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>> u.s. homeland security secretary spoke about immigration and border security and hamas economic limit washington dc by alejandro mayorkas. [background sounds]. [background sounds]. >> okay can i have your please.n and have a conversation the secretary of homeland security, alejandro mayorkas known to many

as la. >> thank you. >> and so why don't we dig right into it. why did you want to leave a very prosperous law firm job to be homelandtary of security did you ever have second thoughts aboutd that. >> no second thoughts. what a privilege it is to leave a place one loves to be able to go to a place one loves. another way that a bridge the two worlds is by borrowing and stealing intelligence of jamie, is the chair and cochair of a homeland security council in the department of homeland security that jewel think that i am, i just stole matthew ferraro from the law firm to join us to be a senior counselor on technology. >> okay and well let me talk about the elephant in the room, because you relate second secretary in history of our country, to be impeached.

i was like living through that impeachment process and is finally overgh now. >> to the>> mess of my knowledge it is over. [laughter] >> and so, you're quite frankly, i have saidd publicly the number of times, and it did not allow it to distract me that was actually sincere. and i focused intensely on the work throughout and on week where was an issue of greater prominence in the life of the department and might've spent 20 minutes on it in a religious focus onin my work ahead is in fact on loved ones to equality is behind his know it will rogers was said and paraphrasing him cover the countries never save is the house is in session right so you never know it may come back right. one would hope not right. >> so let's talk about the border.

it appears that there are a lot of people coming it over the border obviously the sum of the subjects of people that wanted to impeach you because some people wanted to impeach over is really getting more people coming in over the border illegally was aga just the appearance of that. >> on a no, then number of encounters at the southern border, is very high. it is very very important, number one to contextualize number two to explain it in from a context perspective of the world is seeking the greatest level of displacement since at least world war ii and i think that there reaching report 70 $3m displaced people in the united states and so the challengeat of migration is not exclusive to the southern border north of the western hemisphere and it is global and what i. jacky: partners, across the thinking, it is the first issue the race enter challenge. >> what is the reason for that.

>> will so one has the customary reasons of displacement. violence. insecurity. poverty. corruption., authoritarian regime, you know increasingly extreme weather events that will help people leave. why are we experiencing what we are. it is for those very reasons why the people leave their countries of origin. we also remember in our hemisphere, we overcame covid-19 more rapidly than any other country. that we had in the post covid-19 world, 11 million jobs fulfilled. we are a country of choice as a destination card and one takes those forces and then one considers the fact we have an immigration system that is broken fundamentally.

and we have a level that we do and when we speak of a broken system in theak me just capture that essence equally as a kevin the average time between encounter and the point of final adjudication of asylum is seven plus years and approximately, 70 percent of the people who needed initial threshold for asylum little standard, about 7y stay for seven plus years. the ultimate adjudication is about 20 percent qualify. it's quite a disparity for the people in the meantime, they leave and are able to stay is sometimes they have children. u.s. citizen children, they tender schools, dinner places of worship, basically so if i understand but why wouldn't somebody isra going on legally always say that there seeking

political asylum because basement we just to be a part seven years when i just think no smuggling drugs and of just a political asylum seeker voted to do that. >> because they separate drug smuggling from migration. the fact of the matter is, we havebe an extraordinary number f people claiming this asylum. an agreement reduced number of people qualifying for it. the reality is that people do claim asylum when in fact they areac clean poverty and generalized violence and that is not an asylum case make the initial threshold, were asylum case is low and purposely low. one of the things that the bipartisan legislation would've done, is raise it. >> in country if somebody sees political asylum and think legitimately the political

assignment, is a law that they automatically get it if they are legitimate needs there's no notice or anything i many people we can accept from the sun. >> no quota on the asylum population and one just has to persuade judge. >> you been homeland security secretary and the president of biden from the beginning of the administration so how many people would you say since the time implement over the border or t the southern border say illegally seeking asylum, bringing drugs doing. >> to differentiate because we rna a political environment. it demonizes individuals encountered at the border. and there's a vulnerability painting with a broad brush, people who are fleeing and coming to the united states. someone a separate them and i want to be separate drug smugglers from individuals

seeking asylum for event if they don't have a basis to remain in the united states. seeking ais better life. as of the number of encounters that we've been very well publish this past year this past month and we had about 134,000 encounters this past month but since heat had be beginning of e ministration millions of people smack several million smith with perception is by get some republicans but outside perhaps maybe others more people becoming it under president biden under president trump is that true or not. >> that's true. noww in 2019, there was a mistae hundred percent increase the number encounters at the southern border over 2018. in the situation the hemisphere which going the people to leave their country, and in 2020 was. a tremendously suppressed migration throughout the

hemisphere enter the world because of the covid-19. >> people coming of the border the southern border, what percentage of them are really drug smugglers. >> the majority of fentanyl over 90 percent of the fentanyl smuggled into this country smuggled in passenger vehicles and commercial trucks traveling through our ports of entry. >> is on people caring and on the body. >> it is not people caring it on the body. >> what about c people hired and want to get out and get a better life, they hire people for money to get them across the border it is that a big problem as well. >> we go back make one other point about the points of entry printed the majority of the people arrested and smuggled fentanyl into the country through commercial trucks and passenger vehicles are united states citizens. >> we do them. >> and so there arrested for

drug smuggling under title 21 of the united states code be prosecutedod and so with respect to your question about you know, people coming across the border, what we need and what we need fundamentally, is a reformed system legislatively reformed system. our and 2024, the world has changed. there immigration system was last changed in 1996. where in a different world. >> there was legislation that was developed i think in the senate bipartisan legislation talk and he got salt and is in the house and would've that is solve the problem had a past would've been a transformative changeld in managing the numberf people we encounter. >> will resume think it would've been in the law we do not have

now you would've liked to have had. >> so we would've taken the seven plus year time period between the time encounter and final adjudication and reducers as little as 90 days and the changes in intending migrants risk calculus because if they know that they can stay for multiple years, and work and make more money than they can and safely so that in the country of origin, the site to make that journey. nothing understand that they have to pay their life savings to a smuggling organization, only to stay for a matter of weeks, that is a very different risk calculus. one of your prior questions was, the people to assist them. the world migration is changed dramatically over the last even 15 years pretty were not dealing with that coyotes that i dealt with as a federal prosecutor. there were they smuggled two or three people at t a time dealing

with extraordinary sophisticated smuggling organizations in a multibillion-dollar industry that is also international. >> with that industry someone decided to bring drugs into the united states are designed get people to come to the united states for which you may get a feet. >> it is the latter but what we see there should be unsurprising to anybody that we see a not quite emerge was a synthesis of transnational criminal organizations in the smuggling organization there's much money to be made in prison all is coming from, is a true well, the china is a primary source of precursor chemicals and the women used to manufacture fentanyl. >> how does get over from china that say>> mexico. >> it is shipped to mexico and it also comes domestically to the united states nfl's.

transit routes which is why i engaged with my i counterparts from the people's republic of china to address this fact summa people who are now coming over and we separating families in or words of the trump administration is a lot of controversy the children were being separated from parents is that having our not. >> know that, that was eight deliberate practice to the tour families from reaching the southern border was the separation of them and that was condemned across the board. incredulity is not something that is an instrument that the value -based country. we eliminated that practice and actually was eliminated towards the end of the trump administration that we issued a policy preventing it we actually the president created the family leave vocation task force that i

share that is actually uniting separated families. >> when okay, so president trump campaign when he first campaign for president creatingpa a walln a guess in some part of the wall was built but would not of all have helped somewhat we got it big wall and within not block people from home even though you like to make fun of the wall and it's expensive but not have had some impact in reducing illegal immigration. s >> was so looking the 21st century, who not necessarily propose cementing bollards on the ground and constructing an immovable wall give the dynamism and you know the rapid change in migratory patterns but i had to quote secretary paula to rebuild a 20-foot wall were 1 foot ladder. and we see breaches of the wall all of the time. we see the corrosion of the collapse of the wall and of the

places the people breach physical barriers and requires much more comprehensive approach. >> so what when and people come over the northern border w somehow, nobody seems to be monitoring the canadian border that much i guess so is easier to come into the country illegallyy from canada. >> we monitor the northern border. [laughter] of the united states u.s. customs and border protection affecting some of the terrain is very difficult to traverse and we have a different legal structure with canada and weave a safer country agreement with canada the reality and canada also has different approaches to migration into their country and do some of the left in the americas make you want to do come illegally let's suppose that you were we want to come in recklessly when wanted to come in fact would you recommend it

to that one person said they do the best way to get into this country illegally. >> i would caution them and encourage them to apply for a visa. and if in fact, they see humanitarian relief, to actually avail themselves of the lawful pathways that we have established so that they do not risk their lives in the hands of smugglers. [applause] [applause] >> was assented the people they die trying to getet into the country's matchup by somebody or survey. >> well i don't know okay percentage but i will share with you haven't spoken to families who cross the area between columbiaee and panama. the suffering the trauma is extraordinary. >> what is the country that ascending the most people

illegally over the southern border in his of mexico olympia or venezuela, where i mostly coming from. >> varies and varies from time to time. i would just say that the atpopulation right now demographically population of individuals whom we are encountering in the southern border in between the ports of entry predominantly right now mexicans. >> okay so the supposed legislation do not pass. maybe eventually it will pass but until that cans you not administratively give thanks i was in the legislation or are you already doing iss legislatin number of things. the two pillars were well he gave us the legal tools statutorily tools to vastly accelerate the adjudication of claims for humanitarian relief means that we could remove people quickly who do not qualify quite frankly we can

give protection finalities to people who do much more rapidly and resource stuff. and resource us to affect that dramatic change we were talking about legislation piece of legislation that would equip us 4300 more asylum officers more immigration judges and plugs of the entire system in a way that we now we just do not have okay let me ask. you a few other russians own this so right now, the homeland partner homeland security created after 911. you feel that we are much safer today than we were before 911 because of the department. >> i do and much more so. >> and the 911 event over again you know it is our job as the department of homeland security but the federal government in

partnership with state and local trouble territorial law enforcement. any american citizen linked to be vigilant because thehe threat landscape is director brave the fbi accurately communicated publicly would hide in the threatened environment. >> another number of people themes him when security or it cir and same on capitol hill they have said that hip-hop is a danger to national security for the public has not been given the much information about arthritis now much of a threat to national security is tiktok. >> the people's republic of china, they ask adversely coming to be interest of the united states different ways. and one of those ways is through the dissemination of disinformation and the intentional communication of false statements and tiktok is

an extraordinary avenue through which to disseminate this information to millions and millions of people. >> with the newspapers can disseminate this information and why is it that is over social media is gotta be man and if the newspapers that the god of same things that as i'm tiktok coming would not be banned because of the first amendment was the person women are protecting and tiktok social media. >> well it is not to be an issue of the first amendment. it is an issue of security you are talking about a company and anova rhythm that is controlled by foreign state. in the next adversity in the interests of the united states and we have an obligation to protect america's the presumptions people not smart enough to know that is disinformation. they cannot make the decision for themselves is that right. >> what were talking about many

young peopleou that access to tk and i would posit that in this country we don't have a level of digital literacy that i think of it all want and were all longer able to disinformation and the reality is that we have an obligation to safeguard against it but the intentional dissemination of false information. >> we should disclose that in my firm isd an investor in bite dances so not persuaded faster but my firm didn't so we go intt another subject that is okay, so. >> you would've stayed the same having on that at the outset. >> okay, i didn't think you would change but you have children watch tiktok reseller not to do that. >> another one from law school that i remember clearly. i don't think our older daughter but i give her daughter does.

the law of useless act that is the maximum i remember so if i admonish the 19 -year-old daughter to not access tiktok, i'm not sure i was succeed you watch tiktok yourself. >> she's a digitally no i do not and she is a digitally literate consumer of information. >> okay what is the biggest security threats to the unitedy states right now ins your view. >> is so in the terrorism context, i would say the threat of foreign terrorism as we emerge. the greater level of significance. the threaded domestic violence extremist and individuals with loose affiliations of individuals who are radicalized to violence because of ideologies of hate which are only increasing especially after the october 7th terrorist attacks againstks israel.

in antigovernment sentiments and falseelnt narratives another narratives propagated. >> would you feel better about our homeland security today than you did ten years the open 20 years ago smoke is ideal think the department and the homeland security enterprise at large has matured and tremendously. >> who the best at cyber terrorism today. is a china, north korea, anything has the greatest capabilities of doing damage to our country in terms of foreign country. >> i would say there are four. china, russia, iran and north korea. >> okay on in our country, you can go really good cyber summary like that you can go for adventure vermin make a lot of money and so forth. and if you go work in the u.s. government coming off what you get paid as much itself as the u.s. government able to get

really like cyber people committed compete with the peopleer from overseas or to be not how the best people in a government working on these problems because we cannot pay them enough. >> ... t people in the government, and there are the best people in the private sector as well. you raise an issue where we had the debate in germany, to draw come to attract the best cyber talent, should we increase the salaries of those should we increase the sales of those individuals to better compete? close we cannot close the divide but we could shrink it. and so i lost this debate because we did increase in salaries. my position is very difficult for me too stand in front of a group of border patrol agents that risk their lives every day,

risk their lives every day and have got to pay sieber affect cyber affect tokick up their sae bit to work for the night states of america. because i will tell you the compensation a publiche services different than material compensation. so your sense of fulfillment in their sickbed but to service. if one does not feel that is enough then one should choose otherwise. i disagreed requested and get that unquestioned. >> now impeccable 5% more? >> were paying them a little bi? more. i haven't a art recruiting effort underway. when i hit the road appeared to put data at scientists and the like. them about theo salary. i talked to them about what it means. quick so using ai now to help?

works we are. we are leading. >> he gives examples of that by late national security about how ai is helping? >> omission one example of how it has demonstrated its capacity for good as well as otherwise. then i will share with you a couple pilots that we have going on. we fight sexual exploitation and abuse. 80 million images disseminated worldwide last year. i don't think people understand the extent of the problem. we use ai to take a photograph of a young girl who disappeared at the age of about seven. we used ai to extrapolate what that young girl would look like now 10 years later.

our ability to make that strap elation using ai was so effective are officers were able to identify that 17-year-old, find her and rescue her. [applause] >> remarkable. flet me flip it. let me flip it. we then cai being used to generate an image of a child that does not exist. or a child thatat does exist and depict that child real or artificial to pick that child being sexually exploited. and it causes our law enforcement officers on an errant mission. its potential for good and potential for harm are real. >> q tote i would look like or five or 10 years?

what she will not have changed one bit. >> i like that artificial intelligence. let's talk about your background. conventional background of many people have this position. so where we born? >> i was born in havana, cuba. >> really?ge what age you leave? >> white parents brought my sister and me here to the united states has political refugees when i was about one. >> did they come in legally or illegally? >> they came in. my father was -- we left early enough. >> there is not that big eight cube it was not that big of a cuban jewish community your mother and father were both jewish. his ancestors. >> his father was from father was from poland. >> your mother fled romania to

france, france to cuba late. her father lost eight brothers and other family in the concentration camps. theyef left so late they could t get to israel. our policies att that time were not as welcoming as one would have hoped at a time of great human distress. >> that came to the night states legally. where did they come? >> we arrived in miami. until my father found a better work opportunity in los angeles, california. what should group in los angeles? i script most of my life in los angeles because you speak in spanish fluently? >> i speak my grammar is not something i take great pride. [laughter] ready to go to high school? i sent to beverly hills high school.

>> a beverly hills high school and at movie stars kids and things like that? >> it is interesting what you consider jack a berm a movie star? i don't remember any movie stars. probably it would ever and has a beverly hills high school they think of the clampett family. there were four elementary schools that fed into the high school. two tended to be of a more affluent community. the other two were quite frankly modest. the lower middle-class home. never wanting for anything and incredibly close family. >> you have siblings? >> have three siblings relax there all alive? >> they are all alive in los angeles, california. >> are they interested in homeland security? homeland security? >> not so much. they are probably recent

devotees. [laughter] >> words go to college? >> due to the diversity of california at barkley. >> has a pretty good schools how did you do there? >> i did pretty well for good you say what to be homeland security secretary someday? >> i don't think i've had that hubris anytime my life. >> you graduated then went to law school in los angeles? works loyola law school barracks loyola is a catholic school you are jewish. they have a lot of people are jewish i preserve? >> it's a mixed student body. when she graduated from law school and what did you do? >> it went into a law firm. i went wanted to go into public service. this pet's given my family everything i very much wanted to give back credit wanted to go into public service and i had my eyes on the united states attorney's office in los angeles. theyd required three years of experience and so i gained three years of experience in a private law firm and then went into the u.s. attorney's office.

>> you are a litigator? works as a federal prosecutor. >> in the practice law question. >> yes projects you went as that federal prosecutor assistant u.s. attorney. >> for eight cap years specializing and sophisticated fraud cases if it. >> it any of your people ever get off when he took them to trial? or did you convict everybody? >> one individual. we ended up resolving the case adverse verdict. >> in a case of squad site criminal. one does not suffer an adverse verdict and retry case it's a double jeopardy. at the forager case the first trial the jury voted for the defendant. issued a verdict a ruling notwithstanding the verdict.

thought the jury had erred gravely again. >> pretty well you became the u.s. attorney. >> flemish or something with you. but i became the u.s. attorney had ultimate confirm that 39. on the acquittal rate would go up and i received a standing ovation. i will share with you why. law enforcement will never take issue with adverse verdicts if one takes a tough case to trial one works one 100% invested everything one could. but what law enforcement will criticize is the prosecutor who is hesitant to take a tough case to trial even as a just and

righteous case. sometimes you take tough cases the jury does the right thing. sometimes they say the actors are not angels. we have tough witnesses. they come with their own baggage. i could tell a story that will make everyone in this room quake about an acquittal. we had a one case to defendants, one the united statesou marshals odand the guard at the detention center. the work during trial communicated to me a deep concern this individual is not convicted because the guards and the marshals who have seen everything sent around this individual they felt they were around the warden said something

about this individual. that case arrested on a very difficult witness. it was a drug user and the jury could not do it. exclusively but predominantly that individual was accused of stealing drugs from drug dealers and gratuitously setting one on fire to their death and chopping the other went up. gratuitously. law enforcement, we took it to trial. i was on a trial lawyer but we took it to trial i was on that case intensely. they thanked us for doing everything we could just as that investigator had done everything he could. >> the person got off.

>> what happened? did you ever convict anybody who thought should not of been convicted? >> absolute not. >> this is a matter of ethics. a matter of integrity. u.s. attorney so you got involved when barack obama we involve his campaign in any way? >> i was.. ultimate you get involved in the transition with barack obama the criminal division of the transition team. gregwi took a position u.s. citizenship and immigration

services after that you got promoted to be the capulet deputy under janet? >> yes. >> that did not convince you this is a complicated area you should would not want to come back aswa secretary? >> complicated, difficult, challenging and extraordinarily fulfilling. >> you go back after president obama leaves office. you join wilmer and in what city? >> washington deceiver. >> your partner there how did you get connected to the biden administration did they remember you from the obama administration? >> that called you up and said guess what we like you as deputy. it was in that way.

and did your going to go down here again is that a fact p question. >> no pay.ou >> didn't care? [laughter] it is what it is. >> so what was your confirmation like? was that unanimous? wasn't unanimous. confirmed unanimously twice's convert so i could be u.s. citizenship and immigration services. and after that i did not enjoy too easy proceedings. >> might confirmation his life as a secretary was along party lines. >> would you do that.

>> not entirely there were a few republicans in the united states senate voted to confirm. >> the confirmation have to pay it t yourself for that legal services or you have to pay accounting fees? how do you get confirmed without having to spend a lot of money on legal or accounting things develop forms? >> by filling them out oneself. >> hadn't spent anybody their work checked out the department. how many people work at the department of her own security? >> about 260,000. the third largest department federal government pickwick so they working remotely? both, some are remote, some in person or front-line personnel do not have the option of working remotely pickwick sort of the main parts of it question. >> certain parts were put together out of the treasury department.t' what are the main divisions? >> ansomething people really understand the expanse of our

mission. in the immigration area and at others u.s. customs and border protection why do i say others? trade and travel. tsa, immigration and customs enforcement, u.s. citizenship and immigration services. cyber security and infrastructure security agency. fema, the united states secret service, those are seven united states coast guard the eighth. >> the expanse of the portfolio is extraordinary. from sexual exploitation and abuse, crimes oflo exploitation, human trafficking to facilitating lawful trade and travel to search and rescue and security in the arctic and the endo pacific to addressing the flooding yesterday and today in houston. were texas we have a number of

fatalities and that frequency and gravity of extreme weather events is only growing. the cyber attacks from china, russia, ironic, north korea is extraordinary. question we get a weekend off you talk to about a crisis somewhere? >> the goal is to have half a saturday. and howso do you stay in shape o dueexerciser or worrier? thanks let me tell you if a worry sheds awaits, i would disappear. i work out. >> you go to a restaurant? here's a restaurant in washington without people give you tips or something about homeland security violation somewhere? >> i walk into a restaurant without someone commending us for the extraordinary work we do. [laughter]

>> that happen a lot? >> i am approached fromri time o time and sometimes not but what's the biggest complaint get back tsa agents? >> let me say this. ten years, ago the concern wasm i going to 10 plus years ago it might going to board my flight and reach my destination safely? that was the concern. i'm i going to reach my destination safely? now the concernco is how fast wl my experience be? how long we need to wait in line? we have moved a lot. >> sometimes people get tsa system they are drunk. they had a flight attendant and i never read about their going to jail. they go away.

>> david, i share your perspective. i remember as assistant united states attorney anyone messed around in a plane up in the air they were prosecuted as a federal offense. the level of disruption in a post- covid world is unprecedented in scope and scale.e. i actually believe the enforcement regime is not active enough. >> okc share my view. >> i do. >> president biden is reelected, would you continue to serve in this position? >> i will tell you that i believe in the president. and i believe in his prerogative to decide who is cabinet. >> of the president is not reelected your bestis friend and

your worst enemy approached you and they said they were offered the job, who would you recommend take it? your best friend or your worst enemy? >> absolutely i don't have enemies. i would absolute as my best friend to take the job. if i had an enemy i would consider theman unqualified. >> because they are your enemy. so today how many illegal in recurrence you think we have in the country now? what someone is in the country illegally what percentage actually ever gets sent out? >> we have thus far this fiscal year removed or returned more individuals than any administration i think for at

least 10 years. we are removing and returning more people than any administration. including the immediately received preceding administration. when we took office 11.4 million undocumented people in the united states. we do not have an update to that number now. it has been millions and millions because our system has been broken for decades. >> for overseeing domestic terrorism to or dealing with that? >> we deal with the domestic violent extremism their most focused on. we deal with it, we deal with thatme with our partners across the federal enterprise the fbif. >> on the secret service, recently candidate running for president robert kennedy's father was assassinated for they didn't have secret service

protection that he has asked for secret service proved protection and has not received a brit who makes a decision on who gets secret service protection if he's running for president? >> i do. what we do is we have set up a process. we have defined criteria and the process, the process provides for a bipartisan group of congressional leaders to make recommendations to m me after ty have analyze the factors that we have established. this is a protocol that was established prior to the trump administration. and so we resuscitated it. it is apolitical, it is a bipartisan the factors are apolitical and i have followed in each instance the recommendation of the bipartisan group. there has been no light between or amongst us. >> when i worked in the white house a hundred years ago or so,

the president and vice president got secret service protection per. >> as they do now in progress it seems like a lot of white house aides and other people have secret service protection. it seems like it hasn't proliferated how do you decide who gets it if you're white house or not? >> it is based on a threat assessment. and very sadly the threat environment in which we are living is more acute than it was when you had the privilege of serving. look, we are now in a world where a former government official of course not the former president. but a former government official is receiving protection because of the threat landscape. >> what about baseball owners? dope they need protection he thought about that?

[laughter] >> ifif i recall my reading of e standings this morning you are safe and secure since you are in first place too. >> i hope so but what if it goes south? we will see. >> we will talk again either before or after we talk about tiktok. [laughter] >> on the whole people watching this they are safer today in the united states than there were 10, 20 or 30 years ago? what was so big risk. >> oh say the following but we are safer today then we were yesterday. the threat landscape is heightened and everyone needs to be vigilant. what we have observed, if one takes abs look at the domestic violence that has occurred whether it is the tragic shooting in buffalo, new york, the supermarket, whether it is july 4 parade in a suburb of

chicago. whether it is in texas, what we have learned the individuals, the assailants were exhibiting signs of a radicalization to violence before they committed their heinous acts. and that see something, say something campaign that secretary developed, relate to the general public speaks of the abandoned backpack at a bus stop or in the airport but does not necessary speak to the individual who is exhibiting signs that should cause us all to worry. and so the question is what we are building is an architecture where people understand what they are. and note what help they can call. it is not to call the

accountability regime, law enforcement because nothing has occurred yet. but to call a trusted source. whether it is a teacher, a faith leader, a mental health practitioner to say look, this individual is coming to school in a hazmat suit. or thisin individual has withdrn from all social interaction and is communicating messages that speak of an interest in committing a violent act. who do i call? what outreach do i make to prevent something from materializing? >> sometimes you see people who do these mass shootings they go onto their social media and they said some crazy things two days ago but you don't have the resource of capability look at all crazy things on social media to figure who is likely to do something crazy, right? >> that is correct.

but if they are publishing that so that others can see it, what do others do? that is the muscle we need to build in this country. how to come to help someone. and prevent something from happening. i would say we are safer. the threat landscape has heightened. one needs to be vigilant. homeland security isn't all an proposition for. >> a member off congress calls you could have a security problem in my district i would like you to look into it and this person voted to impeach you, what would be your reaction? >> the political position of the individual is irrelevant to security. >> it doesn't affect you? >> not in the least of it we do not murmur the name of people voted against you i guess? >> i do not have negative memory. let me be clear that i have some

very productive relationships in good relationships with some of the people who voted to impeach me. hold it against them? >> you know what, i am not a person holds things against people. i live my life to the best of my abilities in a way that would womake me, my parents and others proud. and others live their lives and make their decisions for quick suffers homeland security secretary was a big burly man former governor of pennsylvania. >> a great man too. >> you are not a big burly man. you are shorter i have noticed than me even. so when people see you provide some very interested to see where this is going. [laughter] >> people meet you for the first time said that the guys going to vegas in charge of homeland security but he is diminutive. [laughter] no? that's not a problem?

>> not for me. [laughter] so i have to share a story with you. but before i do you mention secretary risch a great, great american. when his portrait was unveiledri at the then headquarters he said this is very, very typical of washington. first, the pinkk unicoi. then they frame you, then you they hang you out to dry. [laughter] so as a new assistant united states attorney i was dealing with the defensehe lawyer and he had not met me. he apparently, gathered from my voice that i was tall and big. and so when he first met me in court at a status hearing he

actually thought i was an imposter for he did not believe i was who i was. but when the judge called the case he realized w i actually ws mayorkas he literally did not think i was who i presented myself to be. the judge had not met me before. the defense lawyer was about 6-foot five and i am almost the inverse, a little taller than that. the judge looked at me and looked at him and said you note mayorkas you should be really happy we don't settle this case the old-fashioned way. [laughter] >> to be very serious i really want to thank you for your service to the country in many different positions. i would not be as magnanimous as you a people were voting to impeach me out have their names memorized. thank you for what you've done for the country and thanks for being a very good sport today. >> thank you for having me.

[applause] >> i have a gift for you. >> i think you can legally take this gift it's an ancient map of d.c., okay? thank you. [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much. here is what is going up tonight on c-span2. next texas senator ted cruz talking about legal action agns the biden administration the legitimacy of the current supreme court while speaking to the republican national lawyers asciation. then, from the sameve former u.s. ambassador to russia, jon sullivan discussing the war in ukraine filed by house speaker mike johnson outlining his policy and vision for the country. and later state and local law enforcement officls testifying on gun vlence, workforce

recruitment and retention and other challenges facing tir community sets a recent hearing held by the house homeland security committee. ♪ c-span is your unfiltered view of government. funded by these television companies and more including media come. >> that meeting, we believe that whether you live here, or right here, or way out in the middle of anywhere you should have access to fast reliable internet that is why we are leading the way. ♪ >> media come support c-span has a pubc service among these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. >> announced texas senator ted cruz slunk the attorneys general of south carolina, alabama and iowa talk about legal action against the biden administration and the legitimacy of