tonight a cnn special. >> lord, we see a faint light at the end of a long, dark tunnel. >> they pulled it off. >> hopefully next time it won't be in the 11th hour. >> a 16-day staring contest ends. >> we fought the good fight. we just didn't win. >> house republicans blink. >> there are no winners here. >> but tea party remains unbowed. >> this is a terrible deal today. >> this is not over. >> and it's not over. >> we've got to get out of the habit of governing by crisis. >> we're live with republican congressman aaron shock and scott garrett, one who voted for the deal, one who voted against. on what happens now for the

party and the country. this is "shutdown showdown." good evening, everyone. welcome to this special hour of cnn "shutdown showdown." i'm jake tapper once again live from capitol hill. attention, furloughed federal workers, veterans, families who rely on wic to put food on the table and every american who yearns to see our government leaders working together to get things done. all of you have reason to breathe a little easier, at least for tonight, at least until january. literally with minutes to spare until we hit the debt ceiling the house and senate approved the deet to reopen the government and avert that potential economic crisis. >> on this vote, there are 81 yeas, 18 nays. the bill is reported as passed. >> there was nothing surprising about the landslide approval in the senate, seeing as how democrats hold the majority there and most senate republicans were more than ready to put this whole thing behind

them. the real test would be in the house, where there was plenty of resentment within the republican party stemming in some cases over how this impasse started and in other cases how it ended. before the house could weigh in on the bill, president obama made it clear that in his eyes the finish line had already been crossed. >> once this agreement arrives on my desk i will sign it immediately. we'll begin reopening our government immediately. and we can begin to let this cloud of uncertainty and unease from our businesses and from the american people. >> we've known for days some of the key points of the agreement, that it would fund the government through mid january an raise the debt ceiling through february 7th. what you probably have not heard much about are some of the sweeteners tossed in, including one that may have sounded particularly appeal to go the senate gop leader from kentucky, mitch mcconnell. it's being called the kentucky kickback. it will put more than $2 billion towards a locks and dam project along the ohio river in illinois and yes, in kentucky.

democratic aide insists mcconnell did not push for that money, but you can bet for many conservatives the provision has the stink of pork all over it. and the house 87 republicans voted to approve the shutdown deal, one of them is republican congressman aaron shock of illinois who joins us now. also with us of course my cnn co colleagues dana bash and gloria borger. thanks for being here. so congressman, here we are more than two weeks later, $24 billion according to analysts has been taken out of the economy or not fed into the economy because of all this. what did republicans in the house get for it? and was it worth it? >> well, i think what we got is a conference committee. and i think after the president said tonight that the government's going to reopen, that he's going to sign the bill, i hope the next step is he's going to negotiate. because as we know from last week, he said he's not going to negotiate with a gun to his head. so i and my democratic colleagues tonight voted to put the weapons away, figuratively

speaking. and i hope genuinely he will be a part of negotiating. obviously the house will appoint conferrees and the senate will appoint negotiators and we'll negotiate. but president really needs to lean, in i think, and be constructive about helping us come up with long-term solutions to our debt. the shutdown and the debt limit really were about long-term spending. that's what this fight has always been about. and i think the president needs to make good on his campaign pledge, which is he wants to cut the deficit in half under his term. >> you represent peoria, illinois. i'm sure another annoyed with journalists asking this question. but how has this played in peoria? >> my congressional district has some pretty deep heritage. it's abe lincoln's old seat, everett dirksen's old seat, bob michael and ray lahood's old seat. it's historically represented by republicans but pragmatic republicans. >> who work across the aisle. >> people expect us to work

across the aisle. >> your predecessor was in the clinton cabinet. >> and working with democrats across the aisle. i think the message here really needs to be, we have divided government. and no one is going to get everything that they want. what i've tried to convince my republican colleagues tonight is, look at the board. there's 150 democrats that voted with the speaker, with the majority leader. and we don't need 150 democrats. if we have 20 or 30 democrats, if we have 40 democrats we have a governing majority. and so the sooner we can reach that reality, i think, the sooner we can govern and negotiate sooner rather than have to wait after the government shutdown. >> i completely hear what you're saying. and excuse me for being cynical but i'm going to be just a little cynical. >> do it. that's why you're here. >> i've covered a lot of this. the super committee after the fiscal cliff. why should we be any more optimistic today than we were a

year ago when the super committee was formed and we were all going to get to a great budget negotiations and curb entitlements and all the rest? >> well, i think ultimately that's why the conference went to the extremes that it did with the government shutdown, with the eve of the brink of the default, is because there's a growing majority even among the sane caucus. >> what's the insane caucus? >> i'm not going to name names. but there's a small list of those guys. but look, there's a growing number of us that say look at end of the day we want to be able to say we've done something to bend the costs long term. i'm willing to talk to the president about everything he wants on his wish list. when our leadership went to the white house last week it wasn't hey you got to agree to 1 trillion in cuts or 2 trillion in cuts. we just said we want to talk. >> i thought this was about obama care. i'm confused. i thought this was about obama

care. >> not for him. >> you know what, i think when john boehner and eric cantor went down to the white house they didn't say we have to touch obama care. obama care health care is a large component of our spending problem. when you look at medicare and medicaid and now the new entitlement of obama care. but if you don't want to touch obama care, fine. but you're going to have to do something serious on social security, medicare and medicaid if you're going to bend the long-term costs of our federal government. the sequestration clearly is not the solution because it's not the right way to make cuts. >> okay. but let's just get real here. the squeaky wheel gets the grease, right? and so the squeaky wheel in this scenario is the -- are the conservatives in your caucus. your terms, not mine. just for the record here in the twitter verse. the same caucus is very quiet. the insane caucus as you would call them are not. and my understanding is that in even the private meetings, the

caucus meetings that you all have very regularly, they're the ones who get up and talk, they're the one whose make the noise. and you guys are a silent majority. so are you not going to be silent anymore? >> i think you're going to see more of us become much more vocal and not be taken for granted when it comes to always counting on our votes. you're right. there are probably 20 or 30 members who are very loud and squeaky, and quite frankly don't vote yes on much. and the sooner that we realize that if you're not going to be a part of being constructive then we really don't want you a part of the conversation. and take the flock of 200 plus, if you will, and work with those who are willing to work with us. and here's what i would say. there are some who would say oh, aaron you're not being a true conservative if you're willing to work with democrats. >> oh, aaron, you're not being a true conservative. >> but here's the reality. we got to work with democrats, anyway. news flash, democrats control the senate. news flash, democrats control the white house. news flash, republicans control the house. neither party is going to get

everything they want. so the sooner that both parties recognize that and recognize that the sooner we can work together we can advance the ball. not just on deficit reduction, on immigration reform, on infrastructure investment, all the things we need to do in this country we got to be willing to work together and accept we're not going to get everything we want. >> with those news flashes we thank you very much, congressman aaron shock. i appreciate it. >> the compromise bill to reopen the government is somewhere en route to president obama, hopefully making the turn from constitution avenue onto pennsylvania avenue soon. joining me now is cnn senior white house correspondent brianna keilar. brianna, you have new information on when the president will sign this bill and when the government will finally reopen. >> reporter: that's right, jake. according to the director of the office of management and budget, the president should be signing this tonight and employees should expect a return to work in the morning. you said the bill may be on its way. i actually note bill is not quite on its way here to the white house. i'm told by the speaker's office that he will be signing it here

during this hour. it's really kind of this i guess you could say somewhat tedious process where the bill has to be enrolled. there's a number of people who kind of have to check it to make sure it's accurate. you have to get the signature of the speaker which should be happening any moment now the speaker of the longest-serving senator patrick leahy. that should be happening soon. we do know, of course, president obama is a bit of a night owl. he frequently stays up until 1:00 a.m. we're told. so by the time the bill gets here he may not even have retired. the bit actually has to physically be transported here to the white house. you may have noticed there's a lot of capitol hill police officers, secret service, who have been working without pay. one officer joked to me that he is happy to go and physically get this bill and bring it to the white house. government workers, i think a lot of them really eager to get back to work. i've seen reports, though, that museums while they are set to open tomorrow, i've also seen a report that the zoo won't actually reopen until friday. so i think we'll know that the government is fully up and running maybe when that panda cam is back up. >> all right.

we'll be watching the panda cam. thank you, brianna. joining us now republican congressman peter king of new york. thanks for being here. a wild night on the house floor in more ways than one. >> yes. >> the house court sten og fer was abruptly haul hauled out of the chamber after charging the dais and screaming about this late night vote. "do not be deceived. god shall not be mocked. a house divided cannot stand". congressman king you were in the room when this happened. can you explain who this person was and what she was talk about? >> i don't know what she was talking about. i was there when i saw her start screaming. i thought it was somebody telling us we had a minute or two minutes to vote. that's how she got there. the sergeant at arms didn't try

to stop her. >> because she works there. >> she actually went up behind the podium where the president speaks from. they thought she was going to hand something to the speaker. then rerealized. all this happened in about ten seconds. but i was talking to people afterwards who work with her. said she's a perfectly normal, rational person. seemed to lose it tonight. >> obviously a famous historical quote. but still an odd moment. >> definitely. >> kind of sad because i'm sure you've heard this as well. i was talking to a lot of of people in the halls just after this happened, just off the house floor. who know her well and say that she's -- they were shocked by this. that she's a well-known person, a perfectly nice person, a good colleague, somebody who's respectable and dependable. and this is very surprising to everybody who works there. >> as far as they could tell, she was acting perfectly normal before and after. >> let's go back to the more substantive event of this evening. we just heard from your colleague congressman shock of illinois, i suppose he would be considered a moderate as you would be considered a moderate in the current political

spectrum we have in the house. >> i'm old enough to remember when you weren't moderate. but i do wonder, had he seemed to be suggested there would be more muscle flexing by so-called moderates, you would be asserting yourselves more against what he referred to or i guess he didn't call them the insane caucus but referred to yourselves as the sane caucus. by omission perhaps some of these individuals who were pushing the strategy in the last few weeks. is that true? can we expect to see moderate republicans try to ex ert more influence? >> i would hope they'd speak up more. i've been saying this for three weeks. i was trying to round up votes 16 days ago to get the same resolution we gotten to the. one thing i admire about the cruz republicans, they don't care what anybody this of them. they're willing to tear the house down if we have to. we have to be willing to say no and vote against rules or do whatever we have to do. just to let the leadership know that it's not just the cruz people they have to worry about. there's others who feel very

strongly. i think that will get us on an even keel. other-wise we'll let 20 or 30 cruz republicans to dominate the house. i don't expect everything to go my way. but i would say the majority of the house republicans were against shutting down the government. >> congressman, all of the little baby bills, mini bills they were trying to get through, piecemeal bills that the republican leadership were trying to get through and the democrats and senate just slapped it back, you were the only one to vote against the procedural part of it and actual lit substance of it. >> right. >> so you were trying to round up all these votes. if this is a silent majority, why were they so silent? what did they tell you behind the scenes? >> i don't consider myself a moderate. >> why are you the only consistent politician? >> a lot of moderates are really moderate, even in the way they conduct themselves. >> even if they're more moderate than you then, why did you have so much trouble forget them to fight the leadership.

>> in fairness, john boehner kept telling us things were going to work out. stick around with him awhile longer they have great regard for john boehner. they didn't want to undermine because they knew the 35 or 40 were trying to undermine john so they didn't want to add to that. more complicated than it seems. >> can i ask you a question? republican colleague paul ryan, who voted against it. and surprised a lot of people. what do you think that's about? >> well, paul should speak for himself. i would say it's because paul is going to be our main negotiator in the budget talks and he probably wanted to maintain credibility with the tea party. >> really? >> i'm just guessing. i was surprised he voted no. >> nice to a fellow republican presidential rival. >> there you go. i have a lot of of regard for paul and i'm glad he is our chief negotiator in there. >> were you surprised by that, though? >> yeah, i was. >> because he voted on the fiscal cliff.

he voted with john boehner on the fiscal cliff, so he didn't go over the fiscal cliff. so this is a bit of a -- >> he did write the op ed in the "wall street journal" that seemed to turn the tide there. but again, ask paul. paul's smart enough to speak for himself. >> so congressman, here we are 16 days later, $24 billion of the economy not there because of what happened with the government shutdown and other things in the last few weeks here. if you could go back in time and convince republicans to follow your lead, how would you have done this? what would you have done? obviously you're concerned about the debt and deficit as a lot of your colleagues are who are now talking about that as opposed to it about obama care. what would you have said? >> what john boehner and eric cantor said they wanted to do, which was to give a continuing resolution, clean resolution, fund the government through the second week of september and go

right to the debt ceiling and negotiate that for fourer of five weeks. that way the public would be on our scythe side. they wouldn't have had the specter of the fear of the government being shut down. that was a sideshow. we could have focused on the debt creeling with t debt ceiling with the american people with us. get cuts before we increase the debt ceiling. that would have been the best way to focus. the president would have had to come off the sidelines and negotiate. as critical as some republicans he was good for the democratic party, not good for the country by staying out of the debate so long. >> the president said he was not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling because this is the republican party threatening to wreak havoc on the economy, al gore saying nice worldwide economy you have here, be a shame if anything happeneded to it kind of thing. so i think the debt ceiling ace more serious issue than the government shutdown potentially. >> at this point, yeah. >> but you wouldn't have threatened to not raise the debt ceiling. you're just saying you would have been negotiating. >> as a negotiation. you vet out there ultimately the end fact there was going to be a deadline of october 17th but not

threaten to do it but have it out there as a negotiating point which has worked out pretty well in past years. >> not a threat just an opportunity. >> an implied threat. opportunity. not actually say you're going to shut it down. but it was there. it's worked in the past. worked in 2011. certainly worked with -- >> worked in 2011? the stock market went down almost 2,000. >> we got more cuts in the last two years since the korean war. two conservative yea two consecutive years of cuts. i go back to 1980s during the reagan years where they did have solid negotiations going into the debt ceiling. >> thank you so much, congressman. >> i want to ask you about democrats but we'll talk more. >> dana and gloria don't go anywhere. the compromise to fund the government made its way through congress. we'll talk to one house republican member who voted know no. and ask him if this wasn't about defunding obama care why did the government shut down. stay with us.

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welcome back to the special hour of cnn coverage "shutdown showdown." breaking this hour, they finally did it. they made a deal but not before 16 days of legislative wrangling while hundreds of thousands of federal employees were forced to say home. now that congress has passed a bill to reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling, the

po post more tums can begin this. was all about the president's health care law, right? here's what a congressman told me earlier on "the lead". >> what was this all for? >> it was for equal protection under the law. one of the things that got lost in this, jake, from the very beginning was that the narrative was that we were trying to get rid of obama care, completely defund it. >> so if this wasn't all about defunding obama care, in the immore sta immo immortal words of the beastie boys what's it all about? congressman you voted no on this bill. you said you couldn't vote yes because it doesn't take any serious measures to address the debt and deficit, is that right? >> that's right. as we sit here a bunch of young people not on camera. >> they're on camera. >> good for them. so ultimately the unfortunate

result of the vote tonight is that we are not doing anything to make our government sustainable fiscally, and that they and our kids and our grandkids are going to pay the price. we did not bend the curve whatsoever as far as spending and on a unsustainable debt. we are $17 trillion in debt and another $2 trillion on top of that because of the affordable health care act. we are on the path of going to 250% of gdp. this is not sustainable. >> i take your point. >> okay. but that wasn't what i heard when people were talking about shutting down the government. >> sure it was. >> no. they were talk about defunding obama care not because of the deficit. because they think that obama care is bad, it's an intrusion into the rights of people. you heard your colleague earlier about equal rights whether or not the individual mandate should be delayed just as the employer mandate was.

>> sure the. so part of the affordable care act we are adding $2 trillion to our budget deficit. that's unsustainable. so we are making the case that something needed to be done with regard to that and all the entitlements and all of our sending. what mick was simply saying is what the law is right now, he was making illusion to is unfair. president obama is sitting in the white house saying that every american should be subjected to the obama care and he's not. and his wife is not. and his kids are not. >> so here's the thing. you want to win back the white house, obviously. >> that would be good. >> then you'd have a president. >> can you help douse that? >> then you presume you have a president who would agree with you on these things. if you look at the polling -- the republicans have tanked in the polls. >> what did the polling say? the polling said they did not want a shutdown and neither did we. the polling said majority of americans right now do not want obama care. that's what the polling says. we were on the right side. >> the republicans went down, the popularity of the affordable

care act went up. the popularity of government went up. so it seems to me that you step on your own message in a big way. >> part of the difficulty of course is getting the message out. i think you asked a great question to senator harry reid when we were doing the aspect of getting the message out that we wanted to keep the government open. we sent out over several dozen bills. you were the only one to ask the question why are they not passing that bill or any bills. in 16 days of got shutdown the senate never moved any bill to keep the government open. >> i know you are very good at numbers and understand basic math. the math is that over there you guys run that place. it's the house. but you don't run the senate and you don't run the white house. so you knew from the get go that this was going to be a very tough battle. and it could lead to another

government shut brodown. was it worth it? >> the end result was not where we wanted to get to. but as good as i am in math, i'm even as good in knowing what the american people want, according to the poll, and also what our constitution says. and we were elected by our constituents that we're to say that the house of representatives where spending bills originate, contrary to what the president was saying during these 16 days, this is where it begins and we have a voice, too. that voice was not always articulated very well and that voice didn't always get out through the media when the media didn't ask the questions. no followup question by the way to your question. no question ever to the senate as to if you really care about the veterans why didn't you move their bill? if you really care about the parks why didn't you move bills? if you care about all these other spendings why didn't you move any of the bills? you didn't ask that question, you didn't ask that question. no one asked that question. it would be really neat instead of the press always asking us why are the republicans shutting us down which i heard 1,000 times i never heard that

question. can you explain to me why that question wasn't asked? do you know why the press never asked the senate president why the other bills weren't moved? you did a great job in asking that one. >> i was going to say i think we try very hard to be balanced here. >> great. but why -- >> asking the democrats why they were potentially at certain points a part of this. but at the end of the day, this was a very deliberate strategy by a small part of the republican caucus. >> no. how many republicans voted on all those bills in almost 230 republicans. >> you know full well that wasn't because that they supported that. peter king was against it. >> i'm shocked. all the moderates voted for it. >> because they wanted to support your speaker. [ overlapping speakers ] >> i'm not saying it's right or defending it. >> house speaker john boehner said that the republicans were not going to attach defunding obama care to the government

spending bill because if they did it would lead to a government shutdown. then between march and a few weeks ago, the strategy changed. everybody knew that strategy of trying to defund the president's health care initiative, the president's health care law, would lead to a government shutdown. yet you pursued the strategy anyway. you can blame the media all you want. but the fact are what the facts are. john boehner said that. not me. >> right. so you make a good point that being consistent in strategy is good. now, the president was consistent in his strategy. he said from day one, i will not negotiate with the house. i will never sit down and talk to them. i will not engage in negotiation. >> over the debt ceiling or the government shutdown. >> or the c.r. so isn't that the problem? he would not engage in any discussion with us the and so at the end of the day, the house ca pit lated because he would never engage in negotiations. >> isn't that like knocking hum

humpity dump dumpity off the wall? you had this strategy and people were up in arms about what was happening in government, the veterans weren't getting funded, et cetera, et cetera. so you knocked humpty dumpty off the wall he broke no a million pieces. you said let's refund that. why should they help you if they feel you caused it? >> so in other words if they realize that the veterans are hurting, if they realize that the public is hurting with the the parks, if they realize to your question that kids aren't being treated for cancer. >> they would say open the government. >> they would say we have an opportunity to fix the problems if we work with you. but what did they say? no, we're not going to work with you. >> pass a clean bill. >> they simply said it's their way or the highway. they were not willing. i was astounded, i must admit, when i think it was eric cantor came up with the idea, the mini bills. i was really shocked that we would put up a veterans bill to

fund the veterans and the democrats wouldn't support them. i said how can any member of congress of our republican or democrat go back to their district and say i voted against funding helping the democrats -- helping the veterans? but they did. for purely partisan ideological reasons, they would not vote for a bill to do that. and once again i go back to it, and the press never once asked them why not. >> you can see i asked chris van holland why they didn't support it on our show about a week ago. appreciate you congressman garrett from the garden state of new jersey. have fun back in the garden state. coming up after a 16-day political meltdown how damaged are the parties now both democrat and republican and which leaders are going to manage to limp away to fight another day? stay with us.

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welcome back to "shutdown showdown." no one really got what they wanted today but we still avoided a national disaster, right? both sides are stepping back to assess the damage. on the one hand, democrats held firm on their refusal to alter obama care. but now they're stuck with all its problems. republicans from speaker john boehner on down are already claiming they did all they could to defund it. >> we've been locked in a fight over here trying to bring government down to size, trying to do our best to stop obama care. we fought the good fight. we just didn't win. >> what does it mean for both parties tonight and down the line? let's bring in one of the hosts on the left from cnn's crossfire "van jones" and republican strategist kevin maddon and gloria and dana also join us. does anyone leave it mess with

their reputation or their position in this town enhanced at all? >> i don't think there are any winners here. i think washington as an entity, particularly in the minds of voters was a loser here. you already had folks in congress and even president very low approval ratings only got lower. this was like tying a brick to a cinder block. it all went down. one brick went down slower than the cinder block. >> van? >> i see it slightly differently. i think the president his strategy was vindicated 100%. he said he was not going to negotiate with the crazy wing of the republican party. he did not. and as a result, i think he created more space for the moderates in the republican party to step forward and to save the day. i think his strategy was vindicated. and i think that as you move forward now, what you're going to see is more strength from the moderates in both parties to be able to actually govern here. i think the president had to break the fever and he did. >> just real quick to disagree with that. the president's brand and the president's promise to the american public when he ran for offers was that he's going to be able to bring washington together. washington has never been a more

partisan, poisonous atmosphere. the lack of trust right now is so high. and it really has hurt people's ability to get things done right now. >> that's just in the republican party. [ laughter ] >> sorry. >> but i mean, i think you're seeing trust not only between the leaders up on capitol hill but even trust of the institution of congress with the white house. it's at a very very low level right now. we have very big challenges. woe need that trust to be at a very high level in order to get things done. i think that's a problem. >> i got to know you when you were working for john boehner. you know him well. i won't put you on the spot and have you do the impression. >> you do a good john boehner? >> i do dead on. but i need a cigarette. >> but no seriously, how much of this has been about boehner the man and his decisions he's made along the way over these three weeks? take us inside the boehner brand. >> the one thing you have to remember about john boehner is first of all he has a great deal of respect for the institution.

secondly he's a team player. h he tries to bring everybody together. that's something i think has been an important goal for him of the these last few weeks. if he did not pursues the course he did, he didn't want it, he would have had a much more fractured conference right now. i think his stock has actually risen within the gop. the question is now does he have enough political capital and is he willing to spend it to stare down this 30 or 40 inside the tea party. >> what's your answer? >> i don't know yet. i don't think anybody knows yet. >> van, president obama obviously a lot of democrats really rallied to him, democrats in the house and senate stuck with him. basically one coherent message as opposed to the republicans. i wonder now if you think he feels emboldened. there are a lot of house republicans who were not happy when president obama came out this evening, gave remarks before the house had even voted. they thought it could possibly jeopardize what seemed shaky, shall we say. where is president obama now?

>> i think people are going to be surprised. they may be asleep. >> at least napping. >> but i think people will be -- president obama wants to do this grand bargain. he's been trying to do it for a long time. the democrats now lining up with him to gloria's point, many of us are going to be fighting him very quickly saying don't give away so much on social security and medicare. >> you are? >> of course we are. but let me tell you why we should with him. you say he came here to be a uniter and it's become a divisive town. it is painful for democrats. because we remember when he came here and the day he was being inaugurated, republican leaders met and said we're going to oppose him on everything. not just the bad things but everything. we remember when you had -- let me finish. when you had "you lie" screamed at him from the floor of the congress. we remember when in the stimulus bill he gave a third of the stimulus away in tax cuts trying to get republicans and didn't

get one vote. we remember when in his health care bill he told us no and went with romney care, a republican bill, and got no republican support. we remember all the president did. >> we went down to the williamsburg retreat in virginia. only about three weeks in his term and he attacked republicans who disagreed with him substantively on the stimulus bill. >> here's where the division k07 comes from and where the healing has to half. it's become the common thing in this town to say president obama did not deliver on the unity message. but people do not take responsibility for the fact that from the very beginning there was a republican strategy, a strategy to oppose him on everything in the middle of two wars and the great depression and that's wrong. >> here's the thing. i think we're so used to going throughout the highs and the lows in washington. the question i have is, why can't people just go to work every day an get things done? that's what most of us do. >> that's what this president tried to do for five years. this time he finally said no to

the bullying and he won and we're glad about it. >> the president's not without blame here. you know a lot of democrats who say, we don't get to talk to him, much less republicans who say they don't get to talk to him. >> he has either strained or no relationships with even many democrats on capitol hill. >> even keel. just have relationships with people, just work with people. it doesn't have to be either all or nothing. either it's the charm offensive and he takes everyone out to dinner in a period of two weeks or it's nothing. >> i'll tell you where democrats are going to be in trouble. we have had a situation where we have won because of the republican overreach over and over again. that becomes a dangerous thing for to us get too used to. >> all right. hold that thought. we're not going anywhere. stay with us, everybody here. coming up if you're a furloughed government employee set your alarm. tomorrow is officially a work day. how much work can we get done on capitol hill after this long brutal battle? stay with us.

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welcome back to "shutdown showdown" did you notice the lower corner of your screen? there's no more shutdown or debt ceiling clock. congress has come to the rescue. hooray. washington is moving on. and a new senator willing moving in soon as of tonight newark's democratic mayor corey booker is now the senator elect from new jersey. he seems to have a to do list in his pocket already. >> i've got some thoughts about how we can move forward in the remainder of the year, stay focused on the job at hand. because there's a lot of work ahead of us, including our need

to earn back the trust of the american people that's been lost over the last few weeks. >> let's get our panel's thoughts now about d.c.'s to do list. how do congress and the president pull themselves out of the muck and specifically van jones, kevin madden, dana bash and gloria borger, we were talking during the break about this deficit of trust in this town and how can we move on. president obama and harry reid were already talking about starting immigration reform. how is that even possible? >> right. i just thought one of the most telling moments was we talked about a little bit before which is that the president decided to company out before the house voted. and we were hearing from house republican leadership aides like come on, are you kidding me? you're going to really do this beforehand? they were worried that was going to mess up the vote. now, to be fair, when the president came out he was very conciliatory. >> totally gracious. >> but let me just make my point. my point is that, he was gracious. but even people are not hearing each other. they're not listening to each

other. it's the republicans think that he has a political tin ear because of the timing when he comes up, which you can argue that point. >> people saying he's awol. >> when he did come out he was conciliatory. so if that's the position where we're in where they're really not even hearing each other anymore and there is such a trust deficit, how are we going to get things done? tough things like immigration? >> it's an extremely great challenge. there are a number of republicans up on capitol hill who will not vote for anything that they know this president will sign. for the simple fact that they saw everything else that he's promoted and sign need law has been such a disaster. the stimulus. health care. >> they were against the stimulus. >> that is true. they really do. the other thing is, during when the president decided to delay the employer mandate on the health care bill, that sent a chilling message to so many republicans, which is even when he signs a bill, agrees to a bill, he actually decides what parts of it he wants to enforce. so on an issue like immigration reform, that caused a lot of

people to say i'm not agreeing to anything that this president wants. because he may decide that i'm not even going to enforce the enforcement provisions of it. >> okay. but let's put all the concerns about enforcement aside. [ overlapping speakers ] >> wouldn't you argue as a republican that it is in the republicans' self-interest if they want to get somebody in the white house to do something on immigration reform? >> oh, it is. there's no doubt. and i think as a political strategy there's a very real possibility that the president and his party may be laying bait on an issue like this that would be divisive for us. >> i want to talk about that. first of all no matter what this president does republicans are going to criticize it. when he's not visible they say he's awol. when he steps forward they say he's chest thumping. >> he's never been consistent. >> here's where democrats have to be very careful. i think they're feeling very good tonight. we live in different worlds. we look at different facts. democrats look at the times that obama has reached out and it has not worked out well for him. we hold that dearly.

you look at the times he hasn't. we look at things differently. here's where we are. democrats right now feel very good. we feel like we stood up to the bullies. even if you have legitimate concerns, a neighborhood association somebody shows up and said you don't listen to me i'm going to burn down the neighborhood you can't listen to their concerns until you deal with the behavior. we keep winning because of overreach from our opponents. we almost lost the senate and then somebody starts praising rape and then suddenly we get the senate back. >> they did not exactly praise rape. just for the record. that was a stupid remark by a republican senate candidate. >> i'm saying republicans will tend to overreach. then we benefit from that and think we're winning. this is not winning. look at what happened just now. follow me now. had the republicans not overreached and shut down the government we would have been

hung out to dry on obama care because of all the glitches and all the problems. we were saved from that because of republican overreach. we almost lost the senate because republicans made mistakes. [ overlapping speakers ] >> watch what will happen on immigration. to your point i'm agreeing with you. >> we've never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. we took the issue that we all agree where we disagreed with president obama, obama care, and we found a way to have it turn us in battle on us. >> and democrats. >> in a way we have never been united. >> unbelievably. unanimous vote. >> the republican party's always flourished when it's been a party of two things, ideas and reform. our reform right now is what we disagree with on obama care. but we haven't done enough to talk about what we're for on health care. what we're for as far as more patient-centered care. then we have to get back to a generating ideas on what the the party believes in rather than defining ourselves by what we're against. >> we only have 30 seconds. van what's your concern about

immigration reform? democrats are just going to give a bill that has no appeal to republicans at all? >> no. what i'm saying is the republicans are going to shoot themselves in the face, arm, neck and leg over immigration an we're going to say look what a great party we are but we won't have solved the problem. we cannot continue to fail solving problems and benefitting because republicans are worse than we are. >> stay with us. there's one big battle behind us but make no mistake about is, the war rages on. what happens with the next round of budget talks with the talk of bipartisanship seemingly on life support. stay with us. americans take care of business.

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showdown" live from capitol hill. it took two parties coming together in the senate to get a deal. the question now was too much damage done leading up to that magic moment to avoid another hyperpartisan showdown in two weeks? hour political panel is back with me for some final thoughts. van? >> i actually think that the moderates in the republican party have been strengthened. i think that's good for the country. i think obama will be able to negotiate probably better with the moderates in the republican party than some of the progressives in his own party. that's going to be a very interesting dynamic. >> i think you can celebrate tonight. all we did was punt this for another few weeks. >> the government shutdown we know is over now but government is only funded through january and the debt ceiling is only raised to february. >> that's right. >> so we could very well be back here with winter coats doing the same show. >> not a lot of attitudes are going to simmer down. i think feelings are still pretty raw.

>> to that point i want to be an optimist but i'm going to quote what lindsey graham said. i said look there's a light at the end of the tuning. he said no that's a train coming toward you. >> we could only call this time season finale of "shutdown showdown" but we cannot call it the end of the series. >> not the series finale. >> end of season one. >> end of season one i think. anyway it's been a lot of fun. >> cliff hanger. how is it going to end? >> i don't think they'll do a government shutdown again but tough negotiations. >> a lot of the folks in house leadership will tell you that. they thought they would touch the stove early on when they first shut down, now they really think they have touched the stove. >> my panel, thank you very much. we're still awaiting the bill to make its way from to the white house from the capitol. hopefully hit the president's resolute desk where he will sign it what will now be early thursday morning. piers morgan will continue to bring