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big brands have committed to fair working conditions and sustainable production. but who is monitoring the some contractors. and investigative documentary goes to italy and china and looks behind the glamorous facades of fashion houses. luxury behind the mirror starts november 5th on the w. . turkey has put us in a terrible situation that's what the u.s. secretary of defense said today at nato headquarters in brussels the question on everyone's minds what to do about turkey and the kurds what to do about turkey and the russians russian troops will soon patrol syria's northern border making turkey yet another nato member with musk ale's military muscle just an arm's length away
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i'm berlin this is the day. look up and very candid about this turkey put us all in a very terrible situation at the direction of turkey with regard the alliance is heading in the wrong direction. on any number of issues we see them spinning closer to russia's orbit there is a new situation in terms of explaining ourselves and being understood remotely as we see differences when it comes to the situation in northeast serial i think in prison early on that was fixated on making this incursion now to them we share the values and missions of nato we completely abide by nato his concept of defense at the moment we. also coming up 39 chinese men and women found dead in the back of a truck outside of london police suspect human traffickers are to blame tonight
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you'll hear from a man whose wife was once in the hands of traffickers he was lucky he lived to tell about the traffic is all ripping that game in scenes of how they're actually accessible getting into vehicles and bringing my migrants 3 you know the trafficking there was simply not enough being done it seems of security. and so you our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world well we begin the day with a nato and its turkish dislike in. the past 2 weeks turkey has invaded another country face sanctions from the u.s. as a result and then pulled itself back by agreeing to share power at its border with syria with the russian military now this is not how a member of nato was supposed to act when no one at nato headquarters put it that directly to day but it's safe to say many were thinking it turkey has put nato in
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one of the most awkward and volatile situations in the alliances history but turkey's strategic value remains more important and that means native secretary general yeah. has to handle on her with the new ones of a diplomat and not the heavy hand of a disciplinary and what about russia its influence in syria is no longer challenged by the us russian troops will soon patrol syria's northern border along with turkish forces putin has exactly what he wants today nato welcomed an idea from germany calling for russia and turkey to be part of an internationally controlled safe zone in northern syria moscow quickly dismissed that idea saying there's simply no neat. a russian patrol winds its way through the syrian town of commission on the border with turkey only weeks ago u.s. forces patrolled here now the guard has changed. russian forces share control of
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the border with turkish troops and with the syrian army in a buffer zone that's just her she kilometers deep. fascination summit in brussels secretary-general yan stoltenberg welcomed the arrangement the result of a deal between russian president vladimir putin and his turkish counterpart to red chip type i'm encouraged by the fact that it also had a sphere of seeing a significant reduction in violence in fighting and we have to build on that. work for a political solution of the crisis. in syria hundreds have died and peasants have been displaced since turkey launched its attack on the kurds on october 9th. deserves its streets and destruction this is a town of rahsaan under turkish control after fierce fighting
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a cease fire has been declared to allow kurdish troops to pull back but fighting still fared up on thursday. to one has not ruled out further military strikes sharing our soldiers and syrian national army up or trolling the area of operation inch by inch and they are destroying the traps if any of these terrorists come across us there it will not show right to crush them as it is already marked in written documents we also go there you know. the president also said he would send syrian refugees in turkey to your up. they panic when i say we'll open the gates to just don't panic. well when the time comes the gates can be opened. which is it's a threat he has made before to silence criticism of turkey's offense of. you know the words of a nato member there we'll talk about that i'm joined now by our correspondent in
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brussels teri schultz terry is covering the nato summit force good evening to you terry so what was it like today when all of the nato defense ministers when they came together was was turkey the black sheep in the room and what about the u.s. was there criticism of what the u.s. did withdrawing its troops from northern syria. well brant i'm told that everyone around the room all the allies did criticize turkey did say that they weren't happy with the turkish with the turkish actions but that's something they said before they were basically repeating criticism that they've all said as individual governments or across town in their european union had but it didn't go further than that and actually i was surprised to hear that that there wasn't a lot of heat in the room and in fact the united states has has come out of this quite well a week ago yes we heard criticism that the u.s. had pulled out its 50 soldiers which you know basically kept the turks from staging
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this incursion earlier we didn't hear that today. germany has proposed an internationally administered safe zone in northern syria let's take a listen to how the nato secretary general you know he described reaction to the german plan today the german defense minister she she briefed all eyes on her thoughts on the way forward. again i think it is broad support for the over political solution. and also. ways to try to engage the international community to support such a political solution. i don't think that i heard addressed the russians who have already dismissed this german proposal did he'd leave them out intentionally do you think. well i tried to get him to do that i asked a question specifically about whether turkey had expressed its willingness to
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accept this german proposal and whether it would lead the way in convincing russia also to accept an international presence and he really didn't respond to me in the in the press conference on the topic of russia and it is surprising to hear the nato secretary general and other governments basically accept the results of this turkey russian deal because that's going to mean that russian forces are just a few miles from from nato is border and truly they are not comfortable with it but it just doesn't seem like anyone is getting details out of turkey on exactly what that deal means and turkey remains strategically important to nato i guess that's part of the the problem here but it appears to be forging closer ties with russia so what do you think this means to nato and its units moving forward. it is a problem for nato and u.s. defense secretary mark esper mentioned that specifically in
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a speech he gave this morning he said that turkey has always been a real reliable ally but it seems to be turning more toward russia and less toward the west and he really urged on korea to change that direction at the same time that this isn't completely new for turkey you know it did by a russian missile defense system the s 400 instead of a western missile defense system and they blame the west for forcing them into that they said the u.s. didn't want to sell its system and there is some talk that the european union having put a partial arms embargo on turkey is going to do even do to push that even further that they're going to look even more closely at russia as an arm supplier so it's a very complicated situation right now and i think that's why we're not hearing more crystal clear ways forward nobody knows exactly what to do you've got to keep turkey inside nato nato is better off that way the thinking goes and turkey is better off that way so there's really no discussion of of turkey leaving nato or being kicked out but nobody knows exactly how to truly bring it back
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psychologically politically into the fold of western allies yeah it's a geo political love hate story all marched. in brussels covering the nato summit force thank you. still ahead on the day another face to face between a facebook c.e.o. mark zuckerberg and the u.s. congress guess who lost face this time. are you saying you're not qualified to be a content monitor. you know congresswoman that's not him so then you say you're not willing to do. we are slowly learning more about the 39 lost souls that were discovered on wednesday in the back of a truck outside of london today china's foreign ministry confirmed that they were all chinese nationals police are still holding the driver of that truck for questioning but they have not charged him police raided several homes in northern ireland today as they investigate what is looking like one of the u.k.'s worst
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human trafficking disasters. it's britain's largest murder investigation in he is police are still trying to piece together what happened to the $39.00 bodies found in this truck. it's also a tragedy which has touched many in this community. completely and utterly shocked and devastated but that's actually happened here today especially in this area i mean my money my money was down the road my dad works down there so i you know i drive down all the time so for that to happen i'm completely shocked detectives want to know the exact route the truck took on its way to the industrial park on the outskirts of east london. this footage shows the vehicle passing by 2 separate c.c.t.v. cameras shortly before the bodies were discovered. british police
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a facing and europe wide investigation it's known that dory has gary number plates and passed through the port of support in belgium the truck's driver was from northern ireland forensic investigations on long underway but police say the victims are chinese nationals 8 women and 31 men late wednesday offices towed away the truck. this matches attracted national and international interest and it's absolutely imperative that the operation is doubtful. that. the fed live. way here to find them and mathematics to sit with their families for now there are still more questions than answers in this one case which of horrified many britons . well there is one man who more than any of us knows the terror in fear that those 39 chinese men and women must have experienced before
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taking their final breaths walked in the back of a truck his name is. and he joins me tonight from the east midlands in britain our money it's good to have you on the day we appreciate you taking the time tonight to talk with this you fled your home in syria back in 2015 and you began a 55 day long odyssey to reach the u.k. maybe it could you give us an idea of what you went through during those 2 months thanks for having me so back in 2015 and i had to take the very hard decision of moving out of the region was up already fled the country syria my home country in 2013 after the bombing and the shelling and the so i moved to go to stand when i was working there but then with the fall of the city of mosul and the arrival of isis and the tragedies that happened to defeat peace. including the the years edis
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months of plots that the violence that up witnessed there have pushed me to to to to move further afield so i moved back to to see in buddhist who took you from there with the help of a smuggler. across in a dainty boot the 1st time i was captured and went on a boat to greece and there are now getting paid passport. in athens i flew to mars say and then to cali spent about 2 weeks in cali you know and the jungle trying to chase these cars and lorries in the back of 3 traitors and containers and traders trying to cross and eventually a man used to cross near the danish german borders and they made it to the u.k. where were you when traveling alone and how did how did you find a driver or a truck that you could basically hitch a ride in how did that how did that work. so for me because i was not familiar
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with the european geography so what tunes were tended intended to have been a time is into them 141516 we would have 100 probably thousands of these facebook groups where you have different people advertising that this is that this is the person this in the phone number you can call them you can check them and also people recommending this don't do this do that she always follow also you know full of others you know made this cheney's say you call them and to ask how does this person is that person is so full of their guidance you know we still don't know the details surrounding these 39 chinese men and women who died in the back of that truck outside of london this week but i want to ask you what went through your mind when you heard the news about these 39 people die it was early morning and i received an interview cation on my mobile on the b.b.c.
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breaking news and i did not read the news a just with a headline and i was shocked i. was devastated because immediately came to mind was my experience big you know kid in the back of one of the threes or you know containers back in cali almost you know freezing to death and suffocating in a horrendous situation and eventually started to nokia and eventually we're you know we were let out so mine once you know. i was like because someone came and helped me get out and like what happened to these you know 239 people who lost their lives yeah i mean i don't think any of us can imagine what it must be like if we haven't experienced it i wonder. how often do you relive that nightmare of being locked in a refrigerated truck commune is it something that you know grabs your thoughts when
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you least expect it still. i think i never think about it i mean it it's very difficult i don't think about it i think it's but when i went out with this then it just takes me very hard because you know dealing with the symptoms of this it's not easy and even though sometimes i try to avoid closed places because of all the experiences that i've been through even sometimes when i go to the tube station with andrew grout i try to be close to that door because of you know what happened going to the team what do you feel when you think about the person or the persons who walked the 39 people in the back of the truck leaving them to die i mean nothing more than criminals who do not can i don't hear 739 souls
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in lost their lives and for many of these you know smugglers and human traffickers they do not see as a human being as a commodity as money. and it insists terror is terrible because i've been in many of these containers and you know law is before. it's terrible but these people don't care because because as a city after money are you are you happy that your home is now the u.k. i don't think the world happy i don't know it's it's there were words here i think i'm i feel lucky to be a life here saved where there is no bombing is not shelling there's no you know torture there's no rest there is no disappearances that. i can go to bed savely this evening knowing that my family my girls my little children won't be killed you
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know. they won't be kidnapped this is the whole point of the whole journey. before we let you go i want to ask you how do you feel when people there in the u.k. talk about brags it and immigration how does it strike you when you hear the discussion. it is very complex but i think for me personally on a personal level since i arrived in this country over all the the people i mean every day experiences right in countering people and these interactions has been overwhelming give me you know i'm positive people are welcoming i was supported i was you know helped in fact you know after i got mad if you just did as i did it with an english family for about the weeks and later my family came from syria under the new visa and was also offered a property by another you know a landlord and later on i was of my discourse and to do my masters i finished my
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march the university of london and later on i was also given opportunity to do full time work so i'm working i mean overall you know when it comes to to migration unfortunately if you look at the media it's been you know described negatively but every day life and experiences and interactions people are passionate when when you talk about a human to human experience if you were there with these figures and numbers and charts and you put a human face it i think many people can relate well have i have to say it's very reaffirming to to hear someone with your experience is able to see the the positive and the humanity in all of us i think that's something we can all use more of with our she'd joining us tonight from england of the we appreciate your time and we appreciate you sharing your story thank you. all of us thank you very much. facebook doesn't use its employees for the hardest jobs in the company you've got
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about 15000 contractors watching murders stabbings suicides other gruesome disgusting videos for content moderation cracked congress from yes i believe that that's correct these workers get 99 minutes of supervised well let's time per day that means 90 minutes to cry in the stairwell while somebody watches them would you be willing to commit to spending one hour a day for the next year or watching these videos and acting as a content monitor and only accessing accessing the same benefits available to your workers i'm not sure that would best serve our community for me to spend that much explaining my time as i preferred i spent i mean my time and mr zuckerberg are you saying you're not qualified to be a content monitor you know congresswoman that's not him so then you're saying you're not willing to do it and that was just one of the many dressing downs that facebook c.e.o. mark zuckerberg endured today on capitol hill mr zuckerberg went to washington this
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time hoping to convince lawmakers to support his company's new digital currency libor but it didn't quite work out as planned to talk about that i'm joined now here at the big table by sophia diogo my tears as she manages the w.'s main english language facebook page and she works in social media strategy she knows a thing or 2 about facebook's if it's good to have you on the show. what what was your impression today just by the the the appearance of the performance of zuckerberg i mean was he clueless as to why these lawmakers were being so critical. well brant i would say he was clueless i think he was a lot more prepared than last time clearly the facebook staff made an effort to inform him and prepare him for the lines of questioning if felt to me like he was a lot more prepared on the policy issues regarding labor he wasn't expecting all the other car questions and that tied in in the minds of the congressmen and women
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and then financial service committee would libra so all the other ongoing issues that facebook has in court. generally as a company i know that facebook has been spending millions of dollars lobbying lawmakers in washington trying to repair its image and i have the impression that all of that money was just blown away today based on what we saw you wrote an article today saying that mark zuckerberg maybe he doesn't understand it as one understand the realities of working at facebook in if you does want to understand you say he should start with content moderation yes our why kind of moderation is the one aspect of facebook queer you have. the hardest part of what it is like to have a platform like that if you stand 1st few free speech like mark zuckerberg says he does every day and every time he has a hearing but you are not concerned with my new cd of deciding whether
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a video is too graphic card pick a picture to pornographic to be up on the website you're not willing to pay those people a fair wage and to give them working conditions to allow them to cope with those decisions which are out $400.00 a shift that content not areas that facebook have to do if you're not willing to acknowledge also the impact of the emotional impact that this has on people and i don't think you can tackle the bigger issue because these 2 just can't be don't think they separate why do you think there is the disconnect with him and content moderators we've had them on this program before the ones who work here. and you know the they go through what every shift i mean what they're what they're seeing and what they're having to sort through and filter through he seems i got the impression that he thinks that that's dirty work and the c.e.o. doesn't get his hands dirty is that the impression you got that same person i have as well and that's the impression that i think offends a lot of people that work on these floors there was some there was one report that
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a person that works in one of the facilities and florida killed himself derived from the work not at work but the right from the park i think he does see it as dirty work has been eve him that's something that is something that can be outsourced because these contractors are outsourced they're not facebook employees they get paid almost a 10th of what normal facebook employees make on average and i just don't think you think that these decisions are important or something that should be fought about face the nuisance is it yeah it is i mean if you look at the early days of facebook it was all about the platform is not responsible for the content on the platform remember and that of course is change but i get the impression that he still wants to go back to the early to thousands in not be held responsible for what is on facebook and congress men and women yesterday made that point very very clearly because he has a several cases i believe in court at federal and state level against being liable
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for the content for the transactions for the dad and for what happens to the data so i think he does i think he wants to maintain that status quo and facebook has had this issue in which it doesn't see itself as a publisher and the traditional sense it says that it doesn't host contants not a media company but then it also says that these decisions should be something that they decide on severe unfortunately we're out of time thanks for coming in please come back there's a lot to talk about thank you the day is almost done the conversation continues online and we will see you tomorrow tomorrow is another day. good.
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good. good. good. come. into the conflict zone confronting the powerful. ethiopia has come a long way in the short time there's a new peace deal with eritrea a new foreign minister hardly determined to bring accountability for the human rights abuses of the hostages my guest this week here in brussels business
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and then i'm acquainted and i wouldn't have to tell people. this is g.w. news longer from berlin tonight natives dilemma what to do about turkey what to do about turkey and russia as nato headquarters defense ministers are faced with one of their own turkey suddenly patrolling northern syria together with a nato adversary russia can the alliance endure this major test of its unity also
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coming up tonight the european union's human rights prize for goes to deal homs for his work defending china's rieger minority will speak to his daughter.

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