nato and democratic russia in the future , if we are lucky one day, if we are lucky, if it is at all possible, well, you understand that if russia becomes a country, even if it is not democratic, such as turkey, where, as our guest said, the prospective president who does not know for sure that he is not fighting, but that he is engaged in economic and political expansion there, let it be, well , yeltsin's times, huh. this is a guarantee that we live peacefully. how many states there will be in this territory, one or 40 - is another story, but even one, but adequate, better than 40 inadequate ones, you see , because it is not easier for anyone if you are fired upon by the kuban kazakh republic or whatever they call themselves there, or the russian federation, a bomb is a bomb and a missile is a missile, you see, if there is a nuclear weapon at the disposal of someone . russia, it is also a nuclear weapon,

it does not cease to be a nuclear weapon because russia does not control the caucasus, so i say that the road must be taken from the point of view of adequacy, that is what the modern problem is, that there are no even hints of it is not, to building some kind of normal russian statehood, but again, taking into account the experience of previous years and centuries. these , as you know, do not change for ten years, then they change in one day, and i believe that we should also prepare for this, because i am not worried if something changes in russia in one day, so that our compatriots do not all the flowers on all the flower beds and did not run to kiss, hug, oh, what happiness, no, what happiness, thank you for confessing, oh, we can speak in this language, oh, my grandmother loved. tyucheva, no

you need it, ugh, forget about babushka, protsyucheva and think about how you can join nato at the moment when they are not against it, and let them be offended and say, how come, we are so good now, let's unite, no, i'm very glad that you are good, unite with china, and we left, there is also such an idea to unite with china, let them, let them unite with china, no, well, yes, but doesn't it matter , these are their problems. i say once again, if we join nato and the european union, we have a real life, then what do they do, they can just become china, this is their problem, we will keep tyuchchev's poems in the ukrainian translation, and let them read it in chinese, it's their choice, ugh, 55% turnout according to the results of the second day, reports the russian tsik, what enthusiasm, yes, but quite an interesting opinion was heard today. from

one of the interlocutors, that putin is actually madly interested in a high turnout, because the result of the elections is already clear to everyone, but conditionally speaking, so that there are no questions about the legitimacy and legality of these elections, it is necessary to show that people are going, people are leaving, and yulia navalna is here with your appeal, come at 12 o'clock, anyway for anyone but putin, but come, well, and many similar things in general. is putin really interested and is already thinking about options, how about these elections in general, so that someone will recognize him in the world, that he will be recognized as the president. i don't see any reason why it should not be recognized. even the fact that the number of territories he captured in ukraine has increased significantly. of course, no one will recognize the elections in these territories, as no one recognized in crimea. so. regarding non-recognition putin, there is a problem here. so you don't recognize him. as? then all this works, ugh,

negotiations, direct communication between the ministries of defense and the general staffs, you see, from time to time the head of the central intelligence department and the director of the foreign intelligence service meet, from time to time the chief of the general staff and the head of the of the joint chiefs of staff of the united states, what happens when there is this direct line in the event of a nuclear emergency, if you believe that ... power in russia has been usurped as will you talk to them? well, that's the problem, the problem is not that they are legitimate or illegitimate? the problem is the need to maintain contact with such a state. here's a look at how it happened before the 70s with china. the united states had no contact with the government in beijing, considered them usurpers, had contact with the government in taipei, well, that could not last forever. so it was with the soviet one. union believed that this

was an illegal government, a government of usurpers, well, only in the 1930s they decided to establish diplomatic relations, the first american the president who established diplomatic relations with... the union was generally a franklin-dissolution, it was already the 1930s, and the bolsheviks came to power in 1917, as you remember, but what was the problem: the united states believed that there must be some government that will pay off the debts of the russian empire, ugh, and the bolsheviks said, i'm sorry, and that's a very good wish of yours, but you don't know how we can pay you anything when you think we don't government, we will pay you from whom, on whose behalf? money, we are usurpers, you do not have with us diplomatic mutuality, you do not negotiate with us, not you, what should we send money to the mail, beloved american aunt, aunt, well, here is the united states, hoping for this money, the great depression began, ugh, and

every dollar was in the account, nothing they did not pay them much, as you understand, they decided that they would establish diplomatic relations, well, this is such a mechanization, although they did not think that this government was legitimate. they just wanted to have contact, and with putin, i think that in principle nothing would have happened, it would not have happened bad, if they did not recognize it as legitimate, but then the question arises, why now, and not before, one can think that the previous elections were more legitimate than this one, a larger number of territories, well, the largest number of territories can not recognize it as legitimate, logical, which and it was not recognized that way in crimea, just then. you know, the idea of ​​world democracy is that elections should be democratic, should take place according to certain rules, should, well, all this should have a certain form in order for it to be possible at all to talk about something for a state the legitimacy of the government is not always related to democracy, the united

states has good relations with states that have never known what democracy is, it is a question of the legitimacy of the government, you can not recognize a certain government that came to power by. .. the coup and the deprivation of the mandate of the government that received the people's mandate, the russian federation has not recognized the ukrainian governments since 2014, as is known, and they say that the ukrainians did not hold elections, it was a coup d'état, but here is another interesting thing, that they sometimes recognize, sometimes they don't, ugh, they said, it's the junta, remember 14 years, it's the junta, they came to power through a state transfer, it's an illegal president, they don't recognize the elections. "when putin came to the meeting in normandy, he did not want to meet with poroshenko, because he believed that he was an illegitimate president, then he walked, walked, seriously, you remember how it all turned out, he saw that everyone with poroshenko communicate, merkel, hollande, all the world

leaders, and somehow he looks strange, and he started these contacts because he decided that he will then declare it legitimate for a certain time, then again the junta is not easy." this can be played like this with african countries, not only there the united states, but other countries, do not talk, then suddenly they talk, remember when the government of the syrian opposition bashar al-assad was recognized as legitimate , no, and now everyone is returning, some are returning, not all, many are returning to damascus, because bashar al-assad really controls syria, you need to talk to him, the issue of real control is him, and his elections, i'm sorry, very much like an election putin, and

a huge number of such examples can be given, but elections in a territory that is not obvious from the point of view of international law. may not be recognized even in the most democratic country, uh, and control may not be recognized even in the most democratic country, so there are no embassies in jerusalem, except for the united states, other countries, they are in tel aviv, because the status of jerusalem is not fully settled , but there are absolutely transparent democratic elections and local elections are transparent, but also... when local elections are held in jerusalem, the residents of east jerusalem do not always participate, because they do not believe that they should participate in israeli, even local elections, but now in the local elections in jerusalem, a change is beginning there, because arabs are running there candidates who say: listen, let's go

, it's not legitimate or illegitimate that we can't solve the sewage issue for 20 years, and that 's also a problem to some extent, well, here's how to act in such a situation on an equal footing.. self-government, when the territory is not settled, so in this regard there are a million different things in the international plan, it's just that everything is transparent with putin, this is a territory that has just been conquered. well, yes, there is an occupation regime there, when it holds elections or referendums there, it looks comical, everyone understands it, eh, let's, if we have already come to the point, let's still take a look at the middle east at what is happening directly in israel, as for me, joseph biden's thesis was very sharp , regarding mr. netanyahu, his approach to war can harm israel, yes. that is, even with doubts are already coming from the mouth of the american president about the sharpness of the military

tactics that were chosen in relation to the gaza sector, or rather the terrorist hamas, which paid off there as it should, as you now see the development of this situation in general, look, president biden is in a very difficult situation, electorally, ugh, because a large number of democrat party voters. it really considers this policy of israel to be excessive from the point of view of operations in the gas sector, and they believe that president biden's support for israel in this the situation seems archaic, and these people are protesting, even during the primaries they are protesting, and biden understands that this may hurt him to some extent in the presidential election, as it is not known, because these people are definitely not going to vote for... trump, uh, because they will realize that trump will deeply care about all these opinions of theirs, but they may

not go to vote for biden, they may just not go to vote, to think that both candidates are the same on this issue , and biden has to prove it does not apply to israel at all, which is not the same, ugh, and that is why he talks about humanitarian aid to gaza, but today, when he speaks: about aid to ukraine, about aid to israel and of course about humanitarian aid to gaza, building a pier there, that is all not will solve the problems, but it will at least demonstrate his interest in the humanitarian problems of gaza. israel lives its own political life, prime minister netanyahu is absolutely not interested in who is elected president of the united states, moreover, he does not absolutely do not want to be elected. ugh, to him biden is absolutely unnecessary, he will absolutely not mind if his turn is trump, so no one will bother him, he

will calmly finish this operation, drive hamas out of gaza and that will be the end of the story, it seems that they do not care as much as we care the question of aid, they care about the question of aid, it is more difficult for them to fight, but i am simply telling you that biden is not a soy, netanyahu is not an ally of biden, only biden, it is one, you see that even the leader of the democratic majority in the senate. chakumer says israel needs new ones elections, because this government will not listen to us and it may cost us a victory in the elections, or a victory for the democratic congressmen not in the elections. ugh. this is absolutely electoral history. on the other hand, there is another problem here, that when the democrats say that about gas, they can lose the traditional. electorate, because american jews vote for democracy, it's the nuclear electorate of the democrats,

and i've already read texts from the american media, they say that they're watching fox news more and more because they think that all these the democratic media, the bill democrats there cnn and so on, they just don't give an adequate picture of the middle east from the point of view of these people, and this may be an additional republican electorate, and that's why they are confused, this is not a story about the middle east, in the middle east there is an anti-terrorist operation, huh. and the goal of this anti-terrorist operation should be the destruction of the terrorist group hamas. of course, there are serious problems for civilians in the gas sector. the civilian population of the russian federation also has problems when we strike belgorod, whether we go to graivoronskyi district, we want to go to some village there, these are serious problems of the civilian population. by the way, this is a civilian population, unlike the gas sector. they may be ethnic ukrainians, because they live there, you see, there are two of them. the village on the border is tiotkina, this village is ethnically

ukrainian, opposite the village on the territory of ukraine, ethnic russians live there, that’s how it happened, that’s how the borders look, and those ethnic russians who live on the territory of ukraine want to be with these ethnic ukrainians who live on the territory of russia, something was done by the rkd, well, we, no one, we will not tell our citizens, you know, you are some kind of animals, you behave like animals, you do not feel sorry for the people who are suffering now. under fire in belgorod, because they will say that these people will stop the war, we didn't start it, huh, what is different from the point of view of the civilian population of the gas sector, civilians, 90% of whom it supports... hamas keeps in its families these hostages, helps terrorists, of course i feel sorry for any child, any woman, any civilian who dies, but it is such situation, if you conduct an anti-terrorist operation, the civilian population is used by terrorists as a shield and becomes an unwitting victim

of this whole disaster, if you want terrorism to continue, you can stop listening to the international community, europeans and america. have a new raid, if you want to ensure safety, you spit nonsense on absolutely everyone and finish this thing. from netanyahu's point of view. i'm just giving you a position. because netanyahu understands that if he doesn't, he will lose power. he can lose her anyway. but in he has a chance if he completes this task, if he doesn't what's left of him, and so they maneuver. the americans are talking to the opposition leaders who are now. netanyahu's cabinet with benny hans, byeni hans went to washington, uh, met with kamala hadis, the vice president of the united states, without informing the prime minister, can you imagine, he is part of the cabinet , uh, well, imagine himself, if we had it so that we would allow it, let's say

prime minister shmyhal would go to paris or to... uh, washington without being informed about zelenskyi, and there were some conversations of his own, it’s impossible, but these are the political realities in the middle east, others, why the americans talk with benigans, because they need to show that there are other political forces in israel that are ready for a more cautious approach, but none of these people who are talking to them are also going to finish any operation, and that is why it is such a tedious process of changes, coordination. it is not clear why every day, they continue negotiations, everyone hoped that there would be a truce for ramadan, his, on unfortunately, it didn't happen, but the negotiations don't end for a day, well, they go on all the time, and some of them, maybe,

we don't know about some of them, well, at least some of them , of course, but the fact that they are happening in qatar, that they are happening, the mediators of saudi arabia say that the arab world does not want a confrontation with israel, huh, but wants a truce and the end of the war, and this is also a very important moment, a few more words, in the iranians, of course , deny it, but information appeared in zmi that secret talks could take place between this country and the united states, despite all the rather sharp assessments of each other, well, we have actually followed similar stories, now the trick. attention, i'll just remind you, the red sea is just a crazy economic zone in terms of intensity, and it would be good if the yemeni houthis would still withdraw from the practice of shelling the red sea, the us is trying to achieve this, allegedly in negotiations with the iranians, who actually control this is terrorist, and also as

some kind of strange victory, that is, they seem to be happening, some advisers. biden in oman, to our beloved oman, they talked to the deputy minister of foreign affairs of iran , and no one knew about it, that is , incredible things happen in one way or another in the world, incredible things, you see what politics looks like, we live here all the time in oman, in that time, how real secret negotiations are taking place in oman, not a story created by us, which we will learn about only after the government in ukraine changes, i think that after that we... know what really happened in oman, there something was happening, obviously, well, but we now know how it can be in oman, not in qatar, not in qatar, and don't forget that this meeting in oman was in january, and now it's march. now imagine what you and i

know about the political process. we will learn in 2024 that there were intensive consultations. regarding the use of russia's nuclear weapons, yes, when everyone convinced us, no, no, it's all fiction, it's all delusion, it 's all propaganda, no one seriously discusses it, at that time serious adult uncles held meetings about what to do, if this the nuke will actually be dropped because they had intelligence on the table, two years have passed, we are discussing it as political fact, now it's march 2024, we 're saying what happened in january 2020 as if it's news, it used to be it was once 100 years ago, when i was in march, someone found out that somewhere the emperor of one country had a secret meeting with the emperor of another, until the telegraph agency reported it... but somehow we don't get the main news, so some of

the news, to be honest, well maybe not we receive, or we receive in a cut format, especially when it concerns real armed assistance for us there from partners, a few words just from you, mr. vitaliy, scholz, macron, so dumb... china and france, the front-line workers, you know, such in europe, very important players, in general, what is happening between the leaders of these countries and whether, let's say, they are now engaged in pulling the ukrainian blanket, each on himself, in efforts to prove that each of them helps more, what is happening, in principle, always happens in electoral environment, there is a struggle for leadership. that is, germany is the absolute leader in helping ukraine in europe, but macron is trying to be a leader in terms of intent and, if you will, spirit, zeitgeist,

which scholz is absolutely not ready to do, that is, macron starts talking to putin in putin's language, hard, moving red lines, saying that there are no red lines, we heard this before only from putin. scholz tries to act for... not so much as a politician, but as an accountant, and therefore becomes weaker than macron. of course, if angela merkel were at the head of the german government now, macron would not do any of this, because merkel would be in her role as the leader of the situation, how she would do it, i don't know, but i am absolutely sure that she would monetize germany's aid to ukraine, uh, well, in political intentions, statements and her weight, and what? doesn't want to do it, and why isn't he interested in it, or is he just not good at it, i think he's not interested in it, because he thinks that if he behaves like this, it creates

unnecessary confrontation, escalation, he does not want escalation, he is ready to help, but does not want escalation with russia, he merkel is also not like a woman who dreamed of this escalation, but she always dreamed about leadership, yes, if you remember, merkel was the leader in the minsk process, not hollande or macron, that's true, yes. and merkel talked to putin the way she wanted to talk, but now merkel's legacy, in her efforts to keep putin from war , looks contradictory, but we say no about this, and by the way, do you remember this story i told about putin, which i told william beres that if, since merkel is not there, there is no leader in europe and these are also conditions for what i can to conquer ukraine, so putin realized the weight and influence of merkel, more than many of them. but we are not talking about that right now, just about this effort by macron to show that he is a leader, it is reflected in public statements, these public statements create a certain background in

france itself, force other politicians to to catch up, and that is why marine le pen comes to the podium of the national assembly and says that russia is an aggressor, which, you know, was hard to imagine even a month ago, so everyone understands that they have to work out this agenda if they do not... want to lose to macron , especially before the european parliament elections, that 's the number one thing, the number two thing is that they have to do all this because they're actually doing a dress rehearsal of what they're going to do before the united states presidential election, uh, because if if the united states leaves europe, then there will be a completely different configuration of forces and efforts, i keep saying that it is not necessary... to assume that this may not happen at all. the world role of the united states has not been that many years. it all started after world war ii, not until

after world war i, after world war i, the united states gave up its world role, it could have had one, but most americans felt it was not necessary. this legacy of president woodrow wilson was simply denied. and no one said that the inheritance will not be denied. presidents after the second world war , because trump is about a different legacy, this is a return to the traditional policy of isolationism, and this return did not begin under trump, but under the lobolov laureate barack obama, uh, it was barack obama who came up with the policy of isolationism, we are not going anywhere we intervene, he was forced against his own will, because it does not happen like that. but he had already set the tone, which was in grotesque form, then repeated by donald trump, so that by and large the real heir to

barack obama is donald trump and not. rather the heirs of this post-war political line of the role of america, that is, there is the america of reagan, bush, biden, clinton, i don’t know, this is america from roosevelt and truman , relatively speaking, to biden, through bush jr., so to speak, and there is obama’s america and trump. left-wing america and right-wing america, but very similar isolationist america, just like before world war ii, both democrats and republicans, both parties were absolutely isolationist, they didn't disagree on that. relatively speaking, political the program of isocyanism of obama and the political program of isocyanism of trump are not very different from each other. well, trump is just putting an emphasis on migrants that obama didn't. but, if we do not interfere, it is both.

they are the same, they are political twins, and this must also be understood, and this means that if people as different as donald trump and barack obama follow the same religion while hating each other, it means that the problems that, what is it, that the world has problems, that america's isolationism is not an accident, it is not some, you know, anomaly associated with trump, this is a serious political movement that can win, and then. definitely , europe will be left alone with russia and china, well, unless china attacks some zone of american interests and forces america to return to life again in a bloody way, and we need to prepare for this, i think, because it will be a serious test, i think , that in this case, russia has every opportunity to increase its chances for, if not

war, then at least political... control in europe, because the europeans can react to this situation differently than we think, they may be scared, not politicians, ordinary people, will look for those politicians who will negotiate with moscow, if we are not protected by washington, there must be someone who will negotiate with moscow, marine lippen, alternative for of germany, sara wagehnet , geert wilders, matteo salvini, viktor orbán , the polish confederation, robert fizo, the party, as it was called there, revival, i do not want such a european union, but i, to you, i simply name the forces that there already are and some are already in power, yes, but some, but we we are talking about a trend that is gaining momentum, but that you do not want a union in ukraine , exactly the same political forces will be in power, which will

have seven. 73% of voters, and these forces will consider zelensky the leader of the war party. ugh, well , these are not fleeting processes, and it is necessary to understand the consequences that may occur if america comes to isolationism. these are real possibilities. this is not political fiction, it is just one option, another option may be that this trend will not win. i sincerely hope so. however as you know, i cannot give guarantees, all of them must be considered. which america do we love or obama and trump? huber ugh, the america we don't know, thank you, thank you, it's a little scary, to be honest,

but the next one... we will meet again and talk about the main events of the coming week again. vitaly portnikov, khrystyna yatskiv and the saturday political club. i greet the viewers of the tv channel in the studio. iryna koval, for your attention the final news release. and i will start with the situation at the front. the enemy continues to storm the positions of our military in the donetsk and zaporizhzhia regions, in particular in the settlements of terna, berdychi, tonenko, ivanovske, verbove and robotyne. at the same time , the russian occupiers are concentrating on the avdiyiv and marin directions and have been trying to break through the defense of the armed forces of ukraine for several days in a row.