republicans, and the american people. mr. president, i want you to imagine what would have happened if all 46 senate republicans had united and gone together and said, the house of representatives has passed a bill funding the v.a. we should fun the v.a., mr. president, the majority of the senate refuse to allow the senate even to vote to fund the v.a. i want to you imagine, mr. president, all 46 senate republicans, if we had stood together and simply supported the house republicans. in saying the house of representatives has voted to reopen our national parks, to reopen our war memorials, and the majority leader of the snalt refuses to allow the senate even to vote. mr. president, i want to you imagine simply the senate republicans had stood together and said, we support the house

republicans in standing with the american people. mr. president, if that had happened, this result, i believe, would have been very, very different. it is heart breaking to the american people that senate republicans divided as they did, and decided to direct their criticism, direct their attention, direct their cannon fire at house republicans and at those standing with the american people. but yet at the same time, mr. president, to the millions of americans who rose up in the last couple of months, i want to give a word of encouragement. a word of encouragement about the path forward. a couple months tag washington establishment scoffed at the notion the american people might rise up. that was viewed as silly, parochial, couldn't happen. a couple months tag washington

establishment scoffed at the notion that the house of representatives would stand strong saying we should fund every part but not obama care. and yet, mr. president, what we've seen in the last two months has been extraordinary. millions of americans speaking up in overwhelming numbers. saying obama care isn't working. mr. president, the unions are jumping ship. democratic members of the senate and the house weapon to the president and said, we want to be exempted from obama care. this law isn't working. and it is worth reflecting on how extraordinary it is to see the american people rise up in such incredible numbers and to see the house of representatives engage in what i consider to be a profile in courage. standing with the american people. now, a path forward, the way we

are going to stop obama care. the way we are going to stop the suffering, the harms being visited on millions of americans, is the path we have seen these past couple of months. the american people rising up. the answers are not going to come from washington. washington is broken. but the answers are going to come from the american people. so mr. president, i am today encouraged. i am encouraged by the millions of americans who want to get back to our free market principles, back to the constitution and stop this train wreck of a law that is the biggest job killer in this country. that is hurting people all across the country. it is sad that the united states senate is telling people all across this country who are struggling, who are trying on provide for their kids, and who are getting notifications in the mail, your health care has been

dropped. make you have an elderly parent, and that health care policy is provided for your family. maybe you have children facing debilitating diseases and you're getting a notification in the mail, your health insuranance h been dropped because of obama care. it is sad that the u.s. senate will do nothing to answer your polite. we created your plight. mr. president, it is sad that when you have james hoffa, the president of the teamsters, saying obama care is destroying the health care of millions of working men and women in this country, and the families who depend upon them, that the u.s. senate says we're closed for business. the washington establishment has excepted itself so the problems of suffering, america is not the problem of the establishment.

that is sad but at the same time, i am optimistic, i am inspired by the millions of americans who have risen up. if the american people continue to rise up, i am confident that in time, the u.s. senate will follow the lead of the house of representatives and listen to the american people. that is our job. that is our responsibility. this is a terrible deal today. but it is a terrible deal for the american people. at the same time the path forward if the american people rise up, we're going to turn this around. we're going on restore jobs, we're going to restore economic growth. we're going on restore the ability of people struggling to climb the economic ladder and to achieve the american dream and we're going to stop the number one job killer in this country. that is obama care. you're listening to senator ted cruz. he is on the senate floor and giving a very impassioned indictment of obama care and the

deal that is about to pass the senate. of course, he is calling that deal which would end the government shutdown which would extend the debt ceiling. he is calling it a terrible deal, a train wreck of a law and saying that he stands fully by his guns in terms of obama care which he believes is something which should fail and be repealed. now, here is the situation. we are in a news situation waiting for votes. the senate, going to be voting for that deal tonight. as i said, would it extend the debt ceiling. that vote will pass the senate. as you heard ted cruz say. then a vote is going to come in house. and we are on standby for these votes this hour. pass or fail, the world is watching. markets everywhere for any sign from capitol hill tonight. we are fewer than five hours away from hitting that debt ceiling. as you can see on the screen, the government has been shut for 16 days. earlier today, in the house,

house speaker john boehner finally caved to the pressure. >> we fought the good fight and we couldn't win. we did everything we could to get them to the table to negotiate. they kemd saying no, no, no. >> when will the government reopen in. >> i would expect to it happen tomorrow. >> that's what john boehner had to say. obviously ted cruz trying to rally house republicans. and he does face stiff opposition from his own party, his efforts to pass in the house has fail before. tonight there is no second chance. dana bash is on capitol hill. obviously, the bill for all intents and purposes will pass. we are waiting for that formal vote to make sure that happens. and thint goes to the house. that vote to happen only the. what happens then? >> then it goes to the president's desk and he signs

it. it is after all the drama and the twists and turns. it happens just that fast. if, the big if. there have been so many unexpected twists and turns. we do expect that to happen. we are waiting for the final debate to finish. we began with ted cruz. we'll see chuck schumer, the democrat on the floor now. there will be two votes in the senate. the final will be the final vote. the first will be the telltale vote to see how big of a bipartisan vote this will be. democratic and republican sources think they could get upwards of 80 out of 100 nazr to vote for this. we'll see. and then the next piece of political drama will be how many republicans in the house support what we understand was john boehner's plea in a private meeting today to vote for this deal even though he doesn't love

it. he wants republicans to be united in a way they haven't been in the past few weeks. >> and when you talk about the house, i am remembering, you know, the day when i was sitting there. i know you were there. the day everyone thought the deal to save the u.s. economy was a done deal. during the financial crisis. and then it turned out at the last second, there weren't the votes. and stocks plunged 778 points. that terrified the world. that was another situation where everyone thought it was a done deal. and here we are with the house tonight. everyone saying, it will be a done deal. it took the market tanking to get congress to pass it. there is no doubt the market accomplished that. is there any chance this doesn't pass the house? >> given what we have heard from democratic leaders and democratic members in the house, and they make up 200 members of the house and there needs to be

217 to pass. it is extremely unlikely that we would have that kind of surprise defeat of this vote. but again, because things have gone in so many unexpected twists and turns, i don't want to say definitively, no. because of that and because on the other side of the aisle, the majority leader, the house speaker and other leaders on the republican side are trying to get republicans to vote for it. it doesn't look like it is likely to fail. >> we will see. and obviously, this is countdown we're on. dana will be with us as this news breaks. as we await these crucial votes. as they happen, we're waiting for this any minute. we meet from the president. all of these things, as we roll through our coverage tonight, you will hear on this program. let me explain what this final bill is that congress is going to vote. on this is bill. it would reopen the government. obviously as you heard john boehner saying, tomorrow. but only through january feenlt.

it would raise the debt ceiling but only through february 7th. it would set off budget negotiations for a long term spending plan. if you roll your eyes and say i've heard about that, bing the super committee, you're correct. one member who doesn't support it is our guest. congressman barton, you just heard senator ted cruise with an impassioned indictment of this deal. and of obama care. do you think the bill will pass the house tonight in. >> i think with speaker boehner endorsing it in the republican conference, it probably will pass. but it will be appear a victory. this isn't the end of the fourth quarter. this is maybe the end of the second quarter. we're borrowing too much money. we need to structurally reform the government and entitlements. and what this is is a punt, as

you pointed out. keeping the government open until the middle of january, and borrowing another $200 billion that keeps us until the early february. this is just halftime. >> did john boehner make a mistake endorsing it? who knows what would have happened in the markets. we know there is enough money to pay everything for some more time. so you know, october 17th. could you argue whether it is a drop dead date or not. did he make the mistake endorsing this deal today? >> well, i think the speaker made a judgment call. and it was kind of a 50/50 judgment on his part. he decided the risk wasn't worth the possible default which i don't think it would happen. i'm not going to begrudge him that judgment call. the main problem is we're spending too much money. the government is too big. obama care is not working. and those problems won't go away

because we've borrowed another $200 billion and told government workers to come back until the middle of january. i wanted to play you the words of ted cruz. >> we saw the house of representatives take a courageous stand, listening to the american people. that everyone in official washington just weeks earlier said would never happen. that was a remarkable victory to see the house engage in a profile in courage. >> money was essentially thrown away. you have to be upset about this. s&p says it cost $24 billion to shut down the government. and you're going on pay everybody who has been if you are loaded for a vacation when they didn't work. and you haven't gotten a single thing in obama care. how is that a profile in courage? >> i respect him. i agree with you. this is an profile in courage.

we tried to do the right thing. i think trying to refund or repeal obama care is the right thing and i think trying get to some budget reforms in exchange for the debt ceiling increase is the right thing. this is not the end of the fourth quarter. this is the end of the first half. it will be there in january, february, eventually we will come together. [ inaudible ]. >> right? it has been 13 times. we've approached deadlines like this since 2011. every time there's been, what was the word they used? a difference. budget negotiations, a conference to have some sort of a big deal. there was a super committee last

time. every time it has failed and at the 11th hour there has been a bad deal made. to me we'll be going through this in three months. >> i have confidence in the american people, in their judgment. that at some point people will realize that 17 trillion is a huge debt. we don't want it to go to 18 or 19 or 20 trillion. i basically trust democracy and i can guarantee you on behalf of the sixth district of texas, i'm going to be up here fighting. not to shut the government down. >> rise up and tell washington, about the failures of obama care. the pain that has been visited pound, i believe, i'm

paraphrasing. the words that he just used to describe it. i'm confused. obama care hasn't really started. would it it be better to let it roll out. if it succeeds, you could back off. you're stuck now. >> actually i have a bill i'll introduce next week to make it voluntary for the first year, for the year 2014. if it is as great as the democrats say it is, people will join up. if it is as bad as people like me say, they won't join. my guess is the only people that will really benefit are people with preexisting conditions. obviously they should join because they don't have insurance now. i don't think many other people will benefit from it. i think the american people will choose it is not a good deal. >> thank you very much for taking the time. we appreciate it. he is going to be a no vote but

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you can see we're live at the senate floor. they are moments away from voting on a bill which would end the shutdown and avoid a possible default. as you know, this is so crucial. not just because it is a crucial vote that will go to the house but because we are just a few hours away from formally hitting that debt ceiling deadline. after it passes the senate, which of course we anticipate it easily will, it will go to the house. that will be another crucial vote tonight. "outfront." cnn contributors also "outfront," form he republican congressman tom davis. great to have all of you with us. we appreciate it. here we are. let me ask you, here we are. you just heard representative barton say, ted cruz was wrong. this was not courage, even though congressman barton will

vote. how big of a mistake has this been? >> they would have been the underlying battle. they got the financial number, the continuing resolution spending number. not what the democrats wanted them won this thing two week ago but they lost the expectations and everything has been retro grade. they have to learn you can have one quarterback. you can't have the speaker calling one play and ted cruz calling another. they've lost everything after that. the brand is badly damaged. there is time to recover before the elections. they won the underlying fight but they lost the expectations game miserably. >> what do you think of that? i have to give tom credit for saying, that they won any kind of underlying fight. >> i think what is significant here is how disastrous this has

been. >> they're the party of fiscal responsibility. by making this all about obama care at the outset, by making the ideological temper tantrum that shut down the government for 16 days and almost brought us to default. the republican party courtesy of ted cruz has seriously damaged its look of responsibility. it is not going to go away. that stain will stick around for a long time. when ted cruz says washington is broken, in part that's because he helped break it. >> to john's point, whatever you think about spending. say you 100% agree with the tea party on all its points. i know you don't but let's say you do. they have to look in the mirror and say we just cost this country $24 billion. that's the s&p estimate and you have to pay all these people who wrnltd working for a paid vacation. that's what has happened. >> that's why they fit the definition of a fanatic.

it is someone who redoubles his efforts after he has forgotten his ames. and tom davis is right. he is a great congressman as a democrat, it is hard to say. that he is a terrific congressman. he would read the bills. he would do the math. paul ryan for the republicans asked for $968. the democrats compromised all the way to $988. they gave the republicans 92% of the cuts paul ryan asked for. instead of declaring victory and saying we want to cut speck, we've achieved it them went on to this tangent. i saw a study from the liberal center for american progress that said 900,000 joks have been cost by this shutdown mplg plus the 24 billion that standards and pours. that 900,000 sounds ridiculous. >> they're very smart people

over there. >> i have to say i think i'm going to call out that one. let me ask you. ted cruz calling it a victory, a profile in courage, now his home state's paper the houston chronicle which had endorsed him in the senate run is turning on him. his favorable surging. i'm not even talking about democrats. so ted cruz, is this the beginning of ted cruz or the end? >> when the houston chronicle, his home town paper says they made a mistake in endorsing him and said if only we had someone like kay bailey hutchinson. that is a serious sign of things to come. ted cruz is a demagogue. the reason you know this, he is smarter than he sounds. he says millions of rushed to their defense. he may have made millions through the super park but he has put that pack's interests. even in texas that is not a winning formula in the long run.

you reap what you sew. the republican party is reaping it but so will ted cruz. >> what about a no vote? when you hear him say he will vote no. you've been sitting in that seat. is that a smart vote? that's one of those votes that come back where people say you were willing to let the country default. >> 80% of the republicans in the house are from districts for romney got 55% or better. general elections are almost irrelevant to these people. and particularly the tea party. a no vote is the safe, safe vote. this is like a tarp vote. i voted for tarp. how many come back to hahn them in primaries? the same vote for many members is a no vote. >> when you say that, i think about, we were showing that picture. i was there that day watching that vote. and when that didn't pass, i

mean, the market almost fell 1,000 points. you can say it doesn't matter. you cast the vote that did what seemed to be the right thing for the country. you're saying that people who cast that vote paid the price of their jobs. that's pretty sad. it is a group that says we want this to pass but not with my vote. and you said i hope this passes but i can't vote for it. they're at their own political safety. as you look at the plates in american politics, these districts have become so polarized. they're either safely republican or safely democrat. senate not so much. you get a bigger vote in the senate. >> i have to say. i think with everything he is saying makes sense. he is being honest. it is a pathetic reality. that you have people casting votes hoping they don't get what they want because it smart for reelections. that is against everything americans would like to think is

happening. >> in that case it comes back to us. we need to hold these politicians to a higher standard. in 1998 then there were 160 swing districts in the house of representatives which didn't seem like very many. guess what. that has shrunk down to 90 now. and i'll bet you it is shrinking even more. that's one of the big reasons the republicans have gone so far to the right. that's all they have to worry about is some tea party fanatic. >> thank you both. it gives us something to think about. when you get mad, think about who you voted for and why you did it. as the senate prepares to vote, you can see we have that live picture. we are waiting for harry reid. we'll go live if it does. just a few moments ago on this

program, you heard one republican congressman who plans to vote no against the deal. now a congressman who will vote yes. the second highest ranking in the senate. thank you for being here. >> good to follow tom and paul. >> what's your reaction when you heard joe barton say, look. then you heard what tom just said. a lot of people still hope it will pass but they're going on cast that no vote any way. it is a message vote. the analysis they made in term of the districts they're representing, they think people are thinking no vote is a responsible vote. i think it is a very irresponsible vote. neither party wins in this scenario. the government ought to be open. it ought to be serving the people. that's what we're getting in this vote. and it is hard for me to believe that people who say they want to keep the government open and

they think the government ought to pay its bills, would vote against this. for political purposes. but i think there are apparently people who believe that is a good political vote for them. that is unfortune. that's what led to the shutdown and led to putting america's credit worthiness at risk and it has hurt us not only economically as you mentioned in terms of $24 billion of costs, people out of work. economic slowdown. but it has hurt our reputation around the world. very sad. we'll do the right thing only the and democrats will vote for it and i hope, i believe that a significant number of republican there's vote for it as well as speaker boehner indicated. there is no reason to vote no. >> senator lindsay graham wrote this. emto me we as republicans left a lot on the table would be one of the biggest understatements in

american political history. that's a pretty strong and clear tweet from lindsey graham. you want, how do you feel? >> i am very please that had we're going on open the government. the american people want their government working for them. i am very pleased that we are a credit worthy nation around the world. the speckation would be otherwise. it was unthinkable a few years ago. so i'm pleased at that. i'm going to be even more pleased if we come together in this conference that we've been asking for for six months will now occur and try to get this kroy a fiscally sustainable path and stop this government by crisis. it is bad for the country, bad for the american people and bad for the reputation of our country around the world. >> thank you very much, congressman. i appreciate it. and harry reid is now speaking live on the senate floor.

>> the bill will be returned to the calendar. is there an objection? without objection. so ordered. >> under the previous order, the senate will proceed to the consideration of hr 2775. the clerk will report. >> number 193 hr 2775. an act to condition the premiums and costs share and six disunder the affordable care act and so forth. >> under the previous order, amendment number 2704 is agreed. to under the previous order the clerk will report the motion. >> cloture motion. we here by move -- >> you can hear harry reid was getting toward set that bill up. they're getting ready for the votes. they're going through procedure step by step. i want to bring in dana bash. can you explain? my understanding is that, tell

me if i'm wrong, two votes to get this formally through the senate that we'll be watching in the next few minutes. >> that's exactly right. the first vote will be the telltale vote. it is a vote on the compromise. it actually, our understanding is that that first vote will need 60 votes to pass. it should be well north of 60 votes at the end of the day. that is first vote. it looks like the president pro temperature is getting ready to begin the vote. there it is. the vote has begun. this is technically a 15-minute vote. sometimes it goes a little longer because they wait for senators to straggle in. there will be two votes. the last one will be the final one that sends this to the house. the first will be the one that tells us what the threshold is

of what we expect to be approval by the senate. >> an important distinction. the first vote, the one that matters, it is the words and the language of the deal would need 60 votes. ones that passes, the actual deal itself needs a simple majority, right? >> what's your understanding of the timing in material of what has to happen then in terms of when that vote might go down? >> what has to happen is the house technically, the house rules committee, the committee that dictates the procedure on the house floor will meet and there was some talk about making the process expedited in the house. because members want to do this before midnight and they want to get home and they realize that it is all over basically almost all over. we'll see how fast it goes in the house. it could go relatively fast by congressional standards.

this whole countdown, is october 17th the date. is it midnight? it is so crucial. dana will be standing by as we watch this vote over the next few minutes coming through. the minute we get a sense of how it is going, we'll break in on that. obviously, all eyes are on the markets. when dana talks about why they're so eager to get this done in the senate and the house by midnight, it is because of the view, if this vote fails tonight, the entire world will feel it. the man at the center of all of this is not on the floor and be in the house of representatives. he works for the credit rating. standard and poompls that determines how much we pay an interest on the national debt, why you home, your credit card and beyond. his name is john chambers and he is "outfront" tonight. thank you for taking the time. let me start with that basic question. i've been talking to investors. you get differing views.

this dead line of midnight. over, my gosh, the world will change. cinderella will turn into a pumpkin. is that a real deadline? >> i don't think i would think of it that way. this vote is very important. once we get past this vote, there will be some cash on hand. and cash will be coming in. you don't want to get to the poiblt where you have to have a sudden unexpected contraction of either current spending in the order of a quarter of all government spending because that's what it would take to balance the books this quarter overnight. or to default on your debt. that would be extremely damaging to the world economy. >> that would be an event worse than leeman brothers. >> and to remind people, leeman brothers caused the markets to

fall nearly a thousand points when congress didn't pass that bill. as you know on the show, we have tracked your move. 802 days cynic you cut the top credit rating in large part do to what we're seeing on the screen. as you know, we've been keeping track. are you considering another downgrade? >> we have a stable outlook on the aa plus rating. we said back in june that we thought raising the debt ceiling would be acrimonious which it has been. this is in line with our thinking. we said that we would get a deal at the 11th hour. we're getting that deal now at the 11th hour. so this is baked into our aa plus rating. the reason we're at aa plus and not aaa, a couple reasons. the main reason is that the fact that you have to worry about the u.s. government paying its debt on time would indicate that the government is not worthy of a aa a rating. >> and one final question to you. the deal is simply going to

delay for a couple more months. it is pretty that a athletic knick and of itself that better than defaulting in the next few weeks but not good. is this something would you see as a positive? i would imagine not at all. >> we think it will be back here in january. debating the same issues. and that given the composition of congress, that it will be probably still acrimonious. and we'll have to see. we'll have to see where we are then. but this is, i fear, a permanent feature of our budgetary process. >> well, thank you very much. we appreciate your time. and when you hear john chambers say what he fears is a permanent feature, the translation is you won't get that top rating back until that changes. our next controls nearly 2 trillion worth of your money. up front, bill gross, founder and co-ceo of pimco. manager of the largest bond

fund. you're watching these votes. the first of the two crucial senate votes and then this will go to the house, we believe it will pass easily. but that is the more questionable vote. we're counting down again to a last-minute vote by congress a few hours before a deadline. i remember here, sitting here during that vote to bail out the bank when's they didn't pass it and the market fell 778 points in a few moments. what would a failure tonight mean? >> well, it would mean the same thing. i don't know how many hunlts of points it would take out of the s&p 500 or the dow but it would take a lot. it would represent dysfunctional government. since the united states is the world's reserve currency, since many of the transactions on a daily basis are based upon the sanctity, the markets not only stock markets but bond markets

would tank. i think though, and we all agree that there's almost certain passing of this continuing resolution and debt ceiling legislation, the important thing is that the world's view of the united states, the political process, the currency and ultimately the economy has been damaged by all of this. and much of the world looks at us, at americans like the new york times mentioned this morning, mexicans do as spoiled little rich kids. as we kick this can from october 17th to early next year, there will be a cost to us in the form of higher interest rates and lower stock prices than otherwise would be the case. you look at so many countries. they can't pay their debt. we can and choose not to. there is something deeply offensive about that. what would success mean? given that success in this case, in passing this bill, is simply

delaying a moment like this for another three months. >> it doesn't mean much. it means basically, the hanging will be delayed until early next year. it also means, i think, and it is hard to put an estimate on this. it means our interest rates will probably go up by five or ten basis points because of this delay if we pay, for instance, .1% more on our treasury debt, treasury bills and treasury bonds, than we would otherwise, basically that means the united states would pay $15 billion more per year in interest. this is an expensive proposition kicking this can down the road for another three months and then another three months. we need to wake up. >> i think that's pretty amazing the way you smant. people hear .1%. they think that's an big deal. there might be some people if they just heard you say that, see, bill gross made our point.

it doesn't matter. those are the same people who would care about the extra $15 billion. clearly wave problem in this country with our finances. with paying them. for whatever reason. the question i have for you, should we even have a debt ceiling? does it do anything good for this country or not? >> obviously in the past few years it hasn't done much good. it has resulted in lower credit ratings and higher costs in terms of interest. so ultimately, to abolish the debt ceiling, it it would be a good thing. i think republicans and democrats in congress, they need to wake up and in terms of what they budget, they need to pay for it. so the process begins with the budget and not with the debt ceiling as opposed to reverse order. >> we're here in prime time but people are watching around the world, watching this vote going

on on the other side of our screen. what would you say to all of those investors had a have put their hardest earned money. the most money they have from all the country's treasuries into the united states? is that still the place to go? >> it is to the extent that our economy can grow faster than the rest of world. that's a legitimate debate. in some emerging countries like china and elsewhere, they're growing faster than we can. to the sentence we can grow at 2%, 3%, it is a legitimate investment. to the stenl that we have a high debt to gdp ratio. we have a 100% debt relative to our gdp. $15 trillion worth of debt. that makes it less of an attractive investment going forward. >> we appreciate your team the time. the founder of the world's biggest bond fund and his views.

.1% more, cost and borrowing because of what you're seeing costs $15 billion to the people watching this show tonight in the united states in interest costs. that makes you realize how important a small number can be. we'll take a vote. this is ongoing. our chief congressional correspondent is right there talking to those senators as they're coming in and out. we'll take a break.

our breaking news coverage continues. you are looking at a live picture of the senate floor. that's where votes are being cast on two crucial votes in the senate. the deal would extend the debt ceiling for the united states and the government shutdown and create a budget conference that would supposedly deal with broader budget issues. the first of two crucial votes, as i said. and there are different margins of victory needed for both but they both must pass and has notally for this to go to the house of representatives. dana bash, our chief congressional correspondent has been standing by. you just heard bill gross, head of the largest bond fund in america, controlling the money you and i have socked away, our viewers have socked away. and he has not been a fear monger saying midnight may not be the real deadline but if this

does not pass, markets will tank. quote/unquote, i don't know how many points. >> it looks like in the senate that won't happen. while we were in commercial break they went through the votes as they have been cast so far and it sound like so far, a dozen republicans have voted no. it not complete but that is the case and doesn't go up that much, it means this will pass by 70 plus votes. which is obviously a very big bipartisan vote. particularly for this kind of divisive issue. this is the first vote. i was told by a couple senate paids the second vote is likely to mirror this vote. so this is one to look for to have a marker of where the senate will stand on this deal. now whether that will pressure any republicans in the house who may be on the fence about whether they will vote yes or no, unclear. frankly, house republicans at this point really don't care much about what the senate say

or feel on this issue. i think the way the house vote will go, again as we talk about earlier on the program is probably the most important political drama to look for. not substantive drama. we do expect this to pass the house because there will be enough democratic votes to to give majority that it needs in the house but political drama because john boehner is such a focus of this, the way he stood with conservatives and said he wouldn't let this by part zin vet to happen in the past. >> dana, you're talking about the 70 thousand votes, being a positive surprise. you knew it would pass. that's a significant margin. i believe you mentioned there were ten republicans that voted no -- >> more actually. >> what can you tell us who they are? i don't expect you to rattle them off. do you know who voted no in the

senate so far. >> the people, anybody following this debate and following the most vocal conservatives in the senate and house wouldn't be surprised at the names. senator ted cruz, mike lee, david vitter, others some of whom i'm looking at the list were elected with the help of tea party support in 2010 and other who have been here longer and count themselves as what they consider to be true fiscal conservatives. so nobody who is a real surprise. i think frankly, the surprising i'm seeing as i listen in my other ear to the votes being called out were to some of the people elected in the same 2010 tea party wave voting yes like senator scott, i just heard he voted yes. interesting. >> so you have seen some of them come over, under premise sure of whatever kind they want to go on

the record voting yes on this? >> exactly. you know, i think you're sort of eluding to an interesting point, which is the terminology around here is free vote, meaning if senators think that something is going to pass and they don't feel they want to take a tough political vote, they might, you know, vote the opposite of how they feel, just to have a safe vote politically, and you are seeing some senators who might have a potential primary, senator scott might have a challenge for taking the vote and voted yes anyway. >> that's interesting. we heard the argument, if you have a primary challenger and in the tea party, vote no. that's the conventional wisdom because otherwise you would lose. that's pretty incredible you are seeing people do this. i mean, do you think we'll see more of that? >> perhaps. the other thing i wanted to point out since we're talking specifics here, and i also want

to say that sometimes when the vote is over or before the vote is over, some senators, you know, switch their votes. so what i'm about to say might change by the time we see the final vote but john cornon is in a squeeze in texas because his junior senator is ted cruz but he is a member of the republican leadership, the establishment. he voted no. so that maybe shows you a good example of somebody whose got a push and a pull and a tug with their own constituent in the party. >> houston chronicle that endorsed ted cruz, everybody criticized him for how he handled this saying it doesn't make sense. as dana watches that vote, we'll go back to her. some of the votes could switch with senator scott and cornon, pay attention to that. i want to go to brianna, what's

the view from the white house? is the view they are getting 1 0 00% of this is what they want, a full victory untainted or not? >> if not 100%, erin, when they look at the substance of this legislation. th they basically feel like it's 99, 98% and think they didn't give anything. the president's posture was he wasn't going to give anything in funding the government and increasing the debt ceiling. they gave on income verification in obama care. so it's a little bit of an obama care give but here is the thing that i think they are pointing to that they feel like means they didn't really give much away, it was something negotiated against senate democrats and senate republicans and in a way they sidelined. they really did sideline the house gop even in the negotiation over that mini concession. it was sort of this message to not only the house gop but really tea party republicans,

we're not going to negotiate to any of your demands and the house gop which is kind of being pulled along by tea party republicans. so they are cutting them out. we got a statement of administration policy and let me tell you, you know, we've been talking so much in the last couple of weeks about veto threats. you would see the house passing a bill. we would get a statement of administration policies. they would normally say if the president is presented with the bill, he will veto it. this one says quite the opposite. this is about the senate bill currently underway on the floor now. he says this says administration strongly supports senate passage of this bill and ends by saying, erin, administration looks forward to looking with the congress on fiscal year 2014 for appropriations legislation for the full year. this is the statement we've been waiting for, they support a piece of legislation. looks to pass the senate and hopefully the house.

>> looks for both right now. as we wait for the final votes to come in, we'll take a brief -- there is the first finals you can see 83-16. 83 yeas. it's the first of two votes. the more important of the two votes as dana bash made clear because it's the one they agreed to language and then they will formally vote to pass that and send it to the house. the formal vote only needs 51 votes. obviously, they have the votes they are going to need, the 83, a barger margin that dana reported. she thought it would be 70 plus and suggesting that would be strong and indicate a lot of republicans have come over, but obviously, doing even better than that at this moment. we'll take a brief break. we'll be back. [ horn honks ]

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