theebate will continue online at cnn/crossfire as well as facebook and twitter. proudly from the left, i'm van jones. >> proudly from the right, i'm s.e. cupp. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront," a bloody battle shut down the government. wait, the deal is full of pork? plus the onset of terror. never before seen video of the horrific shooting in the mall. and wrongly accused? >> there is a lot on the line. >> incredibly scary. let's go "outfront." >> good evening, everyone. markets celebrate while ted cruz

quadruples down. the s&p 500 hit a new high thanks to the deal with the debt ceiling but this fight isn't over. all the country got last night was another short term deal and an aide to senator ted cruz has just told cnn and dana bash that they have not ruled out another shutdown in another couple months. that came after president obama took to the lectern to slam, remind congress of what they did. >> let's be clear. there are no winners here. these last few weeks have inflicted completely unnecessary damage on our economy. to all my friends in congress, understand that how business is done in this town has to change. and there is no good reason why we cannot govern responsibly. despite our differences. without lurching from manufactured crisis to

manufactured crisis, we come from different parties but we are americans first. that's why disagreement cannot mean dysfunction. >> dana bash is on capitol hill. so what is the cruz camp telling you? >> reporter: that the senator is not ruling out a strategy going forward that doesn't mean that government would shut down. he has no regrets. but he is in a very, very small minority of republicans here on capitol hill. most do have regrets. in fact, the senate republican leader told the hill newspaper today that he is not going on let the government shutdown again. all of that is happening as budget negotiators sat down, first thing this morning to make sure it doesn't happen again. >> these bipartisan images and coiliatory words may not be much but they're a start. >> we had a good conversation over breakfast. he? we want to look for common grounds. >> after a 16-day government shutdown, it is understandable if you're skeptical.

the chances for a long term agreement. these are the first official budget negotiations in four years. only forced to start as part of the deal to reopen the government. still, service house republicans tell cnn, there is reason for optimism. ted cruz may not have regrets over a losing strategy to defun obama care but others do. >> this was the right cause to be fighting for but probably not the smart fight to pick. and i think we learn some lessons. >> house speaker john boehner never thought it was a smart fight but he stuck with it any way. gop forces are near unanimous them say boehner earned new trust among conservatives and new power to negotiate in the future. >> i think they are going to be more willing to listen. he was proven correct and quite frankly, without rubbing anybody's face in it, a lot of other voices were proven to be wrong. >> tom colt is not one of those tea party-backed voices. he calls him a pragmatic republican.

>> the same caucus. >> whatever you call them. they do make up the majority of house republicans and shock admits, they have to speak up more. >> i think you will see more of us become much more vocal and not be taken for granted when it comes to downing on our votes. >> but they say the president has to be ready to give and worries his stance over raising the debt ceiling may have taught him to keep digging in and he should be. >> bill clinton was able to engage with republicans when he was president. if this democrat president can engage with republicans in the house, i think there's a chance for some progress. >> cnn capitol hill. our second story "outfront." where's the pork? you know every law that comes out of washington is filled with all kinds of goodies that offend most people with any sensible. wouldn't congress have some decency? no. tom foreman is in washington.

as always, congress could not help itself. the thrive-page bill to open the government and they put pork in it. some of the people who put pork in rid the very people who rant and rage against spending. >> after all that wrangling, all the words to shut down the threat of a default. all that going on. this was the result. a slim document that supposedly met the democratic demand for a clean continuing resolution. meaning legislation to just keep everything running on current budgets. there are several surprises slipped into the fine principle which add up to billions in what many consider pork. first of all, there is a dam payment in kentucky. $2.2 billion additional to go to the dam and lock project. that's more than triple what it was slated for and supporters say it is worth it because otherwise the project would have to be canceled and the money would be wasted. less controversial but also involving water is a section

named colorado to help rebuild roads, bridges and other things torn apart by the floods there recently. a few more items. agencies that fight wildfires can count on an additional $636 million. the passion deal with mines will keep an additional $1 million in fees. a watch dog group will get over $3 million and the widow of late senator frank lautenberg will get a death benefit equal to a year of his salary. this is customary. but spending this money, this taxpayer money at this time is raising eyebrows. especially among watch dogs because his personal wealth was almost $60 million. >> that's amazing. a lot of people in congress gave up salaries, and some of them did. but was there compensation addressed? >> it was in a sense. there's one question in this which basically says that next year, they will get no cost of

living increase. but i do want to point out. this probably is not going to hurt them a whole lot because they're getting around $174,000 a year. or roughly, four times as much as an average american. and we should remind he shall they haven't worked a single five-day week. the health care legislation has not gone exactly as planned. even the president has admitted. this but health and human services second sebelius is at the middle of this and some are saying she should be fired. >> she's become the face of the obama care rollout in all its technical problems and there is increasing pressure on kathleen sebelius to step down. she is the chief target of republicans including pat

roberts who is a long time friend of her family. >> she's had three and a half years to launch obama care. and she has failed. >> roberts is joined by republican congressman john fleming of louisiana. a long time family practice doctor, fleming says he'll soon send a letter to president obama asking him to accept sebelius' resignation. fleming. he has gotten other house nobody signett. i present the white house defense of the health care sign-up website when i spoke to him. >> it is getting better. the problems are being strael line more and more each day. that's what they're saying. >> brian, that law was passed almost four years ago. they've had plenty of time to either roll this thing out properly, beta test it, make sure it works, or delay the impleme implementation. they did neither. >> the aide said she was traveling and not available to go on camera. they didn't respond specifically to the calls for her to resign but did refer to us comments from the white house earlier this week. >> the secretary does have the full confidence of the president. >> but president obama's form he

press secretary said this. quote, i hope they fire some people that were in charge. and there are two house committees investigating the website launch. >> they will make sure that obama care is the story of the day most of the days of the weak for months and months to come. >> sebelius said this on a tour promoting obama care this week. >> i'll be the first to tell that you the website launch was rockier than we would have liked. >> and potential customers are still shopping. a company that analyzes web traffic says after the first week online, out of all those who attempted to sign up through federal exchange, just 1% ended up enrolling in obama care. administration officials say that's not accurate but they're still not giving any specific numbers on enrollments. we have to emphasize that company's data is unofficial and it is just a snap shot. it doesn't include state run exchanges.

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never before seen video on the attack in the mall in kenya. new footage obtained by cnn is extremely graphic and not suitable for children. least 67 people were killed. dozens more injured when a group of armed men attack the west gate maul in nairobi. you know that headline and the only way to understand the horror has been from witness accounts. until tonight. our report he is "outfront" with this special report. >> reporter: shoppers at westgate mall. this is the scene moments before theal shabab attack. suddenly men, women and children begin to run for their lives. this man on the floor thought he had found safety. wounded, he gathers the strength to try and call for help. another gunman returns. without mercy. the security cameras spotted two other attackers making their way

to the top parking lot. walking toward the children's cooking competition held there. just beyond the camera's view they open fire. this edited silent video shows what happened during the attack in nairobi on september 21st. as the attackers go through the mall, you see people desperate, trying to run and crawl to safety as bullets streak by. a body on the floor gets barely a glance and another bullet. this is only a fraction of the surveillance video recorded during this day. most of it too horrifying to broadcast. in the supermarket, the hostage round-up has begun. a mother and her two children push an injured child in a shopping cart. a teenage girl follows. her hands in the air. she is bloody. a gunman points the way.

kenyan authorities say they closely watched the security cameras as the attack was happening. the hostage takers are spotted on the phone. authorities believe they are receiving instructions from outside the mall. one of them even appears to long for surveillance cameras. only four attackers are seen in the video. there are long periods of time where they appear almost relaxed. at one point, the attackers take turns for prayers. elsewhere, in a restaurant, a man with a gun in hand in what appears to be a main clothes officer try to protect the staff and customers towering behind the counter. and this was just the first day. of what would become a four-day nightmare for kenya cnn, nairobi. >> just so our viewers know, the

mother you saw there pushing the cart with children that are with her were released by the terrorists. i wanted to make sure you knew that when you saw the children in the shot. the common app, i'm not talking about the iphone app because college application that goes back to 1975. it is an application high school students can use to apply one application that you can send to 500 colleges in the united states. you don't have to write all kinds of different essays. now it is the heat of application time. there were software glitches, like obama care. the common app broke. that is not all that is broken in america's colleges. i recently gotting a note from my alma matter if you subtract grants, only 31% of students graduate with stunt loans which is great news except it is not a solution. a solution might be for the top school to offer an education people can afford to pay for. celebrating that they are

filling the gap doesn't add up because it can distort the cost education. i.e., increase it. that brings me to the number, $64,954. the cost of one year at harvard. apparently that is not the full cost. the college president told me tuition is only two-thirds of the real of the real cost. one year, tuition, that is a deal. the school is spending $90,000 on your child. his points? even the wealthiest kids are getting a huge break. if almost no one can afford the top schools in the united states, it is not okay. 60,000 is not a real. and if 90,000 is the real cost, that's not a deal. it doesn't make any send for parents, the kids or the country. let's fix the common app and then decide to fix the higher education system. still to come, a developing story. a massive manhunt underway. two convicted murderers released from prison by accident. we have that story. plus huge moves at two of

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convict murder order wrongly accused? for ten years, ryan ferguson has been in a maximum security prison for a crime he says he did not commit. a lot of people say that.

but in this case, the court may gran him a new trial and set him free because of the two key witnesses admitted they lied when they testified against him. david mattingley is out front. >> reporter: ryan ferguson has been locked up for ten years for a murder he said he couldn't have committed. as he sits down to talk to me behind bars in a missouri prison, he can't hide his optimism. >> optimism, hope, a little anxiety. >> there is a lot on the line for you. >> my whole life. he is days or maybe hours from possibly a new trial and possibly freedom. he was convicted in 2005 of killing columbia tribune editor, thanks to the testimony of two men who have since admitted that they lied. >> they hide and you're till in prison. >> i wish i could explain it.

you cannot use logic. the moment you use lodgic is the moment you drive yourself yea's ever crazy. >> the biggest problem is the credibility of accused him in the first place. charles was describe as a troubled young man who support sars was manipulated into confessing something he only imagined. >> i don't know. i can be completely making assumptions. >> he was also convicted. >> he had no memory of anything happening. his entire recollection was based off police reports that he made a lot of mistakes, even with those. >> today there's a free ryan ferguson website. a facebook page and a change.org petition sign by more than 235,000 calling for a new trial. the work of ferguson's supportive family. >> that was a witness there that i discovered about two years ago. >> his father spend years trying

to find new evidence. he drove across country in a especially wrapped car calling attention to his son's case envelop do you get the feeling all this work is about to pay off for you? >> do i. >> what does that mean to you? >> it means after ten years, it is just, a relief to know we're so close to gaining ryan's freedom. >> what have you missed the most? i miss my family. most definitely. >> this could still go either way. >> absolutely. >> do you allow yourself to think about being free again? >> i think impossible not to think about it. i have plans, dreams, goals. >> what if you lose? >> yeah. i always try to remain pragmatic, you could say, and look at, prepare for the worst-case scenario and hope for the best. >> he believes this appeal is his best chance to regain his freedom. if he is denied, he will spend the next 30 years in prison.

cnn, jefferson city, missouri. still to come, the most talked about politician in america. ted cruz delve help or crush the gop? you'll hear what rush limbaugh said today. plus a massive manhunt underway. two convicted murderers on the loose. they were released from prison by accident. and a crash thanning from outer space. we'll show you the 1,200 pound object that crashed on earth. ♪

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ted cruz, hero orville an. pushed to tie the shoub to obama care is not backing town. as you heard, a cruz aide says he won't rule out another shutdown and there could be another shutdown as soon as january. republicans on capitol hill are fed up. but in his hole state of texas interesting reviews are much different. we went out to find out what they think. he is either a gallant fighter or a disruptive political scoundrel. it depends on your point of view. >> i think he is an idiot who is not on the side of the voters and not for texas. >> i like his stance.

he doesn't care what anybody thinks and everything knows where he is coming from. that's refreshing. >> cruz is the most talked about politician in texas. when the dust settles, how will the shutdown and debt ceiling stand-off affect his popularity in his home state? >> people don't know what to do with ted cruz. especially those that have been around politics for a long time. >> cruz' style and confrontational tactics in the government shutdown fight have alienated some. the houston chronicle newspaper endorsed ted cruz for senator last year. in a new editorial, the newspaper says he is part of the problem in washington. the senator who has been in office less than a year is unfazed. >> that was a remarkable victory to see the house engage in a profile in courage. >> i respect him. he is my junior senator but i agree with you. this is not a profile in courage. >> he is controversial. he is brash.

even though cruz' reputation might be scarred on a national level, veteran political strategists like mark mckinnon says it only seems to help him with texas voters. >> ted cruz has a lot of support among hard core tea partiers in texas. and there's a lot of them in texas. he is likely to be senator for a long time. >> ted cruz was elected senator by courting right wing tea party voters, being the most conservative candidate on the ballot. and the formula worked. now consider this. every texas republican in congress voted against the budget deal to reopen the federal government. just like ted cruz. for many texas republican voters, ted cruz in your face style make him popular. >> he has awakened the people of whether they agree with him or disagree with him, it is conversation that needs to be had. >> other republican voters like ron are seething angry at cruz. >> he has done real damage to

the country, the economy, our standing internationally and the republican party. >> and an old texas politician used to say, there is nothing in the middle of the road but yellow stripes and dead article dillos. ted cruz doesn't play in the middle of the road. out from front, michael grimm from new york voted yes to stop the shutdown. also, the congressman from florida voted no. >> you think ted cruz comes out looking like a winner. >> i think he is standing with his beliefs. any time get where you stand for something like that, and engage the american people, i think everybody wins on that. >> everybody wins. all right. rush limbaugh weighed in. let me play that as well. here is mr. limbaugh.

>> we learned that one guy standing up can stop the status quo in its tracks. can you imagine in this last fight if we would have had five or ten ted cruzes? if we had five or ten ted cruzes, we'd win a lot of debates. if we had 45 ted ted cruzes in the senate, we'd come close to winning every vote. >> you have to love rush. he went from one to 45. 45 cruzes. a good idea? what do you think? >> i would have to say no. that's not a great idea. >> and so you know, you just heard the congressman say he's standing with his convictions. everybody wins. what's your response? >> unfortunately the principles and the convictions may be correct but you have to have some respect for the fact, this

is a big party. and it is a party that i think there is a lot of reagan conservatives, which is what i consider myself, that are known for standing for our true values. also being practicing mat sxig reasonable and to come to a solution. i think it is bad policy. i agree with my colleagues. but i think shutting down government is bad policy. and not, the full faith and credit, damaging the full faith and credit of the united states is very dangerous policy. so the truth of the matter is, during this, we crowded out the true message which is the launch of obama care was a disaster. we didn't hear as much about that because we heard about the shutdown. and all the federal employees, all those who work for contracts, none of them were working. i would say there were no winners. i think the house looks bad. the president for not leading. all look bad. that's not good for america. >> what's your response? what about what ted cruz, his staffer just said to dana bash

at the top of the show, that he not ruling out the government again? how is that everyone winning? >> well, nobody wanted the government to shut down. we border each, other our offices are next to each other. when you get the american people engaged, we got send up there. i got sent up from a very conservative district that says, we have got to, they wanted us to defund the affordable care act. so we put that in. we negotiated four different times. we had four different packages to renegotiate with the senate. the last one was a cr. and a call to go to the goerks tables. we put a one-year delay for the individual mandate. the same delay that president obama gave to over 1,600 special interest groups. he gave it to big business, to the unions. we were trying to do the fair thing. so ted cruz is standing on a

platform saying, this is something we have to address. it is not going away. we're at $17 trillion. if we don't address it today, when will he we address it in. >> all that may be true. the my way or the highway sort of attitude seems to be what the problem is. if ted cruz will do that, you won't get anywhere. you don't get anywhere with that attitude. >> i agree with you that my way or the highway, that's exactly what we saw coming out of the senate. we went from a full defund down to a one-year delay for the individual mandate. and the senate and harry reid and president obama said absolutely not. no negotiation. we were trying to get him to the table. we had the funding in there to keep the government open. so i agree with you. my way or the highway doesn't work. the president and harry reid proved that. >> what are you going to do about ted cruz? he's going to be here again in three months. are you going to stand up this

time and say, hey, buddy, shut it? or no. >> my message, and i'm very fortunate to have a veterinarian, my colleague next to me. i have a little dog. if anything goes wrong, i want to stay on his good side. it took a super majority for obama care. i agree with my colleagues that we should try to defund or repeal. we do that by winning the presidency and winning the senate. that's how we defun obama care. so until then, we can nibble around the edges but we should be focused on the growing debt. that's a crisis that could really destroy our country. >> all right. thank you very much. appreciate both of you taking the time. in our seventh story, the two convict killers released from prison by mistake. a massive manhunt underway for charles walker and joseph jenkins. both were serving life sentences and they were accidentally released from prison.

the question is how could this have happened? john czarrella went to find out. >> reporter: roscoe pugh iii was only 9 years old when he saw his father gun down during a home invasion robbery. >> our lives would be totally different. i've said that since i was 9 years old. i said my life would have been different if i wouldn't have saw it. >> reporter: now 15 years later, roscoe is reliving the nightmare. on cement 27th, this man, joseph jenkins, serve life for the murder of roscoe's dad was mistakenly released from a prison in franklin county in the florida panhandle. for roscoe's mom, it is impossible to comprehend. >> it seems like my whole world came down on me. i thought i would not have to see them ever again in life. they had life sentence plus 100 years. >> reporter: the story doesn't stop there. a week and a half after jenkins was released, another convicted murderer, charles walker, was accidentally set free from the same prison. how is it possible?

forged document single to the prison, ordered the releases. and on both of them, the fake signature of orange county judge belvin perry. >> to be filed with this court. >> reporter: because high profile court, he says he sees how it is possible no one would question it. and he is not entirely surprised. >> people, particularly people with criminal minds, come up with ingenious ways to beat the system. they have nothing but time on their hands. to think of thing. >> the florida department of law enforcement was only notified of the mistake a couple days ago. corrections officials say they followed department policy and procedures. >> those inmates were released based on those court orders that we received. the orders were later determined to be fraudulent. >> reporter: it is a

too family frightened. >> it is frightening, terrifying. >> reporter: so how did authorities actually find out in well, the family of one of the victims called the date is attorney's office and said how come this guy is out of prison? the state attorney's office then calls the department of corrections and the florida department of law enforcement to inform them. how did the family find out? it is not uncommon for families of victims of crimes to be notified when the perpetrator is released from prison. and the reason we're here at the orange county sheriff's office, aaron, is because the authorities believe at least one of the men may be in this area. >> wow! thank you very much. obviously the huge question as to how this could happen and will they be found. still to come, the latest on a story we've been following all week. a 14-year-old girl.

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we're back with the oirlt circle. we go to russia where divers successfully pulled a 1,200 pound, five foot wide part of a meteorite out of a lake. it is part of the meteor that flashed across the russian sky eight months ago. i asked phil blake how they found it. >> they punched a huge hole in the surface of the lake after tearing through sky over siberia back in february. so scientists have to wait for the ice to melt before they could launch a full scale search underwater. this is what they found. it is the biggest piece recovered so far. it was dragged from the lake in a carefully planned operation, broadcast live on russian television. they tried to weigh it but it broke the scales. then the fragment broke into three smaller pieces. together they weigh more than 1200 pounds. that's only a fraction of what it is believed it was when it first hit the atmosphere. creating a series of sonic boom.

shattering glass and injuring more than 1,500 people across the region. >> thank you very much. the shocker still remains. we had absolutely no warning of that coming. our eighth story, fresh eyes on the missouri rape case. the county prosecutor has asked to point a special prosecutor to look at allegations that a popular high school football player raped a 14-year-old girl last year. this happened after saw an interview this week no program. george howell is "outfront." >> reporter: it is a to havic most people here don't like talking about publicly. but nearly everyone has a strong opinion about it. the alleged sexual assault of two girls, ages 13 and 14 at the time, by a senior football player and one of his friends. the case closed not more than two years ago until now. a special prosecutor will be pointed as early as next week to review the facts and determine whether to refile charges. jeffrey price, who grew up in maryville, missouri, says it is

about time. >> i think it is a great thing. i think that matt barnett got off scott-free because of his family. >> reporter: matt barn he was accused by daisy of raping her and leaving her to die outside her house. coleman and her mother accused the prosecutor of dropping felony charges because he is from a prominent political family. kyle ponder says the allegations from both sides have divided the town. >> half the town is for the girl and the other half is for the boys. >> it come down to one key question. why was the case closed in the first place? prosecutor robert rice tells cnn, neither daisy for her mother wanted to testify. >> the witnesses never told me, or came up and contacted me to tell me they had changed their mind after the moment that they invoked their fifth amendment right in a deposition under oath. >> they say they didn't do that.

>> i understand what they say. we've got a deposition under oath. the reason we did the deposition unoath is because i felt this could be an issue later on and i wanted to document the file. >> rice said it wasn't until he heard the interview that he decided to have a special prosecutor step in. he is not speaking publicly but his china said it was a sexual encounter but claim it was could be sense you'll. barnett's grandfather rejects any claims that his grandson was given special treatment. >> i knew because as long as i've been in politics and law enforcement, i knew that if this thing drug on very long, i would be pulled into it somewhere or other just for political reasons. so i made a point not to talk to any of them directly or indirectly and i stuck to that. >> reporter: here's what we

expect to happen next. we understand that glen dietrich has been asked to appoint the special rrpz. on exactly when that will happen. >> thank you george howell reporting from marryville tonight. i want to bring in daisy coleman and her mother malinda. they have been with us on out front the past nights and i'm glad to have both of you back again. daisy and malinda, the prosecutor made this announcement after you talked about the fact you wanted to testify. you wanted answer answer. what's your reaction to that, that this case is reopened? >> i am very grateful it has been reopened, that it is being reviewed again, and i'm very grateful to all of my supporters for helping that happen. >> and malinda, how do you feel? >> oh, i think it's really good, too. i'm really happy they will listen to it objectively.

>> and let me ask you malinda, have you or your attorney been in touch with the prosecutors' office since the announcement and how do you plan to move forward? as you heard george howell reporting, there is still questions on the timing? >> yes, absolutely and i have those recordings that show that -- when they asked us to plate the fifth, that was well after all the felony charges were dropped. the felony charges were dropped march 13th. they didn't approach us about pleading the fifth until the misdemeanor charge, the one misdemeanor charge that was left, and that was the end of may, first of june. >> right, so let me -- >> so that is confused. >> that is -- and i know that really is the heart of this -- of this agreement that you have with the prosecutor on what happened, and obviously, he was asked why he dropped those felony charges and said the corporation wasn't there. you know, when it came to working with you and daisy when

he was pressed on this about whether he took the fifth before or after those felony charges were dropped. here is exactly what he said. i wanted to play it for you. >> when i asked them are you invoking the fifth amendment, you understand that the entire case will be dismissed, they said they understood, that they were giving the statement voluntarily, that no one was threatening them or forcing them to plead the fifth, when they otherwise wouldn't. >> malinda, what do you say to him what you hear that? obviously that directly contradicts what you're saying. >> yes, well, fortunately, some things like this had happened so i started carrying a digital recorder in my pocket all the time, and i actually record that conversation. so that conversation happened the end of may, and it was on for the misdemeanor, and they did come to us and say that since it was going to be pretty much like a traffic ticket, that maybe we shouldn't put the girls

through it, and, you know, at that point daisy had just been in the hospital again. she had been suicidal. so initially, it seemed like a good plan at the end of may. after i thought about it, i decided i didn't want to do it, so i went back the next day and did talk to them about it and we actually did do the deposition even for the misdemeanor. so that's just simply not true. we had done everything up to the point, we had the rape kit done. we went to the doctors, had the physical done. we had the blood-alcohol level done. >> everything. >> and gave testimonies. >> and daisy, you know, your mom is talking about -- how horrible this was for you and, you know, i know it's hard to talk about this but the suicide feelings that you had, that you attempted. when people say why did this take so long for you to come forward now, that this happened in january of last year, is that why? i mean, i wanted to give you a

chance to explain why. >> it's not that we're just not coming forward. it's just that we're now getting noticed by the whole country and by the whole world, in fact. we never gave up fighting. we always continued to fight. >> all right. and you're going to keep -- >> that's true. we collected all the evidence. >> all right. well i know you're going to keep -- >> but this is the first time someone listened. >> and we'll keep covering this story and i appreciate you both taking the time. good to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you. "out front" next, we'll be talking about a big idea. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work.

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