thoughts that after january 6 and all that chaos that one folks who are involved in, you see derek there, folks who are involved in that day would be running for congress, but also that the man who the lie, his lies brought them to the capital that day, donald trump would be the one for president exactly when it would really be a very tight race. all right, dani, we're gonna be watching. thanks. do you much good to see you? >> and the all new episode of the whole story with anderson cooper. it's a whole hour, one whole story is next right here on scene, and you can watch tony's full report and thank you so much for joining me this evening. i'm jessica dean. i'll see you again next weekend. have a great night

welcome to the whole store. >> i'm anderson cooper. we are less than seven months away from the next presidential election. but even now, for years after joe biden one, there are, there are a number of down trump's porter's who dispute those results. and that's not all they dispute. the january 6 attack was an insurrection dispute. the idea of separation of church and state in america. some even dispute that the last super bowl was played honestly, and they blame taylor swift for rigging the outcome over the next hour, cnn's donie o'sullivan dives deep into the undercurrent of viral misinformation by speaking directly to those who believe in conspiracies and those who are trying to battle them this

event today is at a church but not entirely clear what kind of church it really is one of the guest speakers there today is a man by the name of derek evans. >> he spent three months in prison for his role in the attack on the us capitol and now he's running for congress

that was excellent. >> thank you so very much. thank you. >> we are on to with us today, a gentleman that has extremely interesting stories. derek evans aj's six survivor, and he's wanting to account as well. so let's give him a warm welcome. >> we also. thank you for coming out. your never eight days of solitary confinement was are fused the covid vaccine while they're holding the hospital called risser exchange, we need to release the january 6 prisoners and lock up he stole the election national media headlines about you is january 6 insurrectionist. now he's running for congress what do you want people to know about you beyond? that's big headline. >> well, first of all, my husband and i'm a father. i've got four beautiful children. i

love my family very much. a lamont community. i love my country and i think it's despicable that the media and particularly cnn, has helped paint this false narrative of insurrection. >> how would you characterize what happened on january so january 6 was the most patriotic de of mine going up with his during the golden rule i did nothing wrong that day. >> we have natural god-given rots in this country. >> i know a lot of people out there and a lot of your viewers who were probably a lot of good people, but they believe that our rods come from the government. that's simply not true or rods come from god or gone down calm down and back down. >> heard reminding people hello to be peaceful and nonviolent and non-destructive in the capital loss of property i did more to control the crowd and the police did that de and i'm the one that goes to prison. >> so why were you sent to prison?

>> because this is a political charges right now. i'm a political prisoner. all these people in prison around our political prisoners, you did decide to plead guilty out a practicality. >> what i mean when you're facing 24 years in prison, what options you really i was ready to move on with my life and the constitutional is written for one reason, one reason only is written to prevent the government from infringing on our natural god-given rights. what i was doing that day was not only protected by the constitution, it was protected by those natural god-given rights of free speech, but also of course, there's a separation between church and state is not there's no separation of church and state that's another law that's been portrayed by the lab. there's no separation of church and state. there's not one ever invoking religion to promote our politics and justify our actions is indeed before he was running for congress, derek made a name for himself, harassing women outside abortion clinics but what was happening here? >> i've got two pronouns in

this church, it felt different hi well i guess we got the fake news here. you might as well get the real news because here, conspiracy theories reign supreme years and i have a very high level source who contacted me the other day and said, and you need to get this out because this is the playbook you look at oklahoma, you look at 9:11 and you realize the reason planes flew into buildings and bombs have gone off in certain places is because they're destroying evidence. >> you've been labeled an extremist fossil. >> yeah, you would say falsey the stuff he posted on christmas day what about it? >> the democrats being you probably shouldn't have that. >> i want to see fauci in handcuffs. i'll let see mayorkas in handcuffs. i want to see them standing right now in front of a jury shall i want to see them in front of a jury shackled in a military tribunal and whatever the jury decides, we accept that that outcome keep in mind that this is warfare. this is a battle of

good versus evil. now the second class citizens, the suppressed, did not have freedom of speech the dod, by the way, is behind the development of the covid shots behind the development of this horrific killing machine are we have a candle. >> all right, welcome. i'm at a good day. he later that evening, some of the congregation gathered nearby at a sister church this is a free call from jeremy and incarcerated individual at citrus county, florida for the last 826 days. i observed that the political prisoner of war in my whole country jeremy brown was a member of the o key purpose militia and was seen outside the capital on january 6. he called into the church and began preaching conspiracy theories that trump's supporters weren't really

responsible for the attack january 2021 will be claimed that sign compartmentalize unconventional warfare operation play and executed by copper elements within the department of the intelligence community, and federal law enforcement this is gorgeous how are you? good, nice three to see thanks so much ravenous yeah. my name rachel powell and i've had eight kids. so i've been busy i have my seventh grandchild coming up to be born this year this is your last weekend before you going to prison for the next four or five years, have you been spending the weekend? i know

it's not a funeral procession, but it kind of reminds me of that. my friends, my family, they've been coming in and just been really busy, which is good because when it gets when it gets quiet for a minute, that's when the motion settings. do you remember where you were when you heard this? >> biden had won the election? >> i do. i was at my house and i got a phone call thing that biden won and i was like, what's you couldn't believe it? no, absolutely. and people around me couldn't believe it either. >> you can't believe it. >> i still can't believe it what did you decide to? >> go to dc on january 6? >> well, how often does a president asked you to come to a rally doesn't happen. >> at some point. this goes from peaceful protest to you having ice ax and your hand, like somebody gives you the icer yeah. who? i don't know. >> you don't remember you'd

admit this as a bad look, obviously. oh, totally know how down my field when i look at this picture, like, oh, my goodness, like you had an accident or end you broke window you are shouting over a bullhorn to tell people to take the building yeah. why should people believe that you weren't trying to overturn the election and do something illegal and cms insurrection it's ridiculous. >> if we wanted if we went there with a plan to take that building with as many people as we're there. we were coordinated. we'd have been in there and like 30 seconds have you ever had a moment where you're like maybe i'm wrong, maybe biden that she won the election maybe i'm the conspiracy theorist no. not at all. >> now so in a few days you're

going to be reporting to federal prison, right? how have you talked about that to your children? yeah. >> i'm sorry. it's like my last week and before i go, it but i'm like i love my children so much and it feels like the last thing they can take from me and i'm that'll be the hard part. and i don't deserve this. and when kids don't deserve it, what have we not been through enough like this? the last thing that we have to lose as each other it had been just three years since the capital attack the day that cost lives and ruin lives but the truth of what happened that day has been so twisted lies about january 6 was have been relentless, almost like it was a coordinated operation so

forms. >> 20 confirmed incidents. that dozens of fads, mpi, just state operatives who infiltrated the trump crowds on january 6, us capitol, we have total on top of all the other proof, more proof that those who took part in the attack are being loaded in churches. >> oddball corruption that happens surrounding january 6, the fed's direction because we know that the federal government wasn't and the man who incited at all these still bigger so this has says rachel, we love you, trump are you hoping trump? >> pardon you. >> i know he'll pardon me. that's not a hope. i know that trump will pardon me. >> rachel still had faith in trump even phasing the election lies that we're sending her to prison but how will i read these lies among the wider trump base? i went to vegas to find out. >> do i put it all on red? are all on black tonight? >> i put it on 212121. okay yeah bad.

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until 2090. >> yes. but change donald trump get cnn. that's what we thought. yeah. >> are you guys going to cover it like accurately? you don't think is accurate? >> that really i think you guys do soundbites verjee most your news and information now, i go to multiple different sources, like telegram i try to stay off the main sites, like facebook itself. my god, all got algorithms and stuff like that that are designed to hide your post. >> you get fat check unphased. well fact-checked by some guy that is 30 years old living in his mosque basement. >> i would love to speak to put it on the camera if you don't want to share, we might as well put it on camera the job of the journalist is to ask the questions, allow the person to speak, and just report the facts. >> what was spoken. would you like for me to pull up the definition of journalists? okay. but thank you, julia, i

met juliane a die-hard trump supporters from texas, who has in vegas for a gun show i have a god given right to speak my own truth. she still believes the 2020 election was stolen, but there are facts the facts have shown that the election was stolen. whether you're willing to look at that and accept that, and really show what's going on. that's your issue, not ours. we want the god freedom that our constitution and our bill of rights is based on. >> god given constitutional rights there are two different things right now. so they're not read our ead the constitution read it out loud to yourself so that you hear what the words of the constitution say. >> god isn't mentioned in the constitution sar you had to

learn the constitution to becoming a us citizen. no, i couldn't you did it. you did not have to learn the constitution or the bill of rights died coming citizen foreigner, us citizen. >> my mom's american, but this isn't, this isn't about me you just made a statement. >> you made you tried to make what year spring, is a factual so how would that god is not talked about in the constitution and bill of rights. >> okay? okay. >> hold on. >> i can pull it up on my frontier if we can make sure i'm trying to, i might have just gotten something wrong which they'll probably use that to you have to let me say this. and this is probably why i get it in the united states, the federal constitution does not make a reference to god as such. although it uses the formula, the year of our lord part, which is capitalize in article seven yeah, there's

only one lord capitalised l0 or do cell. there is a reference to god odd and our constitution. and in our bill of rights, certainly an article seven, and article seven do read it once states the date. one reference there's enough it refers to the year of the lord, capital l or there's only one lord religion has. always played a role in american politics. >> hope pius the 12th said into the hands of a merrick god has placed afflicted mankind, a may three but what's happening now is different. prince jason we just talked your guy did a

place right now. >> he's democrat. i don't even want you around this church, didn't get out get out, you demon get out your baby butchering an election thief you cannot be a christian invoked, give a crowdedness, nike, we are going to have one nation under god and one religion under god. i'm tired of the separation of church and state junk. it has a name it's called christian nationalism. >> i say it probably we should be christian nationalists january 6 crosses everywhere. >> huge poster of a white jesus with the make america great again, red hat as a christian, it just grabbed my guts and got me furious we're going to reclaim america for christ, retake america for christians. so we hold up president trump, but for the tray this is an explicitly christian country trey the bible says, those that

truly follow jesus christ take it both force this perversion of patriotism and face has postures across the country worried that their flocks are being led astray i see in american christian nationalism toxic anxiety and rage. and i see it tearing families apart christian nationalism is not christian at all. i started getting called names by people that i loved and had known for over a decade i was called a fascist a communists and then i had a spirit of fear every piece of evidence cells a story how it really happened with jesse l. martin tonight at nine on cnn allergies with a leg

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local extremism. on the right side of american politics so that's what what we have tried to this event today is organized in response to christian nationalism. >> we've recognized that there's a deficiency in training pastors to how to actually engage scripture, and then apply that into the political life. and so it is an answer to what we saw as an aberration from the teachings of jesus, which is american christian nationalism. >> those kinds of pastor caleb campbell knows a lot about extremism he used to be a neo-nazi skin head who played the drums when i was a teenager, i fell in with the group and skin heads and did that kinda after high school. we had a woman from the church was dialing drummers and called me and said, can you come play at the church?

>> he began thing here at the desert springs bible church 23 years later. he's still here let's in this room. where you had your awakening? yeah. >> are traditionally call it like a conversion experience? and i was baptized in this room. it's been quite a ride. i definitely didn't expect to be pastor, much less a pastor in church like this. >> do you know how many times god is mentioned in this? >> and the constitution? zero yeah. it gets mentioned once i think our lord, just in terms of in the year of our lord evangelical christians of which i am one i'm a theological evangelical. they are generally operating under the assumption that the christian god is all over the declaration of independence, the constitution. and then i'll just invite them to read it let's read it together and let's just highlight all this spaces that anything uniquely christian shows up and you'll notice that we have not had to plot our highlighter there are certainly ideas that have been shaped throughout human history

by the christian tradition it's not power that dominates are six pastor caleb is not alone in his fight against christian nationalism in milwaukee, where trump will officially be declared the republican in candidate at the rnc this summer pastures jackson jacobson and shaw are also sounding the alarm. can you really with a straight face, look at life, teachings, way and death of jesus and line that up with the correlates of christian nationalism, anti muslim racist anti-immigrant. i mean, it just doesn't work what i'll hear events is the founding fathers for christian america was built off christian values therefore, this is a christian country and we should have christian government why then is jesus nor christianity mentioned in the constitution then why would you even placing their freedom of religion? so

to me the argument is silly, is nonsense. >> i'm going to really have a problem with christianity of you say that it was found of a christian values with the things that took place, right here on american soil. >> what was done to the native americans land, what was done to my people, eight others? >> dennis, i can sense that you're particularly but yeah. i mean, i this really gets to you. yeah. does i've headed up to here with distortion of one of the most astonishing revolutionaries into a white cheeses wearing a red maga hat it's just unbelievable to me. i think one reason that younger people are walking right past the door to church is because of the idiocy they see in this movement so a lot of americans

believe that god views america as special we tell ourselves that that's part of how we have justified things like warfare. this crusade this war on terrorism it's going to take awhile. >> we've said we're the good. they're the evil. god has this relationship with the past few days when i've been at that window upstairs, i thought a bit of the shining city upon a hill. >> reagan invited okay that america is the city on a hill. >> well, that's jerusalem that's biblical language used of jerusalem in 2020, pastor campbell began losing congregants so as a evangelical preacher, i'll alliterate. >> it was floyd fauci and the federal election so what were they angry about oh, the way

that we navigated a global pandemic our response to george floyd and his murder, just the fact that we called it murder was met with resistance and then the federal election came. >> and i was accused of advocating for the blue team because i didn't from the stage advocate for the red team. i don't tell people how i vote and by taking that posture is viewed as a betrayal of what god had chosen some of his congregants left for you dream city church at place steeped in christian nationalism is the duty of our christian nation to select next and prefer christians. >> for their rulers very special. >> thank you to the dream city church. the hosting peace to foster caleb has spent months attending christian

nationalists events, something he documents in his book, disarming leviathan most of the folks that i've met, like on the ground i'm not talking about the leaders and the purveyors of american krishna they truly believe that this is what god wants. i honor their patriots because i share much of their sentiments but they are afraid they're anxious about being erased. i think at the heart of this movement is the anxiety of ethnic or racial that our way of being in the world is under imminent threat do you see similarities there and wash you are looking for? yeah. >> it's what all of us are looking for were made as communal creatures, were made for each other so for me as a angry rage filled teenager i found those things in this community in american christian nationalist circles, many people are finding safety, belonging, purpose. the problem is that you're not actually

truly safe if you ask a critical question and a christian nationalists circle you will be tossed out. you'll be viewed as, you know, there's one of the phrases, a rhino, a republican in name only but this isn't just about christians and churches it's about how distrust and fear is affecting our understanding of reality i think you guys do sound bites. >> my conversation with joe back in vegas had been briefed but he had given me as number to stay in touch they'll pay joe. >> how are you doing i thought our conversation the other day was very interesting. >> so i wanted to see if you'd be open to chatting about that a bit further. >> maybe i'd come come to colorado to visit because it you sure mom let's go to colorado when the. >> jinx came out, i thought, oh, my god when bob has a

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cnn guys everybody makes mistakes after meeting him outside a trump rally in las vegas. >> are you guys going to cover it accurately? >> i wanted to understand better why joe doesn't trust someone like me a journalist from the so-called mainstream media he let us hang out with him for a couple of days here in grand jury junction, colorado have you always been interested in politics since obama i've been pretty interested in politics. >> okay, so 2008 yeah what was it about obama that got you interested it was just all the talk around resident of the united states is a very smooth talking character. hope is that

thing inside each of us, there is no challenge too great great, no mission too hard. >> it's up there and he's very articulate the words as flow, right out of his mouth. >> obama you got to be careful for smooth dockers so if you want to find out what's going on in the world, just right now today. >> what do you do that check out different platforms that i feel that i can trust one being telegram telegram is definitely one. yeah telegram is a platform first developed in russia that has few rules, few moderators, and no fact-checkers they made their big rise to fame after the 20 in 20 election. >> so explain that to us telegram gets big when, when twitter and facebook and even google, like youtube and stuff we're sensoring a lot of information that they were calling miss information cnn are we got some more breaking news coming into the situation?

to room right now with the president's twitter account has been suspended. i feel like that's an insult to people to not be able to look at information into discern it themselves. they're basically calling that person is stupid joe says his facebook account was banned for sharing a meme about january 6, becerra on my phone one day and all of a sudden has been deactivated. how does that feel? >> it was horrible i liked facebook social marketplace. >> we can do business, you can find things. >> so it's like being cut off of a part of life. it's like thanks a lot. mark or whoever's in charge. >> so what's a channel you follow on telegram phone to see somebody news for today. >> my favorite one, it's called patriot memes. >> it's a lot of memes that's care couple of minutes. >> not a woman, not a hero not a woman. >> that's the bud light's person present carrying skills, right? we're not a hero george floyd i visited joe a couple of

weeks before the super bowl it was just as the conspiracy theory, the taylor swift was helping read the game to help biden started circulating online. who's one of the first things that popped up on chose feed? >> let's go to something that's like news though. >> yeah, citizens, this is from benny johnson by now. >> everyone knows taylor swift has a government psi up. and this is exactly why corporate media is having a meltdown about it. you don't believe taylor swift as a gordon say i don't know what to believe about taylor swift. it's good to keep your mind open. >> could she be now she's dating a pfizer and bud light agent in the nfl because we're a few weeks from the super bowl yeah. nurse, take an endorsement from taylor swift. there? >> yeah. >> via ministration and then who's going to win the super bowl. >> but you don't take the super

bowl is goodness seeing it. do you think i think football's braved? yeah. okay there's a cnn clip in here. >> watch cnn has a meltdown over. our coverage of the taylor swift sayyed up. >> here are the latest conspiracy theory making the rounds at the super bowl will be rigged for kelce and the kansas city chiefs. and the endgame is swift endorsing fighting after the big game. here are some of the messages. i'm trying not to laugh circulating on social media. vivek ramaswamy, i watched which win the super, but did she do trying not to laugh? >> i'm trying not to laugh. you don't kind of thing. >> so why isn't it okay to take that in into let it register and think about it for a minute. could that be possible? that there could be some funding going to taylor swift or stuff like that that could lean her into a certain direction so that she would support somebody i mean, that could be totally possible i call that a conspiracy theory.

>> okay. >> sure. yeah. >> what what i find most difficult to believe, but the taylor swift, travis kelce super bowl conspiracy theory is that you think the democrats the so organized organized. do you think? >> i do? yes we're gonna get together as well as reading the super bowl. and taylor is going to back biden for president that's just so much stuff like that is so much organization, but not that hard. you don't think rigging the election, it'd be a lot more complicated this is a fraud on the american public. we know there was massive fraud. it was a rigged election it seems that trump's convincing one of millions of americans at the last election was rigged has opened some kind of gateway that the election was stolen. results the results

are to say that's, that's another law that's been portrayed by the lab. there's no separation of church and state which one morning? >> troll by the illuminati their life twist. and they're tagging the children there kind of files the gateway ten alternate reality. >> you where anything is possible january sinks some kind of inside job where taylor swift and rig the super bowl are you a cue fan? >> like them? i like watching them. >> joe had been generous in sharing his news habits with me. so i showed him some of the news that i read. >> but you never see these shared around your telegram channel. >> and while i wasn't there to change his mind, he was pretty surprised to find out that cnn fact check next president biden okay. >> so joe biden said, gun manufacturers are the only

industry in america exempt from being sued during this is false. and we laid out there as to why what he said is false yeah, i like that. >> and look, there's a lot more you should do that more so we have these fact checks here, biden rice, but we obviously have way more trump and, that's just because trump says more stuff that's false trump and manufacturing jobs trump claimed in november speech in texas, we created an incredible 1.2 million new manufacturing jobs. >> the us actually lost 170,000 miles factoring jobs during trump's presidency i don't know if it's right or wrong again, it's in your sights but if we go, as you say, go our research, we click in its from economic research organization like we do put in the source material, we're not plucking it out of our eyes this is from the federal reserve bank of st. louis. so term the fed john

trust, if no, not really we are at an impasse. my fred look, i appreciate your willingness to sit down and talk the kind of conspiracy theories joe was seeing every day on telegram might seem harmless, even silly. >> but they're not they're corroding trust in american democracy. you are the scum of how they go from you, fact-checking to you being a pedophile? >> i don't know. >> i really hope you people. what's coming to you and it will come to you they're inspiring and being used to justify violent attacks on american institutions it never has been like this before. did you ever think being an election official would make you public enemy number one? >> no we really do think that democracy is at stake in the selection next. sunday on the

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really become this kind of ground zero of election craziness i think it becomes a battleground because as verging on losing its redness, they want to keep it as red as those rocks yeah. jerry roles spent most of her life working in the court system. >> good morning, mr. chairman. and members of the board, but nothing prepared her for becoming the election director of a small county in arizona. >> in my career i've done a lot of things i have been treated better by murderers, child molester is thieves, rapists, the defendants have treated me far better than the political parties. and the elected representatives

military step in and reading what are election. jerry is just one of hundreds of election officials that have been driven out of their job because of hate and intimidation in her resignation email, jerry said that she had been subject to ridicule, disrespect attacks on her reputation and not just from voters i had the party chair in my office and for other people and they were yelling. they're threatening, they're veiled threats. the republicans and our county, they want their party to be on top to maintain control and you voted for trump in 2016? i sure did. >> you were a registered republican? >> i was all your life? yes. >> the first guy i ever voted for was richard nixon not proud, but it's true you said you heard all sorts that the things that people believe what have you heard them believing? i had a guy tell me that he could hack into our election

equipment through the power outlet. he could come in through the one ten power outlet they believe that all of those folks that are volunteering are being paid to handle the ballots our somehow i don't know sleight of hand they believe that we're somehow doing something with them, not counting them. >> i don't care what anybody else says. our election was stolen superstition or superstitious superstition. jerry lives at the first of the superstition mountain range in arizona she says the intimidation that forced her to quit her job was fueled by miss information. some stuff you just said there. >> but what people believe hacking, true, a power outlet, everything else? >> nonsensical people watching when i say, if they're just stupas, they're just stupid people but it's never been like this before. it never has been like this. before. >> i and i'm not stupidity what they are saying is nonsensical. no, they're not

stupid people. but they have a drive in an agenda and so they will craft that message to serve their own purposes and they really don't care about truth or integrity. they just want the outcome their outcome i think that's it. >> so why all this haste, why all this vilification of you i wish i knew i i really don't know. >> i just know that i became a target and i began to feel very unsafe or end up in gallo even humans probably not right? the research and do my own research. and do you all third party checkers all you do is be allen dukes because one of those fact-checkers i had heard about like who's back checking, you know what i mean?

you don't know who's acting alan regularly receives threatening voicemails like these you are the scum of the earth i really hope you people get what's coming to you and it will come to you, have to worry he's a former cnn journalist, his fact-check can company has worked for the likes of facebook where his fact checks appear over four halts posts. it's a program facebook introduced a few years ago to try and curb the spread of misinformation what do you think people imagine? fact checkers to be? >> that i'm. part of some conspiracy or conspiracies that i'm this evil plotter who's trying to steal their voices from them. >> how do people feel when they get fact-checked i imagine just like if i were to walk up to you and tell you that you're wrong about something. >> so you can understand why people are off. i understand this and be off at me. >> but that doesn't make our

work faults or unimportant or negative, or a conspiracy allen, jerry and pastures caleb jackson, jacobson and shaw are all on the frontlines of the fight against disinformation and division in this country. >> they're standing up for community for integrity, for truce if you believe a lot of this misinformation you're going to believe that our country three is on the brink of extinction or destruction it can lead you to take action that you really wouldn't otherwise do. >> and that can be very dangerous. >> i think we are at risk of terrible violence, increasing violence in this country whatever is going on right now it's not fair to people who work in elections department and it is runing what is the cornerstone of our democracy

the biggest for me is losing our church, our way of worship i don't really know what the big solution is. >> we're doing. >> what we can i've noticed in the public conversation, a lot of despairing and a lot of derision and a lot of their too far gone. >> i don't believe that at all. i believe that every person can see we have truth. the bible is full of stories like that. and our churches full of stories like that and our history is full of stories like that so don't give up in the remaining months of this year's presidential campaign, donie will continue to investigate and report on the misinformation he's seeing in politics on both sides hi thanks for watching the whole story. i'll see you next sunday