biggest takeaway for me up being incredibly personal and incredibly selfish. i have some, as ross had said, some of my closest friends in my life. that way i will know for the rest of my life. so it's not always. life imitating art. sometimes art imitates life and i'm okay that great. thank you, mike. well, i we're going to wrap up we've got a full day and. i just want to i want to say one thing and i know i've discussed this with in a different context with my friend graham. everyone on this stage you will meet today. we all get to take the vows. but everyone on this stage and everyone you meet today is very cognizant. the fact we're taking the battles for what did so. thank you very much. we'll see you. we'll see for the nextis the cos

been legacies in this next session, a company of heroes, the legacy of this company. we'll explore the memory of the band of brothers formed the book and the mini series, including the bonds the veterans formed with the actors who portrayed them as many of you now recognize know family members of easy company veterans also carry on the spirit of camaraderie education about their loved ones and their legacies. so today we have a amazing opportunity here. cast members and veteran family members share deep and personal insights into the men of easy company. so once again, we're going to go

to the well, as we say, and we'll turn to our veteran and talented moderator mark sadowski, a platoon and work with that continue mission. thank you, doctor is doctor bell said this is about the legacy easy company and of course all of this this whole this whole weekend is it the legacy of of easy company we do have the children and of of some of the members of easy as well as the actors that portrayed their father. we also have on stage jody berg, who some of you may have met yesterday, who was one of the producers, was of the we stand alone together, which is the documentary that we made as a companion and i will say that jody, maybe more than any of us, got to know more of the men in a in a in a deeper way because she interviewed them over probably a year and a half, maybe over.

thank you. twice that long. three years. so she knows them very well. so i'm going to we're going to talk we're to have her tell you some of insights and some of the men. i think we'll start off by everybody just in. please introduce yourself. let's start with the son or daughter and then the actor and yet go ahead. just just yourself who your father was all right, then the actor. now, are we own my dad? i'm jean ornery. i'm the son of wild dog ornery. and i never knew him as wild bill and two little thing happened. and john use i played while bill. i'm tricia several and i'm the daughter of babe friend my name is robin lange and i played babysat from good afternoon good

afternoon my name is tipper my dad was ed tipper and the rumor is tipper actually gave wild bill the nickname bill. that's not true true, right, jody? oh, i'm jody burk, one of the producers of we alone together, the documentary. my name is chris langlois from baton rouge. go tigers. yeah, my grandfather's doc roe, shane taylor. doug roe. know me. you go first. my name is george. loves my dad was george louis. george, you're already your judge. let's. that's correct. that's great. you know, you're right there. thanks for that. i'm judge george senior. that's how it works. it's obvious to me to and i don't have any other name. rick gomez is name so so as you

can tell, there's no camaraderie between the actors and the families. well, let's start with that. and i'm frank. i am going to i'm going to throw it to you guys, talk about we've talked we've touched on it a little bit morning and yesterday, but talk about there is a unique bond that was established. i know particularly, with you and bill, but tell us how that how it started and walk us through the process a little, please. i i had i'll say it quick. i may have said it in one of the other panels, but i got his number the night before the final audition. i called him. i said, yowza. he answered the phone and just hearing his voice on the phone was so shocking that this was this man in this book that i had been studying, had come to life. and he said, i said, mr. garner, i'm auditioning to play you tomorrow. well, they already got the guy. and he told me that. and then i said, well, if i get it, i'd like to take you to dinner.

i got it. i called him back and that began this this calling him three or four times a week, talking for five, 6 hours. he emptied everything that he had to give me. he knew that it was it was going to be out in the world. and if it was going to be out in the world, it should be done right. and the real motivation was, just trying to get it right for all the other men. he wanted to talk about everyone else is involvement. and it started this incredibly intimate friendship with him because he was telling me things he hadn't told me. i mean, jean had he's told you things he hasn't told me. and so i knew i was carrying his. that's sacrosanct to me. it had to be done the right way and to get it right. i just had to know him better. and then eventually we talked for months and months. then i think. episode four or five, when we were doing that they flew out and babe and bill came to, came to set and it was lennon

mccartney showing liverpool everything stopped. we were talking about in another panel, all those sets being built and everything, every hammer went down and they just they just gathered around and we had this incredible moment, your dad, because we only introduced each other as our character. and again, this isn't a war. woodstock names. one of these names had such meaning to each one of them. these were their friends who they loved and i introduced richard speight monk. and i said, babe, this is monk. and he looked at him and he said, --, kid, i was there when you got it. and it was at that moment that we realized we were ghosts. a lot of us were ghost to them, that these were not just names, they were people they loved and had lost. and had lived without for so many years. it really put importance into

the uniform you were wearing and what you were representing, you know, and i've seen similar things like we've seen with grace, with grace nixon, with ron. so that really set the tone. but bill, just fearless in sharing. i'm glad you brought up grace nixon and ron livingston. i got to know grace nixon very well. she was a neighbor back in california and i know that ron livingston cultivated a very important relationship. he we used to take her to baseball games when ron would come to dodger games and, you could see the grace this unexpected thing happened with band of brothers and her husband becoming famous and being played by this. this wonderful actor and i don't want to say she adopted him like a second son. that's too dramatic. but they became very close. and the kind of relationship that you just you it couldn't have happened in any other way.

and they obviously got so much out of each other. i know ron's ron's father or i'm sorry, was on the death march to bhutan. so he had he had a special anybody, the war from world war two or world war two veteran had a special appeal to him. so that helped in bond. so even it's more than just the people you meet here this weekend. it happened company wide gene frank said that he told dad frank said that bill told your him stuff that he didn't tell. why do you think that was? i was his son. he didn't tell me anything. when i went to vietnam he said, good luck, kid. and when i come home, he said, how you doing? mean that was the he didn't they didn't talk to you at all. and i'll tell you real quick tell you i got a few funny stories about them and if you talk about bill and babe, you have to leave out profanities. and i'm going to do the best i can to do that.

and anyway, the when when my father had a attack and he went into the hospital, the doctor asked him, they said, day is my brother. i said, when did he lose his lake? and you know what my brother's response was? episode seven that's a true story. the story was severed. i mean, not only my was screwing with my brother, then you talk we talk that i was here, right? ivan takes my father and babe to cleveland to go on a morning show. now, he tells my wife was there. he tells the this is life. that doesn't mean anything to your dad or my father. so they go on the morning show and there's two guys. i don't think so. a band of, brothers. i don't know. it seemed like i the shroud of it and the guys talking and

babies talking and we were going down the road and it was all kind of crouched there. and this that dad and you're talking instead of one guy after he gets done with babe, now this is life and he says that my father was it cold in bastogne. my father was called in in a well digger's ace security. you know i mean, this is the you invited these two people anywhere? my father got invited everywhere and everywhere he went, he went to smoke. and a lot of times it was no smoking. so he said, all right, i'm leaving. and in a way where you could smoke if you really wanted. but anyway, i'll pass you on this. i got a few more stories, but i'll. i'll pass it on to somebody else. thank. we definitely to hear more of those stories. can i just say one thing? yeah, but gene is a member 101st in vietnam. yeah. so we have another screaming eagle, right? right here.

no, thank you, jim. thank you. i'm back. robin, tell us about playing by babe from. well, first of all i mean frank said he spoke to bill before his final audition. i was cast late and i'd watched the vcrs. you remember those? the and audio cassettes. i had a flavor of them and i. i need to, you know, i should. they said you can you can call him. he's happy for you to call him. so. okay. oh, that would be really useful. so i call him and it rings out. i think i'll try the next day and i call him and it rings out and eventually i say, is somebody i can't can get in touch with babe and the phone bell. so i phoned bell. i have a great conversation with

bell because as soon as he answered the phone, he just starts, you know, the conversation begins and eventually they say, oh, by the way, i is babe, is he out of town? and he says, no, no, this is just, you know, you're not going to catch him. and he leaves the hall, the house at 730 in the morning, and he doesn't come home tonight. so you're going to have to you're going have to stay up late or get up early. you know. and so eventually i stayed out, i think bell listen, you're going to have to speak to this kid and yeah i finally spoke to him. it was like 1:00 in the morning in the uk and he'd just go and and like, as frank said, he was open and he said, anything you to know, kid, just ask, you know. and he was really really open and honest because he knew yeah, he knew it was happening and if he wanted it to be right, not

just about him, but about all the men if you want the stories to be right, he knew he have to divulge things that were and it was a great privilege to be to be able to have those conversations with them. tricia did, your dad feel about all this. he wasn't a one. he wasn't a man to hide his emotions. i know the first thing, the first conversation we had was when he fell and that robin was going to play him in band of brothers. and he called me and. he's like, kid, you're not going to believe it. they got a scotsman. a scotsman. how's the scotsman going to do philly. boy? here we are. how did he feel about the project? i had a lot of conversations

with your dad about the project and some, and i. he was of mixed emotions. but how did he feel that? tell us about that. i think he my dad was very sensitive person, although i know it's some of you may not believe that, but if you really got to know him, he was very sensitive and and he fluctuated because he would he's like it's an important story needs to be told both on a personal it was very, very difficult for them to open up and discuss it. and he had to really push himself sometimes. i had some long conversations with him it and and he agreed to, you know he would do it. but i think old family, he was really, really happy that he did it. and why do you think he eventually agreed again? i know he was conflicted because younger people started stopping

him on the street and they had seen band of brothers and he i think at i think once it started he really sensed that it was going to have an impact maybe not the impact that we ended up with. but he and that's when my uncle bill and my started going to schools they started elementary schools and high schools and talking to the kids. and my dad's message, his most important message was, the holocaust. he was at landsberg. he wanted that message to be to be shared because when someone would say the holocaust didn't happen, i mean, this tiny little man would jump out of his and was ready, you know, as he would say, go fist city. so it was an important story to

be told and treasury did get in a fight with his about 85 right in the bar true story. yeah yeah. well let's talk about the relationship between bill and babe because they met later in the war, babe was a replacement. and yet how did they found out that they were from the same neighborhood and became brothers? i mean became almost literal brothers from that point on. you two, you two, please tell us about the lifelong friendship between bill and barb. oh, my gosh. well, first of all, babe, didn't your wife. that's a great relationship. we got one driver who was my father, who had one leg and babe for babe who drive and had two legs. so your father got him a job. remember? remember my father got a job. that place closed down my. and we were both out of work, but then to i mean if you want to talk lenny and squiggy, bert

and ernie, whatever you wanted, they were they were together. i went with places with them. they slept in the same room. we went to when we went to paris and went to paris we went there and we stayed at whatever hotel was a big hotel in new york. we had two bedrooms and me and my brother had one. lenny and squiggy had the other one. right. your father says at the desk, we don't need another room. all stay in the same room. waymon so me and my brother go in the room. him and my father sleeping the bed. my brother get this thing out. we pulled the box, spring out and it had a tag. 1925. the bid was me we had to sleep on, but that's the way they were. they didn't take anything. they gave. they didn't anything. and ivan was right to find our bill. whatever they had, they would give you. they never made any money to a very poor businessman. i could take it right out front, but they were giving my father would help anybody. and my father and baby they really never badmouthed anybody. if they didn't like it, they just didn't talk to you, right, trish? yes.

my dad didn't like you. he wouldn't. he you were just, you know, he would just ignore you, not put a hit on you like he would he was never mean about it. he would never, you know. but yeah, they didn't. they have no time for you if you, you know what they felt a, you know, a good person. thank you. well, and we're going to come back to the squeeze and lenny can weigh in a bit, tell us about it. tipper. i mean, how do you sum up 95 years of an extra ordinary life? my father, my father's war was was very short, actually. it was six days, very intense his the scene that takes him out was portrayed in episode three. karen and what is kind of remarkable while i think about my father and it ties into some of the things we've talked about today is he came back as he was in army hospitals for about a

year before he was discharged. and the only reason he got to go to college was because of the gi bill. his parents were irish immigrants and that transformed his life. he from there went on to be a teacher and taught school for 30 years in jefferson county, colorado, which is where for the most part i grew up and i went with him. i was little and mind you, he was 61 when i was born. so everyone thought he was my grandfather. and my you know, his life was extraordinary. my is from costa rica. she's this beautiful 35 year old whom he somehow persuaded to marry in nine months. and ten months later, i came along, um, this is probably no surprise what my mom was about for months pregnant before she realized that it wasn't indigestion that she had. i was a complete shock, and i remember in high school, my high school counselor describing a moment where my dad was talking

to her about me graduating high school then he couldn't believe it. because you remember the day that i was born and he was holding me looking me thinking like, how long am i going to be around? how much of her life? will i be there for? and i'll just sort of close at a high level though, the war was transformative for him. he was most proud of his 30 years of teaching because. like i said, everywhere we went, people would say, mr. tepper, the bank teller, you know, someone, the lawn. mr. tepper, i remember you did this. he was invited every year to the class reunions. and he really transforms, transform people's lives. i was with him when he died five years ago, and we knew it was about 24 hours before he died. and we knew that that's what we were headed towards. and i called one of my friends and i said, you know, i don't know what to do. i've never been around someone that's died.

let alone my father or someone i'm close to. and she said, don't tell him how much you love him. that's just going to make him upset he already knows that. just validate his. so we sort of talked a little bit about his accomplishments and we talked mostly about his 30 years of teaching and the lives that he touched and transformed talked about his service. of course and without skipping a b, he said to me yeah, i do have a pretty good cv, don't i? and that was one of the last things my dad said to me and i remember the night that he died talking about going back to when you all filmed, it was the wettest, you know, in england in 75 years. the night my father died. it's slighted in colorado, though, which really never happens and it was a dark sky and. i just remember walking outside thinking that the weather matched the mood for me.

but when i thought about it afterwards, i thought it's incredible that my father almost died overseas, know face down in the mud and some of these like horrific conditions and and instead, 70 years later, after this life, he transformed other lives. he was surrounded by the people that loved him most. and he got to go out sort of with that validation that made me think of so many of the ones that didn't come home and some of the family members that didn't get the experience of knowing their father was of seeing their fathers transform, them, the world in the way that someone like my dad did, even even. even though he was justly proud of the 30 years after the war. did he talk to you about that?

did he tell you about his experience? well, like i said, he was 61 when i was born. so so for me, i'm by far the youngest child am younger than not to rub it in. but some of the grandchildren grandchildren though. so my experience was was different. right, because i was, i think, 11 when the book written and it premiered here in new orleans when jody came and you guys did all the interviews, i think i was 16. i remember because it was like i could drive to the hotel in denver and i was so thrilled by the way my dad was in charge of the alcohol aisle for that that reunion. so whoever said it took them 20 years to get over the hanger hanging over, my father would have been proud of. but i just i it's one of those things you grow up not really realizing how special that is. i was the little kid at all these reunion kids, you know,

gene, everyone was kind of living their own life, right? but i was course tagging along with mom and dad. and i remember, you know, dancing on the dance floor with garnier and he's throwing a stump up on his crutch. and, like, i didn't think anything of that, but that was sort of strange. and then, you know, speaking of wads, dollar bills that says, see that green bottle and see that that clear bottle with a yellow label, put about three. you know, half and half and come back over. and then i'd go up to the hotel room and i'd say, mom, look how much money, you know, $80 in tips from bartender at like six years old. gin and tonics. it's amazing. i don't have a problem. actually, but so the stories i heard had to be kind of calculated to a level that i could understand. i going to the 50th anniversary of d-day, i would have been

around 11 years old. and that was the first time that i understood that there was something really different right and it was going to and it was something that you capture in the documentary. it was going to the cemetery and i was just with my dad. my mother came later on that trip, but it was just me and him. as you can imagine. we were very close. we were at the in normandy, which is such a tension, because it's stunning. it is a beautiful place and it's just cross after cross of star of david. and it's perfectly aligned and crosses. as far as you can see. i will never forget it. and i looked at a grave marker and. i realized that that soldier that had died really wasn't that much older than me. he probably lied about his age and i turned to my dad and we were visiting his best friend, robert blauser, who died on d-day.

we were visiting his grave and it was the first time my dad had been back. and i just turned to him and i said, you were so lucky, you know, stupid, not really thinking about the consequence of that. and that was the first time i saw him cry. and when he just lost it and i thought the gravity of what this moment is for him and what they have carried. so that was the first time that i really understood and like so many of the others, he about other people. but i always had this hunger to know more about like what did my dad do, you know, tell me about him and like les is the funniest i ever met and you know, the dynamic between babe and garnier and what was so incredible for me personally going to the premiere was you all brought them to life. like we knew who they were the family members before they were identified, their mannerisms, the way they talked, what they said. and now that they're all gone

like you have preserved that not just for me, but for everyone here, for my daughter, who never to meet my dad and so the things that my dad couldn't share with me, he could share with jody and he could share with garnier and with lipton and winters. and i still reaped the benefit. like max says, the renaissance, the resonance. i get to see that and i'll able to share that with my daughter. great. thank you so much. you. so, george, tell us about your and how did how did he talk to you about the war? i mean, that seems it seems to be pretty common that the most dads didn't talk about it. how about your deb? because obviously he was very outgoing. what was his what was his attitude? oh, yeah. he certainly shared stories with me. i wish i would have been able to

capture many of them, but the essence of the stories there were funny stories. there were god awful stories, guys getting killed and things like that. so and i think i'm not sure exactly why, because my brother was older than i was. but like we talked yesterday, you know, my mom and dad brought us to reunions as kids and we got a chance to visit with them and we got a chance to visit with tipper in babe and bill and gordon and johnny moore and don mularkey and don't know, he maybe just included me in that, but he wouldn't just share stories. people that he knew in town unless they asked him. but it was it was funny many years after my few years after my dad passed away, i saw my old history teacher in right out of college. he was working at some defense

contractor and he said, guys, you know, your dad told me all these crazy stories about world war two. and it wasn't until as series came out, it's like, i just thought this guy was crazy. but actually the stories that he did tell, this guy were true. so he did share the stories like some other guys did. and it was a lot of dark moments. these guys saw. and i think what they were able do and i think we touched on it yesterday was the reunions were a vital part of it? and getting together every year. and i know how important it was and. so i was born in 1956, july 24th. remember that date? nobody's going to send you a car, jordan. okay, that's okay. i get more than i can handle. so july 24th, 1956, i have a

from the 1956 reunion, which was in los angeles, and it was in august. just now i wasn't there. my and father left me behind with josephine and uncle jimmy, and i guess they figured it wasn't that important. i was four weeks old, you know, and you know, all i needed was a bottle and an occasional change. so. but i was really blessed with hearing the meeting. the men, you know babe and bill and ed tipper, you know, those were you know, when my dad passed, when he was killed, i reached out to all the men and they feel the huge void that was left behind. with my dad's passing your dad and the cool things you talk about your dad in the the things

that they did the schools and i went to tipper's services and i got a chance to meet all those people who say, hey, mr. tipper this and mr. tipper that. and it was really super. and the relationship i had with with babe was just the amazing. and on sundays i would call babe on sunday nights and he would, he would when we got close to 730 and i never knew the significance the 730 but he said so is there anything could do for you which means you would done get off the phone. yeah because tricia was calling at 730 and he didn't have that call waiting dialing thing there but and then the relationship with with bill, you know, bill was just a super guy. my my mom always used to bill as gruff and he might have been appeared to be gruff on the exterior but he was certainly not gruff. i was interior. and we were able we all were able to see that what was.

thanks for that. so what was it like when? you first saw rick portraying dad? well, it was really cool, you know, because rick had called my mom and don't think my mom was much help. well, no, she was. well, she's just know she was. she told me about she was actually really honest as she as she got to be later, you know, for sure. yeah. but she was like, look, you know, people laughed at him a lot. and i think she was kind of like weird therapy session for her when my memory of it is very clear that she was like, look, there are parts of this man that i know, like nobody else knows. and she was kind of okay with letting me know some of those pieces and she goes, but nobody i've never seen anyone who loves some, but he's loved by everyone. i know him as a husband. and so it's this really kind of really beautiful, interesting place to to to meet george there

and then have bill and babe and frank were connie and lipton all fill the gaps of that about their experience with him. but the first wrote in was your mom. yeah, yeah. mom was a riot and. so yeah, she didn't pull any punches. no, she didn't pull any punches. that's a great to put it. my wife, susan, will certainly attest to that. so she never like you. well, that brings up an interesting. because you're not only seeing rick play your dad but you're seeing frank and and mike and and chris seeing them play men who you knew in a certain way at at a certain age, for sure, you're getting a view of them. what they were probably like younger. what was that like? well, you know, it was amazing because had going to the set and i think it was august that year and my wife and i went joe hobbs that kind of took care of us.

he just said, george, if you come over on your own, steam will take care here. so we did. we flew over there, checked into a hotel, and then monday, tuesday, wednesday, we went to the set and was really cool for me because these guys were playing guys that i knew that i grew up around all of the guys that survived in world war two that were in the series, i knew every one of those guys at different levels. so it was really cool for me that day to go to the set. i don't know if it was cool enough for you guys. what? it was really cool for me to meet these guys and i knew all the guys they playing, whether it was bill or bear or johnny man or walter gordon or buck compton and on and on and on. so yeah, it was really special for me and you know, to meet ivan there and all the wonderful folks at hbo that took care of us and it's been a glorious ride. yeah. you know, i just want to say one thing to this. it this feels like the most selfish thing to say.

and i and i really, because this project has been so such and it's been such an honor. it's been such an honor. but if i could ask for one last thing, and this is the selfish part i would have loved for his dad to see this show. that's the one thing. oh, i think that's a common cause of it. but yeah, that that's. that you certainly brought him to life and that's the really cool thing is bring in bring in guys in world war two to life so people so we all can understand and look at and appreciate the sacrifices that they made frank had said when babe and bill came to the set, it was lennon and mccartney and liverpool. but what was it like when when you would when you met george, in other words, when you would

when you met? and how did the other guys feel about when you're your son of your guy, you didn't get meet george, but now you're meeting his son. what's that like? it's some, you know, you just want to do right by your. i wanted him to love me and certainly did a great job. and you weren't that love and you know, there's been some close calls. i've almost been the couch a few times. and how's the house doing? maybe i'll swing by and take a night off the. yeah, i wanted, i wanted to do right. i mean we all wanted to do right. i mean, i told the story and the first thing and it was, you know, it's incredibly nerve wracking. and we're in paris for about to go do the premiere of the thing and and babe and bill are sitting at a table. me and bill's like, well, here we go, kid. this is it. about to go watch thing. hope you're funny. and i and i'm trying to kind of, you know, say something funny. i'm like because, you know,

funny how that works. and bill's like, because he was funny. and i yeah. yep, sure. because jokes are the one funny and babe goes, forget about it, right? they had written me off so i could only go up there. so i think that's why i got a lot of grace. yeah we were under an incredible amount of pressure to, to, to, um, to, to do right by everybody and i and i and of course, you know, it's like i felt this connection to the, to the family. we still have that and i would never that'll never be broken. but you do see breath of relief when people go, hey, good job, well done. yeah. and you did you did such a great job with my mom, too, at the premiere. yeah. you know, so we're at the premiere in paris, and my wife secured us a wonderful room, and you and your wife came up, and you were always taking care of my mom. she just loved that. i love being with her, you know, those kinds of things really go a long way. and the same thing with grace, because i was really close with

rhonda in that grace period, we didn't know. we would say, you know, hey, about pop by for a beer, he's like, hey, great, grace is over wrong. we like, you know, grace. grace is at the house and i think, oh, great. well, come on, dad. but, you know, like, grace was there all the time. they were they constantly seeing each other, you have to understand, too, with grace nixon, she was about four foot 11. yeah, she's tiny. and she drove a huge cadillac eldorado and she could barely see over the steering. yeah, and she lived up on the hill in the hills of sherman oaks, and her driveway was about three s's. so watching seeing her, seeing her attempt was not a term she always succeeded coming down that driveway inch because she was a big dodger fan, too. she was not going to miss a game that she was invited to love the dodgers. everyone thinks that. many people think that when the guys came home from world war two, it was all tickertape parades and the gi bill and they just got on with lives. but of course it was more complex than that and we don't get a chance.

we didn't get a chance in series to delve into that too much. but you couldn't you couldn't jump normandy. you couldn't hold the line at bastogne then you couldn't see the things you saw and do some of the things you had to do and not be affected by it. chris, you were telling me some the stuff with your dad that you know, as we as as bruce was saying in the previous panel, your dad had a c and i mean, your grandfather, i'm sorry, had to and had to see he had to take care of everybody he went from wound to wound to worse wound to dead. so that had an effect on him to tell us about that. yeah. so, you know if i'd have known something were to show up and had done something with my hair but. because my grandfather died before the came out and because i was a dumb college student when the book came out and care about mom my mom my mom on on

1992 when i was a sophomore or junior in college. and i came home a weekend to get my clothes washed. and mom's and she handed me the book and she goes, sure, your grandfather jumped on d-day. well, that didn't sound like beer or girls to me at all. so what does that have do with me? and so i didn't know what i didn't know. and the series came out. of course, we learned about the series. and to your point, we walk through yesterday through the european section and there's a a quote, you know, on the wall and it says, no man goes combat and comes back normal and. that gave me goose bumps and so everyone sees shane taylor and shane taylor as doc rowe. and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. i love shane taylor and i what he gave me as my grandfather, who i didn't know in this regard, but my grandfather drank

after the war. and i don't i'm not embarrassed about that. and the smallest sense several because the company guys drank after the war. rose the only medic in easy company to go from d-day to hitler's eagle's nest. so if he were wounded in easy company or a few died in easy company. my grandfather had his hands on them, so there's no way my grandfather came back normal in a and people talk about ptsd and without knowing the questions i don't i don't have the answers but my mom said something a few years ago and she's my grandfather met my grandmother and she was working on the southern coast of england. so he met her and followed her home, which would be stalking today. i like to think of as an aggressive pursue all of your goals that i taught.

i would tell the cops. so she was a british war bride and he stood her up on d-day. they were to be married on june 6th. and obviously came back and married her afterward. and my mom said the that my mother met is not the man she married and. it clicked, no man goes to war and comes back normal. no medic serves in the entire war and treats those men and sees those bodies and as normal. and so i love what shane did and i love what every writer and producer and director did to show the heroism of my. because he's my hero too. i'm a fan rose my hero. but these men human beings after the war and the war was not ten

episodes. and those guys winters and all of them said every day, i thought about those men. and so from my grandfather. and i told, john, not to make me cry from my was different because he never shot he never fought but he spent his time holding those men and taking care of those men and he was never normal. but he did his job well. it's almost like he absorbed, you know, with what he had to do, he had to absorb so many and there's only so many wounds you can absorb. shane you didn't get a chance to meet doc grow, but you knew what he did. you knew what he had to do. not just hit bastogne, but as chris was telling us from june sixth all the way into may 8th, you didn't get a chance to meet and you knew what he did. how did that inform how you portrayed him in particularly in

episode six? well, i think you, ralph spiner, came in pretty handy for me. and, you know, i often think about if i had had the same situation as frank and robin and rick and, some others, you know, and thinking, well, that would have been interesting. how would that have shaped my approach. and then i realized that, well, you know, i'm not sure because of what went through and what you've said and the fact he didn't really talk, i'm not sure i would have got anywhere anyway. so i had what i had and as you know, the production materials i had numbers call. and ralph was pretty significant in terms the role of a medic of the period and along with again coming back to the kadri with what they knew the script which i really invested a lot into

that script i mean i just things were just there for me and there was something it that i, i don't know, i was just i was just imagining the way i was going to approach it as i was reading this stuff and, you know, with the help of the rest of the fellows, it was all it all there. as i was saying earlier, the to do that kind of role in this kind of series, it was just there to to just go for it, commit not question it and not be you know, we were so well protected from the outside. it was it was just all there. so, you know, i just all that was there that i had is all i had. but it was it was it was a lot and enough to go on and so, you

know, our our journey doesn't start until after the the show and marlene, one of eugene's daughters and her sister, maxine, who i haven't a a great hug in the history of my life and i had that in paris. and then this guy, we've just been the best of friends ever since. and you talk about a legacy. you talk about something that honors the kind of people like george here in the front row. that's one kind of legacy. that's we've been able to do. but the other thing is this i mean, this is phenomenal. this is on touchable. and this this will continue, right. you, jodie, as mentioned earlier, in some ways you got to know babe and bill as opposed to robin and frank, etcetera, etcetera. you got know so many of them. and tell us about experience because you as you said over,

three years you met almost every living member of easy company. yeah. i mean, it was it was a as we've heard, it was, a life changing experience for sure and i did get to meet the men in a different way than other people because i was the only woman on the documentary team maybe on band of brothers. i don't know. i mean, was that part of it? and the first trip that we took was, as everyone said, we had to audition for winters, so we decided to go to pennsylvania. and the first stop was to meet dave and bill and we walked. it was one of the hottest days of the summer. we in south philly in in, you know, bill's rowhouse and we were greeted by these two gentlemen who were already very well oiled as they used to say.

and it was 9:00 in the morning. so we, you know, my partners and i looked at each other and were like, you better get get to this quickly. and it was, as i said, it felt like it was about 120 degrees because we had to turn off the air conditioner because it was so loud that you couldn't hear the audio. so to keep the recording, we had to we were all sweating. we talked to them both for several hours, and then we went outside to, take some portraits and mark was with well, they were setting up the shot they wanted and i was standing with babe and bill and they turned to each other with this look in their eye and. they says to bill, should we tell her about the one on and i was like, what do you mean? and so bill goes, well, you

what? the 1 to 1 is right. i'm like, yeah, the 101st airborne division. i don't know, you know, like now and so then i knew i was in trouble. and what happened next was i was caught up in garnier's arms, which like he had one leg, but somehow he was the most fleet footed guy and they the babe gave me a kiss on the cheek. then bill suddenly in the crook of his arm, being tipped backwards upside down, and he planted a french kiss on my mouth that was the. oh, so it's one. thank you, mom. one. so i learned how the one on one, you know, made it through the war. it was always v-e day with those two. i know it was always. but the funny part we then we then interviewed major winters, which was extraordinary. and then we came back to santa monica to show the what footage

to tom hanks and and to you a platoon and so these were the first images that anybody had seen of the guys. and we put up we put your father's photo up there, and it was on the big screen. and tom hanks goes, oh, i look athe care after and his face and i couldn't help it. i just said, yeah, it's a great he's like, what a great face. and i said, yeah, it's great until it's right on top of you. and then this, i have to say, the best moment in my life, my hollywood career, it was tom hanks laughing so hard he was tipping back in his chair and he actually fell off his chair. well till you mentioned and you got to know richard winters pretty pretty well. and you and i have talked a lot about -- in the last couple of days. you had a particular story of how you were saying how observant -- was and how we

benefit the production benefit. eric anderson benefited because he kept so meticulous records and he was always paying attention to talk about how important that was yes. so i was. i've noticed this because lately i've been working with first responders. and what i've noticed about police officers is how they're hyper vigilant and it made me think about when i was around major winters because he had that same quality of of a law enforcement. and he was always watching everyone all the time. he always knew what was happening everywhere, all the time. and i'd just a funny story that was when we were another time we flew out to interview him at his farm in hershey, pennsylvania, and apple, his had made this extraordinary spread of for lunch and it was set up in the barn because it was a really windy and. i made my sandwich and ethel

standing there watching me and i could tell that like had picked everything that she from her own garden, you know, and had grown the lettuce. and so i tried to pilot all on my sandwich, the tomato, and i was it just kept getting bigger and bigger, my sandwich, because i wanted her to know that i appreciate, you know, her efforts and i take it out to the picnic table in the yard and we're all sitting there and i suddenly that there's i forgot to cut my son my sandwich in half and. it's so big that it's not going to actually fit into my mouth without everywhere. and i'm just having this moment about what to about that when. and look up and major winters was standing there with his jump knife in his hand and he had sliced my sandwich in half and perfectly. and then he just sort of like wiped the blade off on his

shoulder and stuck it back into his jump boots and walked away. oh, and he never said one word, you know, but he was watching. he saw that i was such an idiot. i made my sandwich too big. couldn't it? and he fixed the problem. but he never kissed kissed. till us. and the moments. because, again, you interviewed were and in the interviews of so many of the men were anything any any particular interviews stand out or any any particular sentiment that were expressed either that were common or that were unique and therefore stood out. oh gosh. well it has to do with what chris was saying, which was it was really difficult get them to talk about after the war. you know if they had any ptsd or

challenges readjusting to life and that was something that we were all curious about and. the only the only person who really opened up about that was malaki. and i remember distinctly he just of all the guys that really wore his heart on his sleeve and i could tell when i started asking him about what he did after the war. and for all those the guys who knew him like you know, remember how his eyes were just well with tears, like at the of a hat. he started doing that and he said that he didn't want to talk about it, but then he did and he said he went to college on the gi but he had to drop out his freshman year because he just he couldn't he just couldn't sit there and be in school. he had too much anxiety and

memories. i remember we've talked about the denver reunion a lot this morning. and i flew i came to that as well. and i remember landing at the airport in denver and i called mark cowan, who the director and we got mark on the phone. and the first thing he said to me was, get ready, because what? and the point is what i was about to walk into experience that i had never he was sure i had never had before because you guys had just been experiencing it for the last few weeks. tell us, you know, tell you and mark and will john campbell and steve wax, which was the documentary crew, when did you know you had something special when when did that when you start when did it start sinking in that this was just not another gig on on day one when i was sitting on the steps of garner's house sweating to death and, babe was he came over and

he started singing. he was richard o'flynn. yeah, he started singing. o'flynn and where have you been? and that was the song joke toilet, you know, and i said to mark, we need to record him singing this song because it would be so cool if we could figure out how to put it in the documentary. and of course it ends up being when the credits roll, it's babe singing that song and that was when we knew, like we just knew from the moment that we walked in the door that, this was going to be amazing, amazing experience. and it's so humbling to know that like we all had that opportunity to, to be firsthand talking to, to these guys. and just so and really what was the process? i mean, i know you went to a bunch of a lot of men's homes, but also you guys came to the denver and also to the reunion right here in new orleans in

2001 at the hotel monteleone. you talk about you said a little bit about it yesterday, how you had a room and b and you were shuttling back and forth. these guys were lining up figuratively to their stories. they had been so reluctant to tell their stories. but now now they were for what were you? tell us why. now they're lining up to tell their stories. oh, yeah. i think they realized. well when we when we after we came back from pennsylvania with we then went out on the road and as i said yesterday, unfortunately, the first person that we were scheduled to interview passed away as we were driving the van to his house and so we had to call immediately and just say, we need to hurry this up. you try to capture these stories because if you don't talk to the person before they go you're never going to you're never

going to get the whole history. so we went to papy when we went to car wood lipton this is on the second trip. then we went from lipton's house to shift powers and every time we would go into somebody's living room, it wasn't just the veteran it would be his whole family, his wife, his kids, his grandchildren. and they were all coming because in most cases they had never, ever, ever spoken about what happened in the war. so it was really special that way. but when we would go to the conventions, we would rent bus suites and then we would bring them in on the hour one after the other. so once the the guys at the reunion started hearing that we, you know, that tom hanks, his team had come, they all wanted a chance to talk. so it was pretty easy. yeah. i'll never forget when guys it

was. you were still on that first road trip and mark cowan called me from the road and he said, you know, it's funny because when we pull up to a house of whomever it would be, there would be not just an extended family. but sometimes maybe a neighbor or a best friend or and mark said, you know, i thought and they think hanks is going to or steven spielberg's going to be here or it's just lights, camera, action and some kind of the glamor of hollywood. but he very quickly, of course, that had nothing to do with any of that, that this is the first time grandpa's ever told these stories. so everybody wants to hear everybody wants to gather around that campfire. i think also they a sense of their i was the they finally had sense of what they had contributed to history and it really important for them to share it with with all of us so that would not necessarily

remember what they as individuals had done but but the war itself and why this museum exists they wanted to make sure that the world knew that this could never happen again. tell tell the audience what role major winters played not only in his, but in helping secure so many of the other interviews. yes. so once we got the blessing from major winters, which was amazing he would call whoever we were going to go talk to and we didn't even know this was happening, but i guess he would call them and say mark and will and jody and steve wax sometimes john are coming and. you know, you can tell what happened. we want you to to share story. yeah he's he was being company commander even then giving them direction absolutely but i would have to say that babe and bill were sort of in charge of all the reunions.

well, let's talk about the reunions because i think i went three or four of them, but certainly denver and new orleans. and by that point, the series had been announced. but we hadn't shot anything yet. but talk about the reunions. all you all the kids, because i was struck, i think and again, i think that's part of what mark was saying to me, you know, wow. well, watch. you're going to step into something seen before, which was essentially about a person family reunion. and it wasn't just the guys. it not just a reunion of easy company. it was it was a reunion of george and chris and angie and and tricia and, everyone. so talk of the tell us what those reunions were growing up. i mean, in getting to know not just the your father's comrades, but your cousins. i think george was the first one

to speak. he was the only they couldn't leave home. like we didn't go to any reunions, most of us. correct. george, you went there wasn't a lot of kids. the reunions early. we didn't. and i just kind of a humorous story. my second reunion was in las vegas, 1968, and i was 12 years old. we were staying at the stardust hotel and my father would give me $5 a day to eat and in vegas in 1968, you could eat breakfast for $0.98, lunch for dollar 99 and dinner for 299. child abuse, child abuse, george? what's that it? child abuse. well, you think. oh, leave you home. so. so i clued into this kiosk anyway. so i think i ate if it necessary quick nuts these crunch bar they had but one of the nights it was the final night and it was the final dinner. colonel sink was there. my dad.

i got a call. petro my dad. colonel sink well, the rainey girls were there. my sister was there was 16. all i remember was we got off the strip into some nightclub. i'm 12 years old. we're in some nightclub it's loud, as you know, when you're 12 years old. it's loud. is lot of loud music. and i wasn't in out music, so i to myself how in the world did i get here? so you know but anyway that was one of my early memories of the reunion. when did you when did you start coming to as adults? because i don't remember ever not going, you know like i said, it was a little bit different because. i didn't know it was abnormal. not have 40 sets of grandparents that transformed the face of the world. you know, it. and there it was a family. but in a way i was like the little rug rat running around

all the time while everyone else is. lives were sort taking off. so what i will say is i ultimately up going into politics after. my dad died and in part inspired because of his life but also his death. and when i reflect on it. you know, these men like these actors were from all over the country. you know, the actors are from, you know, different countries. but different backgrounds, you know, religions different philosophies, different ways to solver, confront each other. and they didn't always get along. they sometimes disagreed, but were so connected would have done anything for each other and i think it was an early lesson for me in how can have people from varied different backgrounds coalesce either an experience or, a commitment and that the greater good right

mattered than any one difference. and so in some ways i think that shaped my career a lot is seeing how these guys were able to just be best friends despite any differences that they actually had. one of the things you said was you had 40 sets of grandparents. one of the things that struck me and and jody, maybe you can comment on is that you'd go to a reunion and you realize everybody kind of knew everybody else's business. and i mean that in a good way. you knew where, who was not doing, whose kids wasn't well in school. and i don't mean obviously the men, but but the succeeding generations and who who had just had an operation and who just gotten married and and this is over dozens and dozens and dozens of families. i'll add one of the reasons, you know, bill and babe were really for the reunions, but they were there was such a sincere connection and that they wrote

letters to other all the time. and so after my dad died going through his office was one of the more emotional moments of my life to read letters from winters, letters whipton, talking about or letters, copies that my dad would type or i think he would either keep a copy or maybe even lipton's family or winters sent us copies of the letters. he had sent, and it was like a diary i read about my dad telling the guys that he'd met my and that he was going to get married and that he didn't know what he had been missing out on and that he didn't realize that he wanted a partner to share his life with. i mean really intimate. stories and. they had shared that there was a newsletter that they had and, you know, they would tease each other and riff. and there was, i think what also stuck with me is reunions were.

all laughter right. it was just everyone busting each balls all the time. like i'd like they'd a year planning practical jokes, like what they were going to do. and so i think that was their therapy right. it's like to be able to get together, have those moments of levity with the people, the only other people in your world that know what you felt. and it's funny you say that because of the three reunions i went to and i spent a lot of time and i don't i, i don't recall them ever. they would talk about the but they would talk about the funny parts, the war. do you remember this? do you remember when he he fell over? do you that joke there only one time that i remember and was here in new orleans that i remember. and it was with your dad and it was with your dad. and it was with john martin. and we were at the carousel bar at the hotel monteleone, and i guess it was about or 5:00 in the afternoon.

so they were well, old oil, which was fine and. i was just honored that they allowed there was nobody else at the bar and i was honored that they allowed me to be part of it and they about d-day and they talked about operationally d-day not in any detail, none any tactical sophisticated tactical sense, but just reminiscing. but i know that was the exception. i know that normally when they got together, they got together for the laughter and the love. when as it as the children. trish because your dad and gene because, your dad were so instrumental at at these reunions, why did they do that? why did they do it year after year? well, for me, i think, george, you could tell me from i think my dad ran most of the reunions. correct, george? he kept the company together. he knew joe toys address, you know, joe toys, phone numbers, zip code like. frank said before he was, but know what?

this never impacted anything. our house. i got a phone call one time. i'll tell you a real quick story about a phone call from johnny. mark, a lot of my father's friends had money. i mean, real kind of money, too. kind of money. you'd run away home with. and my mother always used to tell me, you know, kid, you should marry of them gordon girls or johnny martin's daughter. i said, do i want to do that? should they should they got money anyway. i couldn't afford that get that her house and that's why that fell through. but anyway my father goes in the hospital. i'll tell you a real quick joke and then i'll tell you i'll tell you this other story. that's very funny. my father into the hospital, he's getting wearing a wooden leg. this wooden leg on. johnny's truth. it's made of maple. it weighs about £30. i'm buying it. just bend the knee. it didn't bend at the foot. and when my father was injured and i could see frank's leg grew back. nice job. my father's was injured. he was injured below the knee and in bastogne. some time my told they cut it off with a saw i true i don't know that for a for his sake but

when he came home he had gangrene and they cut it above his knee. so he had a wooden leg, this maple wooden leg. and this is i'm going preface this story with this link. he put this wooden leg on every day and went to work like nothing happened. what boggles my mind today when i tell you this, when people have prosthetic legs and their straps are springs, all kind of stuff. he had a wooden when he put it on, it was a stump sock, stump sock went over his leg and came out a valve and. he would put the leg on, pull the stump, sock out and tighten the valve. now, this didn't mean anything to me, was there? this leg was held on by fact, like like a vacuum. you know, when you pull a suction. so in the old days, this is the story a to in the old days before tv and everything there was antenna is on the roof. you said he had a house in south philly on the roof. on the chimney was an antenna. so any way you set your tv up downstairs is you had a tourney antenna to get it where it goes.

now, my uncle muscles marinara is at the tv. my brother and i owned a bed and my father is up on the roof climbing. up on the roof with this wooden leg. he would go everywhere. he climbs on the roof. my and i were the in between. i said, he's turning a little bit more. he turns he finally gets to the where he wanted. my father it up and he's coming down. he hangs off the roof and this is gonzalez truth. his leg falls off suction. but it it doesn't come out of his pants. so his legs, about eight or nine feet long, hanging out of his pants. he's he's laughing. he's holding onto the roof because if he knows, if he jumps, he's going to be a soprano. so we holler dance there. mom. daddy's leg fell off. we didn't, you know, we didn't. and then muscles marinara comes off and helps him down. and after that, i'm as i got older, i thought, how come my uncle, who really how come he was on the roof and father. but that's that's a funny story and talking your dad and babe real quick to tell you what much

tom hanks liked them babe and my father if you'll you get to see this on youtube this even when i say this it's going to sound crazy they were invited to the afi as surprised for tom hanks i'm thinking you're you're sure to hear this is the right number so they go and they're come out and it's on youtube. my father comes down on crutches and your father comes down on a walker. and then they you know, they make a speech. but tom hanks loved them and they loved him. in fact, when tom hanks was in england, when they left, they were on episode five, but they were there with the guys and know when my father came home, he gifts to tom hanks. and i said, i don't think tom hanks knew, okay, you god. i said, know, you've got to send them gifts. i'm sure, he needs a cheesesteak or some. that's one of the stories. i mean, got a couple stories where my father was the imitator french french guy to come over his house, go to his now father.

my mother died in 1997. so my father was living alone in this row house. he never locked door. he had his phone number and address in the phone book. now it's like if i could look up actor's phone name and phone number in the book, people will be visiting them. so if i changed his phone number, which could if i took it out of the phone book, i would have had him move out of the country. i would have been in israel now, something like that. so he had people visit him all the time. and anyway, this french, the french ambassador to the united states comes over his house and is going to give him this. i don't know what the hell called. it's like the silver legion of honor. thank you very much. so he's going to give him the legion of honor so. he might. he comes over. he's got with him to security. if they all come in his house, their roads. and plus, my father had 20 navy seals was. and what's those three. so when he gets this medal, the guy leaves and my friend goes over ronnie to visit him. but a lot of people would visit

him, see if he needed something. so when it's over and he says, ronnie, look at this thing, the french you miss the french guy, come over and ronnie looks at them. he saw bill. this is beautiful. he says, what is this? he said, out of the window. they brought it over here. so ronnie said he told them it was and he says, what did you say to guy? and i'm like, going to he said, i told him it's about f in time i should tell the french. that's dealing with him and babe was a real experience anyway. tricia divert to you. fellow that. but true. thanks jean. i have a feeling this has happened before, but the serious question why did your dad really threw himself into into organized? i mean, i think i know why, but why do you think he threw himself and spent so much time and effort in organizing the reunions? well, i think uncle my uncle bill did most of it. he was he really men really respected him and wanted to they

all wanted to get together because they just loved each other so much. like harry said. they really loved each other. and my dad was very close to a bill compton, don mularkey and was a way for them to see each other once a year which i understand now is very unusual. most army regiments don't get together once a year. it was just a way for them to spend time with each other. they understood each other, because they couldn't talk to us about their experiences, could only talk to each other. i said yesterday in one of the panels that i would ask. inevitably i would ask the cliche, why didn't you talk about it? and i got two common answers. one was, if why would i tell my wife my children, my grandchildren, anyone i cared about about the worst things i've ever seen. and on occasion to do.

but the other thing that was maybe even more common was the answer. i would receive is if you weren't there you couldn't understand. and i think i think it's pretty obvious that that's the reunions were they did need talk they did want to talk. they didn't necessarily want to talk about d-day. freezing in bastogne, but they definitely wanted to talk. but they could really only talk to each other. and then finally, as we're going to wrap up this, this panel is about the legacy of easy. but i'd like to know from and robin and you guys what is the personal legacy of portraying bill garnier babe ephron, doc roe, george laws just tell us your the personal legacy of portraying these men for me. he made me a better man knowing both of them bill and babe,

because they real they were a team it was but but bill me a better man made me a better father i think he made me a better citizen made me a better friend. they they had the friend game on such a high level. the bar was set so high that that's what you aim for. i think anybody who met them that's that's your moral about best friends in my life is to try to have a piece of they had he made me better and in all those ways and the last thing he really gave me especially as i get older he gave me the blueprint to to get old and what aging could be like how much fun you can have, how much passion you can have, how fierce this you can be getting older. he was he was so viral late in life like i used to look at them and go what the hell was this

guy at 19? what the hell was testosterone levels at? because he was so much man late in life. i mean you. well, that's for sure. jody. jody the hard way. just side note, frank, my was in love with jody he would call me to talk to jody today and just found out like an hour ago that he used to call her and sing to her on her answering machine. oh, wow. yeah. i remember the first time it happened, i had taken a run on the beach and i came back to my apartment, santa monica. and, you know, this is before internet and before cell phones and i had a an answering machine with tape in it. and i pressed, you know, and suddenly babe's voice was singing, i can't even do this. bridget o'flynn, where have you been? and i was, you know.

yeah, they were great. and they they me your dad sent stuff all the time. they, they would ghost letter shopping or something and i would just open my mailbox and there would be a compact that the women in the forties with a mirror with a little note inside got them just thinking about you. $1. i'll take all that. yeah but the thing that, that i got that i treasure most is they made me an honorary member of easy company and. they framed it and they signed it. and i have it on my office wall and i look at it every day. robin what, what was the legacy of portraying your personal legacy of portraying babe past i think i echo what frank said, you spend time with babe and belle and yeah, you think that's that's something to aspire to be to have that sort of joie de

vive, you know? but my personal legacy is, you know, now that babe has gone, it's my friendship with tricia, you know, we are we're it's just really good friends. you and that's a wonderful thing you know all the guys are you know close dear friends but you know this is this really special, you know. yes. shane well, i think well, we've touched on this before. you know, the idea of just how it's funny, you know because the way bill was that adhesive element to the reunion and this guy here in the waistcoat along mike but this guy was was our man yeah and it is uncanny he's ability a natural ability to be able to bring everybody together together. he he he was the soldier soldier for us.

and i love him to bits didn't see him enough but i really appreciate what he's done for us. um, my own personal legacy. well, this man and the family, you know, i've shared been to louisiana, i've shared king cake. they look after you here and. yeah, uh, and this is so special. it's so it's so special. um, i'm so very grateful for everything that the show done and, you know, i can't talk highly of, of the family and, uh, and i'll cherish forever. rick, you're like, you're, you're going to in circles, but it's the exact same thing that you have your, your family and then you are embraced by all these other families and then we have each other. mike said it really beautifully yesterday when said, you know, my son just says moonshot. that really was awesome. mike. it's just it's just a moonshot.

it just it's it's almost all magic. i don't know how to describe, right? yeah. anyway, thank you guys, for another another. one, one, one last thing. if one last point. if you when you go to if you're in london, you go down to in the basement of st paul's cathedral, there's christopher wren's tomb. christopher wren is the greatest architect in british history, designed st paul's. and there's quote on the wall and it says, if you seek legacy, look around. well, if you seek their legacy, look around. thank.

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