagree on

philosophy and policy and we will, but that's kind of part of the process here we don't hate each other. everybody in this building as a fellow american, i consider them colleagues and friends i mean, i have vehement disagreements with my colleagues on the other side on the ideas and the legislation. but i don't hate anybody. we're supposed to regard one another as americans un honore won another with dignity and respect. i think that's a human quality. i think it's about human dignity at the end of the de. and i think that's what we are advanced here it saddens me that the institution has devolved to where it is, but i think we can bring it back. i'm an optimist, jake. i always have been good luck with that, sir. and thank you so much. teardrop it by house speaker mike johnson, republican of louisiana. it's good to see you reaction next from a key house democrat who has watched this entire drama among republicans play out congressman adam schiff is going to join us next day with us when these business owners need cash fast, they turn two bids to credit to fund what's next? from fitness studios to medical offices and every small business in-between. we've got

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congressman adam schiff. he is a democratic also running to represent california in the senate, but his jade day jobs in washington, dc, congressmen, a lot to talk with you about. i have to start with the divisions on display within the republican party. some of your fellow democrats have suggested that they might vote to keep speaker johnson as speaker johnson would you well, it depends on what we have come up on the floor, but if it is as the speaker is representing that we're going to take up largely the senate bill. >> but in pieces, i certainly wouldn't want to see him punished for doing the right thing. but this discussion will have as a copy of this, i wouldn't be surprised if it is as it is represented to be that there is some agreement or some understanding that either handful of democrats vote to defeat the motion or we simply don't vote and it reduces the threshold and therefore, a very small number of republicans who

just seem devoted to tearing down the institution cannot succeed. but ultimately we'll have that conversation. jason, with hakeem jeffries and we'll make that decision together. >> how does that work? not voting. do you have to leave the floor of the house or you just don't vote. but you don't vote i think if you vote present, it has a different impact. but we'll figure that out. consulting with the parliamentarian if necessary but we we want this place to be governed and we wanted to be governed able we've been demanding four months that we bring up ukraine funding of course, the let's be there could have done that months ago. he could have done it up, done at separately like we're doing today or get a brought up the senate bill. it would have passed overwhelmingly in the house but nevertheless, the last we are where we are and hopefully this week we'll finally get that aid past that ukraine so desperately needs that we need just send israel, that humanitarian assistance as

well, as well as aid to taiwan are other allies. >> let's start at trump's criminal trial because you're one of the most prominent critic next of the former president. you were the lead prosecutor in trump's first impeachment trial, for example what's your reaction to seeing trump in this manhattan courtroom as jury selection is underway? hey, in his hush money to cover up case. and do you wish it was a different trial going forward like the january 6 trial in georgia or the january 6 trial that the special counsel, jackson myth is bringing well, in terms of seeing him finally sit in the defendants chair where i think he belongs. >> it's been a long time in coming and it is i think from the perspective of the justice system, an affirmation that even a foreign president is not above the law and ultimately, there is accountability but after seeing him successfully delay one proceeding after another, after another, literally for years. but then these criminal trials for months and months and months finally seeing him face justice and the courtroom is a long

awaited, a reckoning for the former president in terms of whether i would have liked to have seen a different case go forward. first to be candid. yes. i think the most serious and substantial of all the cases is the january 6 federal prosecution and they're the justifiable but it took a long time to get that case investigated to begin with. but nevertheless the supreme court has quite willfully allowed trump to delay that preceding by continuing to sit on its hands when it comes to one of the bogus appeals involving this purported claim of immunity. so they're the law are just part of the responsibility goes to the court. that seems to be doing his will, by delaying congressman adam schiff, democratic california senate candidate as well. thanks so much. we're gonna get a republican reaction next, congressman chip roy of texas, he's one of those expressing frustration with speaker johnson. he's going to join me next our pharmacy has been in business for nearly 100 years a

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