with wide fits, get your slip is dry wipe fits, sketcher slip one of the biggest art heist in history. and that art has never been recovered dna wasn't on at the time and a lot of the forensic capability that exists, not even a fraction of it was existed at the time the security in museums at the time, it was almost primitive. >> so the investigators did what they could with what they had i think initially there's a lot of speculation, a belief there organized crime was involved there's talk of whitey mole juror, who was one of boston's most notorious gangsters could he have been involved but if you're in boston on the morning of march 18, 1990 and you hear that not one not two but three

rembrandts had been stolen. you think of only one person? you think of miles connor tune in this sunday at 9:00 p.m. for how it really happened, gardner art heist, stealing, beauty, sit a news night with abby phillip starts right now a cnn exclusive, the bad boy, caught brutalizing his girlfriend on tape. that's it's tonight on newsnight good evening. >> i'm abby phillip in new york, new tonight video exclusively obtained by cnn, offers a direct contradiction to sean diddy combs is claims that he did nothing wrong. the rap mogul insisted back in december, the people were assassinating his character, destroying his reputation with sickening allegations for a quick payday i did not do any of these awful things being alleged but it turns out he did

do precisely what his former girlfriend, cassie ventura alleged in a lawsuit that she has since settled. ventura claim that in that suit, the rapper followed her around in a hotel hallway that was back in 2016, he yelled, grant asked her through a glass vase at her. the surveillance footage from that newly shuttered intercontinental hotel in los angeles mirrors exactly ventura's words in horrifying detail. representatives for combs have not responded to that video as of tonight, and the hotel says it doesn't have access to any footage or incident reports but the silent and shocking surveillance video of the rapper beating and kicking and throwing his partner tells an undeniable story of abuse i want to warn our viewers of what we're about to show you is graphic. but it is also the dictionary definition of domestic violence new surveillance footage

obtained exclusively by cnn appears to corroborate some of the allegations of abuse against music mogul sean diddy combs, the video captions should on multiple cameras shows combs wearing only a towel, assaulting his then girlfriend, cassie ventura, in a hallway at a los angeles hotel in march 2016, a lawsuit filed by ventura in november last year and settled the next day, referenced actions that seemed to match those seen in this video. >> there is no audio according to the complaint, comes became extremely intoxicated in punch. ms ventura in the face, giving her a black eye, which according to the lawsuit, prompted ventura to try and leave the hotel room. the surveillance video obtained by cnn begins as she enters the hallway. the complaint says, as she exited, mr. combs awoke and began screaming at ms ventura. >> he followed her into the hallway of the hotel while yelling at her. >> the complaint goes on to say he grabbed her and then took glass vases in the hallway and

threw them at her in the surveillance video comes can be seen grabbing ventura in throwing her to the ground as ventura lies on the ground, combs than kicks her twice and attempts to drag her on the floor back to the hotel room. ventura is seen picking up a hotel phone. comb seems to walk back to the hotel room, then returns and appears to shove her in a corner. moments later, he can then be seen throwing an object in her direction. according to ventura's. now settled lawsuit, the pair began dating several years after they met in 2005. they parted ways in 2019. combs attorney said the decision to settle was in no way an admission of wrongdoing. ventura declined to comment on the video, but her attorney told cnn the gut wrenching video has only he further confirmed the disturbing and predatory behavior of mr. combs. words cannot express the courage and fortitude that ms ventura has shown in coming forward to bring this to light? the video hasn't been seen publicly

before and comes on the heels of a series of civil lawsuits alleging combs involvement in sex trafficking and sexual abuse allegations that combs has repeatedly denied authorities, searched combs homes in los angeles and miami and march, as part of an ongoing federal investment carried out by a team that specializes in human trafficking crimes in a december 2023 statement, combs responded to the claims in some of the lawsuits saying sickening allegations have been made against me by individuals looking for a quick payday let me be absolutely clear. i did not do any of the awful things being alleged elizabeth wagmeister. >> thank you for that report. let's discuss this massive outcry over the story with former editor in chief of ebony magazine, karen a. mayo, manhattan criminal defense attorney, stacey schneider and entertainment attorney dante stacy i just want to kind of put a button on really, the

events that we saw unfold here, which is the lawsuit was settled almost instantaneously, and i have to wonder if it's because that video was out there somewhere. maybe they had it, maybe they knew it existed but that video is such clear corroboration. it seems of what was written in that lawsuit. it's very hard to deny what is there. >> it's true. first of all, with the video word is that sean combs or p. diddy purchase that video for $50,000 from the hotel. now, that's a little odd because when a lawsuit starts both sides have subpoena power to gather evidence and it can be subpoenaed surveillance video can always be subpoenaed into a lawsuit. but it is very unusual like you pointed out that this lawsuit was settled so quickly. usually there's time things don't go that fast in civil court, their allegations made, there are responses, their attempts to

settle, their attempts to get the plaintiff who's asking she was asking for $30 million to get the number down to see if there can be a settlement. it is very very unusual how quickly it went as to the video, which is obviously disturbing the thing that i see in the video which had this gone to a criminal court. and right now, the statute of limitations, she didn't press charges in criminal court. ms ventura, she brought the civil lawsuit the statute of limitation in los angeles would have the bring criminal charges, but had she done that and you watched that video? i see at least three counts of assault, one for the first punch two additional counts for the second, the two kicks that followed. then i see account of potentially unlawful imprisonment for when he grabbed the back of her jacket, what it looked like and pulled her along paul way he restricted her on unlawfully restricted her ability to move and then i see it even another crime when he picked up her belongings and took them with him that could potentially be a threat. i'm sorry, a theft charge. it could be even a

robbery if he intended to keep the property unlawfully or attain it. so he would have been in serious trouble had she gone a law enforcement route? >> i mean, karina the other thing that you see in that video is just what he would do in a hallway. yeah. i think everyone is imagining what happens behind closed doors, which was really what cassius lawsuit was all about exactly. it's exactly what she alleged and, you know, abby for me, what it brings up is what we have to witness in order to believe women cassie gave us the color play by play. >> we knew this without this but it's, only in this instance when so many people are now understanding that what she's alleging. >> and i'm imagining that what she alleged is only a fraction of the story. it's not the entire story. it's not everything that puffy has been known to do. it's i was rocked

by it. i was nauseated and i could only think about all of the cassius one in four women in this country, women are more than half of the population in this country 25% of us know that moment when this video happens for me, it's a trigger and i'm imagining for many women, it's traumatizing in ways that is really hard to articulate i'm i'm even shaky right now thinking about it. and i mean to be because i don't think that we should lose the humanity here. we often talk about the legal perspective, the legal aspect but our common sense isn't legislated in that way we know better, we know right from wrong collectively, individually, and not enough of us col. a thing a thing when it's happening. so it's really unfortunate. i'm hoping and

praying that cassie didn't discover this in much the way that the rest of the nation did online, on television. somewhere. i hope that there was some prior notice i hope that we will consider the human beings that actually suffer at the hands of violent people as people. and that were not so quick to forget that real lives are impacted. i think about piphus children, namely his daughters. i think about how many times he's been on the cover of essence magazine? yeah. >> you know, i could go on and the we've shown him the kind of love that he clearly has not reciprocate. yeah two careless point. >> i mean, not just women in general, but there are a lot of people who have accused him very recently of wrongdoing. i'm looking at a list here. sexual assault accusations, rape allegations of sexual abuse. all kinds of different allegations that have been brought forward just in 2013, just in the last year so

there's that there's the raid on his home's by a sex trafficking unit essentially there's trouble ahead. it seems for diddy well, there should be and i'll say this. >> i happened to be the only male on this panel now, but i'm going to look at this camera here and say sean combs does not represent real men. sean combs does not represent blackmun what he did was unacceptable and is not what a real man, a black man, any man should do to women, period, full stop now, we can talk about the legal aspect of it there is a statute of limitations thing that we have in place as three years. yeah. >> sometimes there's a way around it. if a crime has recently found out or if there's a assault victim who was afraid to come forward. so there is a possibility that they because still move forward and advance this case, even though there is a three-year statute in california. the other part to this though, is

it can you were talking about it's very difficult when you have someone who has high standing four victims to come forward because they don't think they're going to be believed i would hope that with this video it empowers anyone who had any similar experiences with sean combs to speak up and i think i would hope that people would believe them back them and try to get justice on their behalf because that's what they deserve. and there is no there's no good in this video at all. but if it empowers people to come forward, knowing that they're going to be believed. you would hope that that's something that they can do want to just say something. >> i think the lawsuits that are now at the other lawsuits that are pending against him the five, four, or five lawsuits. now, with similar types of allegations including the human trafficking, including sexual assault, all those things. i think those lawyers will and i appreciate your message to women very much. there's another angle here also that the lawyers in

those cases now, i think are really going to scrutinize those cases a lot more closely. because if that's out there, what else is out there? maybe they should be looking for surveillance video in the areas where their alleged acts were were said to have occurred. >> and we do have to go, but i just want to leave just one word for the enablers. yes, because you don't get what we saw on that video without a lot of people enabling this to happen. >> it's true. >> a friend of mine, dear friend, her name is ally abrams. she's a hi profile survivor sent this to me is not just that it happened to her to you, to me, to hundreds of millions of other women. is that an entire community stood by knowing this about him and continuing to support him as long as it was financially and socially beneficial, abusers don't act alone. there are large group sympathizers and enablers that allow this to become a reality for far too many and so this is not just

about high-profile folk. this is about your sister. this is about your roommate. this is about everyday women and everyday man. it must be disrupted. we have to speak out loud about these instances. we cannot enable and timeline eye when people are violent against women. yeah, it happens way too often, every single day. >> karina, stacy, and dante. thank you all very much. and we want to remind everyone that there is eight national domestic violence hotline fine online at hotline.org or by phone at 80799, safe and up next, the congresswoman at the center of that fight with marjorie taylor greene over on capitol hill, will join me to tell her side story why she's calling taylor greene a racist. jasmine crockett's is i think your fake eyelashes are messing up order i spent a lot of time

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meeting. >> a late night house oversight markup last night was derailed for nearly an hour after greene mocked crockett, you can see for yourself do you know what we're here for? we're here you know what you're here for well, you don't want to talk about i think your fake eyelashes are messing up order mr. chairman of your committee order, please use a point of order. >> we have a point of order mr. lynch, i do have a point of order and i would like to move to take down ms greene's words that is absolutely unacceptable. how dare you are your feelings, her words down oh, oh, girl, baby, girl. oh, really don't even play baby girl. i don't think you're going to move and we're going to take your words down second that motion.

>> now after that, there was a failed vote to strike greene's comments from the record and she was allowed to continue her remarks. and that's when crockett stepped back into the fray. >> i'm just curious just to better understand your ruling. if someone on this committee then starts talking about somebody's bleach blonde, bad built butch body that would not be engaging in personalities, correct. >> what now? >> chairman i make i make a motion to strike those applications. i get khan down. calm. no, no, no. because proceed you're not recognized you with your mom down, you please call me to calm down you are out of control as it for $5 green brushed off any criticism that she got over the last 24 hours writing g this aoc is an intelligent jasmine crockett

has fake eyelashes. >> these aren't attacks on personalities, these are just facts congresswoman, thanks for being here. fit of all, i wonder in that moment in the hearing room, why did you react the way that you did to the comment that marjorie taylor greene made about you? >> so i want to clarify that. i actually did not react instantaneously i actually was trying to allow the process to work. so you heard from aoc, who is our vice ranking member, and you heard from jamie raskin, who's our ranker as we attempted to go through the process there was an agreement and of course, marjorie has be marjorie and she refused to actually apologize. therefore, i need to clarification as to why the chairman refused to actually take her words down, which meant that she would be kicked out of the committee room for the rest of the hearing, which would have been appropriate now, the part that

i think really kinda frankly caught the internet of fire is when you described green in this request for clarification as a bleach blonde bad built, butch body had to look at my notes to read any, regrets about that kind of language especially given that you were trying to make a point a frankly, about decorum in the hearing room i have no regrets and i'll tell you why. >> because marjorie taylor greene is the type of person that if you give her an inch, she'll take a mile. and the fact that they continue to allow her to break the rules of decorum over and over and over, whether it's the state of the union that the president is delivering. and she's wearing a maga hat or otherwise, the reason that she didn't have committee assignments before was because she did not know how to conduct herself as a member of congress. and so if i just sit there and say, oh, well, marjorie said it about me, what's the soccer to continue to do it again and

again. and at the end of the day, i was elected as a representative of congress. but that doesn't mean that i'm supposed to be someone biden's doorman but michelle obama famously said, when they go low, we go high, or are those days basically over i don't know that we can even call this a low i mean, she goes to hell and then i do my best to remind her as to why she should not cross me. >> so one of your colleagues, jamie raskin, actually suggested that some members might have been drinking, others have said that as well as making that suggestion that's a pretty serious allegation. do you think that that played a factor here? >> i think when marjorie taylor greene, it doesn't require alcohol for her to be unhinged. i'll be perfectly honest. i don't know. i don't have any effects so that so i won't say and i won't participate in rumours. what i don't have any facts behind it. >> so you also called green

racist for what she said about you why is that? yeah because as i've received so many amazing compliments from maga america throughout my time in congress. >> a lot of times when i would go viral instead of them trying to address the things that i laid out in a very fateful way. what they would try to do is say a look at her hair, look at her nails, are looking her lashes and they would all then associate anything that i do as a form of beautification with being put unquote ghetto. and so to me, he was just basically repeating the nonsense that maga world is constantly putting out there because i am not the only woman in congress there, whereas lashes and there are women on her side of the aisle that where lashes as well as well as hair extensions. but she's never felt like that was a dig that he needed to take it. anyone except for me, a black woman who sits on the

committee and then of course she went after aoc and calls her intelligent, a brown one. and this is on the committee cnn actually asked her for comment and this is a statement that we've received. >> she said the only member that brought up any reference to college miller was congresswoman crockett she's putting that on you i brought it up land when we weren't committee, it definitely did not come up. >> when i was asked about whether or not i felt like she was being racist, i told the truth, which was absolutely yes. but ultimately, in committee that was not part of the conversation was deliver house speaker mike johnson weighed in on all of this. he called the situation regrettable. he stressed the importance of decorum. here's part of his statement. he said it's something that i talk about often with all of our colleagues on both sides. the aisle, and we'll continue to advance that important principle. i think it's important for us to show that to the country that job done. and even when we agree and disagree, vehemently, we've got

to treat one another with dignity and respect. how do you think that house minority leader hakeem jeffries would have handled the situation. and frankly, actually did you hear from leader jeffries about what transpired in that committee room? >> i did not speak to the leader jeffries, as you know, we were there so almost midnight last night. we came on the floor and we only have one vote. so it was kind of in and out, but i will tell you that i had an opportunity to speak with speaker emerita pelosi she was actually the first person that i saw when i walked onto the floor when aware that she was aware of what transpired but she absolutely basically gave me a high in a series of words explaining that these people are crazy and that she's specifically basically need to be put in her place. so she had seen it. this morning on tv and definitely tell me great job for standing your ground that was so that was the

reaction from the former speaker pelosi. >> but here's your democratic colleague in the senate, john fetterman. he tweeted this, this morning in the past, i've just the us house as the jerry springer show today. i'm apologizing to the jerry springer show were you surprised at all to see him way in that fashion about it? >> i don't know why the senator said to weigh in, and it's weird that he would weigh in specifically on decorum when there are plenty of people that complain about the fact that he wears a sweatshirt. the cynics i miss this one of those things. >> so you know what until you have walked a de and my shoes, i honestly would prefer that you give us the benefit of the doubt especially as colleagues on the same side of the aisle, he has never had to deal with marjorie taylor greene. >> now, i applaud those that have pushed back against terms such as the kim bucks of the world, they decided, you know what i want out of here. and so many other republicans that

have just decided that they can't deal in a space that involves her, but i think the american people deserve better and i'm just ready for the american people to rise up and say, this is not the type of politics we want. we want people that will focus on us that focus on pleasing this radical few people in the country. but instead, we'll focus on the many of us and try to make our lives better all right. >> congresswoman jasmine crockett's thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> absolutely have a good one. >> up next, justice samuel alito is now blaming his wife for the mega symbol that was at their home. he's offering a curious new explanation involving slurs we'll discuss that next hey there, brenda.

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los angeles in this is cnn the real maga housewives of the supreme court of the united states today. >> more explanation from justice samuel alito about how this upside-down american flag and symbol of election deniers across the country ended up flying outside of his home just days after the insurrection now alito claimed, again in a conversation with a fox anchor that his wife was the one who hoisted the flag. he explained how the incident was the result of a neighborhood dispute, and he also says that his wife was called the seaward by a neighbor. the justice said his wife flew the inverted flag in response to another flag put up in the neighborhood bearing the words f trump joining me now is former lieutenant governor and columnist for the new york post. betsy mccoy, coleman hughes, author of the end of race politics, associate professor of history at johns hopkins university, leah wright rigueur, dante mills, is back with us leah, what do you make of the second? bite at the

apple by via justice alito about explaining how this insurrection is symbol ended up outside of his house so i don't buy it. >> i'm sure the lawyers on the planet and the panel will tell me that i have to buy but it's a good legal advice any a good legal strategy, it's a good fence but i'm incredibly disturbed by the idea that in response to getting into an argument, a very nasty argument with a neighbor that the responses to put up in an insurrection as flag or to support and insurrectionist movement. and so i think that part of what alito is trying to do is to make to find a plausible explanation that works. the point that i think is important here is that it actually doesn't matter what explanation he comes up with because there's no mechanism for holding anyone on the supreme court accountable. other than the mechanisms the actual guardrails of this other supreme court justices so they have a code of ethics at they instituted in 2023, but it

actually doesn't mean anything besides, they all sign onto it and they say, we will try and be ethical in our jobs. so this is i think part of the court of public opinion and trying to make an explanation, but it's not actually necessary for alito to do it. >> it may not be in the letter for of the laws, so to speak, when it comes to ethics but should there not be just standards of basic conduct that say we are going to try to stay as far away from partisan politics while i'm sitting on this court. >> and by we, i mean me and my immediate family sure. >> a it's a bad judgment call by mrs. alito to be sure but we don't actually and shouldn't have a standard that says your spouse can have political ads on there. we go. >> it's actually his spouse. that's his word. it's flying outside of his home where he lives well, he says it's espouse. i don't have any information to the contrary right. >> that's right. and let's let's let's look at the setting of this because ever since the dobbs decision

regarding abortion, the neighborhoods surrounding justice alito's house. justice alito wrote the majority decision in that case. has been swarming with neighbors who are very angry and outside protestors as well. and it culminated one day in this very angry argument when some of the neighbors called mrs. alito, the seaward and according to the justice, mrs. alito went home and flew the flag upside down, which is a symbol that would cause many people concern. but let's put this in perspective. there is so much push from the left to convince americans that the court is in donald trump's pocket. but if you look at the facts, four cases have been decided by this court regarding donald trump for allready. he lost three of them. he lost the two cases and 2020 trump versus maize are and trump versus vance, right? in

2021, he lost the pennsylvania election case about how votes were counted in pennsylvania during the presidential election. he's only one, one case, the colorado ballot case decided this march, and that was decided, you nana asleep even the far left duress on that court decided that it was farcical more generally, it is not it's not just about the court generally. i mean, obviously, it is not alito alone if they're nine justices. >> but look, it's not just dobbs either. >> it wasn't just about policy or anything like that apparently, according to alito, this was about trump and the court is now dealing with two cases that have to do with donald trump. and maybe it's enough for you to take alito's word for it, but a lot of americans are going to say, he's trying to put this on his wife and we have no idea if that is the case. >> absolutely in perception is what we want to be clear here. we want to look at our supreme court justices who make these

important decisions that impact our laws and how, how they're interpreted and know they're going to be fair or at least believed that if you're supreme court justice and then you're saying in retaliation the first thing that happened was you put a flag upside down to support, standard sale. well, it happened in your home, then how can anyone in the nation look? is john believe you're going to be fair in anything that involves donald trump. that's what we want to avoid the person and that's what he allowed to happen when i grew up my mom loved karl marx and my dad loved ayn rand. could not be further different. it's not so abnormal and couples to not agree on every last no. but you guys aren't on a second the motor absorb ideas of what i mean, luck when it came access, it's 98. i actually i've been backwards i tend to agree with you when it came to hillary clinton her views were reflective of brooklyn's views. michelle

obama's views are reflective of barack obama's views. >> it's about public perception in part, and those are not those are politicians. >> those are not supreme court justice that's right. >> answer. same court judge versus as spouse. i don't to political views. >> but when they decide a case, they are supposed to decide what is the law of the land up. >> a supreme court justice because it can have private political views just like a heart surgeon can have private political views and still do a perfect heart operation on you that the role of the justice is to decide what the law is overlooked land. hilar, there a pillar in the legal communities or the top justices. >> land that you have to handle yourself that way. and yes, it may be that his wife put it up but if that happens in your household, we don't know that that's the case. or not. we're going to look at your opinions and believed that they are swayed because of your political beliefs. and as a supreme court justice of the united states, you should not

allow that but there's also the belief that the supreme court's justices have that they present to the public that they are objective, right? >> so clarence thomas has gone on record as saying, no, no, i am a political, i am not i am like i am an objective person his personal life is very different and in a moment where 40% of only 40% of americans have faith in the supreme court, 53% do not believe that the supreme court for too actually be an ethical institution. i do think that the court is very concerned about how it looks and how it is perceived. this does not help that argument even as we know that the justices are inherently political, they were picked for political reasons. and it's not just, it's not just write justices, it's not just left justice. it's all justices are picked as a political project yeah, but when out that although the about half the nation doesn't have confidence in the court, the court holds is much higher in public opinion than the congress or the white house. >> very low tuition. the

supreme court has held up far better than the other okay. >> i mean, coleman, i look the politics of the court right now are what they are, but the institution does need credibility and it does seem like we are strength further and further from a world in which they really try to stay away from partisan politics. i mean, even clarence thomas and i covered the trump administration. he would come to the white house to have lunch with mike pence almost annually it shouldn't there be just on principle, a principle that they just stay away from the politicians while they are sitting in those chairs? >> absolutely couldn't agree with you more about that. my disagreement is the assumption that he can control his spouse. i think it's a bit regressive, right. we all understand that nowadays that i can be independent journalist and would never let my spouse put a political sign outside. >> oh, that. you have a very

nice standard why higher than the supreme court justice you chose very well and you have a wise spouse. >> but what that does not mean that he could have controlled what she did. we can we can assume we're in a situation where try to take her first amendment rights it's right way. she was out at loaned out shine augustae symbolic way of talking to neighbors if he left it, if he had left it up, if it was up there today, that would be okay with that why wouldn't because for one day or a week or so, unify a long-term acquiescence whereas he came home and found the flag up, he left with just left it up had to work it out okay. >> it is what justices have traditionally done. standard day o'connor, right? was the state senator from arizona. her husband ran for governor and she said, i will recuse myself in anything that has to do with what my my husband believes because i don't want it to be a reflection in the courtroom

right. why can't alito do that a whole death standard, that a whole yeah. those traces on the left is fact, very recusals. >> they want to get rid of clarence thomas, who's judge excused because what his daughters these are these trump cases the unshared point that i neutrality regarding donald trump lieutenant governor i. >> mean. he makes an important point the standard on the, right according to trump. is the judge in new york should recuse because his daughter his daughter, who is a grown adult, who doesn't live in his house anymore, has a job, in partisan politics. is that fair? >> i don't know. >> daughter's the got your moment, but you know, i'm not sure but i gotcha meacham because i don't accusation i don't i'm just white, but then his daughter there is doesn't live in his home, doesn't much more remains is way more removed than it his

wife who lives in his house. i don't think you can assume a husband and wife agree, in fact, quite often i'm not assuming that they agree. i'm just asking about the propriety of leaving that symbol outside. it's improper by her because she she ought to know that she shouldn't do as the spouse of a supreme court justice, you should do the wise thing in all cases, but let's not pretend that every one of these supreme court justices, spouses has their own opinions that they privately talk about at home. we all know that of course they do so then we're just wise enough to never signal that to the public. >> we'll see you want to be a marriage counselor. you're good all right. >> this is a lesson and working our differences out. everyone. thank you. pretty much. and justin, tonight new developments involving cnn's debate with president biden and donald trump. that will be next month. we'll be back in a moment borrowing from the start was incredibly simple. >> the interest rates were incredibly attractive going through the process, took just a couple of minutes the approval process was basically

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the first presidential debate, donald trump versus president joe biden, hosted by cnn, will be made of failable. now, to simulcast to all other networks, joining me now is former abc news anchor and the first woman to moderate a presidential debate. carroll simpson, karatay, great to see you. i wonder what you make of that decision by cnn, the network that we are on right now to make this debate available to all of the networks and not just right here on this network well, you shouldn't talk it all to yourself. it's the right thing to do to share with the networks. i mean, it's so important. people looking at other channels certainly need to have the opportunity to watch this do you think that not having an audience is the correct choice yes, i do after watching the debate, first of all, i have to lecture note that every four years i get

dusted out, i get out of the cupboard and dusted off to talk about debates. so i haven't ban on live tv for four years since 2020. one's but anyhow, i make a point of watching all the debates, even the primary debates. i'm a debate girl. so yes, if you look at some of the debates and saw what happened with the report public chins, shouting more for the republican candidate and others booing. you can't control the audience. you can tell them to be quiet and no demonstrations, but they don't adhere to that so yes, it should be quiet. nobody's there nobody making favor to one candidate or the the other and since you both are a pro and a vat at this and you study these debates. what do you i'm around when these two meet once again on the debate stage well i. have to

let you know, abby, that i'm not sure there's going to be a debate in june this thing happens so quickly remember, a biden makes the challenge, wants to debate trump comes back fairly quickly with yes, i'll accept. here are two networks that say will broadcast it. and then they name the anchors. this was all in hours i've never seen anything happened with governmental politicians or government officials happen this quickly. so i think something's fishy about it. all. when trump said yes, i'll debate i'm not sure he's going to show up. he didn't show up for any of the republican primary debates and what what he's a head, what does he have to gain by doing? it? >> good question. it's a lot to gain yeah, it's a good question. they both seem really

eager to put some points on the board and especially trump seems eager to have not just those two debates, they are the ones who are clamoring allegedly for even more. and allegedly allegedly, i think you have reason carol to be skeptical, skeptic goal of anything, frankly, in this election cycle. but we will see what happens in june. either way. i'll be here and we'll have you back, i think to talk about it, i also want to say that i think the trial the trial in new york, the hush money trial, may have a lot to do with whether he comes or not. >> yeah. if trump is found guilty, i can't imagine that he'd want to do a mate and have questions asked about what happened at the trial and if he learned well, he always liked to trump it, things so he might want to trump at it. but he does that all the time anywhere

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