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forget you that's it for us. the news continues. the source will kaitlan collins starts now statement the source tonight, you almost need a four letter word to describe what happened inside trump's trial this afternoon. >> i was there when the entire press corps was clear from the courtroom. >> after the defense's witness may judge mark sean urea plus all the president's friends who were also indicted. >> that courtroom today, the trump entourage included a former biker gang leader who spent years in prison, and a string of others who are also facing charges of their own and talk about a birthday surprise rudy giuliani served a birthday cake for his 80th. >> then was served himself with an indictment after abating arizona's attorney general for weeks will go straight to the source of her in moments i'm kaitlin collins and this is the source the wheels came off, the

bus. that is really the old only way to sum up what happened when six weeks into donald trump's hush money trial, the prosecution rested its case today because moments after michael cohen stepped off the stand following 17 hours of testimony, including testimony where the defense got him to concede that he stole tens of thousands of dollars from donald trump it was after that that the craziest mokhber moment happened inside that courtroom today. it was the witness who came after michael cohen that triggered an eruption inside the courtroom, not michael cohen himself. >> i was in the room about five rows back watching it all unfold. >> and let me tell you, it was the kind of moment that made you wish there were cameras and fort you see trump's team had been torn on whether to call robert costello to the stand. we reported that here this morning, they still had not made a final decision when courts started. >> but in the end, it did end

up calling him this afternoon. >> robert costello, of course, is the one who advised michael cohen, but never formally represented him. not long after castello took that stand. however, judge one more sean had to scold him. he sent the jury out of the room to address i'll costello was answering questions even after the judge had sustained rulings, meaning he wasn't supposed to answer because cellos muttering audibly about those rulings from the judge. and it points even rolling his eyes, not once and this entire trial, have i seen judge merchan this furious the judge pointedly telling costello and i'm quoting from the transcript now, after the jury left the room i want to discuss proper decorum in the courtroom. if you don't like my ruling, you don't say, jeez. okay? >> then you'll say strike it because i'm the only one that can strike testimony in this courtroom. and then if you don't like my ruling, you don't give me sinai. you don't roll your eyes. >> do you understand that?

>> then, judge merchan raised his voice and ask the witness are you staring me down right now seconds after that, merchan cleared the courtroom. >> the press in that room pushed back on having to leave. they wanted to be able to witness that moment as it was happening. but court officials were yelling to leave the room. it was chaotic in every sense of the word with everyone really just looking around at each other. not believe knowing what to do remember, of course, the jury salt none of this having already been sent out of the room themselves. and the press two followed and was sent out, though i saw that trump's entourage, at least most of them, did stay behind in the room. moments later, we were back in testimony, resumed with the jury having no idea what just went down donald trump, however, was there the whole time. and had this to say afterward so what you saw so

what happened to a highly respected lawyer today? >> hello i've never seen it like that not only did trump, they're just called a judge, a tyrant, which is some of his strongest language that we have seen about more shawn today. >> he's also talking about a witness under the terms of trump's gag order, as we have gone over many times during these six weeks trump is not supposed to talk about any of the witnesses, even the ones he likes, even the ones that he pushed his defense team to call to the witness stand today. >> it's a remarkable de legal sources tonight. here are cnn's senior legal analyst and former assistant us attorney elie honig, also, jury consultant ronaldo's to biel, retired new york states supreme court justice judge joe kahn visor, and cnn legal analyst norm eyes. and who is also clear that up courtroom with me today. and norm, i mean, i looked over i saw you on the other side of the room. we were sitting there. no one knew what to do. the court officials were

just following the judge's orders telling people to get out of the room, an attorney for the media was saying we want to stay was addressing the judge directly. i mean, it was pure chaos and you know what i was thinking, will we know what was said when we were not in there and we just got the transcript and the judge here and i'm quoting from his transcript, was talking about how the difficulty the court officers had in getting everyone to leave the room because it's mostly media in the back of that room and it was just chaotic the judge said this will be in the transcript. i'm not going to seal it. and he said the fact that i declare the courtroom and that the court officers, including the captain, had great difficulty during the courtroom, and that there was argument back and forth between the press and including the council for that press goes to why i had to clear the courtroom in the first place and he speaking to robert costello now and he says sir, your conduct is contemptuous right now. i'm putting you on notice that your conduct is contentious, and if you try to stare me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand and he addressed trump's attorney and said, i'm going to strike his entire

testimony if that happens. do you understand me? >> bove emil bove said yes, judge, i understand. >> and then castello ask the judge, can i say something, please? and the judge goes, no, no. this is not a conversation it was an extraordinary moment. there have been a couple of times in my close to 40 years of going to court when courts have been cleared like that, never with that chaos, never in such a high profile case. and i've seldom seen a witness act out as visibly as wrong costello, he set this off by audibly saying in response to one of the judge's rulings because he was rambling all over the place? objection. sustained. and then he said, jeez, and the jury could hear that. >> they're sitting right there. i was your back and i could hear the jury was kaitlan in an eye. we're looking at each other across the aisle. did jurors were looking at each other, which they seldom do. they were rolling their eyes, they were pursuing their lips, they were shaking their heads

whatever value castello had to the defense. and as you reported, there was a hot debate about it within the defense, whatever value we had was eliminated. and the irony elie and i have often talked about this will michael cohen keep his cool? he's such a passionate person. he's such a hot reactor michael cohen kept his cool for an entire week. bob costello, a longtime respect that attorney blew up the entire cell is on michael gold is on the safer 17 hours and maybe find his testimony damaging, but he was pretty calm, cool, collected bob costello is on there for 30 minutes and the judge has to clear the courtroom. >> judge, have you ever have you ever had a clear courtroom? i mean, how remarkable is that that that happened? >> it is remarkable. i have cleared a courtroom, but under very different circumstances, gang members in the audience throwing gang signs and threatening signs at a witness i cleared the courtroom and there was some arrests as a

result, but it is very rare. and this was the situation where he needed to do it. he had a witness who is acting contemptuously. he had a witness who was clearly not following the rules decorum was the word that he used. what that was completely being obliterated. i think he did the right thing. i liked the way he didn't let you didn't give them an inch and he's on notice. that's the rule in new york. the law in new york is you need to give a witness notice. a person, defendant, a witness, anyone, a lawyer notice before being able to be to actually hold them in contempt. he's worn. >> it's out there. he does instead this judge strikes the testimony and holds this guy in contempt. >> this was an eminently predictable debacle. i mean, every time we've raised the possibility over the last week or so we started getting reporting from kaitlan and others. they're torn about whether to call castello. i mean, my reaction, i think most of our reactions why why would you do that? why would you take this risk now? i didn't know he was going to implode this way. i don't know the guy personally, but what an

embarrassment i will say two things. having read the transcript. one, the judge did the defense a bit of a favor because as you noted, kaitlan he get got the jury out of there real quick. and the bigger drama happened after the jury was gone, and then the jury was not there, as you said, when the courtroom was cleared, when it reached this crescendo. the other thing is i went back and read through this. what did the defense even get from that guy? it was all stuff that was already there. he basically said, well, cohen told me that he didn't really have anything to use against trump and that's about it. i mean, it was a big nothing that they already had anyway, and there's not really much happening on the cross and this guy either, they're just letting fact like a maniac and it's hurting the defense. >> i mean, it was it was crazy because he was he was there to undermine michael cohen's credibility and trump wanted him to come after seeing him testify on the hill, but that is the most remarkable part is the jury missed all of this. that's what i was thinking when we got back in the room and they started questioning him again, i was like these 12 people have no clue what just happened i know i went to that. >> they have no clue. i mean,

you have to know that he was acting up so in the moment they know you're exactly right. they know they were asked to leave. no, they were brought back and presumably his attitude change. so the jury knows that something bad happened in their absence and they're not willing to bet the jury knows exactly what happened and i say that because you heard these murmuring, the gs or whatever he was dang objection. sustained. under his breath. so if you heard it they heard it and i am telling you this jury, like most juries, is probably on love with the judge and you take on the judge, they are not going to like it. this witness did not do a service to the defendant and there was one moment and norm, i don't know if you saw this, but i kind of had a direct view of the jury today and the prosecutor, susan hoffinger, was crossing him and she asked me a question and robert costello asked her to speak into the microphone with this kind of condescending tone and she just went on, but i saw two jurors who normally have no reaction, exchange. this knowing look as this was going

on, it was a moment of mounting obnoxious snus and it just got worse and worse and the geez, i agree. the jury could see even though the judge was controlling himself, the jury could see that the rudeness was getting stronger and stronger so they are fond of the judge and the judge signaled his anger at the steadily increasing you can't it just was a loss of control by costello. it was not a strategy. they were not trying to have that chaos in the courtroom that the du of has experienced an r lawyer who's there who arranges the exit as he stood up in the middle of the room objection, your honor. objection. he was carrying on the reporters were arguing with the court officers. they were shouting at us get out clear the room. it really was a moment of pandemonium. i think that the judge should not have cleared the room. he should

have left the reporters and warrant castello. he actually i think he did get heated. he was a little emotional. his judgment was not the sharpest. he was doing it as a favorite or castello because he didn't want the story to be casella threatened with contempt, but it comes out in the transcript in a couple of hours. anyhow, he should've left the press in the room. certainly the jury had to be. >> how does the jury see when when castells up there and he's contradicting himself because i was listening for him and it was you hear this chance to maybe represent michael cohen. they talked about it, but he seemed bit contradicting himself because at one minute they would show an email that he sent his son bragging that he was going to be representing by gluco and that he was going to be the personal attorney to the former president. he was representing, but don't tell anyone yet. it's not out. and his son was responding congrats, dad, i hope this leads to big things and two seconds to questions later, he was saying, i never saw it to be michael cohen's attorney. >> right? it was confused testimony. look, i guess the

goal from the fence was that michael cohen told a different story, but there's a difference between perception and reality. the perception that the defense wants is that michael cohen can't be believed but the reality is when a criminal defendant or potential criminal defendant first meets with the criminal defense attorney, they're not always completely candid. that's a relationship of trust that has to be built up. so it's not really any great surprise that michael cohen might not have told bob costello the full truth in their first few meetings. that's actually quite common. but booksellers, a horrific witness. it was a big mistake to call him if you're the defense, you have two choices. option a is let the last taste in the jury's mouth be michael cohen, who was horrible also as we'll talk about, i think in the next segment, option b, let them go out thinking about bob costello between now and next tuesday when they come back, i think it's a huge which mistake on the substance again, there's not much here. are there to what costello said he's allows the witness is contrary to get contradicting themselves. it's kind of a wash, but judge

copies or makes a great point, which is jury's bond with judges especially good ones, judge merchan's a good judge in a way like the judge becomes their mother and their father and their caretaker and their legal instructor and if you are going to tick off the judge, it's obvious to the jury as well, it's going to backfire i had to bring you back in the next segment, but did trump violate the gag order by name-dropping? >> robert costello outside the courtroom. >> he may have the spirit of the gag order. he may have done that. of course, the judge is going to wait until the people take action. if they do which at this the point they may not want to. it is not going to do it's so a spontaneous after what happened today. >> okay. somehow we haven't even gotten to michael cohen's testimony today, which was also really notable. so we'll do all that after a quick break here because michael collins admission on the stand today that he did steal from trump is a big question. how did the jury see that also tonight, it is game over for rudy giuliani, who is being playing. catch me if you can with arizona's top law enforcement official. he was finally served at his own

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something like, well, i didn't pay the full amount back because i didn't think trump deserved it. today, todd blanche made clear you stole and here's why this matters. an enormous amount. this isn't just michael cohen stealing from the trump org. this is michael cohen stealing in the course of the $420,000 payment that is the heart of the crime and the prosecution's case is and they've said variations of this front over donald trump knew exactly what that $420,000 there's four he knew that it was for stormy daniels. he knew where every penny he knew every paper clip. no, we didn't because he was getting robbed on that $420,000. here's the other thing that is indefensible for the prosecution. their theory now is donald trump committed either a misdemeanor or a class e felony, the lowest felony goes from a to e and while he was committing either that misdemeanor, a class e felony, he was the victim of a class c felony, larceny committed by our star witness. the prosecution's star witness, who we gave a free pass to whatever the outcome of this case is, it's still may well

result in conviction. that's an outrage that is not just norm. >> you are there. well, how did you see that moment? >> i thought michael cohen did the one thing that he had to do. he was honest with the jury about what happened. he was not defensive susan hoffinger had planted the seed. she was careful to bring it out again, as we had discussed when you previously testified, i have a different views sitting in the courtroom that michael cohen, of course, has a checkered past. >> but we see convictions all the time with cooperators who have far worse histories, contract killers, mobsters, those who've peddled drugs to our kids. >> and yet, you get convictions the one thing that a witness has to do is tell the truth. michael cohen did his best including today, i thought it was good enough, nor did donald

trump know what that $420,000 payment was four the essence of that $420,000 payment is that double essence is the doubling of the stormy daniels money. well, and donald trump, it's been shown over and over and over again and corroborated. trump knew exactly what it was. he knew exactly what it was michael cohen's credibility 30 because the other moment was about that phone call that happened were last week that the defense pulled out that also there was a prank caller was 14 years old that was harassing michael cohen and there was the moment today where the defense or the prosecution pulled up this picture because he said that that night of that called that they are disputing that he spoke to keith schiller who put them on but one trump and the prosecution pulled up an image today of trump at a rally four minutes before that phone call, you can see it here. there's keith schiller and the red time, the white shirt with trump as he walks off stage, four minutes for that call. >> so you really have to wonder if they had ended with cohen last thursday. would the prosecutors have had that at

their finger know because they found it this weekend, they say right exactly. right. so now you gave them that three-day weekend, which i was saying i wouldn't have done that. i mean, i don't think it's fatal either way, but it was obviously an opportunity for the prosecution to come back with this evidence that they wouldn't have had otherwise, judge, i think that's right. i also i didn't think the 14 year-old conversation was quite as bad. added some of some of the rest of the pundits did. i knew that it hurt the people's case, but it didn't mean that he didn't also speak to trump at that time. when the people come back and on redirect, the sayyed, hey, here's a picture to show how plausible michael collins conversation and argument is. i think that was pretty devastating. if i think it's sleight of hand the counter narrative has never he didn't speak to trump. >> he only spoke to shelley cota, spoke to both them. he could have had above. right? i think it's a fake perry mason moment with this photo. i don't think it proves or disproves much anything. does it does it concern you, judge, that michael cohen made no mention whatsoever of the october 24 call during his

grand jury testimony. that's a big problem, isn't it? >> not at all really build versus bornholm? he wasn't asked about. it, doesn't have to say it that it's omitted. >> why would you omitted it's your mega one tick calls i don't trump. >> we got went on in that company. >> i whether we have very lonely for one juror to anger jury we may. but i don't think there is a single person on that jury are in that courtroom who doesn't believe that donald trump authorized at all. we're out of time, but but one thing that did stand out today this jury typically gives away nothing. >> you saw a lot of expressions reactions, moments from the jury today. >> we'll be watching it all closely when robert costello is back on the stand tomorrow, hopefully we'll have this group back here with us to talk about that. meanwhile, speaking of another former trump attorney, apparently a happy birthday to rudy giuliani because not only they get a

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that, go to ship station slash, try and get too much it's free. or how solomon in new york and this is cnn rudy giuliani, du in-court tomorrow after evading arizona officials for weeks, he was finally served over the weekend, his 80th birthday bash, and palm beach, florida it happened. >> we are told as the party was winding down, you can see here a live stream as they were singing happy birthday to mr. giuliani, a party goh claimed to cnn that two agents from the arizona attorney general's office, quote, stormed giuliani as he was on his way out so that party adding to cnn quote many of the guests were visibly upset. >> i should know daleny for their part, giuliani's spokesman confirmed that he was

served, but maintained that he was unfazed by the ordeal and it happened is as leaving that party, giuliani is expected to be a rain tomorrow and phoenix on charges related to alleged for its to overturn the 2020 election results in that state. >> and given that, i like to get straight to the source tonight with my next guess, the arizona attorney general, kris mayes and attorney general is great to have you here because giuliani obviously was one of the last of the 18 defendants to be served. you're the last one i should note. can you just walk us through exactly how it happened on friday night? >> sure. katelyn. >> yeah, he actually was absolutely the the last of the 18 defendants here in arizona to be served. >> all 17 others had accepted service quietly professionally the way this usually happens, we had the attempted on multiple occasions in multiple ways to serve mr. giuliani are agents had traveled to new york city to try to serve him. we

were not allowed in his building there where he lives. we stayed there for two days. we mailed him a letter. we we made phone calls and ultimately we add the send agents down to florida where he went. most recently to serve him. it just happened to be friday night and it just happened to be apparently on his 80th birthday or 80th birthday party, how many times exactly hadn't you tried to serve giuliani before this? he said three weeks and de was indicted yeah it's been over. like i said, over a series of weeks. i think rudy giuliani knows how this works and obviously, as you know, he does a lot of podcasting. it's pretty easy to locate and to find, but he was not accepting service and that dodging or is that how you had to find if

basically you were to look at his his live streams and his podcasts to figure out where he was that's correct. i mean, we we found out essentially through his through his live streams. he's not that hard to find. and so we did that and our agents professionally served him after his birthday party as the party was winding down in as he himself was leaving the house that he was in, we gave him a copy of the papers and he went along his way. >> did he did the agents say anything about how he responded in the moment as he was being served? >> he really accept you know, he took the papers and proceeded to his car. i think you might have been a little bit surprised, but look, this is a serious case. we expect him to take it seriously. we expect them to be in court

tomorrow. i mean, we are doing the initial appearances for 11 other defendants here in phoenix tomorrow. we expect him to be the 12th. he can he can ask to appear virtually. we have not. we don't know whether he's going to do that or not, but we expect him to be the 12th defendant to appear in court in phoenix and to take this case seriously and professionally and be in court where he's been asked by the justice system. so you expect him to show up tomorrow. >> we'll see what happens if he doesn't, but can i just because the way he's for trying this, he on social media, he claimed that he had just found out that your office was looking for him 24 hours before that party on friday night, even those indicted there we see you. and he said i told them where i would be an excepted service, like a gentleman. is it true did he tell agents where he would be or was that you just knew because it was widely publicized that he was having a birthday party in palm beach

yeah, i can tell you he did not tell us where he was going to be accepted he told the world where it was through his live cast. >> so now he did not tell us where he was going to be and it's really hard to believe that he didn't know that he that we were looking for him given the number of times and the different ways that we had tried so remarkable. and we will see what happens in court tomorrow. arizona attorney general kris mayes. thank you for your time tonight. >> you bet. thanks. katelyn our other source on this literally wrote the book on rudy giuliani, andrew kurtzman has been covering the former mayor for three decades now and is the author of giuliani, the rise and tragic fall of america's mayor. >> and that was before he was served in his 80th birthday party. i mean, when you wrote that book, did you ever think that it would come to this? >> no. i was reading about an event i covered in late i think 1997, 98, where i attended a birthday party for giuliani was his 54th birthday.

>> there were thousand people. they are in the sheridan a ballroom there two dozen cameras, they are here the toe of the town. he raged the million dollars in decades later, he's celebrating his 80th birthday in someone's house with a bunch of dead enders. and it all ends with the feds coming in and serving him and indictment. it's quite a it's quite a fall. >> but in a giuliani is effectively or objectively ruined man he's bankrupt, he's facing potential jail. >> he's he's effectively disbarred all he has left is his finger and having covered him for this long, i can tell you that that is the most important thing to giuliani so i think just like every other kind of stunt that he's been involved with, he does it for the attention he does it for the relevance. the most important thing to him has always been his fame that people care about what he's

doing. >> i mean, he was basically taunting the ag's office. i mean, he posted a picture that was since deleted zed if the arizona authorities can't find me by tomorrow morning, they must dismiss the indictment, which is not true, and they must concede that they can't count the votes, right? >> i mean, he's making his indicted for trying to overturn the election in arizona. well, again, it's it's the attention that he craves and if he can make a show out of it by taunting these people, why not? i mean, he's used to such larger stages now what he's reduced to basically as a streaming channel on youtube, his, his, his only hope is to do more outlandish things, say more outlandish things in hope of people listening to him and the problem is that the media venues he has keeps shrinking i mean, except for when he's served here, we'll see if he shows up in court tomorrow into kurtzman. great to have you on this remarkable moment up next, the international criminal court is now seeking arrest warrants for not just israel's

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is a notable comment from president biden. >> their flatly rejected accusations that there's a genocide underway in gaza. i should note those accusations which have been made in the international court of justice are separate from today's actions and the internet, international criminal court, which seeks to hold individual hamas and israeli leaders both accountable. the icc chief prosecutor karim khan, convened a group of legal experts that also included the human rights attorney amal clooney to advise on these warrants. he defended this in an exclusive interview with cnn's christiane amanpour nobody is above the law. >> no people by jim to birth or passport, religion, nationality, or the kind of their skin have a get out of jail free card, have a free pass to say, well, the law doesn't apply to us. >> every human life, every baby that his killed, whether it's a baby that's cruelly abducted by hamas and killed or a baby

that's been bombed or killed or has died in incubators because of no electricity or water or food in gaza. for them, for their families and humanity humanity, it's a tragedy. and this is why we have a chord. it's about the equal application of the law here tonight did discuss john bolton, the former national security adviser under president donald trump, also the former us ambassador to the united nations, ambassador bolton first, let me get your reaction to what we heard from president biden. >> he had a pretty blunt rebuke of what we just heard there from the chief prosecutor at the icc de this idea that they are going to seek these warrants for both the leaders of hamas, but also the israeli prime minister and the defense minister well biden is half, right. what's really illegitimate here is the international criminal court itself. it's a fantasy, it's a piece of government not a whole government, a piece of

government floating around in the international ether unchecked by executive or legislative power, utterly unable to enforce its judgments and acting in a way that's predictably irresponsible for many years, people have referred to israel as the canary in the coal mine on behalf of the united states. this is another example because what this rogue prosecutor is utterly unaccountable court is doing here against israel they're gonna do against us soon enough. >> well, so what do you mean that the president biden is half, right? he was basically agreeing with you that both of you agree this is it's wrong to say that you're going to go after the leaders of hamas and also the israeli leaders and kind of create this equivalence between the two of them. >> now, i'm saying it's wrong to go after this court is not the body to prosecute anybody. the court has also indicted vladimir putin in connection with russia's invasion of ukraine. that's the wrong way to do it too. you can't charge

of moral equivalents, gives legitimate let's see to the court and effect if they indict really bad guys, they're in favor of it. and the fact is it's the court itself that's fundamentally flawed the example is right here in this case, this unaccountable prosecutor is interfering, right in the middle of active conflict now, in a real government with real passion our in our case, the president and has both the war power and the prosecution power, and sometimes has to make a trade-off. this utterly unaccountable prosecutor didn't make any tradeoff at all. and i think people should ask, does this down make settling the conflict in the middle east easier or harder? it won't matter to the process the security, because he'll never be held responsible for it. >> yeah. and obviously, you mentioned putting there and he's not really traveling a lot maybe to china or something. but, but what does this move mean if they do get the judges to sign off on these warrants and we don't know that they will. but but if they do

and they're executed, what does that mean for israel's allies? who are parties to this court and they're technically supposed to arrest them if they travel and they have an icc warrant well, it should be a wake-up call to them that they've stepped into a very dangerous territory here and i think this is the sort of thing that us officials need to worry about. in particular, the ones lining in this cloud when you look at the self-righteous grandstanding publicity seeking prosecutor, there, i think this is the icc digging its grave in this country. i think i would be happy to predict right here. i don't think the us is going to join the icc within within the lifespan of anybody watching this program because the targets of this prosecutor are fundamentally irrational to proceed against a free law

abiding democratic society in the way that it did shows it's not tethered to a rule of law itself. >> but ambassador, when you look at this, there is growing criticism of how israel has conducted this war. i mean, do you believe that israel has a fell international law since october 7, i haven't heard legitimate charges that it hasn't, and i think there's been a lot of hype propaganda. one very important point just to prove that there's a lot of nations, the united palestinian. well, okay, let's, let's talk, let's talk about that. the united nations just cut in half the number of women and children. it reports killed in the gaza conflict. now, this is the united nations accepting now the figures of the hamas ministry of health, as opposed to the hamas information office. but the fact is the total number of casualties and the number particularly women

and children killed has been out of whack, the un by its shift, concedes that numbers that have been used on women and children have been double what what, what even another part of hamas says. i think this is a media problem too, if i may say so, these numbers to have come from hamas entities, right from the start of this. and normally what media outlets do when they're given a fact like that, they think it's important enough to report that's fine. they then go on to say, we have not been able to verify this independently. well, ambassadors, any media outlet in the contract because his verified those numbers we have been deeply skeptical of the numbers because we they don't let free and independent journalist goh and see it in his tried that on multiple occasions. but while even if you are skeptical of that figure, as we've seen, even president biden expressed skepticism we do know that a lot of women and children and palestinian civilians have been killed have they been colluding

with hamas? >> do you have any information on that palestinian babies? can women collude with hamas? can women colloidal little children that we're seeing ambassador who were in hostile. it really talks are 16 inside this on this 17 year-old okay. four years old. all right let's take fine let's let's take that. the question in conflict in urban conflict, which the united states itself has faced as recently as iraq with faloo gia and mosab is israel targeting legitimate military targets? a and b has it taken into account the proportional collateral effects if it goes after those targets, there's no prohibition about civilian casualties. otherwise, you wouldn't have urban conflict and the studies that were done of american action in felicia and mosul and other places in iraq and afghan anna stan have shown ratios of civilian and

military casualties in the range of five to one in gaza by hamas is owned statistics. the ranges two-to-one. so i just think it's important to understand that when hamas cynically barbarically uses its own population as human shields. the morally culpable party here is hamas, and no one is defending hamas. it's a good conversation to have ambassador john bolton thank you for your time tonight glad to do up next, there was a question of who was in court with donald trump today. you may have noticed one of them was the hell's angels, founder who served time in prison. you can see him there during the courtroom, also birdie carrot, who was convicted and then later part by trump also. >> there's more, more in a moment we're trying to save the planet with nuggets because we need the planet and we also need nuggets impossible. we're

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donald trump on trial hit a new level. the man running to be the next president of the united states welcomed into court alongside him today, the former head of the new york hell's angels chapter, a man named chugs edo they are according to authorities, the higher echelon of the hell's angels and well-known to police this man, for example, chugs to is a new york hell's angel it looks a bit different 30 years later, but you saw him there. >> he was a founding member of the gangs new york chapter in the 1980s. and the video of zero and the members of the notorious motorcycle gang were arrested in chicago in 1994. as you can see here, the justice department actually linked that branch to the game no crime family. and he's 20 years in prison on drug charges. but he was one of more than a dozen who were in trump's entourage in court today. though he's far from the only one in that group who is facing charges or has faced charges pretty carrick was also inside the courtroom today and when he was in office, of course we all

remember how trump pardoned the former new york city police commissioner after he served three years in federal prison for tax fraud. also, trump's legal advisor, boris epstein, has been in those two rows behind the defense table, nearly every single day since trump has been in court and also since boris epstein himself was indicted in arizona for the fake electors for scheme with friends like these were bringing bringing someone who is not based charges my right. illicit farah griffin, forward trump. white house communications director, and cnn political commentator we've seen a lot and that courtroom. geoff clark, others, but, but to see the hell's angel, former founding member was really the k, it was really the icing on the cake. i'm not sure that there's any particular strategy here. i mean, we know trump likes to look tough and i think he wants an entourage, but let's be clear with a jury, especially of a trial all of this nature, having his wife there are his daughter, i think would be far more beneficial and enduring than the characters he's surrounded himself with. but what it just kept making me think of as this

trial is happening, hush money campaign finance violations for an alleged affair with a porn star. all the wiles so many associates of donald trump's from his time in the white house. and after have been indicted, his former chief of staff, mark meadows now twice indicted allen weisselberg's in rikers right now. john eastman, peter navarro was in jail right now. steve bannon is likely to be like we've never quite had something like this in american history were so many closely of the leader of the free world now have criminal records or soon will themselves like it's, it's remarkable what's, it like to think of it from that perspective of those around him who are now in legal trouble. while we're also watching people who were vying to be around him going to court. i mean, everyone who wants to be vice president or in the cabinet, or some kind of plumbed position. i mean, it's pretty clear what's happening here. well, in yes, people know that trump's going to remember number if they showed up like mike johnson, this prim proper guy who leads with his christian faith, showing up to support him was just such a bizarre juxtaposition. and i

imagine a lot of staffers of some of the potentials are saying, yes, you have to go because he will remember if you don't show up at some point, but it's also you may be sitting next to a former hell's angels gang member like you just don't know what you're going to get in this trial. and the grand scheme of things, i think it has virtually no impact on the public's perception of him. but it's it's, it gives this perception of the company you keep from a jury perspective to where he's donald trump's trying to look like he was the person who did things by the book and it was michael cohen freelancing and doing things he shouldn't have. i just can't imagine these are the people i would want to surround myself when you make a good point, it's very few family members. eric trump's really the only one we saw. lara trump as well, but that's pretty much it. yeah. and there's been a lot of questions from the press about that. and even so, it's still hasn't created the emphasis for other children to show up, or certainly for his wife to former first lady two. and i don't anticipate we'll see that in the final days. >> yeah. though we merrily apparently may see donald trump junior tamara was if he shows up. well, it's a farah griffin. thank you for coming in tonight. >> and one more note of what

you should expect. >> you're on the source this week we have a big interview coming up. is republican senator ted cruz is going to join me on wednesday a lot to discuss with him. you will not want to miss that here wednesday night but tonight before we go, i do want to take a moment to remember alice stewart. she is our colleague who was taken from us far too soon this weekend. >> alice, as we all know, and many of you at home spent a lot of time watching her here on cnn? she was a veteran political strategist who could disagree, agreeably with just about anybody, no matter who she was sitting across from, she always had a way to find something in common with them, even if they had nothing in common at all. as we've been remembering her and hearing so much from so many people that she meant a lot to alice is going to be remembered for her kindness and for her empathy and we're thinking of all of her friends and family as they deal with her loss. and as we here at cnn also process it may her memory be a blessing thank