c-spanshog.shington journal" continues. us this morning's michael snell with the pill newspaper. let's begin with we can congress and we will start with the senate. headline from the hill.com -- remind viewers with the bill is and what is the plan. good morn. this is the bipartisan border deal that the senate negotiators struck back in february. would end the so-called program called catch and release and would give the president authority to shut down the r■$ a certain number of this was the deal that haser finally come together after months of painstaking negotiation that initially convened at the republs mand thr

ukraine would go along border security provisions of that senate group convened and they came to an agreement and unveiled this deal which was essentially a stunning matter. borderec and immigration is s lawmakers for years. after became clear this bipartisan border deal would not make it over the finish line of republicans casting doubt on the significance of the legislation and the final with president trump coming out and urging republicans to vote against it. senate republicans have blocked this legislation from moving rw and congress went ahead with conid without border security. now chuck schumer is trying to come back to thi and t up another vote on it and he recognized last had a slim chance of passing. this is a political move as we

close in on the november election. the border issue continues to be a top issue.this is the way foro do some messaging on the border. it gives an average energy to cast a vote on the record in support of cracking down the situation ern border. we are finally going to see this vote this week. the political ramifications, democrats are hin significant. host: will republicans vote for it? guest: it is very unlikely that will happen. the republican negotiator james lankford was the conservativsard night tirelessly for months to come to a consensus. he cast out the strategy last week in an interview saying this is not a serious effort and had not received any outreach from democrats to try and move

the ball forward in terms of bo he essentially said this is a political gambit asclon the nov. there were a few others back in february, the likes of mitt romney and some other more centrist individuals like that. we could see them come on board but there is no indication now. bu d jes lankford, i think that's a good tell tha significant if any republican support this time around. host: what major pieces of legislation, if any, does past before november? guest: in the short term, very few. funding in september. lawmakers are still bearing down that september 30 deadline to fund the government for fisc 202 that is the last he's of

on t calendar. congress has already passed the foreigd finished up the reauthorization and finished the fy 2024 preparation so they are in a glide path to september where we will likely see these messaging bills on the floor in both chambers. the expectation is that in september, congress will pass a short-te c resolution to keep the government funding until after the november election andt fight will really take place for appropriations and government funding for the next fiscal year. host: congress sets the stage for side deals spending fight with white house is your headline. gues all comes as we discussed the government funding and the appropriations process. lawmer house or getting started on this effort. ideally, leaders in the house have said they want to get all the appropriations bills over the finishchamber before folks r recess.

that is all but certain to not be reached. the house has moved slowly and that's up high in the sky go but it shows the leaders and republicans and democrats are tr t running now to go avoid what we saw in the previous fiscal year. i believe -- i believed was for short-term continuations and a number of shut down cliffs where risk of a shut down and they finally finishp th appropriations process in march. that was supposed to be done in september. lawmakers have no aptitude -- p in the process and i want to get things done early. it will probably not be successful because that's the nature of congress but they are giving it their best attempt now. host: i want to invite our viewers to join in this conversation and get their to at they are hearing from the reporting about congress in the weeks leading up to the november election.

democrats dithisorning at (202) 748-8000, republicans (202) 748-8001, an independents (202) 748-8002. you can text us as well include your first name, city and state at (202) 748-8003 or go to cebo.com/c-span you can post on x @spon the messaging bills,h sort of topics will both the house and the senate be brgi up in these messaging bills and what is the purpose? what's the strategy? guest: what we've seen a lot of recently is having to do with immigration goes back tohereasop about on that biptisan border security deal. immigration has continued to top pose as the topf mind to voters in the lead up to november concerned about the

border, immigration so lawmakers are trying to take advantage of that and try to capitalize ontht press on messaging for the border. we've seen a number republicans have brought up resolutions to denounce the biden administration's efforts on the border so expect to see more of that. another thing we've seen in the house is the topic of anti-semitism and the pro-palestinian protest that have taken place on campuses across the country. the israel-hamas war has been a difficult topic for democrats. their caucuses barely fractured with pro israel democrats want to defend israel's right to pro-palestinian progressives who are concerned about the mounting humanitarian deaths in gaza. we seen these dynamics play out in the public eye a number of times as the house is voted on various pieces of anti-semitism

resolutions. expect to see more of that because it sort for republicans. it gives them an opportunity to shup israel which they consider to be an important part of theirt it also helps highlight the divisions. republicans are always looking to somehow refute the idea that they are not a united party. democrats want to fracture republicans in a way republicans don's republicans to argue and say that docrats are the party that does not defend israel. it's eective messaging strategy for them in recent months so expect to see more of that. democrats will go with the flow because as you know, the majority party in the house sets the terms -- sets the floor schedule that's obviously republicans. democrats will have to roll wito act on legislation ait comes

to the floor. the senate has a different the leader there.chuc we are already sink messaging legislation again on the topic of the border because it continues to be the dominating in the 2024 cycle. we are seeing schumer move ahead with thear dea each chamber is trying to pick up wins and give their members and of ammo to go home to their district and campaign anereasony deserve a few more years in washington. host:the use side, what about efforts to impeach the president? guest:hat has sort of fizzled out. we have seen a number of times republicans struggling to connect the dots on this scheme have accuse the president of engaging in whether it be bribery's, influence ave u. there's been multiprongeimpeac'n over the past few months. they have not found that smoking gun to prove the president is guilty of high crimes or misdemea

one of the big events they had hyped up was hunter biden testifying before the senate investigative panel. that landed with a thud and them not finding the smoking gun. lawmakers not fuss too much about the impeachment inquiry because is fizzling out. one thing we have seen making center stage is th effort to hold attorney general merrick garlandntempt of congress. some folks think this may be an offramp for republicans leading the impeachment inquiry and saying we held him in contempt to shift the spotlight off of impeachment and onto garland to give some back story on that. lastly, the house judiciary committee in the house oversight committee advanced a resolurty t garland in contempt of congress. the issue that republicans have with garland's that they have requested the audio recording of

president biden's interview with specl counsel robert hurt who was looking int's mishandling of classified documents. can that final report come he says he would not charge t president with any crimes for his handling of less of i documents that there was a little aside about the president's mental acuity, saying he was acting -- i'm paraphrasing, but in old them a good-natured old man and that's why this why they decided not to charge him. republicans of as for therdg ofh the justice department has not given up. the justice department has provided a transcript of the interviews between garland and herr but republicans are still seeking the audio recording. now republicans are trying to hold him inmpt and it remains unclear when they will te garland in

content and remains unclear if it will pass because republicans have such a small majority. it really has no room for error. the really has been a less focus impeachment and now holding host: we will go to bill in florida, republican. caller: i wish that lady would be quite a finschumer let them e hook. from now on, it's not even a crime to lie to congress because it's schumer. that lady knows it as well as speaking half the truth about the republicans. host: what are you referring to? caller: what you mean? host: caller: bill last week that from now on, it's

not a crime to lie to congress. no matter what biden does or his son does or whatever in front of congress, there is nothing they can do about it. host: are you familiar with this? guest: i'm not entirely sure what he's talking in terms of lying to congress. it is a crime. we've seen several witnesses before congressional committees be rebuked for lying to congress so i'm not sure of what he referring to there. host: vincent, ohio, democratic caller. caller: yes, michelle -- ms. snell. do you know what's going on with e conductivity for i.t.? il fm both j.d. and sherrod brown back in april saying they were still working on i called one of the officsaid yes they were.

i know my company that i go through has said they've given me the deadline of the 22nd of this month. have you heard anything about it? there has been some believe is the american conductivity project or program. it provides internet to internet in low income areas. there was chatter about that program and refunding that program potentially catching a ride in one of those efforts that came across the finish line recent weeks whether it was faa reauthorization or the or the foreign age back to -- or the foreign aid package. to my knowledge, it did not happen. status of that program is but there was some conversation on capitol hill.there have been vas stakeholders and lawmakers who have been advocating for a refunding of that program.

stay tunedause there are folks on the hill aware of it. i'm not clear right now what thg efforts are. host: atlantic city, new jersey, independent. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i love you on the morning show and i want you all the time and i think you're great. i'm really bad at technology and trying to send emails for suggestions to the white house and so forth. i'm sending a message through wanted to see what you thought of it. the es careful this election year not to elect donald trump like theyn't 2016. he's not a normal candidate they have to be careful. i had an idea and i want to see what you thought of it. the public service commercials are great with especially women with abortion tf that is fantast

here's my idea and wanted to see what you thought of it. bring back the fireside chats with president biden. month with president biden, one cabinet official, to press people and to regular citizens and just returned to civility. the press conferences are so crazy for me as ait people yelling at each other basically and insulting each other. return to civility with the fireside chats because i love presidentid and people should love him as well because -- this would be aea fairway to show the public real information with all sides in a civil way. i wanted to see what you thought of that. guest: 's perhaps why did the biden campaign may want to embrace as we close in on . the president has been -- i expand different types of media

he's d. an terview recently with cnn but he also raise somey when he set for an interview with howard stern for about an hour. i believe that conversation lasted which slowed things down have an elongated chat about various things whether p policy or personal or whether it be politics. that was pretty well received among some folks. maybowving that conversation weatherby ona's catered to the public and more relaxed setting. that could potentially be something the biden campaign embraces as we get close to the november election. host: this week in congress, lawmakers will also hear fmary . can you talk about his testimony? guest:n is said to be on capitol hill this week to talk about the funding for the state department for fy 2025. it offers lawmakers an opportunity to directly talk to

and challenge secretary of state antony blinken. he's been at central figure of the bideninistration as we have different conflicts whether it be ukraine's war against russia or the israel-hamas war in the middle east. ave en critical but tickly when it comes to israel-hamas war of how president biden has handled his relationship with the israeli prime minister. and how he's handled the dynamics with the mounting humanitarian actions in the gaza strip. whether it's about state department fundi, to be some sidetrack and other missives aut those complex that continue to unfold across the globe. host: the test secretary of state will testify tuesday we'll have coverage on c-span and you can watch and are free mobile app, c-span our online c-span.org c-span.org at.

lawrence in new york, independent. caller: yeah, this is lawrence. i want to say chuck schumer is one of the best people in congress right now. most of them really act professional. e house, i think they are very immature really think fox news is state news on demand and you guys do a great job, thank you. host: let's talk about what's happening in the house and by marjorie taylor greene and thomas massie to oust speaker mike johnson. could that come up again before november? something about marjorie taylor greene is she needs to keep her powder dried not taking any opportunities off the table but being very vague about what her plans are. ago thatswom greene

finally forced a vote oner speae johnson from the top job. it very quickly failed in stunning fashion and she called just was called to the floor foe to table the resolution minutes after and that passed overwhelmingly. afterwards, congresswoman greene said she is not ruling out bringing it up again in the near future but again, she is not forecasting any plans at tint. it was a pretty emasow for cong. she had been threatening this vote to vacate and there were weight more individual and the congress who were in favor of ousting johnson than had come out publicly which was just three at the time when he forced congresswoman greene and congressman thomas massie and

congressman paul gosar ended upe resolution. some of the test those folks have said it's because they have a rule of voting aga procedural votes. and wanted an opportunity to vote on the actualesolution because it was privileged and they would vote against it. as embarrassing developed for congressman for grann it by saying republicans are on the record. you can see ws the unity party but i don't think she will run and try to offer another opportunity for ousting johnson anytime soon and that's the indication now. it did not go the way she had intended. also because there is not any must pass pieces of legislation coming up soon. that would be a catalyst for her having to spark this resolution before it was the government

funding process and then it was fisa and then testing ukraine aid which are hot button issues that divide republicans bitterly. we don't add that until september but we had to do with government funding and the glide path until then. the so is a caveat when you talk about congresswoman greene. nd■% lves are waiting and could surprise you how she handles things. it could come but the expectation is not anytime soon. emigration and the bipartisan order view, this is the vie from new york. i guess not to bring up this senate bipartisan deal, what is the evidence? guest: trump said publicly, we

saw a numb posfrom his account telling republicans to vote against this bipartisan bordered deal. we heard some republican lawmakers themselves say they o oppose it when it came to the floor because they w so closei to the president election. were talking about the border andn that have bedeved they struggled to come up with migrion reform and policy to respond to the situation at the southern border. president biden signing this bill would be a massive bipartisan feet that he would no doubt use on the campaign trail to argue he is trying to fix the problem that is top of mind for most voters. it's believed that trump would not want to hand biden that when an republican senator said they did not want to give biden that victory. former president trump was very publicly urging members to vote against this. whether they were private

conversations between him and johnson is not clear. i don't know ifwa because he was publicly urging lawmakers to vote against it. his feelings were very well-known and documented. host: let's go to joe in massachusetts, democratic caller. that's a great segue into my question. two questions -- it seems that the border bill is one of the big campaign policy issues coming up. what do democrats need to do to please the republicans to get a bill resolve the border? the second question is i heard one previous guest sate 5000 people day seems to be a big sticking point for republicans about not wanting to pass the bill nighy thing 5000 still way too much. in the 5000 was included people that come over the border

legally like for work back-andth everybody who came over the border, not a surly new immigrants. can your guest respond to that question? guest: in terms of your first question of how to get the comprehensive border security legislation over the finish li was a bipartisan effort and i think a lot of lawmakers said if this bipartisan bordered deal is not getting lawmakers on both sides the aisle to do something about a politicaarge'y anything will. a number of individual said thie borders gerty legislation that had been crafts. it had an endorsement from a wide variety of direct stakeholders and outside groups. the feeling was that if this 't do it, nothing would be able to. it's one reason why policy is in the way. it's an election year and the border is the top policy issued

to voters and there are challenges and difficulties but the core legislation was hailed by a number of different stakeholders. if not this, there'll unlikely be anything before election day in terms of the 5000 individual figure, i will have to go back to specifics and see if they were individuals who came over illegally or just individuals r th border in general. the legislation was first rolled out in farnd there is a lot of specific details there. i don't -- i want to give an exact answer after i checked the specifics. host: let's talk about the new yorke hu money trial of former president trump who's up there today looks lth could be the last week. we've seen members of congress going up witness the trial and talk to reporters outside. what is the strategy? guest: we have seen a number of republican lawmakers, both house and senate members marched up to nework to empathize with the

former president at the manhattan court -- court probe. they say it's ra ainst the former president as the department of justice is shoddy case.and they say it's this is a sort of strategy that n anwanted to do including speaker mike johnson who t highest ranking republican to go up to manhattan tuesday. it has a couple of different elements to it. it's an opportunity for republicans to tie themselves to the former president who is right now the ad of the party. some of these republicans clearly see it will be beneficial to hitch their wagon to the former president so they are trying to curry favor with them. other elementhat it's been beneficial for the former president. he's under a strict gag order. he has violated in on a number

of occasions and the judge in the case has warned that if he violates it again, there's a possibility he could face jail the former president is unable to talk about the witnesses. he cannot disparage the witnesses in public or in social mewe have seen these republican lawmakers serve asgate for the former president and slam those witnesses in ways the former president cannot. for example, speaker mike johnson when after michael: when he was in manhattan last week. that something the former president trumpism unable to do. it gives them a breakthroughs gag order. everyone knows the former esbl support. he is a man who made his money and came up the through reality television and he knows how to work a camera. he knows having more support in front of the cameras is important and these republicans know this is a way to get on his

good side. we will have to wait and see if will be this week. both chambers of congress are in session so they will have t work around the floor schedule to get up there. we saw a number of lawmakers up there last week. possible we will see more this week. host: t for all the details this morning previewing congress this week. yo her reporting if you go to the hill.com. a professional reporter with the hill, thank you is always. guest: thank you. host: when we come b the 60th anniversary of president lyndon johnson's great society speech. later this week, we will look at whether the federal programs lost during his presidency have helped or hurt the war on poverty in this country. that conversation with the center for law and public policy and the american enterprise institute. we will have that conversation right after this b♪

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