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to see the world, the subscribe now to dw talking entry, the presidential elections in russia of the usual foregoing conclusion, with nothing left to chalk, not even the death in jail, as the leading opposition figure. i'll explain about me whose name postern couldn't bring himself to speak. my guest is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready just sent that in moscow? wasn't a valid the such a serious threat to put in his regime. but he had to be killed even to be in prison when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty, and way to compress it for the parts of the population. because of that, it was important to, let's see,
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eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with a government that kills its political opponents, unseen from moscow? why the southern states of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years? what's the vein? no, we don't. on the right color slick of welcome to complex of excellence . it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of id may i put in once a 5th time. that'd be my food and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we're asking our sales, where was this 20 points for she seems as a decrease of michigan mostly because the development of history june was somewhere in the year 2020. when he told the referendum about some of the med,
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most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious prison essential terms. and now she is over to the president and the after that all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22 in questioning of nevada means the same year 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy. it does it. these elections even mr. perkins spokesman. dimitri pest golf, tell the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because this is one more attempt to demonstrate to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience, indifference and ready to continue to accept the protest initiatives.
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and just as important as that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities. don't say, can't influence anything cause this country because we have a majority of which is in flash, which supports put in. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change and i think because of that, so these electrons are still no significant. it's the same times. it's just one more really rounds aflac way not to to repeat. so this kind of really into refresher legitimacy or for the all the correct oh, credible candidates of uh, being eliminated way before the polling stations open bar. it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for a while. was he a, a threat? was he didn't that's right. an edition with squares attracted to the public who was
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liberal views. and you're down in the rush or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western and to put you in a vision of the world. and because of that, in addition, was kind of afloat for just people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable that's a criminal decide. it's not till ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case of getting, i don't know, 56, even 10 percent of it man into it. it could means that the paternity is not the only one who is the producer. so the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda, not to mention the terms of case. and that doesn't include demonstrate to enter your agenda via television and the code. so shake says and use so for the majority which is still not connected to the to be set. so. so with no,
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they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa, nevada, me that in a prison camp in the optic circle, once he ever really i'm electro threat to prove to or was it that he and others like him. we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the only didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process about . so when she does participate in the year 2013, during most goes mayor's elections, he was extremely efficient, astonishingly efficient for kremlin. and after that, they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to pushing them to some moments and so on and to the needs of pasta, the whole political process reduced, busy. now this is,
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it is fine between the fall knee and approach him. and is that sense even being can prison? that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for the parts of the population. and because of that, it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story? of we don't know the truths maybe will not know it, but it looks like blows and bull story. and in that sense, simple, it was not the course of dance uh that she was, let's say, maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. so we have to wait for some
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results. so for his team of research to maybe use the gym to clear up some good deals and i found his family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that would you, i would say, likes the sort of experience. so this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. let's remember as a case of st policy or in any other cases and put in the several times. so repeat it to you are anxious, courier that the my pets, realty color oriented ordering. and since people do that of these and because of that among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt that nobody put the keels. uh no, no, we don't have the uh, conclusive evidence of it,
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but the feeling is very strong. come on. russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listened to a government assassin describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about me. little realizing that he was actually talking to him about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody is going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know what i mean? so what do we mean by nobody to? because of the majority are still to 1st to believe freedom main unofficial version or prefer us not to think about this. the horrible story you know, so low to for russian. so they didn't know about the person things they didn't know about the stuff. now what that means is, in this a count on your arctic circle,
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but uh, the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mental the normal. um, the subsidy more old about the majority prefer is not to know. and it seems about, uh, like, uh, uh, cuz you know, with his stay with his dad says that the red, cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with these belief among people with the normal view suisse a democratic fused glory viper, i'm a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nova on the bacon, kill anybody else. if he's right, where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. why does this, and i know the real threat is to political prisoners. i'm sure
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we don't have a political position in the proper sense of the words right now because of a high level of professions kyra's in the names of substitute new new orleans of last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like to let him and cut them. it was a, or really a yes from could be under threats. and not everyone in dissidence community, but the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the leaders that are in prison, so for people who are in prison, so there was a real threat. i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral resistance is left in russia?
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uh, i guess, trends of sorts moral because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a more resistant sanibel political resistance. this people can fight as they don't want to find for power. they don't have for literacy, they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. even small in jewels. but the joseph not only demonstrates as a funeral from the dentist way to that this civil society still here. we must be for a society of such which is very different than the passive. and the full of confirm is and civil society, the society of responsible citizens who, to who for the best, who for the country whore in a permanent order because of this war, they've demonstrated that they are here. it was
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a huge step for people for folks who were going to to the funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to the to the plants. so it was this people after a different kind of evidence of funerals like the link flowers as a man, as a place, as of man, there we go for political repression, such cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society of the russia, we can open, for instance, the website over then for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extrajudicial persecutions, a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens. but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and i'm ready to at least to
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think of all the constitution, think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility. you, you talked about nevada and these legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last, isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? a moral or real repression works? doesn't it? impressions efficient? yes, for precious work, but at the same time no. this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of mine, there was successful for a civil society and demonstration of what to use uh, some people cough, hesitating, corpus difficult for me so they can shares of you sofa. and this actually, if a single society activities, so in that sense, russia isn't hopeless, and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were
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ready for changes when gorbachev key, when government were much referred to, could the power ends is being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single though most came from the very top and the, uh, without changing that 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. that right now, extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal code that they authorize is keep adding to. we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 10 to 11 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that is secure about its hold on paul and its people?
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you know, it smarter bell cell development of the russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply and assorted terrorism. is this more about him? it's high, but it's a tell it to it isn't say me to tell it to are it isn't because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private life of people you to want it wants to control. for instance, theaters repair to ours, uh, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother in licensed as a sort of a well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool cause appear in this such a strange hospitality around space. so yeah, is there a difference the threat,
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slight denunciations from your competitor else, but the nose of us, it is still, it is to civil society and i can repeat it. it is not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of labor to you for free to my scenario is this is through. but if you wants to do something, you can try. and some people are trying to, to write to articles, to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the constitution. it's, it's not a dresser, it's not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens, a pay a willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and their friends. how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust of the yes, it's true,
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it's true. the trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer enough to talk with unknown persons. they prefer to talk to canal, so they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress, for instance, to say preferred not to discuss political issues. this is true. but you know, it's a same time uh again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the nova, laura, it's a mr. more out to, for me is a title going to be in the corporation was the truth foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,
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even in the circumstances. there was some problems. so is this magazine about it is still in the fields, so why not to transfer this all think? uh, and this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so, something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has of course, exacerbated the repression level. good cough leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes. is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess, psychology, miss, so, so latrine and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. they are trying to avoid problems with themselves, which means that as a full flip, say,
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double thinking of a pretending the war doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking ability to box is a trained not to do it publicly. maybe the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that, but it was like a private space in their quizzes like it was in sylvia time. so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with the some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking. you said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives his image ration on his way to maintain power. that's put in one that war in your view.
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oh yes, she wants me. she's a man in the shade or i'm sure is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war? was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta, in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must and event. so the goal for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism. and they invented some traveling this per month for it was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, this is more about defense. and uh, the reason the reports reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you,
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reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things is suspicious. p. r. o to be so the to, to, to, to, to look so mighty. so impress if uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russia for sure. and she wants to attend as trance on as he says this territories. and she doesn't care about the baltic states freelance or, or pulled this as a lip service. in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank,
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one more front. uh, she simply wants to continue this permanent toward was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to, to take the, for instance, voltage stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition blueprint. doesn't nato look weak to russia to put in a not so we could, but to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, coolly queasy, equal to tomato nicer. this motor both even show for the main enemy, united states of america nathan in europe, is kind of a such a line to of uh, of nato in the ends. united states. you said last months that despite old
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a new career saved but rattling but we've heard from boot and they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that held as a you know, so as you settled, they must understand that. so you're going to use those that technical no ukes could be suicidal for uh, for say, a regime for a country. uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so yes, so the, so nuclear black mailings, you square, it's impressive and quite effective as it is quite effective because it's presented to preventive the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear, where it became such a light. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceeds the domestic public so that it is possible. this is
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a danger. a british historian wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now, you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our lights. they're behaving like that, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. and in that sense, they hopelessly they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh, putting them to his team. but uh,
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the resources could be depleted and the next generation though, for petitions, they will have to take responsibility for the country. fully european security and this as an interest of the west coast call and interest mutual interest of the russians at west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0. this one a full account because the services i'm not to the terminal. so the bills are full, russia that's valid. the alexa in a value talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul, southern brain. so for pro democrats and russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count on very classic. awesome, thank you very much for being on comforting. so thank you. thank you for having me here. the,
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