we're back. and now i'm in a straight jacket. this is probably everyone's dream. how are you, criss angel. >> i'm going to leave you like the government is leaving us. >> i have been shut down by criss angel. look out for him this week. it will been amazing stunt when it happens. he has ten shows a week at the luxor in las vegas. thanks, again. >> i will leave you be. thank you. thank you. >> thanks. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

good evening, everyone, welcome to "ac360." two trades. and most of nasa is is on furlough. and they are seeing the movie "gravity" what a rocket scientist thinks of the movie. we start with the government shutdown day seven. joining me is christiane amanpour, anna navarro, and gro grovernor quist. let's start with da that on capitol hill. is there any change or movement? >> no. the only movement is the sound of the president talking and house speaker john boehner talking and the woosh of them

talking past each other and that's unfortunately about it. that's the truth. there has been a little bit of discussion about what kind of process could probably work to give the president space to have him save face from his line in the sand that he is not going to negotiate on anything, whether the government shutdown or the debt ceiling. a little bit of discussion about what could allow the speaker to save face that he is not going to allow a clean bill on either of the measures to come forward. but when it comes to talking we are not any closer today than we were on friday, saturday or a week ago monday. >> grover, why not allow a clean bill to come up for a vote? republicans say they don't have the -- the democrats don't have the votes to pass it even with republicans going for it.

but why not eliminate that talking point? >> the republicans say why not allow the senate to vote on the issue by issue clean cr? the republicans have said are you concerned about national parks? the president is putting up fences around parks in d.c. and around the country. they passed a clean cr for national parks. let's make sure the national institutes are health are kept open. >> is that a financially responsible way to operate the government? >> it says to the government and the politics they can't turn around and use the politics we are not going to let the cancer patients get their stuff. they have passed a law to allow that. >> this is insane. you don't only keep open the parts of the government you like you keep open the government in total. >> why? >> the argument that grover is

making -- >> why? >> is it not a legitimate tactic in american politics that you don't like a policy that has been ratified by the supreme court to say we are going to shut down the government and only allow the parts of the government we agree with to go forward. >> more that half of debt ceilings have had efforts to restrain spending attached to them. >> we haven't had a government shut down in 17 years. >> we have never had a debt ceiling default. go ahead. >> i have just come back from overseas and overseas people are completely gob smacked. they can't believe this. the financial times headline is united states flirting with self destruction. that is just the shut down. now with the idea of a default people are freaking out. the markets hate what speaker boehner said yesterday we are not going to pass a clean debt

ceiling bill. do you know what makes america a superpower? what makes america a superpower is not just its military and democracy but it's great confidence in finances. and if some petty political argument is going to strip the confidence to the world's most powerful currency it's like unilateral disarmament. it's like self destruction. >> one at a time. anna -- >> 2011 -- >> you had -- >> we are not going to default. >> let me tell you this it takes two to tan go and two to argue. the defense of one side or the other is not leading to a result. the bottom line the american people want congress and the white house to work together and get the government working. we are seeing polls where the republicans are taking a bigger hit but only slightly. >> the republicans are saying that the president will not

negotiate and harry reid says i negotiated with boehner and we put forward a resolution for the budget for 9 $8 billion. that's not the number we wanted. that's a compromise. is that true? >> i was not the room. but i can tell you we are where we are now. there has to be a solution that encompasses what dana just say that saves face for the speaker, republicans and white house. and that would be a good solution, a good way to do things. >> what we are seeing now is the blaming of the republicans is shifting to democrats in the sense that people just want the government to work together and get it done. and there may be now actually a very good moment for the democrats to start negotiating over the budget before the debt ceiling rather than taking the stance we are not giving in to hostages. there was a piece on "the daily

beast" how this could be a good moment to negotiate on the budget. all the republicans need is a fig leaf -- >> the chinese are freak out. they own a lot of america's debt and they are saying, please, republicans and democrats get together. please don't do this. they are really, really freaked out. it could be a 2008 or worse global economic crisis. >> do you believe that? >> the biggest threat was two miles of washington, d.c. that was far worse than any kind of -- >> in 2011 we were told there was this big crisis. what happened was we ended up cutting $2.5 trillion out of obama's planned spending, got the sequester and that was helpful to the economy. >> it was a -- >> very helpful to the economy? is there -- the sequester has been a disaster -- it was terrible for the economy.

it was the wrong way to cut government spending and slowed the recovery from economic growth and that was getting close to the debt ceiling not defaulting. >> that is not true. we stopped $2.5 trillion of obama's planned spending and we need to do more. >> they did not do anything about the long term entitlement spending and cut short term spending necessary to stimulate the economy. >> obama had the presidency and the house and senate for two full years and did nothing about long term entitlements other than to add to it. the idea that he desires to detail to the long term entitlement spending he spent every day in 2009 not doing anything and every day in 2010 and we really believe that he secretly wants to do that when he had all the power and did nothing but make it worse? >> obama offered cuts in medicare and in the consumer

price index as part -- >> tied to a trillion dollars in tax increases. >> and every time we have done anything about the budget deficit in the past it was a compromise with cuts and spending and increases in revenue. >> not in 2011. we got just spending which is the right way to go. >> do you think he could have passed it the first two years knowing he was facing a re-election? >> he threw away his house majority doing something else. >> dana? >> the one thing i'm thinking is i wish i could agsay gob smacke and not look like a fool like christiane can. but with regard to looking forward to this week, the vote that we're going to look for is in the senate. the senate democratic leadership will try to bring up a clean debt ceiling bill. it looks like at this point,

probably no republicans are going to support them. that means it's going to be a party-line vote. 54 democrats likely maximum are going to vote for this. and so that may put the pressure more on democrats, frankly. the democratic-led senate will be able to say they have the majority but not enough 60 votes to break a filibuster. it might put the pressure on the democrats to give a little bit on their line in the sand. >> where is the give room? what should, grover, the white house should give on? assuming -- are you talking about obama care or debt reduction? >> there are a couple of places. it is unlikely to move on obama care. what could happen is a trade. the democrats don't like the sequester. it is squeezing their interest groups. they would like to spend more this year. the republicans want to solve the long term problem of entitlements. we could trade and this is what boehner and others have been

putting forward reduce the long term overspending in return for more spending today with sequester caps lifted temporarily. so i would pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. you can have the hamburger today, the democrats happy and republicans happy with serious long term savings in entitlement spending. >> that was a pop eye reference. >> this is not -- >> if you give the republicans something, for threatening the full faith and credit of the united states and shutting down the government you are giving them an incentive to do it again and obama is not going to allow that to happen and the american people are going to punish the republicans so badly for this we won't have to listen to this again because the republican party is sending itself to oblivion with the positions that

are driving it into a hole. >> the blame. i think you are mistaken the longer this goes on and the more impatient the american public -- >> look at the "washington post" poll today, obama's popularity is up 4 points. >> let me tell you it is not just the republicans who are pay a price. when you continue to see children who can't go to parks in washington and continue seeing veterans who can't go to their memorial everybody is going to get upset about this. enough of the blame game and figuring out who is winning. tell you what -- >> what we have seen though is so much money has been put into this defunding of obama care. i saw the piece in the "new york times" the $200 million that the cook brothers, the rasputin of republican politics and they

spent $200 million in this activism against the funding of obama care. >> do you think of republicans who have been running on defunding obama care would give up on it? >> well -- >> the negotiating point you were talking about wasn't about obama care. >> the republicans, including the more conservative tea party elements are worried about overspending. obama care is a piece of that. if you said to them, look, we have $64 trillion in unfunded liabilities, present value, if we start to bring that down in a serious way, absolutely. >> i just want to know, flat out, you just outlined a bit of a trade or a deal. do you think what speaker boehner said that we are looking default in the eye, is it going to happen? >> the president of the united states started this debate -- >> just answer the question. >> i just want to know -- >> the president by saying if

you don't give me higher taxes and more spending i will go to default he was the first to say it this year, i think it's a danger. i hope we don't do that. >> do you think the republicans should allow that? >> they should continue to offer things. >> the continuing resolution or a default of the debt. >> that's not the option. >> i'm giving you that option. which would you choose? >> i'm arguing what the republicans are able to make the case for, the president said he would rather have a default than not get his tax increase. >> we also saw today -- >> he started this conversation today. >> the white house said they would be open to a short term debt ceiling hike. the white house doesn't want it and we know republicans don't want it. we know speaker boehner doesn't want it. >> right. >> the growing wing in the republican party that is trying to say that default doesn't

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it's ♪ ♪ i cut my figures on the way. >> thanks for watching and tuning in. the #ac360. a pair of military operations landed a couple of figures in custody. abu anas al libi wanted in the 1998 embassy bombings was grabbed in libya. and navy seale seales - seales s.e.a.l.s had to abort a mission. how significant is the guy we grabbed in libya? is this for the bombings in the past or do they hope he has current operational information? >> mostry the former answer.

it's possible his wife has told cnn he got out of the al qaeda business and that may be true. but one way to score the relative importance there was a $5 million reward for him. the leader of al qaeda has a 25 million dollar reward. he is 20% less important than the leader of al qaeda which makes him important but it's not the most seismic thing that has happened in the war on terror. >> you know, i think he is right but also daniel benjamin who was in the state department anti-terrorism coordinator and others said he was instrumental in the 1998 bombings and has links to pakistan and other such al qaeda franchises and they feel that capturing him alive, putting boots on the ground which has been rare. this is one of the first times we have seen boots on the ground

in this kind of operation and it shows a desire to get as much intelligence as possible as well as to send a message as everybody is saying you can run but you can't hide and justice will come to you. the al libi case is like that. >> the important message to me is once you have been in the al qaeda business even if you get out of it you were in it and if you try to harm americans, if you did harm americans and commit acts of terror, you request hide and go pray -- >> but -- >> but we are going to catch you. >> it was good symbolism for obama where after syria and everybody felt it was a flip-flop it was a good symbol. but there is a fragile government in libya. >> i spoke to the prime minister who is western-backed and not an

islamist and treading a very, very thin -- tricky line there. as he said it's not a failing state. we are not even a state yet. >> but do you think perhaps america once the spotlight is gone do we leave enough support in place? >> they don't thinkly the there was enough support. >> so it was important to do that in libya. and peter i know we have been listening to the libyan authorities say we didn't know about this. this is a kidnapping, we didn't know about this how did you violate our sovereignty. >> do you buy they would not have known? >> they have saying no. but they might have had a head's up. but the pentagon described this as a capture under the laws of war which is an interesting formulation. it suggests that it was done without the permission of the libyan government. under the laws of war, the

united states's attitude is if a government is unwilling or unable to take action, we, the united states, will employ military force whether drones or special forces to do the things we want. >> let's talk about the operation in somalia. what stands out to you about that? >> well, i guess it's mixed result is the big thing. unfortunately it didn't go as well as planned. but i think take the two events together it shows that obama is very comfortable with special forces and use of drones, the use of cyberwar against iran and all sorts of things that fall short of conventional war. the budget this the defense department the only place you are seeing forgrowth in forces in special forces and protecting against cyberattack. >> i talked to someone formerly with the fbi. he said he doesn't think is it a

coincidence they happened at the same time and the anniversary of the blackhawk down operation in somalia back in the early '90s do. you think that's true? >> i don't think they are necessarily connected. i think that is one of life's happy coincidences. this is someone they have been looking at for the last two years in within way or another. the that back operation came after the kenya mall incident two weeks ago. >> you don't think that was designed, right? they said it was hatched much before that. i spoke to the -- the somali foreign minister who was delighted that the u.s. had come in. he said we don't want them here. and i think it's fascinating and a message that the obama administration is saying particularly at a time when the shut down makes the administration -- >> it shows that washington --

>> it is interesting, i did kind of wonder the decision not to call them back and not continue with the raid. there is a haunting in that area of we don't want to find -- >> it shows the world that the united states is capable of walking in circles and chewing gum at the same time. you talk about the international headlines about the shutdown and what that means and the disfunction in washington. >> that is clearly what is going through the minds of the administration at this time. that is one added benefit to these operations. >> there is a disconnect from the people in washington and the people in uniform or the special forces. is it a contrast between people who step up and do what they are supposed to do and those who don't. >> up next, the panel justice sclee yeah's thoughts on equal rights for gay americans and the existence of the devil. [ paper rustles, outdoor sounds ]

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. welcome back. everything you wanted to know about justice antonin scalia. justice scalia weighs in on a number of topics. he says that the devil is real and doesn't know why anyone would want to be friended on the internet and thinks he has gay friends but doesn't know for sure.

we have fascinating people to talk about it. christiane amanpour, what did you make of the interview? >> look, he has been quoted and i agree, he is the pinup girl or pinup boy for criminal defense lawyers. and you would not expect that. you would think someone who is that conservative and ideological. >> what do you mean? >> he has come up with and penned cases like crawford and i could go through the cases. he has been the greatest savior for the right constitution rights of the accused of anyone probably in the last 100 years. i let him do whatever he wants to do and the fact that he has bonded with kagan on their hunting trips is not a bad thing. >> i want to bring in jeff

toobin. what do you think? >> it is a public service. anyone who thinks that the supreme court is anything but a deeply political institution got to see a portrait of a 1950s social conservative. he doesn't like the internet. he doesn't like the sex and violence on tv and is not sure if he has ever met a gay person. this is who antonin scalia is. >> jeff's book, you should read it. >> he also reflects that he is 77 years old. you know, a lot of these issues, particularly the lgbt rights issues are generational across the country. and i think what we see from him is that. i thought it was a terrific interview. it was colorful. he obviously doesn't care about political correctness or what they think about him. he will be long dead and gone

and sublimely happy or unhappy. i thought it was -- >> i thought it -- >> one of the -- >> antonin scalia unplugged. >> and he said he didn't read the "new york times" or the "washington post" because they make him angry. but it was interesting to me that he also lives in his own echo chamber too. i would have thought he would want that range of opinion. >> jeff, does that surprise you? >> and right wing talk radio was also a big part of his life. if you want to talk about the age issue, ruth bader ginsburg is 80 years old and she has done two same-sex marriages this summer. i mean this is a woman who is very much intune with the modern world. i don't think it is purely an age matter. >> i was -- i was going to say

you're a senior legal analyst because you look older than me but it's the thing that is fascinating about him is this bonding of him and kagan. i think that that -- and he is -- she has brought him -- i know you don't think that. but that florida case with the dog sniff where he broke with the conservatives, it's a whole different dynamic going on at the supreme court. this is becoming her court. this is becoming kagan's court. >> sleazy journalists like me are always pointing out the relationships between the justices and ruth ginsburg and scalia go to the opera together and scalia and kagan go hunting together. it's all not very important but what matters is ideology. kagan and scalia don't vote together very often. >> the dog nih case in florida.

>> dog sniff case? >> it is -- >> let's not -- >> i want to know what the dog was sniffing. >> for those who haven't heard this -- let's move on. for those who haven't read the interview. he said i don't want watch "homeland" i watched one episode of "duck dynasty" i love "seinfeld." it was hilarious. the nazi soup kitchen, no soup for you. >> but you are saying that personality doesn't matter on the supreme court? >> it's not that personality doesn't matter but the idea that justices influence each other is usually vastly overstated. what matters on this court is there are five republican appointees and four democratic appointees. that's most of what you need to know. the republicans vote one way and the democrats vote the other. >> i could not disagree more.

look at what happened with brier. he has jumped the shark on all kinds of cases. scalia is going the opposite way. there is no way you can say this is a republican/democratic split. >> you want to take a look at the supreme court. >> you have to pay more attention and do some research on that, toobin. >> he also says -- >> look at the voting rights act. >> but can i ask you a legal question. is al libi going to get successfully prosecuted when he is sent to new york. >> my prediction is he will not go to new york. for political reasons. >> he was indicted here. >> we are about to disagree again. >> where is he going? >> jeff, go ahead. >> i disagree with mark with that too. this is not khalid sheikh

mohammed who has a separate space because he is a celebritied and notorious criminal. this guy is in the category of the shoe bomber and the times square bomber. >> no, no, no. >> the american league system has dealt with these people successfully. and i think there is no reason to think this guy won't be prosecuted here. >> there's no way you can compare him to richard reid, the shoe bomber. he is substantially higher up in the food chain. -- >> hundreds of people were killed as well. >> yeah. >> i mean, this is not some crazy. this is an ideologue. >> where is he going? >> i think politically the u.s. would make a huge mistake. bringing him here will increase his status amongst the -- >> show the world in an open situation there can be justice -- >> but that's the concern of a lot of these prosecutors, has it borne fruit, that gives them a

showcase. >> it has never been the case. it has never been the case that someone tried in an american courtroom turns into a hero elsewhere. the only hero is the american legal system which is successful in prosecuting these -- >> these terrorism cases. >> none of these guys have become ---ing are you kidding me? the guys prosecuted in '93 for the world trade center became the iconic giant symbols for jihad. >> really? name one, mark. name one. >> the guy who drove the truck. >> that's how famous they are. >> i'm not in the jihadist movement. but i will tell you that -- give me a break on. that these guys do not -- they become lionized when they are prosecuted here. >> that's not true. that's not true. >> but -- >> but you are making --

>> but you are making a distinction between being lionized for what they did -- it wasn't the court process. >> you torture them and -- >> these are not -- this is not a criminal justice issue. a criminal justice issue is where you pick someone up and arrest them and they are a citizen. >> you don't think there is power to subject them to criminal prosecution. >> the power of criminal prosecution to give them all of the rights. cz to give him a forum to incite people in other places. you are my hero when it comes to middle east policy. >> i have thought that people coming here to get prosecuted -- >> i'm not talking about languishing. they are --

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welcome back. "gravity" was the block buster movie of the weekend putting in $55 million. it's a space thriller. they are aboard a space shuttle mission when debris damages the shuttle and they are set adrift. some scientists are saying it's more about movie magic than science. isn't that the point? it's a movie. we have joining us by remote. i want to bring in the flight director who helped the curiosity rover land on mars. it's great to have you here. you saw the movie. i did not see the movie.

so please don't give away major plot points. but did you quibble with some of the science of it? i read from some that they were quibbling with the facts? >> i thought it was an amazing movie and fun to watch. there were a few things i think that, you know, maybe if you were paying attention to the detail you would be bothered by. but otherwise i thought it was great. it works out really well. the timing and the space pacing is great. if you try to make it too accurate it might be too long and boring. >> he is a cool scientist. >> everybody says you should see it in 3-d and i-max. >> where is he with? jpl? >> nasa. >> christiane you have not seen it. you saw "captain philips". >> these were somali pirates in

2009 who took an american ship carrying cargo and captured the captain phillips who was the captain of the ship. he saved the crew -- >> that's not what the crew is saying. >> are you on their side? >> no. but they are saying he should have gone out 600 miles. >> and captain philips doesn't caim to be a hero. >> this is from your interview with tom hanks. >> the primary motive was get the guys off the ship. if i can get them off the ship in any way. for a while it looked like they would sail away with 30,000 bucks. but he would never -- he -- he would never use the word hero in regards to himself. he said i was waiting for the heroes to show up. >> and they were the navy

s.e.a.l.s. >> this will be the big block buster this weekend. >> "lone survivor" that is the movie i took for the oscar. >> we're going to talk about movies i'm going to talk about "rush." i'm telling you, that dynamic between nicky and james and which is based on pretty much a true story is an incredible movie. >> bob, how does the film making or the space scenes, how does it compare to images you see on monitors when you are doing your job? >> i work on mars. i don't see the earth in orbit but it's it's beautiful. i think the thing is -- i talked to a few astronaut friends, they described it as a tool for them to describe to family and friends what it is like to be in space and what it is like to

look down on the earth. a friend of mine worked on the hubble mission and he said this is how he showed his family -- not this part we are seeing right now. but the part -- the early part at the hubble space telescope and what it is like. >> watching it from the controls where you watch it from, do you think why can't i be the one up there? >> there's a part of me that wants to go to space, definitely. i think there be a time. but these astronauts are so hard working and spend so much time training and working hard and making family and friend sacrifices. i think it's very difficult. i'm not ready to make those choices yet. >> are you allowed to have a mohawk in space? >> the helmet might kind of crush it. >> how many people can say i work on mars? >> that is -- >> i love what this guy is

saying. he understands this is cinema. it's movie making. this is not a documentary. and it's about having people watch it and i just -- i love the fact you are making it accessible to everybody. and i think your hair rocks. >> thank you. >> i have to say the movie gets a lot of the science correct. it has the zero gravity element and the attention to detail about the space station and the telescope and the suits and everything else. there are things of a course when you get too correct and you are so good at it, people find the small flaws. but it's a fantastic movie. it makes me want to go to space more even though it's scary. >> there is another space movie called "europa report." >> it's a great movie. yes. it turns -- but -- and that one

had a lot of, you know, same kind of people, a lot of astronauts and other specialists in the field kind of came in and helped them to make that movie happen and get the details correct. >> george clooney is going to be there i want to go to space. >> in terms of the sort of veracity point. are the excrew members trashing captain phillips. >> but here's the thing -- >> there is no lawsuit -- and it's almost silly in a way, the lawsuit itself, when it's brought into this discussion. >> right. >> thank you so much for joining us. appreciate all you do. up next, what's your story? i will ask you to share a story that grabbed your attention today. we'll be right back. [ man ] on december 17, 1903, the wright brothers became the first in flight.

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attention today. what's your story? >> this nine-year-old kid in minnesota. i can't sneak a five ounce tube of toothpaste through security at the airport and this nine-year-old got on a plane to las vegas without a ticket after having been at the airport casing it out got through security and ended up in las vegas. this blows my mind. i want to hire him to bring my toiletries on board. >> the flight attendants grew suspicious half way through the flight he wasn't on the list. >> he was ordering double vodka rocks. >> a stow away. >> my story is one that is trending on twitter any rin ira. everybody from the president and everybody else has gone around the softwares to block it. and what is trending is #jeans.

prime minister netanyahu gave an interview and said iranians will only be free when they can wear blue jeans and every iranian has gone on social media to show they are wearing blue jeans. >> tomorrow we should all wear jeans. >> we talked about the motorcycle case here and cable news sensation. today we find out that it looks like -- i think i gave the prosecutors too much credit. it looks like, the reason that various people weren't being prosecuted is there were a lot of undercover cops there. >> at least two undercover police officers who did not report it until several days later. >> they didn't want to blow their cover by protecting someone who was getting the holy crap beat out of them. >> now they are talking now that

there may be as many as six undercover cops there. >> what were they doing? >> deep under cover to ride -- >> or just motorcycle enthusiasts. >> but i saw gloria allred downstairs. she has one of the motorcyclist's relatives that she is representing and she will -- >> do you know -- >> i was obsessed with the piece over the weekend about the mug shot websites about how if you get apprehended and have a mug shot taken but you didn't do anything that mug shot comes up on these websites again and again and again and dog use everywhere you go. >> and you have to pay to get rid of it. >> and it could be an extortion racket. >> i have had celebrity clients will pay anything to get that down. >> we have to go. thanks for watching this edition

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