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r with the center for american women in politics and serves as research director and scholar to talk about the role women will play in campaign 2024. good morning to you. guest: good morning. host: tell us about the center, what do you do there? guest: center for american women in politics is a nonpartisan, nonprofit center at rutgers in new jersey. it's been around for over 50 years and lot of our work is centered on advancing women in american politics in a lot of different ways. we do that research-based strategies, observation and analysis. we are often known for keeping the number of how many women are across levels of office, by party, race and ethnicity. in addition to collecting that data, we are doing large-scale researche where they are and what we would -- what we can do to increase them. our programmatic work includes work to inire women to run for

office, train and prepare them to do so and get younger women to see themselves as public leaders. host: can you give our viewers a snapshot of the influence women currently play in elected offices? guest: women have been increasing their political representation across levels of office especially in recent elections s for women running and winning across levels of office in 2018. also in 2020. we've seen the number of women in office rise but they are still underrepresented across the board. at the congressional level, women hold about 28% of seats. at the statewide executive level including your governors and secretaries of state, we are at about 31%. almost one third of state legislators across the country are women but obviously, women are over 50% of the populations

a while we've seen those increases, we are still seeing women politically underrepresented across the board. we have more work to do to ensure that we not only recruit and support women who run but then we support theincrease thed capacity to have an influence once they are in office because political power is not just being able to navigate political institutions in ways that allow you to have influence and shape outcomes. host: would you say there is several reasons behind the underrepresentation for lytic office? guest: one of the things numerically as we know women are still a smaller percentage of all the candidates. when we look at congressional candidates this year for example, women are under one third of all the candidates running for the u.s. house so far. that's unfortunately been

consistent in recent years and in u.s. history. already, women are startinas a smaller proportion of the candidate pool but then the question is why. there are lots of different barriers, there are clear barriers to of party and other gatekeepers who have been dominated by white men who see themselves as more likely to win and more electable. even perhaps more preferable in these positions. the are hurdles at the gatekeeping and recruitment station but women are also making decisions for themselves and looking at this political environment which is politically toxic to women and people of color and saying maybe the benefit is not worth the cost, maybe this is too dangerous, maybe it puts my family at risk because i still bear the burden of caregiving and domestic responsibility. th that decision-making

calculus for women that don't always exist in the same way for men who share less of that burden at home at least across the board. that's changing and also have more recruitment. folks are tapping them earlier to say you should run for office or you are capable of this. we think you are electable. there are some of those factors and lastly i would say money is always a factor in u.s. politics. women aren't raising as much is men. they can be successful but the research indicates that it might be harder. they are raising money in smaller amounts and women are well underrepresented as donors. they don't have a pool of their peers in terms of tap from in those hurdles are even greater for women of color. host: if the numbers from your organization, they tell us that 151 women serving this congress

currently, 25 in the u.s. senate, 126 in the u.s. house and at the same ti, of women in congress deciding and announcing they are leaving congress. what do you think about that trend? guest:e be watchful of this. progress is not inevitable. this is true across differentrt. we can't assume because we've seen record years and gains at record levels of representation for women that we will be able to sustain it. one of the numbers we are watching closely is how may women have decided not to run again. some of those of will leave about 15 women in congress who are not running again for their current seats. some are rya■unning for other sg for the u.s. senate where they are running for governor. some are also just deciding its time and they are done in this particular time of their lives in public service.

in terms of thinking about women's political representation, we have to calculate that number two how many women we will gain and how many new women are being recr that gap. right now, that's a real question. we have 15 women we know we are losing senate were defeated in california so they go into that column of we have to replace them. many women, new women we are gaining, those numbers thus far in the primary process are not very high.at's e whether or not we sustain the level of representation currently especially in the u.s. slight dip in representation or a slight gain. host: if you want to ask her ab role that women play in politics in campaign 2024, (202) 748-8000 four democrats,

(202) 748-8001 forep (202) 748-. for women in the audience were interested not only in politics but perhaps running for office one day, if you are interested in talking about these issues, call the lines and you can text us at (202) 748-8003. what was the impact of nikki haley's run for a president as a woman running for the office? guest: think we have to look at her historical trajectory. she was one of the first to women of color ever to be elected governor in the united states. this is an important history the not everybody maybe recognizes. that was only in 2010. th'tively recent history. we've had no black women ever serve as governor of the united states we have these milestones left to b a she was a trailblazer in that way. when she was running, she worked

, simply by running and candidas disrupt the images and expectations of who can and should run for president and potentially who can be successful. at the same point, she engaged in some strategies and messaging that were very much aligned with what i would talk about as the status quo. when folks run for president, especially recently, we've seen donald trump really embrace the idea that being masculine is the standard by which we should measure presidential fitness. there were some moments on the campaign where she played into that as well, talking about her heels as a way to issue brute force in the to slip her being a woman into something to say i also have these masculine crent strong, i

am the margaret thatcher of this race. in those ways, she played to the crowd, a particular republican base of voters who value those masculine traits and ologies. that was less disruptive■yless n terms of moving the needle forward to think differently about what we value in our president. i think it was a mixed bag in terms of how hard she push the needle but you have to give credit to her for taking on what was going to be a very difficult race and doing so in an environment where there is still a lot of sexism and racism among which she faced. host: she wasn't afraid to bring campaign wasn't afraid to bring up issues of age particular with a two top candidates. do you think that was a plus for her orr hindered her? guest: when you look at the polling, there were some polls done to say how much age -- how much of a concern is age to republican primary voters.

you saw low percentages. they were not that concerned in regard especially to down from but maybe more so in regard to joe biden. while she was trying to pot i't something that was really resonating with those voters and it wasn't something that was going to be able to get her over this larger hurdle which was the strong support of a republican base for donald trump. it was clear she could not get over that especially in these strong states for donald trump. host: when it comes to the influence, what is the influence of having kamala harriisguest: t the ways in which we start rethinking and shifting our expectations of the poo is at this high level of leadership. by having a woman second-in-command in the united states, somebody who's in the oval office influencing decisions and agendas, it should

again start to disrupt our thinking about who is qualif ses we get to future presidential elections, push back against some of these concernsr an asian american woman are not at all electable in this country. that's what we saw the women candidates especially the democratic women candidates in 2020, they really faced that electability bias, the perception there was no way they could win and therefore we cannot support them even if we like them. having a woman at this level of leadership and having kamala harris in this role hopefully at that. at the same time, we've seen her be the target of racism, sexism, doubts about her ability to do the jobshe also has a burden ths been distinct from other vice president. there is clearly more expected of her that go above and beyond the role. folks are saying she is the

first and she should be doing more and having a greater impact. i think that's a difficult wind at her and her staff in this white house has been walking. host: our guest is kelly ditmar women in politics. the democrats line starts us off, go ahead. caller: good morning. the irony of this is not lost on me. i literally to diddy -- two days ago, i decided to run for the maryland state just legislature. i worked on so many campaigns as a campaign manager and hoping to fundraiser events. i find myself wide-eyed about doing this. i'm 60 and has taken this long to get the courage up to do this. i'm part of a group called immersed which is training de[m)mocratic women to do this. just to run and to win and i

wonder if you could speak more to the state legislature at all in the types of programs like immersed maryland which is training women to run. i haven't on the program myself but i raise money for them. do you have any comment on the state maryland has among the mot women in the most diversity in our states. host: thank you for the call. guest: first of all, congratulations tox"na and q does for making that choice. it's not an easy choice to make especially in this environment. kudos to that choice. we know that state legislatures are the place were some of the most important policies are being made. more more that things are getting done in

major decisions are being made in state legislatures. we want to see more women of diversity in those offices. it's great when women are willing to put their names forward and run for those seats. in terms of the trends in state legislatures, they are consistent with what i've been talking about. women have increased their state legislative representation over the past decade pretty significantly since 2018. we also are seeing the potential for some the cycles we want to see more women running for office. to diana's question and thoughts about the emerge, it's a great ong many training programs that provide women -- i would talk about a support infrastructure with insight about how to run but also how to support from other women who are likely to run or have run where they can talk about thosechallee camaraderie to navigate through them.

we see programs like that throughout the country. we have a program called ready to run in a similar program to help women make the decision whether or not they want to run, train them and give them the tools to run and also support people who work on campaigns. as diana noted, working as a campaign manager is really importanaseed more women in thoe roles. host: a viewer asked this question -- guest: great question. women are more likely to be democrats so it's not exactly a 141. overall, if you look at the population breakdown in terms of party identification, women are more likely to identify as democrats but they are much more likely to be in office as democrats. there are different ways to break it down but the majority of elected officials in congress

and state legislatures and statewide elected officeholders who are women, the majority are democrats. an even better way to break down the data is to say of all democrats in office, women are -- depending on the level of office, they are usually at least or around 35-40% of those officeholders when we look at state legislatures. i think we are at about 20 states that have a female majority among the democratic caucus so when we talk about getting parity, we are seeing that much moreic side of the ai. on the flipside among republicans, women tend to be on average anywhere from 12-20% of officeholders and that will range by state legislature as well. in no place are they at or near parity with their male counterparts. there are real partisan

disparities and that means as we think about what we do to increase women's representation, we have to think about how those strategies and approaches might need to differ in terms of the democratic par and the democratic electorate versus the republican party and electorate. host: this is a conversation with kelly ditmar you can call us at. (202) 748-8000 for democrats, republicans (202) 748-8001 an independents (202) 748-8002■j.ad it women in the audience want to talk about issues of policies and running for office, this is joe in new jersey, republican line. caller: hello, i don't really think it matters whether a representative is a man or a woman they do an adequate job for the american people. it sounds as if your guess is more interested in increasing quotas because they are women. i would like to ask your guest what she thinks are the unique

qualities that women bring to the process of legislation that makes them more qualified than men to be legislators? guest: that's a great question. we get this all the time. there is a false perception that what we are arguing is that we need to just check a box. folks use these terms like quotas and say is not meritorious and women don't have the skills or qualifications, we shouldn't just let them in. we know that's false. ere lots of research that shows that diversity and representation in elected office in other areas of public ence. what the argument is as joe said that women are more qualified but in fact there are some research showing they come into office with more qualifications because of their things that

force them to be more qualified in order to be successful. putting that aside, our argument in the argument of the research to date including some from our own center is that the conversations change when women are at the table. if you assume that there are no differences in how men and women experience life in the united states, then sure, it might not make a difference but if you look at every statistic by every measure, economics, health, education, we know that women have distinct lived experiences. they have less accrued wealth, they are more likely to have specific health challenges including areas of reproductive health. they are more likely to be the primaryof not only young people but the elderly. they are more likely to experience sexual violence and assault. what that means is when they are not at the table making policy, that perspective, that lived experience, those concerns are

not beingitized. we saw this very obviously in aca debates when there was a male senator said i don't understand why we should be covering maternity care. it took a female senator saying to him that i think your mom or your wife or your daughter probably does understand why this federal health care should cover an area of women's health. we could go through all the en and where women have fought for those perspectives and have pushed the envelope in terms of what we prioritize. i think we spend a lot of time trying to argue that this is a bout just checking a box when we well know that the experiences of men and women are different and among women, we want to have a diversity of women at intersections of race, sexuality, class because all of those will bring different lived experiences that translate into impact in office. host: independent line from

virginia, hello. christopher in virginia? i'm sorry. caller: i'm actually calling on behalf of my sister who has lyme disease and she wanted me to ask this question. around the time that aoc came into government, there was a record number of women entering government. she is wondering if that number has generally stayed the same or if it has fluctuated and if it has fluctuated, in which direction, negative or positive? thank you for your time. guest: thank you for that question. we did see a record high of women running for office 2018 as the caller noted with women like aoc among that groupf a

new class of young, diverse women running and winning elective office. i think being quite disruptive in a positive way of our expectations of who could and should run. since then, we saw high levels of women running again in 2020 thoughre on the republican side. that was a year where we saw an increase of republican women. i would suggest that part of that was because they saw the democratic women's success in 2018 and said this is not the only party that can elect more women so you saw a record number of republican women in 2020. in 2022 at least as of now in 2024, we are not hitting those record levels. this is something for us to watch for and be attentive to the progress. we have to keep that momentum up to encourage women to run am. there was a recent study put out by our folks at the brennan

center that talk about the violence, harassment that women face when they are in office but we know this is true as well for candidates and we know it's distinct in ways for women and people of color. they are racialized, harassed in the sexual violence they face in a makes a more difficult for somebody to say i want to serve in this environment. we have to address those problems as well to continue tht and support for women who do want to run for office to make it possible. host: that caller was from virginia. abigail spanberger and now she would run for governor in 20 five. guest: when you look at states that haven't had women governors, we still have quite a few states that have never elected a woman. in this case, trying to make history in her own way there. for her to make this declaration early and get this campaign

going, that is really important. we know running for governor is something that is expensive and hard. starting early may prove to be advantageous to her and we want to identify other places and states where women have the potential to be successful especially as we look ahead to the following year when we will have more gubernatorial seats up in 2026. host: let's hear from alyssa, independent line. caller: i have a question. i had a felony in 2001 in indiana. e from being able to vote. i've voted in 2008. i moved here to tennessee and

i'm having a really hard time getting able to be able to vote. ■know what to do. i've talked to the county and i've talked to them, the voter registration people and they say i've got to talk to the county or wherever. it's where i was disenfranchised. i cannot get any kind of answer. there's no communication with anybody. vote. host: stay on the line and keep listening and we will get a response. guest: i'm sorry you're having that problem. i think this is indicative of the fact that there are often too many barriers to allow people their constitutional right to vote. this is something that a lot of organizations are trying to fight against. i mentioned the brennan center

about some recent research they had done on officeholders but they also do a lot of work on voter access and voter enfranchisement and i wonder if that might be a good resource for you, somebody outside of government if you are hitting walls for folks in government at least in your state. you might reach out to some of these nonprofit organizations who are doing work on voter enfranchisement and reach out and see if they can provide asst you to make sure you're getting to the right folks to make sure you have that right. it is a constitutional right for you to be able to exercise. i would appreciate the time you are taking to make sure that you have that right. the brennan center is one example and there other voter rights organizations that you might seek out that can try to assist you in navigating often g bureaucracy to make sure you are on the voter rolls. host: to look at this coming

election in november when it comes to aear at, they estimated that 58% of womenho vofo biden and then the 36 percent of women who voted for former president trump , you go back to 20, those margins were for candidate biden 55% in president trump 44%. overall, the role of women in the issues important to them this november, how would you list those? guest: i think what we are seeing again as we see in most elections is the to@$issues are how are people feeling in terms of their economic security, their actual security in their communities, guns and violence. people are focused including women on their day-to-day lives and how they can protect and do well themselves but also their families and their immediate communities. you will see questions aroun

cost-of-living, cost of groceries, cost of gas. those things are putting pressure and they will be equally to women as men and often, women more because they often manage budgets of households and things like that. those are top of mind i think that's not unique on any election cycle. in addition to that, we will be watching other issues that are distinctly gendered in terms of their impact. reproductive rights obviously is something that campaigns are using to mobilize voters and it is mobilizing to women but we have to understand that's an issue that is actually more divided by gender. there are men and women who are very pro-life. there are men and women who are very pro-choice but we do see women more on the progressive pro-choice side be even more mobilize to come out and vote on this issue. you will s the democrats use

that issue to try to energize and engage women voters coming into this cycle. it's not the most important issue to women voters somethingt and may motivate them as they see challenges to reproductive rights across state legislatures. host: california, republican line. caller: hello. i think women can be in politics and can do a good job. i was just talking to -- just stick to the truth and stick to the facts and don't exaggerate anything like elizabeth warren claiming she was an indian and aoc crying at the border. hillary clinton saying she took on gunfire. maxine waters getting in people's faces and kamala harris -- she came back to the bay area and her hometown and nobody was

out there waving flags for her. all right, thank you. host: do you want to respond? guest: yeah, we just have to be equally critical. we have a former president who now the nominee for the republican side who is in fact been convicted of lying time and time again and most recently inflating his own economic background and data. this is a problem for politicians across the board but i think we weaponize it often against women even more if they are perceived to have any ethical viotion or we don't like what they are saying, it's often a point of critique to say they are liars or exaggerator's. we should be really critical across the board to folks engage in that type of hyperbole or misinformation. host: this is kelly dittmarnd yn

ask your questions of the role women play in politics, (202) 748-8000 for democrats, (202) 748-8001 for republicans and independents (202) 748-8002. if you want to text us your thoughts, that's (202) 748-8003. guest: we are a research organization. we don't work ones or support se nonpartisan. it doesn't mean that we don't work alongside groups like emily's list which is a progressive organization more on the republican side. organizations try to support republican women. where we work with them often is to have conversations and use them as a source of information often direct folks who come to us were looking for partisan

support to go to them and we also analyze the work they do to try to say how successful or how impactful have these organizations been on moving the needle. we are very aware and honestly grateful on both sides of the sle that these organizations exist to support women but we don't directly support them or engage in shared projects on a or candidate supporting side because that would be outside of the scope of our work. host: some research you did, taking look at the topic of rethinking women's political power. for those of don't have the ability to readjust, what are you hoping to achieve? guest: we did a deep dive into five states. what we wanted to challenge was the idea that just measuring the percentage of women or the number of women in office was enough to tell us how much political power women have in any given state. we tried to examine political

power and defined it within five state ecosystems, illinois, oklahoma, georgia, nevada. nevada is a state where women have majority of state legislative seats in oklahoma being one of the states of the lowest representation of women across the board. we talked to about a dozen political actors across the state and dug into where the sites are for power and influence, are they all elected? what are the unelected sites. how do we support women to ensure they are across andinflue also tried to look at and address partisan barriers in racial and ethnic barriers and intersect with gender to make it hard to accrue that power. we want to challenge everybody to think a little bit differently about how we mea]eoy

sites and support systems to get more women in those positions of influence. host: the work can be found at their website if you want to check it out. let's hear from mayla in florida, republican line. i like to ask her whate. she thinks about abortion that thetic party platform allows up to seconds before birth. guest: i would just say as i noted, our organization is a nonpartisan research center so we don't take a position on issues including abortion. i would leave it there and leave my personal opinions out of it. host: lou in illinois, democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. i'd like to thank you very much forexcuse me, i've got three

granddaughters that are counting on you. my second comment is the men in this country depend upon intelligent, rational women to go forward because women's issues affect men's issues. women's economics affect men's economics. for example, the abortion issue is a man's issue as well is a woman's issue. a man gets a woman pregnant, his whole future and life can depend upon whether she continues with that pregnancy or not. to thank you for all the work you are doing. thank you very much. guest: thank you and thanks for he

language of allies and advocacy and it really matters that men are in this work and men recognize the value of women's representation. often, men have been in positions of parent to decide whether or not women are recruited to run and whether they have the financial support to be successful and even in the home whether or not they are given the support ty need to be able to go out there and run for and served in elective office. it's always important to include men in the conversation as well as in the strategies to change these dynamics we've been talking about. host: kelly dittmar, what faces women of color as they run for office? guest: it's not universal to say all women of color face x know race and ethnicity and particularly the very deep-seated racialized biases we have in the united states on the cross different political ecosystems create distinct

environments for black women, four and injured us women, latinos and asians. we have to understand the unique challenges that those women face. for exampler black women, they have been the face and the foundation of the democratic party in terms of voters but they have not always got the return on their investment in terms of party leaders saying we are going to support you to run statewide. we have one black woman in the senate. we have no black women who's been governor. those challenges to bees supported both financially and politically at the highest levels are distinct. if you look at the asian committee, there have been challenges within theculturallyn positions of high level leadership and see it as appropriate. that's ong their own members

of the community and that has been true in some aspects of latino communities where women have said it's a challenge to dynamics and expectations for what we are supposed to do. we have to be really clear that there are distinct challenges and when we think about strategies that target and support women of color, we have to create culturally competent solutions that are run and led by women in those communities really understand what those challenges are. as i mentioned, we talked about financial challenges -- when you have communities that it been historically disenfranchised and left out and marginalized in our economy,reae challenges when we get to expensive job of running for office. host: springfield, pennsylvania, caller: hi, i was wondering if you could tell me -- i might have missed it while i was talking to the guy on the phone.

could you tell me what party you are aligned with more or less. i had another question but i can't think of it right now, sorry. guest:as i said before, our cens nonpartisan research center so we approach our work ithis as somebody who is not worried about partisan orientation but looking at the ways we can move the needle for women whether it's democratic or republican. or even thinking about the role of women in third party politics. host: let's do one more call from ginger in delaware, democrats line. caller: hello. host: you are on. caller: i just wanted to put in a good word for our representative and get the guest comment about th evolution of women's politics in delaware.

our congresswoman is lisa rochester and she is going to be running for the senate seat because senator carver is retiring. i'd like to hear her comment -- we have had a woman governor. she want a statewide election. guest: absolutely. caller: what do you think of her chances? guest: i'm glad that you raised this issue because as i was saying, there is only one black woman currently in the senate and only three black women who ever served in the u.s. senate. plisa rochester is currently a member of the u.s. congress in delaware will be running and very likely to win that race in november will likely be the first black woman to serve in the u.s. senate area with their other black women running throughout the country but she is best poised and could potentially be the only black

woman again as we go into 2025. it's a clear reminder to both celebrate that milestone and celebrate her representation and her trajectory but also remind us that the fact that we are still talking about only for black women ever in the senate with potentially only one black woman serving next year that we have a lot more work to do to create the path that somebody like lisa rochester and then ran it was successful at the house level now running for senate, how do we create that level of support and trajectory for other black women across states? host: what would be your message to women who want to become more politically engaged either by running for office or addressing boating issues?■ñ wh i would first say we need women to be engaged and involved in whatever that looks like for you whether it's in voting, participating through advocacy, being an unelected citizen of

public service were elected one. we take that seriously. i think youy! can go to the cenr for american women in politics where we have a political power map. you can find it as a research of different organizations that do support women in politics not only to run for office but if you are interested in that, there are training and financial support and leadership develop in programs and that might be a place to start to get the nuts and bolts. if you are interested in issues, find the i that motivates you the most, learn more and look for organizations and communities that are advocating on those issues and see how you can get involved host: cawp. rutgers is the website.

>> live to the white house now where president biden is expected to comment on today's bridge collapse in baltimore.

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francis scott key bridge. we expect to hear from the president shortly. live coverage on c-span.

>> again waiting for president biden's remarks on the bridge collapse in baltimore. the baltimore sun reports a container ship issued a mayday as a trans first towards the iconic bridge -- as it traversed towards the iconic bridge. it had departed the port of baltimore only 30 minutes prior and immediately toppling the central mid-atlantic thoroughfare. as of tuesday at about 11:00 authorities were still searching for six unaccounted for construction workers that had been repairing potholes at the

time. two others were rescued. one was hospitalized and another refused transport. extensive rescue efforts are ongoing. we expect comments from the president in just a moment here on c-span. >> people opposed to the abortion drug -- that case being heard at 10:00 today. if you want to listen in on the oral arguments you can do so on this network on this program shortly after 10:00 or follow along on our website at c-spnow. when it comes to the collapse of the francis scott key bridge in maryland, there is reporting of the president's awareness. cnn's betsy klein on at same joe

biden has been briefed and the search-and-rescue efforts. more comments on that bridge collapse in the early morning hours as the day progresses. stay close to c-span for that. the house is coming in for a short pro forma session. that will take place in about 10 minutes. we will go to it when the house does take it and then we will come back with your calls right afterwards. as we start open forum let's hear from kimberly in california. caller: i would like to make a comment from the last guest you had on your show and she was mentioning about women in politics and everything. i'm not sure it would have a smart idea to have too many women because every job i have ever held that was led by mainly

women was a disaster. most of the jobs i've held that was led by males ran smoothly. women in politics, maybe a little bit in some areas but not to make major decisions. host: what is the difference in your opinion? caller: men seem to look at it as a sport. they are more strategic. not to put women down or anything because i am a female -- every job i've ever held that was ran by men ran smoothly. host: kimberly in california. let's hear from lewis in florida. democrats line. lewis in florida. you are on. go ahead. caller: i've b at

your program last few months and i had to get through. make america great again. america is great again. this guy is going for the presidency of the united states. this is a guy that says if i win the election it is not fixed, if i lose it is fixed. i do not know what you call that. i do not know if we have two different hearing systems. i think we are all humans. then there is the call in georgia and a person who sounds just like mr. trump is asking someone to change the vote. i think you call that a fix. i think people watch the -- what you call it --ited.

host: thank you for calling and thank you for watching. let's hear from david in texas. caller: wanted to talk about the reduction in ther amount trump had put out yesterday. you had a caller earlier from the construction industry talking about businesses and what they go through and the valuations with banks. he was right. that is the construction industry. it is very different from real estate. i work at a real estate trust in cafornia for years. i worked in the hotel division and was involved in doing hotel appraisals and we bought hotels for the company and we would always go out, nobody relied on anybody else.

people need to understand they never talk about it in this case or any other, how does somebody value a building? a commercial building?it is nott cost to build. you do these forecasts as an example. the first hotel we looked at to buy was in scottsdale arizona. it wasuilt foron -- for $7.5 million. the next year he wanted $12 million for it. there is no way inflation accounted for that. the only thing to say is he put such a good business operation and you look at the last year of that operating forecast based on what you think your marketing people can do and your team can

do in the prev x dollars, we think we can do better. host: if that is the case, what is most applicable to what the former president faces? caller: you problem is you have the judge talking about $18 million from mar-a-lago. they are selling for $200 million right now. the people that are involved in these things do not accept anybody else's numbers anyway. host: i apologize. thank you for the perspective. caller: i want to say i am so upset with the justice system and how they allowing trump --■w

what kind of example are they setting? he is getting away with stuff. it was supposed to put up $454 million. they delay it. they reduce it to $175 million. he is getting away with everything. like they say, justice delayed is justice denied. it is so unfair for the average american who could never get away with anything like that. what are you saying to us poor amerff like that? that if you are rich? he has admitted he has this money. do they give him 10 more days and lower the time, and then the judge in florida now he is not going to trial. i am so upset with the justice

system, sodisillusioned. i would like to see people stepping up and saying more and doing more. thank you. host: the house coming in for the pro forma session in about three minutes. let's hear from billy in north carolina. republican line. caller: good morning my fellow americans. i would like to congratulate donald trump with his ultimate win yesterday. i would like to get him with kelly and know what she would have thought about what james carville said about women, a bunch of nags in that type of thing. he had apparently been discredited on both sides. i would like to know what her thoughts were. donald trump, as far as his , that took off with -- we have bernie made off who took off with billions of dollars. he had a $10 million bond.

the other guy that had the commercial set up that he had a ponzi scheme going on, billions of dollars, sahing with him. yet we are going to go after donald trump and take his business. on that handan made a billion dollars yesterday. he just started on the new york stock exchange selling on his truth social, which we all should join. than you, america. host: like a viewer has said, axios joining nasdaq and trading under the letters djt. let's hear from phil in colorado springs. we have less than a minute. caller: for all of the maga supporters you would think if donald trump is innocent he would want a fast trial to prove he is innocent and quit all the financial bleeding he is doing

with the lawyers he is paying. common sense would tell you to get it over with and get it done fast if he is innocent phil -- host: phil in colorado. here's what to expect throughout the remainder of the d.just aft0 you can turn into c-span and stay with us to watch the supreme court hearing taking a look at the question of the pill. protesters outside of the court alreadin the lead up to that. you can follow along on the argument on our main channel, you can follow along on the website, and you can also foowwn california, republican line, go ahead. caller: i am an american disabled veteran. i came home from vietnam on a cart and i would like to ask the

people that remembered us on march 29 and fellow veterans. i would also like -- for those who are in military office, peace officers, nurses, thank them for their service. for those who have seen combat, please welcome us home. l we wanted to do was come home. thank you. host: that is tom in california. we have a guest coming up next that will encourage people, per trip lee veterans to enter the applicable process -- particular veterans to enter e what would ? caller: there are people that are active. us people that are veterans and new longer in active duty, a lot -- pres. biden: good