coates live starts right now well, lives, theft, and i roles the wild day 19 trump trial. >> the transcript johnson tonight really exactly what was said inside the courtroom. >> plus diddy's diddly squat apology. the word salad uh, but did nothing except race a very, very serious questions and openai, just pick the wrong voice to mess with wife scarlet johanson it's putting the company on blast tonight. uh, laura coates live all right so just hours from now, we could get the answers to the one while one of the main questions we've all had and donald trump's criminal trial. well, he actually take the stand and testify in his own defense. >> now, trump, he has previously dingell the

possibility, but now we're getting to the point where it's put up or shut up now his. attorneys say that they don't call it. i'm going to call any more witnesses. and so based on that, it seems like they're not going to call them. but in trump world, you really don't know until the very last second, do you? and they really don't have to tell us du that very last second. now, if he doesn't, it will put a lot more weight on michael cohen's testimony. and today cohen's credibility, it's quite another hit with the revelation that he had stolen money from the trump organization more on that in a new york minute. >> but there was another person on the hot seat today this time and i rolling sayyed, giving witness who annoyed the judge so much? the judge cleared the courtroom to dress him down. >> i'm talking about robert costello, a former adviser and michael cohen and took the stand for the defense today and describe an april 2018 meeting that he had with cohen about the stormy daniels payments. now, from the transcript and i'm quoting here question what did he say about that specific

topic? because l0 answers michael cohen said numerous times that president trump knew nothing about those payments that he did this on his own. and he repeated that numerous times. >> now that disputes as you're aware of cohen's assertion that he paid off stormy daniel's at the direction of drum and that trump was aware of the alleged scheme to disguise reimbursements to cohen now, the de has provided documents and checks and invoices to try to support their 34 count case. but the da had still relied quite heavily, even though is pre corroborated on cohen's testimony and it connect all of these different dots. now, throughout the entire trial, the jury is heard a lot of nasty things about michael cohen from various witnesses here is it just a sampling on your screen? and today they got one more bit of unflattering information to consider. because on the stand today, cohen himself admitted to stealing from the trump organization. goh and admitted that he when he said he need to

be reimbursed $50,000 from paying and it firm to help trump for polling and such. it turns out he only paid them 20 grand. and by the way, it was in a brown paper bag. i can make this up meaning he was telling $30,000 for himself. >> now, point-blank from the transcript question. >> you never gave the $30,000 that was owed the guy that owned red finch, did you answer? no. no, sir. >> question. so you stole from the trump organization, right? answer. >> yes, sir. >> well, i want to bring in a reporter who was in court today, law enforcement reporter for the washington post, devlin barrett. devlin i have been looking to you as my well, not the david pecker type, but my eyes and ears into the courtroom day in and day out in manhattan it was another dramatic de let me read for audience what happened after judge merchan cleared the courtroom. okay judge merchan told costello, i'm putting you

on notice that your conduct is contemptuous. if you try to stare me down one more time, i will remove you from the stand. i will strike his entire testimony. do you understand me? >> fans turning beauvais replied, yes, judge. >> i understand. >> then the judge said, listen to the question and answer the question because l then chimed in can you hear me, please? >> the judge? no. no. >> this is not a conversation. now, frankly, this could also have been in my house, so i can to my children but peeled back the curtain for us because this point tells us so much what was the atmosphere like? >> so as telling us those words are and they are very telling. i got to say in the room, you could see the anger boiling between those two guys a long time before it actually came to actual words between them and that's important. >> and the witness yes, the judge and the witness were mad at each other. >> they were driving each other bonkers before the jury left the room. it was not really

verbal, but the body language between them was terrible as costello kept talking over the judges sustained objections. and look, bob costello was a very long practicing lawyer. he knows exactly what objection. sustained means, and he can kept going. and that clearly infuriated the judge and the body language was terrible. and at that moment, the jury gets sent out of the room and you and i've talked about this before. i think jurors really, really focus in on the body language of the lawyers, particularly the judge and i think the jury saw everything they needed to see just in the facial expressions and the posture of those two men before the judge and the witness started really before the judge really started going after the witness. >> what was a terrible by language, what was going on were sean, i think it was just flabbergasted that this again, veteran lawyer who knows what objection sustained. >> means keeps talking over the objection and i think there were there was a moment where

work bob costello waved his hand, an in exasperate, like can you believe this? he didn't say those words, but, you know what that hand expression is. i feel like human beings actually understand each other's body language pretty well. and he just sort of waved his hand it gives me a break with this. and boy, the judge did not like that and the judge stiffened. and from that point on, it really was just a matter of time before the judge ordered ordered the jury out to talk to costello. >> what are the jury were they obviously reacting fast today? was a kind of having a tennis match head looking because up until now, i mean, we're john has been described as somebody who's been even killed. i've been in the courtroom, he has been is quite in-control. there was even a point in time a few weeks ago now and the trial where the defense counsel asked the judge not too if trump were to testify bring up any ruling that he had made about holding in contempt of court are fighting a violation because they respect you so much and they're going to have you say

it and tell him that you ordered this or rule this it'll be very prejudicial, so they've already respect to them what was the jury doing now? >> so in that moment, you got to remember that the judge and the witness sit very close to each other. i think that was part of the reason why there was so much tension because there wasn't any distance. >> they were all of two or three feet away from each other so the juror, the jury was just trained on the two of them and you could see the jurors sort of center of gravity, their center of focus sort of shift just to what was happening on a witness stand and like i said, it was very clear that what castello was doing was infuriating to the judge so much so that when he did, he starts to yell yelling at the at the witness, right. and then at some point he gets so mad that costello was angularly staring at him and to be clear, i was in the room he was definitely angrily staring at him, that he ordered the courtroom cleared, so that he could yell at the witness of more without all the reporters around, which to be honest, i haven't seen that before. plenty of people like to yell

at each other in front of reporters. in my experience, but i don't think that was clear to the audience. >> i think that people talk about the courtroom been cleared. >> they thought the jury was alone to leave. you mean the whole courtroom was cleared for this dress down, the hole? >> well, the whole courtroom except for trump's supporters who are in his rose, it was really just the press and the public that had to leave wow, and so as soon as the judge said that the court officers started yelling at all the reporters. fair enough. that's sort of how a court officers operate. but it was really a fairly loud, confusing situation because at that point, the reporters themselves start objecting and asking to be heard on the question of if you're going to yell this witness shouldn't the public know that shouldn't the public here that and so it was a fairly confusing few minutes wow, devlin thick around. >> this is adding a whole another element visit when i continue that conversation with senior correspondent for the wall street journal, molly ball, cnn legal analyst, elliot williams, criminal offense 30. bill brennan represented donald

trump's payroll corporation and tax fraud trial, and trump's council during a second impeachment. and former assistant us attorney kim wally. first of all, let me just for a moment, take a second to clear the courtroom to have someone in a witness be dressed down. have you ever seen anything like that, elliott and then of course depressed to say we want to stay not because you're just nosy want to know what's going on that for this, judge seems shocking. so how abnormal this is, it goes back to the constitution. >> kim's world, which is at the constitution guarantees open trials and virtually every proceeding it's not just that we liked to have people in the media visiting court. it's because it's a valid all you in the united states. and so the idea that, uh, judges kicking the press out for at least a temporary moment is quite significant. now, why did that happen? think of it this way, that there are bill and i were talking about this earlier today. there are circumstances where jurors don't like a prosecutor. some people didn't like me as odd as that that may

seem it's very, very, very likeable, likeable, likeable enough. >> some may not like the defense attorney. >> everybody respects the judge they they see the robe. they see the authority, they see the person sitting from up on high. and when that is questioned or challenged, it's a problem in the courtroom and it's an anomaly. and so the judge had to maintain some order. this is not something you see because it was a remarkable moment. >> what the, way pick them with a value of his testimony that when you think about that, the fact that he's there up into that point, everyone had been talking about michael cohen, right? they've been talking about the revelations, although the prosecution had tangentially referenced the idea that he had taken so many in the past than direct. >> it was a bombshell that it came out and for at least us observing it but then it entirely it's a castello. >> did he serve a purpose other than to have this headline now that hadn't to clear a courtroom laura, whatever benefit that they hope to get from mr. costello was far outweighed by the detriment of this interchange with judge

merchan and the proof of that is we're sitting here tonight not talking about a disbarred lawyer stealing $60,000 from his client were talking about 30 plus times to three from that bright fringe, and then times two for the tax purposes and then get to that eventual four. yes. which is as you say, a bombshell instead, we're talking about this nonsense because a witness decides to make an all about himself elliott's right jurors like judges, as a rule. and i spent a lot of time with judge moore. can he's exceptionally likable. the he steven spielberg's version of a judge and the jury's it's not going to play well, the jury and again, just from a strategy standpoint, they knocked it out of the park today with this $60,000 theft. the world of attorney misdeeds ceiling from a client is like first-degree murder. i mean, we're talking about some guy that made all

about himself, picked a battle. he couldn't win. >> the purpose of castello, it seems was to suggest that michael cohen was not to be believed that there was in fact, no dangling of pardons, i think was part of what his strategy is supposed to be in talking about and holy discredit him in that realm, where are not talking about that. the jury likely remember the moment they were cleared from a courtroom. but what purpose would he have started here? the prosecution. were you nervous about having costello testified? >> well, it sounds like as you indicated that they wanted him to first of all, dispute michael cohen's story about what trump did and did not know which it's almost a stand-in for donald trump himself, right? so that's the key issue here who did donald trump direct these payments? really the only direct testimony is michael cohen's testimony. i think the other piece is this this kind of insinuation that cohen had that donald trump was somehow messaging through costello and julian dani, listen if you keep quiet, i'll

take care of you and it sounds like the defense sought that was significant enough that they needed to rebut it, but i agree to disrespect the judge like this, particularly given that trump and his posse are out there trashing the judge every day after court. we've got multiple content citations for donald trump for disrespecting the judge. the judge has to understand they're much bigger implications around the country for this behavior, not just in one of the jury, which might be why to eliot's point, that he decided to balance the fairness of the trial and security of the trial in over the right of the practice, even though it even though it didn't have the conference with the attorneys, didn't happen in front of the jury. they saw they saw the complication right before that, and know full well, that the witness was getting scolded and they're going to judge that witness. and quite frankly, the defendant was all the above us, the equivalent give us a moment. would you write you get

let me let me talk to you for a second privately. they know what's going on in the round, but you know, what trump came out and talked about this. he said he alluded to in his after the courthouse conference, it suggests that the way he treated castello, he mentioned it, but there was a moment i'm wondering, you can explain for us to there is always been this tension clinically trump on the campaign trail, trump as the president, trump as his own best spokesperson, wants people to believe that he is in control full stop but this defense has to suggest that he was hustled by someone like michael cohen can he balance that in a way that he kinda looking good on the campaign trail while in the other thing we know about donald trump is that he demands that people defend him at all times, right? he's always got to be surrounded by these sort of yes, men who are singing his praises and all of the coterie of republican capella petitions who've come to court to stand beside him and say the things that he can't say. and so you do get the sense. i mean, this is the first and potentially only defense witness and they didn't have to call anyone.

but you get the sense that trump felt he needed to be defended. he needed someone up there saying what he couldn't say, even if it's going to end up being damaging, even if it wasn't a good idea legally, he is always demands that there is someone speaking in his defense and you get the sense he probably wants to do it probably we'll be talked out of it. it seemed not a legal expert, but it seems to be the unanimous opinion of the legal profession that you should not testify by any means, but you can feel how much he wants to do it and how much he yearns to have someone up there speaking for him in this case, even if that's not necessarily a good idea in court. and of course people who are behind him in the courtroom, he certainly trying to send a message that way i wonder what the jurors feel that's the big question that everyone is wondering still and we don't have the answer to how do they received the information? are they following along? are they leaning in on what we perceive as the biggest moments in the court? or are they thinking

about it, or are they thinking on other issues that's the moment this is what is so telling him so intriguing really about the justice system in america. >> thank you to all of you up next, diddy releasing i'm not going to call it an apology, but the word sorry, i was in there. >> sure. days after video showed him assaulting casi in a los angeles hotel not asking for forgiveness sorry my next guest says his words meaningless. >> plus and one of the most well-known ai companies try to imitate the voice of scar joe. >> even after her refusals. >> she says, yes. >> and now she's lawyered up you know, i spent a lot of time thinking about dirt at three in the morning. >> and you're what people don't know. >> is that not all dirt is the same? you need dirt with the right kind of nutrients.

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responsibility for my actions in that video. disgusting i was disgusted then when i did it, i'm disgusted now did he is disgusted? now? >> but that's not how he felt in december after cassie sued him for rape and abuse because that back then did he said he didn't do it back then? did he said that people like cassie were trying to quote, assassinate my character, destroy my reputation and my legacy did he said, then they were looking for a quick payday then remember the time when the video came out on friday. video, i'm about to show you again and must remind you, is very disturbing because it shows a woman cowering on a hotel floor in los angeles as diddy was kicking her and dragging her throwing objects toward her the la county da said it cannot prosecute diddy

for this incident because the statute of limitations on domestic violence cases is five years and recall this was 2016 the public fallout is snowballing. hollywood reporter says that streaming activity for diddy dropped by as much as 50% last week compared to december of 2023. new york city's mayor, eric adams, is considering revoking diddy's key to the city after watching the video remember merriam's a former police officer and did he faces at least five civil lawsuits and a federal criminal probe. all of which came after casey's lawsuit which wondering me now with salah misha till it she's a pulitzer prize winning professor at records university and also president of non-profit along walk home, which works to end violence against women and girls. so let me show thank you so much for being here. i had to tell you when i heard that

while i guess we're, calling it an apology video that's how he'd like people to think about it as an apology video. i'm assuming it began a whole lot about him his dark place. he said that he was in his feelings about being disgusted by that. i do know that they did not mention cassie and the apologize, apparently neither of them are allowed to speak about the other publicly because of the terms of their settlement. but did he approach this or apologize in a way that demonstrated remorse? >> well first of all thank you for having me on your show and also just for the work that you've done for so long on behalf of victims of domestic violence the apology you're welcome. >> so the apology one question comes to mind quickly as would he have given this apology if there were no video and the answer is clearly no because he had several months since the lawsuit was filed in december

to come forward with remorse, contrition, or some accountability. so we didn't see any of that. and i think pretty pretty consistently until this moment he's denied all of these allegations. now, we have this video, this very clear video of violence. and now we have an apology. and so i think that's why it rings hollow for so many people because there have been so many opportunities before this moment to make amends or to show some remorse or on ability. in fact, what he's been saying consistently is that these people are liars that she's in fact a liar. so that's, that's one thing. the other thing i want to say too is that as you pointed out, according to the settlement agreement, there it can't speak about each other but it does seem to me that if you're genuinely honest in your desire to make a man and to tone to be held accountable by some standard. you may want to go back and look at that and we

maybe have her release her from her inability to speak about you publicly. so it doesn't really seem like there's any actual attempt to make amends with the victim of the violence in this case cassie and there's no attempt to really show a systemic way of a tony. atony. oneself in public. it just seems like the video is the only form and forum in which we're seeing contrition. >> you make a great point. although you are free to contract and settlements as you see fit, there is a level of silence that now you have have to abide by and giving some protection to the person that you are accusing. >> you talk about accountability. >> i think it's important to mention this people may recall meghan the stallion, and she had this incredible op-ed that she wrote. and i think it's so poignant now to revisit because of the way she described how

she was treated when she made an allegation against somebody in the industry and how as a woman, she was received and there was this remember, the she alluded to this after the fellow rapper a tory lanes cricket of shooting her in the foot and she wrote, before the verdict, quote, even some of my peers in the music industry piled on with memes, jokes, and sneak dices and completely ignored the fact that i could have lost my life instead of condemning any form of violence against a woman. these individuals tried to justify my attackers actions similarly, when her allegations first came out, cassie, i'm talking about there were so many who doubted so many who were blaming her. and there appeared to be this culture of silence that she was supposed to have abided by why is that present? well, one of the things i find striking about this video, and people now suddenly believing that she may have been in fact telling the truth is that the lawsuit

was so detailed in its description and so detailed in the repetition of the behavior that it seemed to me that it'd be hard not to believer. >> but now that we have this video evidence, i guess there are more people who are seeing that this, in fact may have happened and that at least in this one moment, that she wasn't telling a lie for me when i watched this video and probably for you and many other people out there, i also see a woman who's trying to escape a violent situation. and so oftentimes domestic violence victims are blamed because people say, well, why didn't they leave, or why couldn't they get out and so what you see here repeatedly is someone trying to escape a really, really, really deadly, almost deadly are very violent situation might she's going to the elevator so she's on the telephone. there. she's literally on the ground trying to avoid blows. and so if anything, and i think this is a really humiliating video to be released, i think this is something that she would not have wanted to be in the public

sphere for us to see. and yet, i do think it proves how difficult it is and how when it individuals and institutions cover up or basically allow this behavior to happen. so there had to be someone who watched this video and didn't send it to the police. i mean, there's just so many layers to that video and the ways in which she remained trapped in that situation despite the fact that she was trying to so that's one thing i just want to say that we have evidence of her leaving and being pulled back literally into a situation that she could not fend herself, are defend herself from but then the other question is, why wasn't she believed when there's there was someone had physical evidence of this? i think it goes back to this idea that very few survivors, when they come forward, are believed most people, i think are identified with the people who are the perpetrators of the crime or the people who are the allegations are against very

few people identify with the victims. so that thing that happens in our head that we naturally identify with those who are in power versus though we see those we see as powerless, often happens with you've seen this in your work with victims of domestic violence or in other cases, sexual assault, then when you have the race aspect here, african american women, black women women of color are oftentimes under believed were not seen as the ideal or the perfect victim of sexual assault for a lot of reasons, but mostly historical reasons going back to who was seen as jasmine, who raped it does about the image back to slavery and that just stays with us and hasn't really gone away because we've had gains. it's still there. i think black women in general, women of color, often are not seen as victims of violence. and therefore, when they come forward with these allegations, there's a knee-jerk response of whether probably lying or

it's maybe more complicated than what we hear or we have video evidence. but now maybe we find i believe i'm sorry. it's in no, no. i i'm so glad we're speaking because it's so important, i really do hear you when you speak about these issues because maybe it's time for us that you used the word humiliating to me. it's humiliating to be a part of a society that would engage in behavior that assumes that one can have a presumption of innocence for one who is accused, but then give an extraordinary burden on somebody who is seeking help. it doesn't compute in somebody's minds let me shade till it. thank you so much thank you. and if you are someone that you know is a victim of domestic violence and needs help you can call the domestic violence hotline that number 80799, safe. that's 807. 997233 well, up next the international criminal court says that it's taking arrest warrants for the leader of hamas and israel's prime

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international criminal court is seeking arrest warrants for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and the leader of hamas. >> i say seek because a panel of icc judges will now consider the application for the warrants that's not sopping president biden from coming out forcefully against the icc saying there is no equivalency between israel and hamas let me be clear. >> we reject the icc's application. arrest warrants against his will whenever these warrants right imply there's no

equivalence between israel and hamas contract allegations against israel made by the international court of justice. what's happening is not genocide well, he made those remarks from the white house at a jewish american heritage month celebration. now will biden is trying to shore up jewish support. he's still facing a growing faction of his own party that wants to see him doing more to help the palestinian people. molly bat mall ball is back with us now along with dan ravi, they former cvs use foreign correspondent and the author of spies against armageddon karen funny, it seemed a little commentary is also joining us and joe walsh, a former republican congressman. first of all, karen, that's a pretty full-throated response action. how let play for him politically? >> well, it's going to please some people. and as we've seen, it is going to anger others for the folks who have been protesting. i don't they're not going to like that. they probably were happy with what they heard coming out of the icc today. >> but thought was interesting the way this played out. >> so the president was very strong you had secretary of

state antony blinken also with a very strong statement that really undermine the investigation. at the same time, the readout that we saw from the meeting that jake sullivan had in the region. he's still raised concerns about rafah and about a humanitarian assistance and what's happening to the palestinian people, which i think is important. again, it goes to a unit i've talked about before. >> what you have to do diplomatically is not necessarily what you have to do politically, although in this instance, the president i think is leading with what is the right thing to do. well, you're right, there is still divisions, therefore, between biden and netanyahu they've been friends as they like to say, or maybe frenemies for decades. and lately, of course, president biden has stepped up the criticism of netanyahu, and i think the administration here in washington has generally been saying that israel would be better off without netanyahu. the message has been clear to israelis, but this attempt to bring well under arrest to the international

court suddenly, the us and israel make common cause, even inside israel. and that's i know it was opposition has come out in favor of him there, so insulted by this icc so for today, at least it's good for netanyahu. >> it really seems to have been a gift to him. i mean, you have a lot of the democrats who have been increasingly critical of israel as this, as the war has gone on we're coming to its, reminded me a little bit of when the rocket attack on israel what happened and suddenly israeael has allies. i, it really was a reminder of which side the us is on. and i think it may backfire on the court more than anything. here there was a moment i want to play for everyone. >> he was speaking at morehouse is commencement over the weekend, the president of united states was. >> and you remember there were calls for him not to even deliver the speech at the college over the white house. >> his stance on israel. here's re said it's a humanitarian crisis. you've got that's why i've called for an immediate ceasefire an

immediate ceasefire to stop the fighting. bring the hostages home not been working on. i've deal as we speak working around the clock to leading international effort to get more for aid into gaza as karen made the point, joe, he's going to have to play kate a lot of different sides of an issue and try to be the panacea politically. >> is it working? can you do that? >> he's trying to play it both ways. this is a tough issue. because this divides his coalition. but he's got to do and say what he believes and what we heard from biden today. again, is what he believes. it is outrageous what the icc did. there is no moral equivalence. israel is not committing genocide forget what i believe that's what biden believes. he's got a divided coalition. i think laura would hurts him is when vote american voters see him vacillating back and forth on this issue. be strong, be what he believes and he

needs to get those voters in the middle. >> now, one thing us and israel, they're not members of the icc, by the way but they still are supporting the icc's investigation into the russian or and then their war crimes in ukraine. you talked about playing both sides kennedy, us have it both ways and in general, the us is against the icc. >> it is true russia, vladimir putin, they are bad guys. so the us didn't mind that there's even a warrant for putin and that's true. but in general, the us's against the icc what is that? well, frankly, because there's a fear among us officials that the us military, us commanders also could be named for alleged war crimes in a lot of the action that the us military takes, don't forget if we're talking about the middle east especially war is dirty. war is difficult and so all sorts of charges can come up, and it could be a problem for the us if the us allowed itself to be open to that it's exactly for the reason of things like this, right? where you have warrants issued that are questionable in the eyes of many, certainly in the eyes of allies of israel.

and that's precisely the reason that the us and israel haven't joined the icc because they don't trust it to be fair and impartial and give all nations the same treatment. >> what's next though? i mean, i mean, let's just it's the first time the icc is targeting a us ally by the way wouldn't a member country actually seek to enforce these arrest warrants if this actually goes through and what would be the reaction of the united states with hb well, i think it depends on how the rest of this unfolds. i mean, it's sort of interesting if you think about leading up to this, even internally it and israel, the war cabinet we were seeing reports was sent was pushing that to know to say, where's the plan. so i think part of it will depend on can they get the warrants and how does the rest of this unfold as two? webb i mean, the full system as to whether or not people would then try to enforce those aren't if the warrant is approved by the icc judges, you'll find that on yahoo and as defense minister not visiting key countries like britain and france that are

committed to carrying out warren's like this. but you're right within israel right now. it's, are you, are they going to completely invade rafah off or not? jake sullivan, the president national security adviser, had meetings with all the top israelis and he was listening in that readout also from the us side he was listening to the israelis and they're rafah plan. he wasn't negating it. >> but politically this was a gift to biden and he took advantage of it because i think this really strengthens him it's very curiously how this will all unfold and what will happen next. thank you so much, everyone. ahead. does this sound familiar are you about to reveal something about ai or more specifically about me as a openai it's called johansen says it really does sound familiar and she is calling out the ai company behind it. what is kara swisher think about it? she's here while she's there, she's here next gentlemen?

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johanson. and let's fast forward to today because the tech company openai announces chatgpt version four. oh, and as part of the launch, it debuted a voice assistant. so what does it sound like? well let's watch the demo. words when it comes to the announcement is about me well, color me intrigued are you about to reveal something about ai or more specifically about me as a parent of openai, you've caught me on the edge of my well, i don't really have a seat, but you get the idea? >> once the big news now that's openai as new sky voice, does it sound familiar? well, a lead immediately following the e demo that demo openai ceo sam altman send out a tweet. >> one word per. now, johanson is speaking out. >> she's saying that she turned down not one, but two offers from openai ceo sam altman to have her voice the

chatgpt system. >> she saying this in a statement when i heard the released demo, i was shocked angered, and in disbelief that mr. altman would pursue a voice that sounded so eerily similar to mine. it's called johansen lloyd up and tonight the sky voice is on pause openai saying the sky voice was not derived from johanson but instead belonged to a different professional actress using her own natural speaking voice. during we now see that contribute an author burn book, kara swisher alright, qarrah, first of all, is the sky voice yours that the big news right now, what's going on? >> yes, that's me. yes. i'm not even here right now. this karam has gone era i always suspected bad. but what do you think does she sound lights project or hansen to you a little bit. >> i mean, they were trying for that tone of voice. i mean, people in silicon valley, but long been intrigued by the movie for many, many years. i never liked it that much and also they didn't realize how it ended, which was not happy. but they for some reason thinks

this is the ideal thing to create, which an ai you can date as a geeky person, but you know, it, it does sound like cards. it's for tone of voice and they were going forward. obviously they pursued or so they wanted that voice and i do know many people in silicon valley are intrigued with the concept of that of interest of a flirty color me surprise. i don't have a seat sort of this idea of an ai. you can have a relationship with having watched the movie. >> it is intriguing that they didn't wait to watch all way the end, but openai's chat gtp, gpt, excuse me, is the name when it comes to artificial intelligence, this seems like a pretty big, i mean blunder to have launched it and then to have it be on pause. what does this say about the way the company maybe predicted or is operating? what would come next? >> well, welcome to startup land. >> this is not a, not a big company even though it's worth a lot it's competing against big companies including microsoft, which is an

investor, but amazon meta google, google alphabet, and so it's trying very hard to maintain a lead, so it doesn't become netscape, which is what happened in the first iteration of the inner internet where a very pioneering company got crushed essentially it's trying to do all kinds of things. >> it was also had a little history of the fight between the safety people and the move ahead with products people that sort of reared it said, last week when several safety people left the company and said, they're focusing on shiny new products. but not safety. so it's been a bit of turmoil at the startup, but this is super common to companies. this one's not great because you're going against scarlet johanson. and as you know from the disney fight, i wouldn't bet on scarlet johansson i'll probably five to seven days a week. >> you should bet on her capacity, but i mean, we're talking about it i mean, sometimes startups love to have some buzz and people are now talking about the sky voice. >> and is it her, is it not her? and you say it's not? well, this actually hurt or

help the company in the long run i don't think it's good. >> it comes to ghost credibility and things like that along with this other stuff that was happening there last week of some departures. >> i think the question is opening. i started with this idea of a public private partnership and it's very difficult to maintain because it really is a for profit the company and there's so much money to be made. and so you're going to see these kind of shortcuts happening the image of tech right now around ai is it's stealing and grabbing everything. so this is not good for the general, the general idea. and then a couple of weeks ago, apple had it's crushed video where they were crushing artwork and things like that it looked like they were crushing creators. creators, especially in hollywood, are very worried about what ai means in terms of taking their voices and they did it that's really interesting point about the way it's proceed. it's not necessarily proceeding as additive. and so many ways is often perceived as a threat. remember, the strikes have just one last summer, we know how that all happened. the daily show recently had some words for chatgpt is four o's new

voice assistant listed this you can really tell that a man built this text. she's like, i have all the information in the world, but i don't know anything h me daddy. >> i mean, is there appointment she's making here, i mean, this idea of is bro culture pardons luck and valley you know, it is obviously, but i think more importantly is they just take whatever they want. >> i have always called from google to facebook to all the others. there's sort of a patient's information thieves and so this is what that feels like. it's like they, they tried to get scarlet johanson. she said no and they're like, well, make someone who's like scarlet johanson it's sort of shows that lack of care and it's not a good luck for silicon valley. >> this idea that they can take and ghraieb anything they want. and this is why i always talk about with you, laura regulators getting in here and understand and who's running things. >> but right now, it's big companies and well-funded companies like openai and they

can do what they want. >> i gotta tell you, i nominate you to be the voice of whatever it would be. i would take it seriously a heartbeat. i mean, i want you to be my new ways voice, frankly, and just not to say put down that phone, laura, you're on it too much. >> what if it's coming across the car play, what are you talking about? cargo, call me out. i would never never kara swisher. thank you so much. >> thanks a lot you know, ahead i smile just thinking about her attribute to a dear friend. >> and one of cnn zone back in a moment simons are going off and playing the tornado here i'm thinking, i'm going to die and i thought that was it with liev schreiber premieres june 2 had nine on cnn you're calling some people find there's at an early age. others later in life no matter when you find it. instead of yourself, lucky because becomes

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