don't suspicion of war crimes and crimes against humanity. today, the international criminal court stop prosecutor said he will seek arrest warrants for the 3 him boss leaders for what they orchestrated inside israel on october 7th . and for benjamin netanyahu, for what he has done in gaza, ever since, i'm pretty off in berlin. this is the day the my office of charges mentioned yahoo and collab class coupe piper, tried to find a superiors. and the commission of these alleged christ offset off show where your scans of this decision of the prosecutor general and the criminal cost in the hague is a front of the attack without restraints on the victims of october, the 7th, the 3 of the program is really like most states has the right disadvantage population, the, not the same,

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today with possible arrest warrants connected to israel and moss. today the chief prosecutor of the international criminal court said there are reasonable grounds to believe that the leaders of israel and tomas are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity. therefore, the prosecutor is seeking an arrest warrants for his rarely prime minister. benjamin netanyahu is really defense minister. go on. and 4th, a 3. how mos leaders? yeah. i as in warm bahama, dive and is my of new year. i'm aust carried out the october some of the tax. it is real and it's designated as a terrorist organization by many countries. here is the court's chief prosecutor on why he's seeking the arrest of net in yahoo and the law. i can also confirm today that i have reasonable grounds to believe on the basis of evidence collected and examined by my office that he's really prime minister benjamin netanyahu

administer of defense. you. i've got aunt bet criminal responsibility my office submits these individuals through upcoming plans. have systematically deprived the civilian population of casa of objects, indispensable to human survival. a members of the israeli government, and the opposition condemned the court's decision. today for our minister nathan yahoo, lashed out at the court for naming is really is an i'm us leaders in the same are risk more request. take a list of the web, the prosecutor in the hague, with multiple data. do you compare the months is of how much to the soldiers of the idea of the most marvel allow me in the world with what all does it the you compare between the how most admitted and butchered rate and kidnapped our brothers and sisters on the idea of soldiers who are fighting

a just war that is unparalleled in morality. well, i'm doing now by geoffrey noisy, was a prosecutor of the international criminal tribunal for the former yugoslavia. he was lead prosecutor at the trial of slipping down below so that she joins me tonight from canterbury. england is nice. it's good to see you again. is the icing . see, prosecute as request? is it a done deal? i mean, will be arrest warrants in your opinion. will they be issued? when of course i cause that crescent because i'm not the judge. and i haven't seen a we evidence, but mister con has indicated that he's set himself a higher than normal standard rather than a job as a private on that in order to be satisfied with the evidence could lead to a conviction. he's also, i know, taken independent advice from a body of experts acting pro bono and sort of behind the scenes to check on whether he may have made any mistake. so it's pretty likely it will be ever since

he's present. it will be strong, whether it's strong and respectable. 5 all, some of them we kind of decide, but i think it's con, aren't either just simply from where he tells us of the way he's done his work. yeah. that may get some of these responses here. yeah. and you're saying this that these are the higher standards for this case. what do you understand under higher standards as well as he explained in the interview he gave with kristin, i'm a poor because he didn't rest on the reasonable grounds to believe the level he relied on a reasonable prospect of conviction level, which is a bit higher now always standards, not easy to state and hard to test, but what he's saying is, okay,

here's the standard of the quote and i made my standard a bit high, not so. and that's what sort of responsible approach to taking an issue as sensitive as this. we heard from us president joe biden, this evening. he said that this announcement was outrages and he said that we are dealing here with a false equivalencies that you should not even try to compare her moss with the government or the actions of israel. i mean, does he have a point there? did the prosecutor did he have to make this announcement today? did he have to announce that he was seeking an arrest warrant for is really leaders in the same breath, but he said he's seeking arrest warrants for him. oscillators, why do it together? so we certainly didn't have to, we could have done it on different days. on the other hand, if you don't know, you decided to do it on different days for political parents,

for reasons that would have been pretty on satisfactory as well. i don't know what happened inside the office that led them to look at the situation and you decide that these 5 requests for was, could be made. uh, but i gotta say, is there any question of who's trying to assess tomorrow? the equivalence you simply said, here's the law. here's the people need side who for the time being, i'm going to ask, why don't it should be issued? so the items responses no political response has, is the following, but of the statement i think from blinking, where they say that no efforts are being made to allow only sufficient evidence to be made to allow israel to deal with these matters themselves. overall i think that it's um, lies both america and britain if it does it and germany, if it does it to stop speaking against what the prosecutor has done. we don't have

to remember the, the reason things like this happened is because we have incompetent politicians who by terrible mistakes, whether the publications in israel cause a time us, whatever you like me for the politicians who being sitting around them for the last century and 20 years seeing the creation of the state of israel and doing whatever they've done not to succeed in heading off this huge foreseeable tragedy. so we got lousy politicians or bad politicians you may think and it doesn't really sit very comfortably in them of didn't just happened by creation, for example of a one state solution for israel and palestine. offer a 2 state solution when they let it drift for servants with the utmost care. then certainly the decision to announce that they're seeking arrest warrants for these

leaders have loss industry leaders announcing that together there has, there had to be a reason there had to be a decision to do that. and to have it seen together for public consumption. do you agree? no, i don't even understand your question. is it? you go to adjust your 5 a question. why should then all decisions on a different day? i'm saying the best thing i just nothing. is that the chance i think that the prosecutor knew exactly what he was doing and i'm trying to ask you what, why do you think he did what he did today by grouping them together? i don't know. but if you put yourself in his position, and he looks at the evidence in the, around all of it favorable on favorable thomas israel. so he says his team to us and his team come back and say, well, here's the evidence that looks like. is this, these 2 and these 3 again assume there's enough evidence of them to cover me. they

have the review and then they have a discussion with their independent panel of experts. and they come to the conclusion that this 3 and this 2 should be indicted. it would be a bit of political window dressing and of the worst kind to choose to go for one 1st and the all the 2nd. and which one should go 1st. i am afraid that that part of your question, by all means got an optimist because if he wants to, i'll see you. i don't know whether he will, but i'll ask him, well, why did you not do it on different days and see what he sense? what well, i can't ask him tonight, but i'm glad that i have you to ask another brilliant legal mind mister jeffrey. nice to always get talking with you. we appreciate your time and your analysis tonight. thank you. you're welcome. well, my next guest has made a name for himself on both sides of the atlantic. for his writings on the crisis of modern democracy is the author of several books, including the great experiment, why diverse democracies fall apart and how they can endure. in his latest book,

the identity trap a story of ideas and power in our time. he's also a professor at johns hopkins universities and school of advanced international studies. i'm happy to welcome back to the program tonight, political sciences, yasha. my gosh, it's good to see you. again, before we, we get into the weeds here of, of the street approaches. i'd like to get your reaction to the news today that the prosecutor, the i c. c has applied for arrest warrants for these rarely prime minister. and these really defense minister as well as the home awesome leaders. what did you think when you heard the news? so to be say, i'm not an expert in international law. it's hard for me to judge, to what extent visits in keeping with precedent at the i c. c. i'm suddenly, if the quote can prove that benjamin netanyahu has committed will crimes when he should be prosecuted and punished for those i do worry about the implied

equivalence between uh hum us towers to organization which style to the county will with its murder of school itself. is about 80 civilians and the state of israel more broadly. and i do wonder about the extent to which was proportionate with precedent in the i c. c. for example of, to my best understanding the i see did not try to prosecute a beside us side. but read off syria who is responsible for terrible crimes during the civil war there up. it certainly is the quote can prove that is the ship was somehow completed and will crimes. um, but it would be appropriate for them to be prosecuted for us. yeah, sure. just one more question about that, about this, is this the appearance of a false equivalency do you get the sense that on your side of the atlanta that when you look at the situation in gaza that americans need more quickly come to

the conclusion that this is false equivalency that we're seeing compared to what people may be seeing here in europe. do you think there is a of a bifurcation at all? they're there in how people see things. yes, i mean, i think that's probably spinning. united states remains more friendly to israel than it does in most european countries. um, we have seen good, simple sympathy for the us have been suffering and gaza for very good reason in the west as well as in europe. but that, according to opinion, pause, most americans sympathize with both sides. um, big ones that choose itself as that forced to choose which is i think it's like a strange thing, but pulses tried to do they sympathize movies right inside the posting inside. i haven't followed the opinion polls in europe as closely, but i would imagine, but in many countries that would be different. all right, that's a standby. we're going to switch gears now and talk about the october 7th and last

year attack. it triggered israel's declaration of war against a moss. and since been more than a 1000000, tell us the indians in gauze that had been forced from their homes tens of thousands have reported the died. the un says many more are facing fam, and it is this humanitarian crisis in gauze of not the hum us attack on israel, the head spawn, and student protests on campuses here in europe and in the united states. there were dramatic scenes at columbia university in new york where students occupied and barricaded themselves and hamilton hall, demanding that the university divest itself from all is really businesses. and last week approach has erupt it again in los angeles at u. c. l la police were called in to restore order hold shows some public support for the students, but majorities in the us do not approve of what these protests have more into students turned active is made possible by the ivory tower. is that what

is happening? josh? and it's, i mean, how is it happen? what i mean is, you know, students of boys being politically active as nothing completes the news about that is also on this time of the particularly students who may be our up in our general, maybe muslim, feel a particular kind of kinship to those who are suffering cause that's the moment i think what's been striking full about these protests. it is, but the rhetoric and the extent of support among parts of the academic left them on people, most of whom do not have personal stakes in the conflict in the middle east and who have justified their rhetoric in tom's, but rather different. i'm costing it as a form of dis sectional struggle in which. so the key is for palestine and really imply that as a natural connection between discrimination, that's extra minorities might explode some united states and what's going on in the

middle east today. sometimes the rhetoric, which basically tries to assimilate as well, into a sort of wide colonizing state that is a, you know, suppressing the people of color. and that would really seeing the application office such as basic logical categories, but as a cool off, a new set of ideas about identity, but has become very influential on the american left and the international left over the last 2 years to this very complicated conflict in the middle east in ways that i think the overly simplistic and ultimately concealed more than the reveal about the events that do you think the university students are being educated. we hear from some members of society that they're being indoctrinated to. to see the world in a very binary way of groups being either the oppressed or the oppressed words and it, we get that example with these railings versus the palestinians to yes,

i think that is a strong strain of his audiologist present in universities, but often is reinforced by administrator, is it american universities by a growing a bureaucracy that has come to play a much larger role in the life of students as well? and so that is at least the segment of the fact that i make some students but looked at the events of up to the 7th, even before b is a response and said, you know, this is very simple. this is a question of invites, was that people of color of colonizers versus the colonized. and you know, in the sense all forms of racism, a structural since they have nothing to do with the contents of people x roles believes it means that a b or pressed a justified in any form of resistance including biden's existence, including resistance, but involves to deliberate targeting and murder off of siblings. yes, you,

you write an article that appeared in the spectator magazine early this month, and titled, how universities raised a generation of activists and you right, that universities should publicly commit themselves to upholding both free speech and public order. but it's probably too late for principal to save them from their current troubles. for now, they are condemned to look like hypocrites, whatever they do, because due to the failures of the past few years, they are what have been their big mistakes in the past is set up in order to uphold fees, beach you need to uphold to cool principles. the 1st is that people need to be free to say what they want and wish even that is controversial, even though that involves some of the statements of purpose. thing in protest is quoting for global in default of it, i post defined to be deeply upsetting. at the same time, a few speeches voice entailed restrictions on the place,

time and some of expressing those views. you're not entitled to occupy buildings in the university because you happen to dislike the policies of the university. you're not entitled to a shout down and speak us was top of the economic events from going on because we disagree with them politically. that isn't part of free speech, but it's giving you the right to restrict with the speech of us. now, unfortunately, american universities have failed on both of those things for the last 10 to 20 years despite the defense. so that will kind of political speech when it was offensive to various minority groups. and they have tolerated things by attempting compliments. didn't alter that wall street or at habit, for example, that the university presents office was occupied for weeks on end of an issue involved in labor at the university. and so i understand to students who since october 7th said, why is it? but every micro aggression is met by a biased response team, and sometimes by very severe sanctions against students the we have to tolerate.

people find, you know, quoting for global into products. and i also understand purpose thinking, demonstrate, as we said, you know, you have the norm, you introduced for many decades, but you never call the police. but now in this conflict, you're calling the police universities have failed to the doctor. both of those types of free speech principles. and so now they can't for that on them without looking like hypocrites. yeah, exactly. it is, is like parents who have never been disciplinary and suddenly trying to ground their children when they're their children are teenagers, i guess. and i want to think about one thing before we run out of time, and that is as somebody university professor is saying that what we're seeing in 2024 is the logical legacy of what we saw in the 19 sixty's student approach us. i'm do you, do you really see that? i mean, i know you point out that in 1968 after the riots we saw in the country that summer, richard nixon went onto the feat, hubert humphrey,

by promising law and order. and i want to ask you, are you handling that job buys maybe the 2024 version of hubert humphrey. i think that risk trucking the exist um this contract has a split for democratic based much more than the republican base. and of course, it makes it easier for donald trump to, to make the argument, but it's a countries i'm out of control with them, but it takes somebody like him to restore order. and so i do worry, but just us the protest in 1968 to a p, a according to strong research and broke of science. but people like all know why so, and others to have helped richard nixon when the election back november, the same fate made before the united states. when donald trump is again up on the ballot in a few months. yeah, well if, if that happens, we definitely will invite you to come back in and talk about the repercussions of

the election in november. yeah, sure. long, we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight. thank you. thank you so much. the runs of president abraham or i you see has been killed in a helicopter crash run state tv says that the president is for administer, and other government officials died when their chopper crashed in a remote region near the board of advisor by john iran supreme leader has appointed an interim president. he must hold elections within the next 50 days. he's also ordered 5 days of official morning. the search teams scale at the for the mountains and northwest in a run for hours or some dave in my hand, eventually locating the crashed helicopter and finding no sign of survive as well as the risk. it was pulled bodies from the wreckage,

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a deeply conservative and hard line leader. a t o the so a brutal crack down on a rainy and protesters. in recent years, rosie was seen as a potential success to the supreme leader. i a total of from e mail. and she is his strategy of supporting proxy forces across the middle east. i a total of how many has declared 5 days of public morning and said the vice president mohammed must bear, would act as president knew elections must be held within 50 days. ron's cabinet has held an emergency meeting, assuming they would be no problem with the management of the country. and vowing to follow right. of the day is almost done. the conversation continues on line and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day. we'll see

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