i felt like the rock star on that occasion. [ laughter ] >> bono's spot on impression of bill clinton in the clinton global initiative. tomorrow we get the real thing. my interview with the 42nd president of the united states. we'll talk about the looming government shutdown, president obama's rocky second term and the bitter partisan fighting in washington. plus those swirling rumors about another campaign for his wife, hillary clinton. and the next generation will be on the show, too. daughter chelsea joins me on thursday night. that's all for us tonight. "anderson cooper special report" starts right now. welcome to ac 360 later. possible government shut down, kenya terror attacks. blackberries blues. we begin with breaking news tonight. iranian president hasan rouhani speaking in the camera to americans in

supervision of the iaea. >> governor dean, do you believe this is more than a charm offensive? >> it's hard to tell. we should talk to them. but this is a guy who is involved in killing 30,000 people, 25 years ago. 30,000 political prisoners. iran and malaki in lock step last week or last month murdered 52 unarmed iranian dissidents. there are 3100 of them still in prison essentially in a prison camp. talking about the mek in iraq. these guys have had a pretty grisly past. i think you always talk. no reason not to. but i at this point i think christia christiane's question was the right question and i don't think he answered >> it he didn't in that one. and you're right it was hard because we talked about a lot of issues. i pushed him on 20% enrichment, on the suspect plan everybody is

worried about, on the iraq heavy water plant which is also really important. many people believe that is the actual real problem, that that could be used to extract plutonium, find another route to a potential weapon, and that's the thing apparently that worries the israelis, the west, the others. because that would be a point of no return. he said to me that that might be something they would be willing to put on the table because it's not started up yet. so i just think that's interesting. >> let's look for a second at why they're in doing this. their economy is in a shambles because of obama's sanctions. >> actually because of the sanction bill that was passed by senator menendez and kirk being a bipartisan effort against the white house wanting it. i think it's those sanctions that have been instrumental. >> obama has really put the screws on these guys more so than any other american president and it's working. this is not meant to give somebody credit or somebody not credit. the point i'm trying to make is for the first time since in 30 years we have iran back on its heels. >> but i'm really curious --

>> we've got to make the deal if they're going to make. >> it that is really interesting. honestly we've been through this now for 35 years, right? to me it seems particularly in light of the deal, let's say it works out, between the u.s., russia and syria to disarm chemical weapons. if that can happen, to a regime that the u.s. has said assad must go to a really heinous regime killing people left and right for the last 2 1/2 years. >> which iran supports. >> right. but if they can do that to syria, then surely they can reach a deal with iran which as you would probably agree is 1,000 times more important geostrategically, politically, regionally, more important to the united states. >> and yet you have to do this essentially at the same time. not maybe the syria thing is already beginning in its early steps but you're talking months and years if it goes forward of verification, inspections, finding the weapons, destroying the weapons. in syria. so then if you're having progress with iran at the same time, which is why i think

everybody stepped back today. a caution on both sides. thought there would be a handshake. i think the iranians were saying they weren't ready for it. the administration to that answer rouhani saying we've cooperated with the iaea. they would have a different story. they've been transparent in phases trying to get an easing. that's the question now. will they do something to get an easing of sanctions and then stop again and be intransigent. >> let me bring in former secretary of the defense paul wolfowitz. good to have you on. what do you think of what rouhani said to christiane today? >> his words aren't terribly reassuring. he basically in the clip you played said we're not going to suspend plutonium enrichment which is the core issue. let's remember instead of focusing so much on sweet words about iranians love americans or whatever they actually do, and by the way, this regime is not

entitled to speak for the iranian people. it murders them on a large scale and regularly. but they have also killed americans in iraq. they plotted to assassinate the saudi ambassador in washington, d.c., the man who was charged by -- not by the bush administration but by eric holder's justice department of attempting that crime was just sentenced to 25 years in prison. and secretary of state clinton said this was organized out of tehran and the two men who organized it are designated by the secretary of the treasury. we have a lot of issue ups with iran. and instead of rushing after smiles and nice words, we should be pursuing that whole agenda and not as we did with syria get trapped on a single piece of it. assad may or may not give up his chemical weapons but he's not giving up the tanks and helicopters and missiles that are slaughtering many, many more syrians than the chemical weapons. we need to keep a broad agenda. we need to be tough about it. and we need to hold these accountable for what they do not

just what they say. >> but secretary wolfowitz, what would you suggest then is the best way forward? you're right. they have already announced that they're not going to give up what they call their rights under the npg, that is the right tone richment. on the other hand, another has the coercive method actually worked. yes, it has hurt economically in the sanctions most definitely have hurt. but it hasn't caused them to stop this program. so what do you think is the cause post united states? the u.s. doesn't want to go to war again, does it? >> i don't think we do. but i think the course needs to be a long, broad, patient one. sanctions may or may not work, but sanctions are hurting the regime. they are isolating iran. i think they're in some political trouble at home. not deep political trouble but some political trouble. instead of taking off all that pressure and saying, oh, well, now you're ready to -- they aren't even ready to talk to us. we go chasing after handshake with rouhani and he says he's

not ready for it? >> i specifically asked him whether he's authorized to talk, whether the iranian government is authorized to talk on these issues and he said yes. i think that is actually quite important. >> apparently he's not authorized to shake hands with the president of the united states, which is fine with me. >> maybe not. >> so when the iranians say that it's too complicated to shake president obama's hand -- >> they just didn't have time. the iranians said rouhani said to you today he basically didn't have time. >> of course they could have done it if they wanted to do it. >> but the press all day today they had said it's too complicated is not an iranian quote? >> the americans said that. in iran there was a very right wing newspaper, hard linus paper who said you shouldn't do it. but certainly american officials were -- >> a really complicated internal political fight going on. and this is what gives me pause. the revolutionary guard is really what runs the economy in

iran. and they are really a tool of the ayatollah khomeini who's very conservative. it's hard to figure out what's going on. my own reading of this is about economic distress and that's all it's about. they're looking for a way to get up off the floor without giving much up. this same game has been going on for a long time. i don't mean 35 years, 3500 years in this part of the world. >> are you on the same side as paul wolfowitz? >> you share deep, profound skepticism tells you a lot. >> go ahead, mr. secretary. >> anderson, look, i'm not one for standing on formalities but there are times when little things send powerful signals. the united states -- remember, this man is not the pre of iran in the sense that president obama is the president of the united states. he's a functionary. he's more or less hand-picked by

khomeini who decided who was allowed to run and who wasn't. yes, he wasn't probably the preferred candidate of the regime but he was an acceptable candidate. he's a functionary. the united states should not have been seeking a meeting with him. i'm not even sure we'd have accepted one if he asked for it. but the message that it sends to our supposed friends in syria who are fighting against his own revolutionary guards who are there helping assad. >> i think we should talk. but i don't think we should give an inch. >> let me be clear. i didn't say we shouldn't talk. i think secretary kerry should talk. he should talk frankly with row

rouhani. >> secretary wolfowitz and howard dean, you really do have to come up with an alternative answer. if you're not going to go to war and not going to go after regime change which president obama declared the u.s. was not going after regime change, he said it today at the u.n., if you want to resolve this by diplomacy then there has to be negotiation. and another, has to be win-win. it can't be you bend over. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i ain't going to give the first step because they've taken everything they can. >> we've got to take a break. secretary wolfowitz i appreciate you being on. up next the panel talks about inching closer to the threatening government shutdown and a lingering fight over funding the government while defunding obamacare. we'll be right back. congestion, for the smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the buses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution into the air.

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. senator ted cruz now in the eighth hour of his marathon protest against obamacare on the senate floor. not a filibuster just a protest. he's adamant funding for the program be cut. he claims it isn't working. cruz supports the bill passed by the republican-controlled house which funds the government but cuts money for obamacare. i'll talk with the panel about that momentarily. cruz says he's going to stay at the podium until he can't stand up anymore. does look like he's running out of things to say specifically about obamacare. let's listen. >> i will credit my father, he invented -- this wasn't for the restaurant -- he invented green eggs and ham. sometime ago i tweeted a speech that ashton kutcher gave. now number one just as a consumer, i'm a big fan of eating white castle burgers.

i don't believe there's been a day on this senate floor that i haven't worn my argument boots. i took the coward's way out so went and purchased some black tennis shoes. so i am not in my argument boots. i want to take opportunity to read two bedtime stories to my girls. i do so like green eggs and ham. thank you, thank you, sam i am. >> feeling nostalgic for the times when senators would go up and do a filibuster reading phone books. >> "green eggs and ham" howard dean, christiane amanpour. >> senator cruz is trying to make a point they think now largely if you understand the senate rules this is not a filibuster. normally you filibuster to block action. under the rules there will be a vote tomorrow. if he stands there through noon tomorrow, god bless him, there will still be a vote tomorrow. he can't block that to decide what to do next about funding

the government. this is about him -- i could stop there. he's going to lose. members of his own party and in washington are increasingly furious with him. they view this as counterproductive. not that they don't oppose the president's health care plan. they think there are other ways to fight it including elections. >> he's standing on principle. >> he's alienating republicans in washington which is fine with him. because he thinks he's growing his support among a slice of republicans out in the country. and we'll find out in 2014 and if and when ted cruz runs in 2016 how big that slice is. >> ted cruz did not get elected and did not go there obviously to be either mr. congeniality or mr. dleej ycollegiality. he has increased his national brand tremendously through this and his fundraising lists. >> you're a republican but not a big supporter of him. >> i am with the folks like mitch mcconnell and john cornyn.

that other senator from texas where he's from who said this is not going to happen and we're not going to go along with this tactic. i kind of like to for congress to do things that are actually based in reality. drama, i like in theater. in my deliberative body in my legislative body i like to get some action that can actually be implemented. but that's just me. >> you and about 250 million people out there. >> no, not 250 million. >> but skepticism about the health care program is growing. opposition to the health care program is significant. as it is implemented, and i'll ask the governor this because he's a doctor and a chief executive of the state, as it is implemented even if in ten years people look back and say it was near perfect, as it's implemtd there are going to be hick cups and problems. the bureaucracy will make mistakes. people will be hassled because they have to change this or that. the republicaning view that as

their great organizing opportunity for 2014. now they think ted cruz is making this about potentially shutting down the government which will hurt the republican brand at a time they wish -- not that they like it but let it be implemented, let there be delays, let there be problems and we will benefit. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i wasn't a supporter because i thought that there's a lot of things about this program that i don't think are going to work all that well. >> are you saying that as a doctor, as a governor? >> both. but i'm actually a bigger fan today of obamacare than i was when it was passed. here's what happened. what the congress voted to do was to have a universal health care system in the private sector. this is in the private sector. and whatever you think about the private versus the public sector, not many people would disagree with the idea that the private sector is much more innovative and flexible than the public sector. there are things in this bill which i don't think anybody who wrote the bill or voted for it like for example the aco and like the fact that this is going to break the employer health insurance link. they're going to revolutionize

health care. it's going to be done by the private sector. i actually disagree with john or with the republicans' position as you said. i think there's going to be an enormous plus for democrats. because yes, there are going to be hick cups and kinks. by june a year from now or roughly, a little less than a year from now, i think there are got to be a lot of people paying a lot less money for health insurance and people who never had health insurance before and a lot of masmall businesses who used to give health insurance before and don't now are going to be happy. >> will they have more closes? >> less choices. right now the employer makes the choice for you. >> ironically this bill was written by the heritage institute. by the heritage foundation, right? and romney put night effect in massachusetts. >> i'm not sure it's exactly the same bill. >> but the principles are the same. the consumers go online in massachusetts and they choose a series of plans for themselves. it's an extraordinary thing. it really is. >> is there not a method to

tinker with it? >> it's called compromise. it's a word that doesn't exist in washington right now. even though to his credit, senator rand paul has been mentioning a need for compromise to come up with some sort of solution here. today we saw president clinton and president obama together at the cgi, at clinton global initiative. and you know that when this white house starts bringing out bill clinton, the secretary of explaining stuff that barack obama is incapable of -- [ overlapping speakers ] so it's because there is no understanding the enrollment date is in a few days and there's no understanding of what this bill is. there's no understanding. >> among the public. >> among the public. >> that's true. >> the democrats have done a terrible job explaining this. >> and republicans have done a great job explaining their version of it. >> an alien landed on planet

earth today and turns on the news in the united states of america on one station you have president obama and president clinton explaining just how great obamacare was, and another channel you have ted cruz and rand paul explaining just how bad it was. it's enough to make anybody think they're hearing voices in your head. >> but payoff -- i argue the payoff is when it actually happens. it is going to happen. the big key i think to watch here is the 33-state exchange. all those states that refused to participate there's going to be one big federal exchange. whether that works right or not will be the key to this whole thing. >> do you think there should be an exception for the congressional staff? >> of course i don't think so. for a long time i thought they ought to get rid of all that stuff and put everybody else -- i don't think public employees should be exempted from social security. a big mistake for a lot of reasons. it's actually going to hurt the public employees. >> what would you say to the employees for example, of home depoters all these companies we read about every day that are losing options and losing jobs

because of this? >> that's not exactly how it's going. what they're doing is preparing essentially to break the link between employment and health insurance. once those folks -- i actually looked at some businesses, low income and home depot and those places don't pay much, are going to put their now part-time employees into the market. eventually they'll put them in the market and be happy to pay the 2,000 bucks which is a lot cheaper than paying ten. when they do that employees will make their own choices and get a taxpayer-funded subsidy to keep the prices down. this bill is -- look, i didn't like this bill. i thought it was overly complicated. really hard to explain. i was in favor of at least a public option where people could choose the public option everyone understood which was medicare. i didn't get my way. i looked under the hood of this bill in two years. there's a lot in here that the creators didn't know about that's going to be used by the private sector first to transfer our system from ailness system to wellness system by getting rid of future service medicine

which i think the private sector will do and second to break the link between employment and health insurance which actually could lead to a single payer which is really going to drive people crazy. it will only do it if that's what the public wants. >> everybody stick around. a lot more to talk about. breaking news when we come back out of kenya tonight. one of the shopping mall attackers has been identified. some details ahead. we'll be right back. i turned 65 last week.

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welcome back. breaking news tonight in the nairobi terror attack. i said one of the kenya mall attackers had been identified but that's not the case. officials said it appeared to be a woman and she was killed early on in the siege. they said her ethnicity could not yet be determined. the president of kenya says the siege is over. back at the table my panel. i want to start with cnn's report in nairobi who's been covering the story from the beginning. what's the latest? is this siege over? >> reporter: well, it would seem that the active hostage taking part of the siege is over, anderson. but there's still a lot of questions that remain about where the other attackers have gone. initially we were told there were between 10 to 15 armed men in there holding these hostages. we have had five accounted for, including one of whom appears to be the woman that you were

talking about that senior kenyan officials have been circulating photographs of her. but there have been big questions about where these attackers are, are they still at large. and if they're dead it's going to take a long while to figure that out because they're still sifting through the rubble after the collapse of three floors of this shopping center, anderson. >> the caucasian woman you're speaking about is a british woman. she's been dubbed the white widow. the wife of one of the london bombers. but again, it's not clear if in fact it is her involved in this attack. you said that 11 people are suspects, five alleged terrorists have been killed. the suspects, though, are not from that mall, correct? >> reporter: no, no, absolutely not. the suspects were detained attempting to leave the international airport here in nairobi which gives you a sense -- i think it starts to give us a sense of how international this network is.

it would imply that they have been flown in for this and that they have the kind of documentation that would allow them to easily travel to safe harbors. the presumption again from intelligence sources we've been speaking to is that some of these safe harbors might be in the u.s. or europe. but again this is all very preliminary evidence, very preliminary speculation from the intelligence sources, anderson. >> nimi,christiane. last night the big news was the foreign minister who had said two or three of the attackers were americans. was there any further confirmation of that? the president spoke publicly today. has there been any confirmation of that? >> reporter: well, the president did touch on that. he said that they had strong intelligence that showed evidence that two or three of them were american, and one of them is a british woman. but it just sounds like the crime scene in there is -- it sounds pretty horrific, actually. they said they can't even begin

to speculate on the nationalities of these people until they get the forensic inspectors in, which suggests perhaps that they're dead and suggestion that the bodies aren't in a recognizable state so they can be identified from photographs. forensic experts are on their way. they've called on help from israel, the u.s. and the u.k. and they're hoping to begin to answer those questions as soon as they can. because they realize that time is not on their side in trying to dismantle this network. >> we've also been told yesterday that some of the terrorists had used hostages and were still holding hostages as of yesterday. basically as human shields, literally hiding behind them in some cases. we now know that three floors according to authorities of this mall have collapsed. do we know what happened to those hostages who were being held? >> reporter: no. unfortunately not, anderson. and you can imagine the effect that's having on the families here waiting to go find out what's happened to the people

that are still missing. president kinyata pointedly didn't touch on that. i think that was mainly the main reason a lot of people were tuning in. we'd been getting a sense for awhile this was drawing to a close. for most of the ckenyans watchi address they were looking for and they didn't find it. we were hearing throughout this hostages were being used as human shields. we were evening hearing some information from intelligence sources they could have been b oracle team usa bo oby trapped. >> what can you tell us more about how they got in there, so many people heavily armed because they could hold off the security forces for two, three, four days, that they had rented perhaps a store inside the mall and over a period of time had stocked it up with weapons? is there any more detail on that? >> reporter: i think that's the

most worry ying part of this. not only were they able to storm through past the security, past the defenses at the west gate shopping center, just to describe it for you a little bit. you drive in. it's a large concrete building. then there's a walled compound around that building. so you have to drive through basically two or three layers of security and then go through a metal detector check to even get in. so the fact they were able to drive through all of that. and while a number of them were storming through downstairs, another number of them had gone up. so effectively when the first attack happened, it was almost like they had reinforcements. because the security officers were overwhelmed not only by the initial attackers but then by these separate waves of attackers who were coming down and joining the initial attack down. we understand it was near barclays bank on the first floor. this just sounds so incredibly well organized and well executed. and i think that's what's just been so worrying about this whole thing.

>> it's interesting, christiane. last night we had a terror analyst. he said this was a sign of weakness about al shabaab, this is the only kind of operation they can do. they can't do a highly technical operation like a 9/11 style. but it also does show you the strength of these al qaeda-inspired groups in africa. whether it's in nigeria. >> soft targets soft targets. they can't do the kind of thing at the moment for sure that we saw in 9/11. but soft targets. we discussed this. i was talking to the french president today who as you know led a successful attempt to with french forces to get rid of the islamic al qaeda franchise there in the magreb which had taken over in mali and paved the way for democratic elections. he said by no means is this over. we just have to keep being vigilant and keep pushing them back. the truth is in somalia and nimi knows this better than anybody, she was the one who reported

first on al shabaab for us, they had been pushed out to the most extent and pushed out of mostly what they controlled there but regrouping elsewhere to do this kind of attack. >> this attack, the boston marathon attack is a reminder that even unsophisticated, disorganized planning can wreak such havoc. >> i agree. very sophisticated organizing. >> it is sophisticated. but it's the softest of soft targets. not only is it a shopping mall, a shopping mall in africa. the fact of the matter is, it is a lot harder to get into the united states, these guys would have had a much rougher time than they would getting into kenya or mali or even northern nigeria. so there's a lot of work to be done against -- this kind of stuff will be with us for a long time. we are going to have to get our own security better and help other countries. likely this would not have happened in the united states.

>> i don't know a single mall in the united states where you go through three security checkpoints as they drive. >> they can't get into the country. not like that. the brothers in above the than were individual made their own bomb based on the internet. that's going to be much harder. these guys couldn't have done this here because they couldn't have gotten into the country. certainly couldn't have rented a store and brought arms in. >> dozens of people, americans who have joined al shabaab over the years, committed suicide attacks. obviously there is a concern about radicalization of elements here in the united states. >> there is except that all those people on an nsa list someplace. when they go in and out of the country even though they're american citizens they get take noon a back room and strip searched. [ overlapping speakers ] >> out of the country tracking them. trust me they're talking to their families. >> nimi, appreciate the reporting. great to see you as always. up next, could it be that the end is near for the

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could it be the death of blackberry. it's been in steady decline. just a few days ago the company announced a billion dollar loss for last quarter and layoffs in the thousands. now there's word for blackberry to become a private company with a canadian insurance company hoping to buy it for $9 a share. back with the panel, i'm stunned because at least three people, john king and christiane all amanpour -- >> before we discuss anything we have to declare conflict of interests. what are you? are you an iphone, an android or blackberry? >> i'm both. because it's hard for me to type on the iphone. so i still use the blackberry to type longer messages. part of my thing is 9/11 paranoia. i have an at&t and verizon. i used to also have a sprint. just because on this day it was hard to get service. >> i'm strictly iphone. >> all about the manicure.

you can type very easily with long nails on the screen. >> christiane, you use both, too. >> i was totally prehistoric. i didn't even enter the smartphone world until about three years ago. then it was blackberry, obviously. and then i got another one. [ overlapping speakers ] >> you only use a blackberry. >> i only use blackberry. i often write three or four paragraph e-mails and i can't do it on a touch-screen. >> $4.7 billion the company was valued at? >> 2.7 billion, 2 billion in cash in the company. the assets are probably about 4 billion. the fair question, assuming it goes through, what are they going to do with it? are they buying it because you love it and you're using it and we might all stay with it as a secure server system, or are they going to break it up into patterns and bits and

cannibalize? >> that's a prop. >> we haven't said why it is in such trouble. it's because it didn't innovate. it's because you can't internet on it properly. >> right. >> i will say once you make the switch to iphone, it took me a long time. but i now can't believe that i didn't switch earlier. [ overlapping speakers ] >> those who have seen the light. >> i wonder if the q 10 or z 10 works better. >> i sent mine back. >> not encouraging. >> i read an article today that washington, that the government is one of the big big clients of blackberry. why is that? >> encryptions, really great encryption system. better than all the other once. >> and that is why if you look at the statement from fairfax yesterday, they talk about developing secure servers. my gut feeling, and what do i know about this, but my gut feeling is this is going to

become a niche product in a very high end environment. we'll leave the apple iphone to others. >> my gut feeling it's going to become a highly collectible item in 100 years. >> we're dating ourselves here. >> i should save this. >> yes. >> i have one of those brick phones and i have the radio shack trash 80 we called them. i need to keep this for a museum? >> you may also have a hording problem. >> you've got no idea just how this goes to the core of people who are watching and how they are throwing things. we haven't mentioned nokia. we haven't mentioned android. >> i always thought it was no-key-ah. >> it was a rubber plant in finland. >> i get all my older children.

one was a droid, and one was a blackberry. over the summer they both switched to the iphone and they love it. >> the droid. >> beyond the commercial or dinosaur or whatever, come on, we wouldn't know what's going on in syria, chemical weapons. with these smart phones. it is remarkable how they've changed the world, not ju conveniently for us. >> it changed presidential campaigns. it's changed campaigns. >> it's also moved the arab spring along regardless of where they are now, none of that would have happened without something like that. >> your campaign was a pioneer in internet fundraising and then you just stopped? is that what happened? [ laughter ] >> my campaign was, the business about my campaign being the pioneer was great. that was my campaign, not me. i'm just smart enough to listen to all the 23-year-olds that work for us. >> once you've owned the title pioneer you own it for life. >> we've got to take a break.

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welcome back to "ac 360 later." time for what's your story. this is when we ask our panelists to choose a story others might have missed or they just found interesting today. i'm going to kick it off today. not really a news story. my dad passed away when i was ten. and recently there's a company called art on air which restores old radio interviews. and i got an e-mail from them or they tweeted this out, they found an interview that my dad did in 1976. and i for the first time since i was ten years old heard my dad's voice last week. and i'm going to play just a little bit of my dad talking about me in this radio interview from like 1976. listen. >> we talk a great deal about moral and character values, but also they ask me questions like, anderson my youngest son asks, how much does a stockman make.

that's what he would like to be now. he can't make up his mind whether he wants to be a stuntman or a policeman. >> anchors make a lot more than stunt men or policemen. but i just thought it was -- >> how did it feel? >> it was really -- it's not how i remember his voice. i mean, i can't really remember his voice. but he was from the south. and i don't know, it's not how i remember his voice. but it was stunning to just -- and for all the people out there who have lost a parent to suddenly hear, yeah, it's really fun. you can actually hear the whole interview. he reads about his family and my family in the south at art on air if you look up online. your story, anna, what's your story? >> powerful emotion to a segue into the fact that i've been on a diet my entire life. more successfully sometimes, less others. today i read that burg king had come out with fries that were less fattening, 20% less fattening.

>> we went out and bought them. >> they're called satisfry. >> they've got a lot of vitamins in it. >> i'm an mcdonald's fry guy. to me nothing is as good as mcdonald's fry. >> i thought your doctor said it was okay? [ overlapping speakers ] >> please. >> verify. >> listen, they are satisfying so i will be buying. >> all right. john king, what is your story? >> i'm going to go sports here. a lot of times in early on in the obama administration everything bad that happened they said it was george w. bush's fault. now they have to go to george w. bush and say thank you. he told on the golf channel anybody who criticized obama, he'll make a big announcement, find he's out golfing. president bush saying back off. telling the golf channel it's a pretty stressful job. if president can get out there and swing the clubs, relax a little bit, it's a good thing.

>> are you watching the golf channel by the way? do you golf? >> i used to golf. my dad -- you mentioned losing your dad. my dad died when i was 24. my dad was a great golfer and i'm not. but i actually tried to pick it up for that very reason. >> interesting. >> and then i took a job with this place called cnn and i covered the white house. and in the 9 1/2 years i covered the white house i never golfed once. >> do you think it's fair that any president gets knocked for vacations they take? >> i think it's ridiculous. hardest job in the world and they don't get that much vacation. obama gets criticized and clinton did and bush did i'm sure. bush went to the ranch in crawford. let him. first of all there's no such thing as a vacation. they bring every piece of equipment you can possibly think of and create a white house wherever the president is. so this is the toughest job in the world. let these guys have a little time off here. >> bill i got to ask you a question. why are the boston red sox into the guys from duck dynasty? can you explain the phenomenon?

[ overlapping speakers ] >> fish out of water? [ overlapping speakers ] >> in spring training, one of the new members of the team decided that that would be their way to come together, a lot of new players on the team. they had a horrible season last year. they decided they were going to grow facial hair. most of them have. some of them do it quite well and some of them -- but you know what? there's a world series in our future. i'm going to say that right here so we're going to hang on. >> i want to thank everybody on our panel. governor dean thanks for being with us. good to have you here. that does it for "ac 360 later." i'll see you tomorrow. i'll see you tomorrow. goodbye. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

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