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never faithful. sees the deals on top boy there tonight on three, 60 protesters defined deadlines and facing academic sanctions and campuses across the country. the latest live on pro-palestinian demonstrations, the police response, elements of anti-semitism, and the impact. there's all could have on presidential politics. also tonight to look ahead at what the to expect when the trump hush money criminal trial resumes tomorrow morning here in new york, and a report from haiti, a cnn exclusive for the country torn apart by gangs. or david culver tracks down in interviews, one gang leader who is now on the fbi's ten most wanted fugitives list good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with pro-palestinian campus demonstrations entering their second week and growing. it seems not going away with spring commencement fast approaching university officials nationwide are now taking action to confront them. that said in different ways with different degrees of success, they're juggling

freedom of expression students, safety, alumni pressure, and of course, all of it driven by one of the world's truly intractable conflicts wanna go first to cnn's ed lavendera, the university of texas in austin. we're please just apparently using pepper spray on some in the crowd within the last hour. and what's the latest where you are? just explain what's happening around you. >> well, all of the protesters that were taken into custody or we don't have an official number yet in a number of people arrested. but what we witnessed was several dozen protesters taken into custody once those people were moved off campus law enforcement officers have now moved away from the scene. and this is what has left of the massive protests can you there are still a few people here gathered in the exact same spot where much of this protests started earlier in the de, incredibly tense for some time we saw state troopers once again return here to the campus and circle this area that had been taken over with tents and dozens of students, which they

described. anderson has a liberated in kanban zone in solidarity with what other campuses have been doing as well. and when that happened with the tens come up, university officials say that they were not going to have any tolerance for any kind of occupation or a tense that would signify that this was going to grow into a larger protest, a permanent larger protest here on the ground. and that's when we saw the state troopers and law enforcement come in and over the course of several hours systematically just pull protesters one-by-one taking them away from the scene here this afternoon and then there were protesters essentially following law enforcement officers and state troopers trying to force them chanting at them to get off of campus pushing them away in that led to the altercation that you talked about, the pepper spray as the officers were trying to get those that were arrested on the buses and off the campus, as well as state troopers in riot here that had been brought on to the campus. so another tense day, but i must say very different from what we saw last week in attention the violence that

altered violent altercations that we saw take place between protesters and law enforcement last week, there were nearly 60 people arrested. all of those criminal charges we're just were dismissed. so it'll be interesting to see what happens with the protesters that were taken to custody here today at austin anderson is it clear how many are actual students? muti well, university officials told us this afternoon in a statement that they believe that the majority of the people who were involved in today's protests were not students. >> in fact, they said it was a group that started sending threats to university officials over the weekend they're the ones that organize. it was really interesting how this developed. there had been what had been billed as an educational event. there was poetry reading, there was an artwork welcome, making, protest signs that sort of thing. and then over here on the steps of the main tower building, there was a silent digital by probe by professors. and as that happened all of

this kind of quickly developed into an encampment zone so it almost seemed like a very deliberate kind of strategy and a plan to create this particular moment that we saw on campus today. and that's what university officials say. they were not going to put up with. and they also believed that much of this was caused by people who are not students here at the university. >> ed lavendera. thanks very much. next to columbia university, which has started suspending student protesters for defined in order to leave their encampments this afternoon, the school has also closed the canvas to anyone, but students and staff summands, miguel marquez, is that a protest just outside one entryway to the campus. so what does it look like right now where you are and what are you seeing yeah. >> these are the main gates. there was a one-sixteenth and broadway. there was a big protest here earlier today, several dozen protesters, but now it's maybe a dozen, maybe a bit more than that. still chanting inside you can see about 300 yards from here are where the the encampment is

those protesters in that encampment area, some of them have already been suspended, as you said, that the school after that 2:00 p.m. deadline started to the proceedings to suspend the students. it sounds like the air trying to identify everybody in that gap. men suspend them so they're no longer students than at something good point the university clearly does not want to call nypd. and again, after when they did that two weeks ago, it kicked off this backlash across the country they're trying. to avoid that. but once they are no longer students of columbia, push is going to come to shove. push is going to come to shove at some point. and the question is when anderson, so we're police called it singer campus today because we're seeing images and police putting somebody in a van. was that yeah. i'll assign the camp out. >> there were police there wasn't a large number, but outside the campus, there were police are still some nypd officers and we saw that arrest. there was a woman that was up on this poll actually

the light pole at 1:16 and broadway, she was putting up posters. she's said that police are telling her to get down. she refused. apparently, and that's when they took her away and put her in the van it's not clear she was arrested. they just took her away. maybe maybe they let her go a short time later. it's not clear what she was if she was basically charges at all, but she wasn't followed police orders. and that's why they let her away. >> it's not clear how much bigger these protests is going to be around the university to see on the other side of as any protests. >> but it's very quiet. i had over there, so it looks like we're in this stalemate between protesters and the university and at some points, push is going to come to shove it there into finals. now commencements in two weeks, the university clearly wants to get on with the business of being an educational institution. >> and there's more okay, guys, thanks very much joining us now from campus at columbia as a columbia student and cnn freelancer, john towfighi, i'm john howe. what have you seen today? how are things right now on campus?

>> yeah. thank you for having me on anderson today is a beautiful monday evening. >> in fact, it's the last day of classes for students at columbia college and the other other graduate schools. and we see a lot of students walking around campus. and of course notably, we see dozens of students still indian cabinet and anderson as your viewers would like to know today, university president minouche shafik put out a statement to the protesters in the encampment, saying they had until 2:00 p.m. to disband. and like i said, there are dozens of students define the university presence orders and still out on the lawns what's interesting to know is that this morning, minutiae feet an email to the columbia community at about 8:00 a.m. notifying people that negotiations between the students and the administrators had indeed ended. however, what was not said in the email was that at about 10:00 a.m. the university administration began to drop pamphlets in the encampment, notifying students of this too. pm deadline. as you can imagine, that drew a lot of people to campus to protect the

students from potential eviction by the administration so that actually drew more people to the encampment. >> so at this point, you said how large is the incumbent, right now to roughly? >> yeah. so since the encampment has been on the university grounds since wednesday, april 17, there have been roughly 200 students coming going, sleeping overnight in the encampment number is hard to pin down and show what i will say i was there on your laptop actually, is it behind you? i think i'm good luck. >> show you here so i'm directly outside of the encampment. you can see there are tense as i spin around. you can see columbia's butler library, which is the main library on campus. so the students are still out in force. and today, the students actually voted amongst themselves, whether they were going to adhere to the university's demand to disband or whether they're going to stay i was here watching that vote and i can tell you it was an overwhelming majority to stay with students raising their hands and cheering to stay on the encampment john

towfighi, i appreciate the report, john. thank you very much thank you. >> appreciate it. >> joining us now is lawrence summers, former clinton treasury secretary and former president of harvard university, where he is now president emiratis and the charles wlan university faeser, secretary summers. thank you for being with us. first of what is your reaction to these protests, which we are now seeing on campuses in colombia and in texas. we've seen the meta usc and other places these are very sad pictures students have a right to protest. they have a right to express themselves they don't have a right to disrupt and it's very clear that there are substantial disruption on many campuses and administrations have agonizingly difficult choices to make i wish they had made the decision not to allow these students to enter in the first place. i wish that they had rapidly threatened

escalating discipline and suspensions, the inability to graduate, the inability to get credit for the semester. i wish they had been much stronger in responding to earlier provocations of which there have been many since october 7 and i think if it had been managed right, we wouldn't be discussing police presences in the way that we are. i think it's not difficult to respond to some things. for example, the john harvard statue at harvard has been faced by a coffee are being placed on it for four days and no one has even removed that. so i think these are very difficult issues. i think there's a lot you can do who short of calling in the police. what it has to

be completely clear that you cannot disrupt with impunity. i also think that there's no reason why those who are not students who are disrupting campus active pivot ease should not be promptly arrested and charged with trespassing. i think just as anybody on a university campus, when they get funding from the outside for their activities is expected to be accountable. i think there needs to be close investigation who's of how these protest efforts are being funded. so this is not about which side you are or how you think about anti-zionism versus emt semitism. this is about basic concept of academic freedom which involves respect for order and to many campuses.

>> those values were not upheld with sufficient vigor over the last six months. let me know predictably skiing consequences now, let me ask you i'm wondering, aid. >> did you ever confronted situations like this when you were present in a harbor? i when i was at school in the 1985 to 89, there were anti-apartheid protests on campus this but it wasn't turning students against one another and students feeling threatened by other protesters were screaming at them. have you ever faced something like this? >> i did. there. we're not protests of this kind when i was at harvard, i think largely that was a function of the circumstance and what the particular moment was may also have had to do with the fact that there was a sense that there would be a strong and vigorous response. i agree with you that the thing that's most

like this that i can remember is the events that took place during the vietnam war period where there were threats epithets hurled at people who were in the military or who supported the vietnam war and where there were active attempts to demonize people who are members of the community and you are seeing that in the acts that are taking place towards jewish and zionists students. and that makes this a particularly repugnant form of speech in a way that was not the case in the apartheid protests or the a living wage protest. it i have to say that i've got very little sympathy

for these protesters and it seems to me that it a moral minimum they ought to recognize they feel what they're doing is profoundly just. but they should recognize as martin luther king did and as gandhi did, that, accepting punishment, even severe punishment was part of the act of civil disobedience, rather than trying to rally, rally allies to insist that they will not be disciplined. >> it also seems that some of these there's professors on campus at columbia who are encouraging these protests. they have tenure. they can't be fired the students can be kicked out. i was amazed to learn that one of the heads of the protests at columbia during a disciplinary committee zoo ed, that zionist should be killed. it didn't deserve to live and that wasn't grounds for expulsion. it's only now

that that person has been expelled from the school months after that was already out there i don't i'm not going to comment on the facts of that situation because i don't precisely know it but yes, something i saw at harvard was a dean from the lead, the title dean was busy feeding, passing food, burrito goes into protesters who occupied one of our university buildings and our administration did nothing about that. and now they're surprised that protests have grown and mushroom. so i think there's a real question about accountability for everyone. i think it is integral even though it's sometimes painful and problematic for faculty to have the right to express opinions in a very freeway that's academic freedom. but

acting on those opinions with respect to student discipline, having that freedom be extended to making statements on behalf of the university, having that freedom be extended. >> to what they do when they're supposed to be objective judges. >> that's a much, much more problematic thing. >> i had. there needs to be a lot of soul searching about the way universities are governed. and my own sense is that trustees who or the ultimate fiduciary is you make all these rules about tenure at everything else have been much too passive route, too much of this set. >> lawrence summers, i really appreciate your time today. thank you very much. >> thank you for joining us now is former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, also charles ramsey, former philadelphia police commissioner, before that, police chief for the district of columbia, andrew, how important is it in your view for university and it's kinda situation. >> i mean, how you know the

decision to actually bring in local law enforcement columbia. i don't think that had been done really until since the 19 late 19, i think 1968 was the last time actually police nypd were called in on the campus yeah. >> interesting. it's an incredibly impactful decision and it's one that lawn or university administrators should consider very closely before they do that. because once you bring law enforcement in law enforcement is a very blunt tool. >> they are, they're predominantly because the university is, has reached out and said, hey, we are the property owners. >> there are people here trespassing on our property in a way that we don't support and we need your help to remove those people so that's basically what law enforcement can do, particularly in these private spaces, private universities it's things like that. so they're going to come in and try to help disperse the people who are no longer welcome in that space and they're gonna do it by announcing that you have to

leave and setting a deadline. but ultimately that removal of people becomes a very confrontational and hard to watch spectacle. but again, like law enforcement is very limited in the tools that they can bring to that conflict. and ultimately they bring those tools at the behest of university administrators and chief ramsey, once a law enforcement is on the scene, what is the process? because of dealing with approach credit protests group that's been asked to disperse well, i mean, hopefully you always hope that people will do so peacefully, but clearly in many of these instances, that's not taking place. >> so the officers will use a minimal amount of force but it doesn't look good and police are in the middle. i mean, you get asked to go to the university to deal with the situation but what's being shown on tv or the cops in the demonstrators and it just

doesn't look good. so you do the best you can to try to resolve it peacefully. >> but the law i'm going to this goes the more difficult is going to be in my opinion, many of these universities made a huge mistake by allowing these encampments to start in the first place. they only get larger and more difficult to get rid of. >> and so they're really behind the curve right now. >> you have graduations coming up pretty soon columbia the university of texas those are the areas where the commencement is going to take place. >> and many of these kids that are graduating they didn't have a high school graduation because of covid. and now they may miss the opportunity to march in college. i mean, it's not fair for them and when cave charles ramsey. thank you. coming up next what we can expect tomorrow on the stand when prosecution testimony in the form of prisoners in new york trial picks back up. also will hear from independent women voters in the key state of north carolina from across the political spectrum would they have to say but how the trial and a conviction would affect their decision hello

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social network from reposted a clip of central lindsey graham telling cnn's dana bash that all the trump trials are political and in the center of senators were selective prosecution just ahead tonight, we're going to hear from a group of undecided women voters in the key state of north carolina and get their take on this trial. but first cnn's kara scannell joins us with what we can expect for tomorrow. so who's starting on the stand tomorrow do we know who's next? >> so on the san tomorrow will still be michael cohen's banker. he started testifying on friday and he was beginning thank you for the jury a sense of the documents in this case because he was he testified michael cohen was in a hurry to set up bank accounts for two shell companies. one of those companies, essential consultants is the one that ultimately pay the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels, the hush money? so tomorrow i expect the jury will see these wire transfers and it will give them a sense of how this happened all before michael cohen is even called to the witness stand, but setting up some of the documents in this case, there is a period in this

trial. this is about falsified documents where we're going to have to see some documents and not the sort of narrative testimony that we've got from david pecker in the idea that this was rushed is important for the prosecution to kind of show that the urgency of it before the election exactly the first one that michael cohen was setting up was to handle the reimbursement to ami for paying karen mcdougal, ultimately, ami call that often said they didn't want to do the reimbursement. >> the second one was for the stormy daniels payment and we've seen the creation of these companies through the documents on friday and now we'll get the sense of the money trial from here i want to bring in also former federal prosecutor, cnn senior legal analyst elie honig, and best-selling author, geoffrey tube and jeff who would you expect take the stand next? there they are working up to michael cohen. i don't know if he will be next, but he will be soon, but these this testimony, it's not the most thrilling stuff in the world to see the czechs and the financial transactions put in into evidence. but this is going to

corroborate michael cohen when it's going to be very important testimony that the prosecution is going to say, look, michael cohen didn't invent these transactions. here are the money that pet changed hands. here is how it was done here, we've when it was done. so it's very important that this testimony come before michael cohen because it will corroborate him, at least in part when he does take this and that's important you've given his credibility problems. >> yeah. look the goal of prosecutors, the task that prosecutors have to deal with is they have to support michael cohen every possible way they can checks financial documents, ledgers, other witnesses because they understand michael cohen is a rickety witness he's got he has major credibility problems and what they want to be people to do is stand in front of the jury, however many weeks we're now and say, you don't have to worry. face value on any of this because every important thing he said to you is backed up by some document or some other witness that's the whole ballgame here in my view, there's also another gag order hearing scheduled for later this week.

>> all right. on thursday, there's a gag order hearing for for new violations are alleged violations that prosecutors have already brought up. >> i mean, we could get a ruling on the initial gag order violations as are the ten violations that were argued before the judge last week in that case. >> the judge said that trump's lawyers weren't really giving them anything to hang his hat on. he seemed really skeptical of their arguments while trump didn't violate the gag order. so one thing we'll be looking for tomorrow is does the judge rule on that before the hearing on thursday, which is a separate set of statements. >> one thing i find somewhat strange is that he hasn't ruled on the first set of gag order alleged gag order violations yet because i mean, part of the reason you have again hi, go order is you want to stop any sort of bad behavior on the part of the people who were gagged there is a good case that trump has already violated it, but the judge hasn't ruled on it yet. >> now, it's like a perpetual motion machine he keeps violating the gag order more according to the prosecution. so they keep sending more hearings there should be a

ruling very soon. >> i'm mystified by this. i mean, i'm officially retired from the art of predicting when this judges will rule on this because i think i've said every day it has to be today and i think he's leaving the door open. i wasn't judge machines doing a good job so far he's the kind of judge i would like to appear in front of as a prosecutor, he's keeping order and efficiency in that courtroom. but this is a blind spot for him. i don't get what the delay is in terms. i mean, is it likely stormy daniels would be called as a likely karen mcdougal would be cool, i think, yes. on both probably, i think because they're necessarily helpful. >> let's say not not necessarily necessary, but helpful to the prosecution in sort of playing up this case in showing the jury who the human beings we're here. but the thing to keep in mind, i'm really looking for how is the defense can cross examine them because neither of them has testimony that goes to the heart of the crime, the heart of the crime has jeff was saying before, it's not the alleged affairs, it's not the hush money it's not the national enquirer, it's the way that those financial transactions were structured and accounted for. and an

effective cross of stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, both of whom you've met anderson, i think seem likable and personable enough and effective cross would just be to go, you don't have the first idea how these payments to you. were accounted for in the bucks. do you? they'll say no. that's fine. but that's that would be an effective cross. >> i agree. but we're not going to do it, but yeah. >> they're not gonna do it because the defense lawyers here have to please their client and their client wants them wants him to fight once they're his lawyers to fight on every issue, even if a short cross like that might be more effective. >> elie honig, jeffrey tube and the kara scannell. thanks so much. we'll stay on the topic, obviously with a look at how women voters all undecided in north carolina from across the political spectrum are reacting to this trial. part of continuing series by our randy k. this thanks et for sure investments. we may look like other money managers, but were different. >> you can't be that different we are we have a team of specialists it's not only an investing, but also in financial and estate planning

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undecided republican, democratic, and independent women voters in north carolina, which the former president narrowly won in 2020, it's part of three, 60 is continuing series that 53%, which is the average proportion of women voters and presidential elections since 2000 randy's report out would you like to play it's not the catch and kill that's the issue it's the cover-up that's the worst part. it's the devil's in the cover up. well the accountant but numbers don't add up not math completely sees himself as teflon like he does nothing sticks to him and i'm really nervous that he's starting to look like he's right. >> one of these is going to have to take him down. i just can't see how you slither out of 90 plus charges how many of you believe that trump's should be on trial?

>> for this? raise your hand all of you there is not only smoke, there is fire. >> how many times can you say it's a witch on i'm personally tired hearing it. >> so if he's misappropriating campaign funds or election funds, then yeah, he needs to be prosecuted if we have one person who is above the law then what is the purpose of the law? >> sure. calton wrote it down right recorded it. you got witnesses who said you did it. >> it's what he's paying for even in the store because the porn star then we're characterizing in cash the gating the women. >> they were doing a job. so prosecutors say that trump has violated latest his gag order, attacking prosecutors, witnesses, jurors, does any of this surprise you that this person has something more powerful than money. he has an audience, he has rabid audience yeah, it is very willing to do whatever they want. so then does even $1,000 per violation

or going to jail for any period of time. is that enough? even his influence? >> and have to go to solitary because secret service cannot write, cannot that came in general population. >> i don't put him under the jail but do not we do not shriek from putting other inmates in solitary confinement that's fine. there. >> and shut up. he could talk to the walls. he can talk to the threats. >> i don't care when it comes to your president, do ethics matter? the leadership of the free world? >> yeah, ethics matter, of course they matter to hear about it. >> he doesn't know or care about anyone except himself. >> some of those stories might have deterred some of that electorate from actually voting for him, pushing for the far right side of the republican party. >> none of trump's family has been in court with them to show your tort including wife melania i think she did her

duty when she served for years and that was her servant four years? yeah. yeah. she did not sign up to serve no trial so you know, she's going to be criticized for not showing up he's going to be criticized for showing up. and if it i take the bullet on not showing up when he was in she had no choice but to be present. >> now, she has a choice to say, i don't need to be part of it. >> if trump is convicted in this hush-money case, would any of you still consider voting? for him convicted? no. no, no. not if convicted, how do you allow them to have somebody do an executive order? when the thing convicted of a crime, right. >> if you break the law and it's been proven, how can you dig take you break the laws and attorney your licenses? >> second ultimately is public servant. so if you are going to be paying people hush money tell me how we can trust you with the highest office in this country. but aside from that is how do you enforce any punishment that he's given if the punishment is jail, the

argument is going to be butterfly of alcatraz book. >> guantanamo bay could go and then can we have a sitting president who's technically supposed to be sitting in jail like that also worries me. >> i'm praying for third party at this point did the women you have thoughts on the witnesses in the trial so far yeah, they did anderson we talked to them about david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer. and he's the one who took the immunity deal, as you know, and then was the first witness for the prosecution and they felt that even though he had taken the immunity deal, he was a credible witness and we did have to women who are lawyers in our group. i also talked to them anderson about their concerns about what might happen if donald trump is convicted in this case and they do have real concerns that it would just ignite his base reignite his base really, and that they would see this as a baseless conviction. if that does happen, and then that

would just be another reason that they would say that there's another attempt at stealing the election. so they have real concerns about that anderson, but you could hear how really disgusted they are with donald trump and they were two women in our group who had voted for donald trump. so they are undecided, but certainly very turned off by donald trump and very concerned about what might happen in this, in this trial if he's convicted and also concerned about his role in this whole scheme, anderson. >> all right. randy, thanks so much coming up next to cnn exclusive of gangs in haiti controlling whole neighborhoods and uk capital or david culver made a dangerous journey into one gangs territory, interview their leader. he's on the fbi's ten most wanted fugitives list david's report. as you can see, a lot of hits water would help with this dry spots that's known disease. but scott's healthy plus will cure it lawn disease, going around. >> so like other people have it and it's not recover back and the newscaster field are healthy plus lomb through today no application fee if you apply by may 31st at university of

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haiti's prime minister officially announce his resignation, giving power to a transitional council that will try to restore order. the ganglia are who spoke was seen as david culver is one of many accused of helping destabilise the caribbean nation. as i mentioned, he's one of the fbi's ten most wanted fugitives, would david found in his exclusive report this war torn the intersection in port-au-prince is the blurred boundary signaling. >> we are now in gang territory this is an area where you have never been to before we're told to drive to this road and someone will meet us. >> hizon us that he's sending somebody who we are to just wait for that person it looks like a vehicle here, truck the armed men in the front seat motion for us to follow. so we do over rocky and flooded streets we're venturing deeper into land that for months, haitian security experts have

warned stay away from it but we'd been assured by this gangs leader that will be safe we only hope his messaging reached all the checkpoints four guys in the car behind us as well. so fully s us and now they've added a motorbike with two guys after 45 minutes. >> all right this guy in front of us now see went to be leading us to some sort of house good without to step out and meet veto loam innocent considered by both us and haitian authorities to be a violent criminal and leader of the crossbar e. a. >> gang. he's one of the fbi's ten most wanted with a bounty of up to $2 accused and the kidnapping of american missionaries and the death of another american hostage. >> be alone, rarely seeks media attention yet given he commands what some us officials say is

the largest gang in port-au-prince. >> and his domain includes the us embassy. we wanted to better understand his motives. feet alone agrees to meet us. hi there on his turf. >> i'm david flanked by his followers. he leads us inside this flashy mansion and so is this. >> your home in a room filled with gold rimmed furniture and stuffed animals. >> i asked him about the crisis engulfing haiti so exactly. >> our dream is to rid the country of the corrupt oligarchs and politicians who are holding us back. he says, we need to get rid of the system and returned stability to haiti he speaks with intention and calls for greater dialogue if it's the same system that's been in power, then as armed groups, we will never put down our weapons. he says. >> and so do you have regular communications with as you say, the other armed groups? >> we phone? >> yes. we're united. he tells

me the gangs have formed a coalition known as the von psalm, or living together and collectively they push back on foreign intervention, holding tight their grips over are fragile lectured state, some using terror tactics like kidnapping, rape, and murder to sustain control is that something you participated in an ordering? >> your men and women to kidnap he says he hopes to defend themselves against those allegations and while not denying his followers have kidnapped people. he deflects blame to outside forces for creating a state of corruption as he sees it he is eager to show us other parts of his home and territory and introduces us to his top commander for your his cousin security experts suggest a baraye has more than 1,000 armed gang members, including recently escaped inmates as you can see, a lot of his armed soldiers and followers are around us and he

suggested that we follow in dr. with them he brings us to the edge of his territory. we notice his guards, normally curious and watching us are instead looking outward cautiously toward another gangs territory. a reminder that the coalition of gangs might be more fragile than portrayed in the midst of our tour, and disturbing video starts circulating on whatsapp. it reportedly shows that devastating and deadly aftermath of an allied gang attack on a community a few miles from where we are the destruction, the violence, the deaths that have played out. do you take any responsibility for that while she was on my cities on key to play reverb. >> he only says he made mistakes and is not perfect. >> he blames politicians were interrupted, something nearby puts his guards on edge we pick up the conversation a short distance away senior editor caitlin hu further pressing for an explanation to the we've seen in haiti. but we have also

met in hospitals women, children, innocent people who've been burned of course, leave their homes who had been shot, who have been raped why are innocent people suffering in this struggle? >> simple sensibilities he does not clearly answer. instead, he frames the months of deadly street violence as collateral damage. a points to finger at police saying they refuse to engage in dialogue and instead, recklessly opened fire police say they're desperately trying to keep the gangs from gaining more ground. veto long claims to be a man of faith to vout in practicing voodoo, a common religion here in haiti i've heard rumors and i don't know how through there. so i asked you that, you have voodoo protection. do you feel that protection yes. >> he tells me confidently, adding that he prays daily for his fellow haitians ultimately, what is it going to take to bring stability and a future of

calm to this country? moody shot won't plus eqip. >> he says he any other armed groups need to be included in discussions of haiti's future. that's the only way he sees convincing gang members to drop their guns in exchange for a future outside of violence of it as curfew nears, we head back the way we came, pete alone, stopping several times along the way, mingling with locals, and in our food smiling as though on a campaign trail we're going he wants us to meet these two men blind refugees. >> they tell us veto long took them in, but it leaves us wondering why help these men enforced so many other there's out of their homes. look at actions over words. he tells me as we near the edge of his territory and the end of are 05 our visit.

>> that's not hang around here be the alarm gets out of his motorcade, waves for us to move forward and strolls to the desludging street corner. i'll abortion. >> he then comes to our door and shakes each of our hands. his actions intentional and symbolic here we. are just blocked in yosemite and that's fairly demonstration of how competent he is he has around him as play in a show of force a flexing of strength in a lawless nation where today at least gangs hold the power and david joins us now what, what's the latest with the kenyan police force that's supposed to one day come and this transitional council, did they i mean, is there any hope ahead for haiti in terms of regaining control of the streets? right? so this is the mss, the multinational security

support that you're referring to andersen and as of now, it's on hold until the trend conditional counsel's able to vote for an acting prime minister or somebody to take charge. >> that's what the kenyans were asking for, and that's why they held off because they said right now nobody is really in charge, so we don't want to send them into total dysfunction. but now it seems like with this transitional council now in place, they are moving towards some sort of stability in brian to establish them that mss to come in, what's really interesting is last week, there was a breaking of the seal, if you will, at the port-au-prince airport, it's been shut down to commercial flights for several weeks. we've had to go in through various other means. pudding helicopters to figure out how to tell the story. but the breaking of the seal came when a us fixed-wing aircraft touchdown and it was quite symbolic because it's bringing in officially some added supplies for the us embassy in port-au-prince, which happens to be in vitro, lumps territory, but it also suggests

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there have 48,000 students. and again, we're talking about a couple of hundred. and so less than 1%. >> and how many of them are actually students? >> a lot of them are not students, so they conceal their faces entirely. so you can't even tell who's an outside agitator and who's an actual student. but it's sad way that like all the kids deserved to be able to study all the kids deserve a commencement all the kids deserve a graduation and a small minority or disrupting disrupting the opportunity for everyone and just violating the rules. >> what would you like to see universities doing that they are not currently yeah. >> i mean, it's really, it's sort of bizarre the way the president's are stumbling i think, but there are some simple things to do. >> number one, they do need to re institute law and order like president's somerset earlier, not with excessive force, but you need to make sure the students understand they got to play by the rules. so number one, you need to make sure all the students are save i've talked enough jewish students to know they feel intimidated

and managed and there haven't been consequences. so that's under two. >> if you violate the rules, administration shouldn't make concessions to you. as we saw happen at columbia in northwestern, there needs to be consequences. again, if you violate the rules, you should be suspended like anyone else. and then number three no full face masking. again, i just don't think it's appropriate and it doesn't impinge upon your freedom of speech. you that you shouldn't dress up. i an isis fighter right? like there's no rule that says the school needs to tolerate students oregon at outside activists dressing like they're in al-qaeda. >> we also had an incident we're one of the student leaders at columbia talked openly to administrators about the thing zionist shouldn't live, and they didn't do anything about it, is hard to understand why they're making cons concessions rather than consequences. >> but you're right, like kill the zionists. a threatening their other classmates. this is not just dangerous for jewish students, although it is, it's also