must be strictly enforced. children of members will not be permitted on the floor. the cooperation of all members is requested. the practice of reserving seats prior to the joint meeting by placard will not be allowed. members may reserve their seats by physical presence only following the security sweep of the chamber. pursuant to the order of the house of tuesday, april 9, 2024, the house stands in recess subject to the call of the chair.

the speaker tried to move to vote on reauthorizing section 702 of the foreign intelligence act. 19 republicans, you are not one of them, blocked that move. how do you feel about the reauthorization of 702? guest: is important but only if we get the necessary reforms that protect the citizens of the country. the fbi and other agencies, we have numerous examples and we have to make sure we are protecting the constitutional rights of all of us. we need to have a warrant requirement any time they are going to surveilled or search the records of american citizens. there are other reforms we have all agreed to in terms of making sure we can protect us and rein in these administrative

agencies. host: congressman, was that made to the speaker after the doors were closed? guest: we have been talking last fall. we are actually the committee of jurisdiction and we have put together what we believe of the very best reforms. the battle is between the intelligence committee and the judiciary committee. i am on the side of civil liberties and make sure we are contacting the constitutional rights of american citizens. it is an important tool to protect the homeland, 702 is, but we have to make sure we are complying with the constitution. this session has been going on for quite some time. i am confident we are going to be able to resolve this issue

and that this will come back to the floor and hopefully the rule will pass so we can vote on the amendment. host: when will they come back to the floor? guest: i don't have a date for that. i know it will expire in the next week or 10 days of something we need to move on fairly quickly. but at the same time, the american people are protected. our flagship intelligence agencies are able to continue to do their job. but whether they are able to use a database and surveillance search the records of american citizens without getting a warrant. that is one of the biggest battles we have right now. host: you said this is between the house did this year he committee members and house intelligence committee members. you land on the house of the judiciary. where does the speaker land? guest: i don't know if i can answer that question. i will let him speak for himself.

he was a member of the judiciary committee. he recognizes and understands the challenges he has here and the arguments we are making as to why we must make sure we are enforcing and adhering to the fourth amendment of the united states constitution. host: the decision yesterday try to put this on the floor angered some republicans, marjorie taylor greene, who already was upset about a possible move to put aid to ukraine on the floor, has the vote to vacate the chair. what do you think is the status of mike johnson serving as speaker? guest: right now he is the speaker of the house. he is in a difficult position and in slim majority. the republicans don't walk in lot -- lock step. we are independent-minded minded and independent thinkers and

that is in contrast the democrats. i think people make much too big of a deal of this. the reality is this is the way a democratic republic is supposed to work. we are supposed to have debates and discussion and be fighting for the issues important to us and our constituency. this is the way governing is going to be if you are going to make sure people all have a voice and is the way government should operate. we should not be making these decisions behind closed doors and announcing to the masses what the laws are going to be. we have to debate and discuss and listen to each other and to voice our own opinions and then move forward with what will be the consensus. this is just an example of that. it is a difficult issue after we have seen the abuses of section 702 over the last few years, the investigation into donald trump, the russia russia collusion hoax

, the surveillance of conservative catholics, the attack on parents who are simply going to a school board meeting and voicing their opinion about how their children are being treated and what they are being taught. the fbi has strayed from their mission and in their efforts and responsibility of protecting our civil liberties at the same time they are doing their investigations. that is why we are having this battle. when you look at what the fbi has been doing and the department of justice, if you believe in the constitution and individual liberty and limited government and you do not believe the government should be engaging in some of the things they have, then you will land on the side where i am, which means we need to have reforms of 702 so it cannot be abused. that is the debate playing out in front of the american people and it is appropriate and reasonable for us to be talking

about these things, battling this out and having the discussion. hopefully we can get to the place where we have the necessary reforms to make sure the fbi and department of justice cannot do what they have been doing over the last several years. host: the congressman here to talk about the legislative agenda. we want to invite you to join in and ask questions or comment. let's talk about a to ukraine. you support it? guest: not the way it is situated now. there are several things we need to address before we suggest sending billions of dollars more. we have a crisis on our border that has never been seen in this country before. i have been seeing -- been to the border three times. we have a terrible crisis on our border. we have over 10 million illegal aliens that have invaded this country over the last three

years. we have a budget crisis, 34 trillion dollars in debt and growing every single second. we cannot get any accountability as to how our money is being sent to ukraine and whether it is getting to the front lines where it is supposed to be. we have no metric by which we know whether we are prevailing in this battle are not. nobody will tell me. we constantly hear there has to be a cease-fire in israel and israel has to stop and they cannot go further into gaza. at the same time we have a war that has gone on in ukraine for the last three years and the few times in the leadership in ukraine has said maybe we need to sit down at the table and figure out if we can get a cease-fire and talk about where we are going, the biden administration jumped in and said no, no cease-fire here. we are not coming to the table. why would be not have that discussion? that makes no sense to me.

i don't know if this is supposed to be a proxy war and if it is, what are we fighting? we can't get that information and this administration refuses to share that information with congress on how the end goal is and how our money is being spent. host: the scenario where the speaker put on the floor a ukraine aid bill and reauthorization of section 70 two of fisa and it passes with democratic -- 702 of fisa and it passes with democrats? guest: i hope mike johnson doesn't do what you have described and hope he does not put an aid package on the floor without republican support and i also hope that in terms of section 702, we are having the debate right now as to what are the necessary reforms for section 702 two pfizer and why

they are important for protecting the citizens of this country. i hope he doesn't do that but we will address it when it arises. i would be very disappointed. i do not think that we should be revising section 700 to alas until until we have protections to make sure the fbi and department of justice have not been able to do what they have been doing for the last couple of years. host: a couple issues you heard her talk about you can ask her about and also she is one of the 11 impeachment managers in the effort against homeland security secretary alejandra mayorkas. edward in keyport, new jersey, independent. caller: good morning. my thing with you guys is that let's say you have all these grand plans you want to deport

the immigrants and build concentration camps and fly people out of here, you are short construction workers, airplane pilots. you are whipping up this rhetoric and promises you can't keep. what will happen when these people find out you can't do any of the things you are trying to do and you have a violent mob of people across the country that you whipped up into a frenzy? i would like one of you to come and present democrats speaking anything close to the things you say on a daily basis. i don't see democrats saying these violent things. they are talking about fixing health care and getting medication and helping people doing things. you constantly come to the table with his terrible rhetoric. host: give us an example of the rhetoric so the congresswoman can respond. caller: things about poisoning

the nation and demonizing the other. host: so rhetoric on immigrants. caller: i think a lot of these statements made by the gentlemen are not true. if you want to talk about violence, go back to the summer of 2020 and you can see where in the violence arises from. it is not from the right side of the aisle it is from the left side. we have lost over 100,000 people to fat no -- to fentanyl that crossed our border because there is no border. we have 10 million illegal immigrants that have come into this country in the last three years. we know they have brought massive amounts of drugs into the country. it is the scourge of our communities. don't misstate what is said and then create a straw man and asked me to respond to it. i haven't brought up any violent

rhetoric. i am saying countries have borders for a reason. the fact that we are talking about ukraine, the very battle of the war in ukraine is to protect the borders. that is what it is about. we have immigration laws for a reason. when i look at the border and the crisis down there, i look at the human trafficking. i look at the drug smuggling. yesterday we had a hearing in the oversight committee at the natural resources committee and we had tribal members from montana and arizona talking about and testified about the cartels that have moved in on their reservations and what it is doing to their people. the violence, murder, addiction, destruction of the family. it was one of the most emotional committees i have ever attended, listening to these gentlemen describe what they are doing trying to save the next

generation because mexican cartels are on their reservations because of the open border. the promises i am making and what i would like to say is we need to enforce the immigration law as it is written right now, which mayorkas and joe biden are not doing. we need to protect the homeland from the invasion we are seeing. from the standpoint of the policies, the policies i want to implement and i advocate for our to protect american citizens from the kind of criminal activity that we are seeing because of that open border and invasion we are seeing, mostly on the southern border but the northern border as well. host: you are one of the impeachment managers against the secretary. what impeachable effect has he violated? guest: he is instructing his employees to violate the law. the law is very clear that when there is going to be a parole it

should be done on a case-by-case basis and for a very specific reason. if family units came into the united states and the little boy got sick and needed to be taking to the hospital, you would let them go with him to the hospital but as soon as he was released, they would be brought back to the border. mayorkas and biden are implementing a law that violates in terms of asylum. the asylum law says if you're seeking asylum, you have to go to a port of entry. you cannot go into the other areas such as the tucson area. the people crossing and not going to the port are illegally entering and not entitled to asylum in this country. if they seek asylum, the person either has to be detained or

detained in custody or kept in the country of origin. the catch and release program is a direct violation of the law but it is already on the books. when mae arcus took his oath of -- mayorkas took his oath and said he would up told -- uphold the constitution and he also took it that he would enforce the law as written and he has refused to do that. he has issued orders to his employees to not enforce the law. i don't know how anybody can say that when you are a cabinet level position and are an employee of the federal government that you have the right to completely ignore what the law is and refused to carry it out. why would we not want people to be held accountable when they refused to comply with the law? host: we will go to jail and in

minnesota, democratic caller. caller: i have some questions. the first one is the border which is being so enthusiastically spoken about. my understanding is the border is not fully funded to enforce the laws already in place to detain people safely in this country. i'm really not happy with that. i would like to speak as well about gaza. i think that after the attack on israel our support of israel was fine. however, as i have watched thousands of people starving to death on the streets of gaza and their children being killed and the inability to access medical care has become a horror story. question it strongly.

one of the reasons i am sympathetic to israel is because of the holocaust. how is it they can sit and watch the holocaust of the palestinians and not respond in a humanistic way? host: congresswoman, your response? guest: i think the people to blame here is hamas. this could end tomorrow if hamas released their hostages and complied with the cease-fire. there was a cease-fire in place on october 6. hamas violated that and murdered almost 1300 israelis in one of the most horrific attacks i have ever seen. i recently read an editorial that i feel describes the situation in gaza. what hamas is doing is one of the first times in history that a government is actually using

its people suffering and escalating its own people suffering in order to win a war. the vast majority when you look at what happened during world war ii or world war i or vietnam, government tried to take their civilians and their own citizens. in this circumstance, gaza is using their civilians as the frontline to prevent israel from being able to win this war. i am not going to sit here and second-guess what israel is doing or second-guess what is happening in gaza. hamas is responsible for this. if hamas wanted it to end it would end tomorrow. this is not israel's responsibility. they are trying to win a war so they can protect themselves from an october 7 ever happening again. i find it bizarre that we actually have this viewpoint

that it is israel's responsibility to protect the civilians in gaza when hamas is using them as the target. hamas themselves are trying to increase the civilian deaths so they can blame israel and get the exact reaction we are getting from some of the people here in the united states and around the world. when you are at war there is no such thing as -- you can't have any kind of collateral damage. that is what hamas invited when they did what they did on october 7. israel has got to win this war. they are the tip of the spear in terms of protecting western civilization. what happened on october 7 was so unbelievably barbaric, we can never allow something like that to happen again. when we take the side of hamas,

we are encouraging that kind of behavior. if they want to end this and protect civilians they can do it tomorrow. host: congress willie -- congresswoman harriet hageman. she is serving in her first term. at last issue, on natural resources, energy is a big issue for your state. you have been critical of the biden administration's policies. what is happening with industry in wyoming? guest: i do not believe in energy poverty and i do not believe our government should be adopting policies that result in energy poverty. that is something i am fighting against. we have affordable, clean, reliable energy. we have oil and gas reserves, uranium, hydropower. we had the ability to power this country for decades and decades

and decades to come. it makes absolutely no sense to me. i would describe it as one of my friends does, we have the lords of scarcity or champions of abundance. i want to be a champion of abundance. i want people to have clean and reportable and reliable energy so that is the basis of our prosperity. we will continue to produce energy and produce coal and produce oil and gas because we need it for our society and to power this country. the idea that we are going to go to unreliable energy and that is going to be the only thing we have available, the moment that happens we become a third world country. the wind and solar are neither reliable or affordable. if they were reliable and affordable they wouldn't require the subsidies. we are going to use oil to continue to power a country. host: how necessary is it to the wyoming economy?

guest: it is necessary for the entire united states economy. it is necessary for new york, florida, california. we simply cannot have the level of commerce. you cannot have the prosperity we do in this country without our fossil fuels. it is not possible. it is important to the wyoming economy but the entire economy of this country. host: we appreciate the conversation with you. thank you for talking to our viewers. guest: thank you. host: we are going to go to open forum. any public policy you can respond what you heard from the two members of congress this morning or other issues that we have talked about, ukraine, israel, abortion, policy and reauthorization of section 702 of the surveillance act.

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scene when the two leaders toast each other at the end of the evening. all of the pageantry was there. guests coming into the white house and the two couples coming down to pose for pictures before they went into the dinner. there was the arrival on the south lawn. you can find all of our coverage if you go to c-span.org of yesterday's visit. the headline from that toast is invoking star trek as he and biden toast u.s.-japan alliance at the state dinner. the japanese prime minister will go for a joint meeting of congress today and delivered remarks at 11:00 a.m. eastern time. you can tune in on c-span to watch that.

also happening on capitol hill, fbi director christopher wray will testify on the president's request for the fbi 2025 budget. we will have coverage at 2:00 p.m. eastern on c-span three, c-span now, or c-span.org. they will likely ask about reauthorization of 702. that can be part of our conversation as we move to open forum. pat, virginia, a republican. caller: hi, greta. i found you. the reason i am calling is it is unconstitutional and we should not be renewing it. host: why do you think it is unconstitutional to begin with? caller: it is spying on people without a warrant and invading

privacy. the thing of it is that if 100 million people say and do something silly, it is still silly. founding fathers put the constitution together ironclad. i have watched over the years as congress and others have attempted to break that constitution. that constitution is ironclad. i don't think we need section 702. host: as a reminder from earlier this morning, section 702 allows intelligence agencies to conduct warrantless surveillance of non-citizens outside the united states. some can sneak in if americans are talking with non-us citizens overseas. data is collected and stored in

a database that intelligence agencies can tap as part of other investigations. the concern is when american communications, emails, texts are caught up in these fisa investigations. bill in new jersey, independent. caller: i am calling because of the national debt. i am making a suggestion. people pay social security up to $134,000. once they make over 134 thousand dollars, the social security stops. i suggest that everybody should pay social security on their earnings no matter how much they earn. if they did this, the amount of money going to social security will probably triple and make social security solid, nobody would have to worry about

running out of money. i would suggest that if they do this that for the first i would say 10 years, the social security paid by the worker would go into the social security fund and the other half paid by the employer would go into a special fund that would be used to pay down the national debt. once the national debt is paid down to a certain level, the bill should say that the national debt can never go above this amount. if they did that, there would be so much money that wouldn't be wasted and they could stop beating people up to get more people out of them every day. host: we will go to donald in washington state, republican. what is on your mind? caller: i haven't talked to you

in a a while. it is nice to see you guys. it is a good show today. i started watching c-span in 2016. what brought me in was parental rights. i got in 30 days ago for calling in on a lake county, montana courthouse judge, christopher. wanted to let the audience know that she has been polled and resigned for her misconduct. the motion to disqualify against this judge has come down from the montana supreme court that she acted egregiously and i highly encourage everyone to read into this and i do believe that she even has criminal charges pending against her for her egregious behavior against the citizens of montana. if you could please pull this up

on the daily montana and. it is all of our montana news right now. host: we will go to gary in st. louis, missouri. independent. are you there, gary? one last time for gary in st. louis, missouri. caller: thank you so much for having the congressman from wyoming on. it is proof that c-span is doing a great job i want to address to point that she had. she mentioned how we had these natural resources under our feet. what she did not address is that

the ones pulling it are private corporations. private corporations then sell it on the world market. the same corporations selling the natural resources on the world market are the same companies charging us extraordinary amounts at the pump for every american. she mentioned having an impeachment for someone who is not doing their job. however, congress, by the constitution, is supposed to pass a budget. this is a constitutional requirement to pass a budget, which they have not done for decades. if you want to talk about impeaching people who have not done their job, let's talk to every congressman and congresswoman have not passed a budget. host: gary in west virginia, democratic caller. caller: good morning. i am with the gentleman.

i listened to the congressman talk about israel and hamas and all that. if she would look into what she said, she said exactly what is going on in ukraine. they are fighting for their life against an invader the same thing as the israelis are. you have that part. plus all of the drugs coming across the border have been coming across for so many years that nobody has ever stopped it. they are not going to stop it. these people are determined to get them in here and they will get it across the border. i don't care if they bring it underwater, they have made submarines that they have caught . the coast guard and navy have caught so many submarines bringing in the drugs on all of the coasts.

that is just how it is. thank you very much. host: wallace, lakeland, florida, republican. caller: the congresswoman, i enjoyed that talk that she had. these people keep talking about impeachments and all of that. i wanted to ask the congresswoman why biting himself doesn't have an impeachment going against him. they tried to impeach trump twice over bull crap. , he refuses to do anything. our nation is at risk. host: that is wallace in lakeland, florida.

howard, north carolina, democratic caller. caller: the congresswoman, i'm sure everyone wants to talk to her but it was a quick session. one thing she didn't say in the republicans don't say anything about it is abortion. last year, there were over 65,000 women were raped and that is the ones they know about. and not one time did anyone come up with stats to show america how many people are getting raped in america each day. that is bad but then they have to carry the rapists baby. i don't understand why they won't speak on that matter. if you ask me, that is worth and what is going on in israel and ukraine for my people in

america. it is sad the republicans don't want to do anything. they know they are in cahoots with the russians and might get caught. host: the homeland security secretary which we talked about with the congresswoman from wyoming and the impeachment effort against him. he was on capitol hill yesterday testifying twice. he was asked about the administration's record on the border. here is what he had to say and the role he believes congress should play. [video clip] >> in the last 11 months we have removed 600 30,000 individuals who did not have a legal basis to stay, more than in every fiscal year since 2013. the president's budget would further expand these efforts. it provides 29.5 billion dollars

for enforcement. a separate $265 million would be used by u.s. cis to boast -- bolster lawful pathways and ensure protection remains assessable for those who qualify under our laws. our immigration system, however, is fundamentally broken, including the a silent -- asylum system that impacts the security of our borders. only congress can fix our broken and outdated system and only congress can address the need for more border patrol agents, a silent officers in facilities and technology. our administration works closely with a bipartisan group of senators to reach an agreement on a national security supplemental package, when that make -- would make -- would give the tools and resources to meet

the challenges. we remain ready to work with you to pass this bipartisan agreement. host: twice yesterday testifying about the budget for his department. the house impeached the homeland security secretary recently. the senate is now waiting for the articles of impeachment to come over from the house. that was delayed this week and expected to happen next week. robert in indiana, republican. caller: i have so many things i could talk about but we are doomed. this country is in trouble. i don't know why that the democrats think that biden is doing such a great job. he knows nothing about his job but we need -- we need somebody

in there. trump was doing a good job and had the border closed. biden has to be responsible too. host: douglas in pennsylvania, democratic caller. >> -- caller: i am a retired disabled combat vet. i was at ground zero during 9/11 in new york. the fisa act is there for that reason. it is there to pick up on chatter to find out what is going on internationally for terrorism, global and domestic. that is why the bill is needed. it has been shut down for political reasons and helps with the drug trafficking. they are able to pick up on the

chatter in different things that happen in the world internationally so they can help protect our borders. that also helps with closing the borders down and keeping people out of the country who don't need to be here because they pick up chatter from different people. it is why the bill is there and needed. if they close the borders and all this stuff is going on with the borders and that bill, they need it to pass but not be used as a political ploy. host: what about adding an amendment that would require a warrant for any communication involving an american? caller: that would be acceptable. you have two different parties that are split. that is why right now i say no because you don't know what will happen with domestic terrorism. there was domestic terrorism chatter about the eclipse that they were talking about people attacking people during the

eclipse. there was chatter about that. host: marianne in minnesota, republican. caller: i haven't called for quite some time. i wanted to commend the congresswoman from wyoming. i wish she was one of ours for our state because she's always got everything researched. she can speak about any subject very intelligently. i mostly agree with everything she does. i kind of wish she could be vp. i wanted to agree with robert who set our country is in trouble. we have to realize all of this chaos is planned. the five something is like, i see why it is good in some ways but i am with her that we need the amendment to keep it so that

it has to be carefully looked at each time it is used and has been abused. i also wanted to talk to her. my tv went out to times when she was on but i didn't get to see part of her speaking. i really watched her on many senate and congress hearings and i really appreciate her. she is a good woman for our country. host: you can find that on our website, c-span.org. the usa today front page arizona abortion ban brings a new outcry. the attorney general in that state tuesday telling reporters that the ban would not be enforced and the supreme court upholding a 160 year old law,

unleashing fear is what the headline says. what happened yesterday in the state legislature in arizona. take a look. an effort by democrats was put forth to try to repeal the abortion ban. [video clip] [yelling] host: shouting shame and protect women's lives. that happens after the republicans in the state senate removed a bill from the agenda on wednesday. in the house, a republican lawmaker who had called for striking down the law made a motion to vote on a democratic repeal that was set down for

months and republican leaders stalled that. that is what happened in arizona after the state supreme court allowed that 160-year-old ban to go through. to him in florida, democratic caller -- tim in florida, democratic caller. caller: republicans complain about the border but had a chance to do something about it and threw senator langford under the bus because trump told them to. you have to work with the other side to get anything done. as far as the lady from wyoming, i agree israel has the right to defend themselves but they don't have the right to slaughter 40 or 50,000 people. why does she think the people in ukraine don't have the right to defend themselves should work i don't get it.

host: in indiana, independent. caller: could you refresh our memories on how they use the phis against trump when he was running? host: referring to the president -- former president putting on his truth social page that he wanted lawmakers to kill fisa, the word used in the statement. he said it was used against him after he put out that truth social statement, the house moved to vote to bring that legislation to the floor for reauthorization but it was blocked by 19 republicans who agreed with the former president. robert in arizona, republican. caller: i just want to say to a

lot of the callers, so many people that their news from so many wrong places. you now have the npr coming out and admitting they have done a terrible job at giving you correct information that is not biased. also please read the bill that came forward on immigration with. it tied at hands of people in the future of the congress, the senate, on what they could do. this is a problem and not just a problem for arizona, texas, california. it is a problem for the whole country. you can't have all these people coming into this country who don't want to abide by the laws of the country. would you please, people, understand that this country is

a business. it is just like if you have five different businesses in five different places within the united states, all competing for the same product. host: i want to read a little from the hill in reference to what the previous caller said about fisa and president trump's stance. quoting the president's statement yesterday, while the fbi secured a warrant to spy on trump campaign aide carter page, it omitted key information and excluded details that cut against the fbi's promise for surveillance. the intelligence chair mike turner noticed it but the reform package spearheaded by his committee is designed to address both programs. so as speaker johnson noted in

the intelligence committee has noted, they say they have addressed abuses in this reauthorization bill they wanted to put on the floor yesterday with reforms, the caller mentioned the npr backlash. here is the washington times this morning, npr under scrutiny after an essay gone viral. the long-standing liberal stance has gone off the rails. a veteran insider has an essay that raises new questions about political bias on the television network and radio. npr slated to get $91 million in the taxpayers from public broadcasting. the producer and editor for long time warned against defunding the organization but made the case for it chronicling the

coverage after trump's presidency and after george floyd. also coverage veered toward efforts to damage or topple trump's presidency and it became paramount in every aspect of the workplace. npr began to completely shut out viewpoints and diversity. you can read this essay or piece . it is available to google also online. , democrat. -- keith, democrat. caller: i want to apologize to c-span. i learned about your program a

year and a half ago and i was so excited because that this program was phenomenal. there should be more like it. i called in and the callers recording be calling in 600 times. i thought i had something to add but now i understand the program and hopefully i can go forward c-span because this program is phenomenal. hopefully i can continue talking with you. i want to say something about the border. i have said this over and over again. people need to go and read the policy. our policy on the border, i wouldn't say it is a crisis. i would say we have an issue with solving problems that have

incurred over the last few years, especially after covid and during covid. if you read the policies you will find there are so many ways people can enter this country and how many people can enter this country at one time or during the year, but one thing that i want to bring up about the border is what democrat on other side of the aisle, i'm not going to say democrat or republican, what democrat you have heard praoetedly say -- repeatedly sarbgs we have an open border? -- say, we have an open border? host: i'm going to leave it there because we're at the top of the hour and we want folks to call in, of course, but play along with our rules, wait 30 days between your calls so we can hear different voices. thank you for watching. that does it for today's program. i'll be back tomorrow morning,

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what's been the most important change in america? all this month we're featuring our top 21 winning entries this. year's second prize high school east winners are 12th graders from richland, northeast high school, in columbia, south carolina, where c-span is available through spectrum. their winning documentary which talks about decriminalizing homelessness and finding sustainable solutions is titled, from letters to legislation. >> all of us deserve a roof over our heads and a safe place to live. it's difficult to see our neighbors sleeping outside on cold nights or spending days under the summer sun. >> on september 28, 2023, six

organizations fighting homelessness in columbia, south carolina, composed this letter to the mayor of columbia asking him to repeal three ordinances recently passed. ordinances 2023079 and others allow for the arrest of anyone sleeping outside without a warning. make pot session of shopping carts illegal and crack down on the possession of drug paper. these organizations claim that these ordinances were inhumane and ineeffect n.f.c. their letter. instead of being a sustainable solution to homelessness, they'll perpetuate and worse anosikele in which people are arrested and shuffled from the streets to jail cells and back. this is not the beginning or end of this cycle. it is just another phase in the legal loop perpetuating home *sness -- homelessness. in 1980 the first policies criminalizing homelessness in the united states were introduced. at the time, about 350,000

people across the nation were cat goreized as homeless. over the past 50 years, variations of these policies have continued across america but there has only been an increase in the homeless population. >> what you find is all major cities go through about a 10-year sickle and if you look -- cycle and if you look back, the city of columbia, about once every eight to 10 years does a plan. to solve homeless problem. >> they offer short-term living accommodations such as rapid release shelters or mini houses and arrest anyone who refuses to live in these overcrowded spaces. eventually the city stops funding these programs and these people find their way back to the streets. this then becomes a difficult issue for cities to address. as seen in the city of columbia, issues like urban camping begin to get out of hand.

>> people can't just camp on private property, they can't, you know, destroy, they can't defecate, they can't urinate, they can't trash somebody else's property. >> in south carolina the penalty for trashing private property is 30 days to a year of jail time. after this sentence is served, these people just get released back to the streets. homelessness can feel like an intractable problem and the desire to do something, anything, is understandable. but the harm that these ordinances will cause to real people, to our neighbors and community members, is clear. columbia is heading down an ineeffective, expensive and illegal path and we urge you to change course. the solution to break this cycle over the next 20 years by providing affordable, long-term housing and other services to unhoused individuals. >> affordable housing meaning

housing according to an individual's income. a person should not be paying more than 30% of their income. >> the solution to homelessness is affordable housing. if we did not have zoning laws that made it illegal to build affordable housing, we would have more affordable housing and less homelessness. if we had more federal funding for creating and preserving affordable housing, we would have more affordable housing and less home *sness. >> we're 3.8 million homes short, 3.8 million homes short of what we need, not a single state in the country has enough housing. for the lowest income renters, there are just 36 unit as id forrable and available -- units affordable and available for every 100 renters who need them. >> if the united states really wants to combat the issue of homelessness, they need to fund affordable housing. so that the homeless can have a place to live long-term. other than affordable housing, it is also important to make resources such as mental health care, a d.m.v. and medical

facilities available nearby. so these people can integrate into society as easily as possible. it is vital that these resources are also funded by the government so that they can be free to those in need. >> there has to be an all-of-the-above approach to dealing with homelessness. it needs to be dealt with by our mental health facilities, another part needs to be dealt with in my opinion, -- dealt with, in my opinion, provide affordable housing. >> outside of mental health resources it is also important that this housing is a mixed economic -- in mixed economic areas so we are not isolating the impoverished, leading to other issues like food deserts and the lack of economic and social opportunity. >> what we consider mixed income, so you might have a formerly homeless family living next to a school teacher, so you're not creating a pocket of

poverty and it's accepted throughout the community. >> over the next 20 years, it is predicted that the cost of housing will double. however, an income of zero will remain the same. if we do not work to build and sustain affordable housing, we will not only see the cost of housing double, but the number of homeless people too. >> to watch this and all winning entries, visit our website at studentcam.org. >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we're funded by these television companies and more, including charter communications. >> charter is proud to be recognized as one of the best internet providers and we are just getting started. building 100,000 miles of new infrastructure to reach those who need it most. >> charter communications supports c-span as a public